mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well what, ancient history now ?
mp_en_viaje: possibru problem is not php but the plugin
mp_en_viaje: it's a script processor, wtf other way is there ? not like it compiles anything
mp_en_viaje: you have this very ineffectual approach to things where you'll try either a very high level thing from first principles (usually, as applied to some extand software) or else a handwritten-on-knee minimalist thing. there's space in between these two, you know.
mp_en_viaje: ok, so don't use that. just because random plugin was written by tard doesn't invalidate either php as a ... text processor, nor wp plugins as an extension framerowkr for mp-wp
mp_en_viaje: no but listen : php chiefly exists for the task of "you know what? take every sentence in this text file and put <tag> around punctuation marks". that's what it was made for, substitute strings in strings, pretty much.
mp_en_viaje: obviously maniacs abound, the "'single-char nonalphabetics' are 'symbols' and treated specially. and hardbaked a dependence on delimeters (i.e. whitespace) in the semantics. and fuckknows whatelse." parts sound SO FUCKING FAMILIAR
mp_en_viaje: lotta c written like that, too. and everything else.
mp_en_viaje: it seems to me one ~should not~ write another kind in php.
mp_en_viaje: just like javascript isn't there for "here's an implementation of linux kernel in js", just so php is not there for "here's my recursive elegance" or w/e.
mp_en_viaje: but it seems to me your problem is eminently a php task ? "colorize" neh ?
mp_en_viaje: sounds like terrible implementation, it shouldn't ever throw unclosed tags in an ycase.
mp_en_viaje: you could just fix that thing, from description it's also broken for ada ?
mp_en_viaje: the ultimate problem with debugging -- allows people to exam-take their code design, "oh, doesn't work on anything we've not spent year+ debnugging"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, ok, this makes zero fucking sense. item is supposed to use ~css containers~ ; it's not possible to have open html tags therefore at all.
mp_en_viaje: well, using software w/o reading docs is iffy. but anyway.
mp_en_viaje: "The <pre> header is the default. If you’re familiar with HTML you’ll know that whitespace is rendered “as is” by a <pre> element. The advantage for you is that if you use <pre> the whitespace you use will appear pretty much exactly how it is in the source, and what’s more GeSHi won’t have to add a whole lot of <br />’s and non-breaking spaces ( ) to your code to indent it. This saves you source code (and your valuable visitors w
mp_en_viaje: But if you don’t like <pre> or it looks stupid in your browser no matter what styles you try to apply to it or something similar, you might want to use a <div> instead. A <div> will result in more source - GeSHi will have to insert whitespace markup - but in return you can wrap long lines of code that would otherwise have your browser’s horizontal scrollbar appear. Of course with <div> you can not wrap lines if you please. The highlighter demo
mp_en_viaje: at the GeSHi home page uses the <div> approach for this reason."
mp_en_viaje: seems quite evident what they did -- div mode for sanity and pre mode for "whitespace is magic character nao".
mp_en_viaje: anyway -- in fairness the "space is magic char" thing very much comes from html spec itself.
mp_en_viaje: maybe not the written "one" (as fucking if), but defo the factual one as emerged in practice.
mp_en_viaje: so i'm sorta toying with the idea of starting a (romanian) political party.
mp_en_viaje: anyone think this is a fucking stupid notion ?
mp_en_viaje: (item also needs 3 founding members. diana_coman spyked you feel like being founding members ?)
a111: Logged on 2013-11-13 02:09 nubbins`: given that i'm really just here to mess with the signal-to-noise ratio, i'd like to see the latter
mp_en_viaje: retrospectively i'm guessing it must've been ?
mp_en_viaje: ah, that was an attempt to help out a pre-existing item. (in fairness, romania hasn't had any ideas in 2-3 decades ; as it happens historically the iron guard was ~100% of the romanian modern culture, certainly in the 20th century)
mp_en_viaje: this would be an entirely new thing, reflect tmsr ideology, also help it develop/test out.
mp_en_viaje: in no particular order, militate for the restriction of the franchise, the introduction of the census vote (whereby property counts electorally), amending the constitution to male it illegal for state to own anything or be involved in economy, lower age of sexual consent to 12 and systematically introduce young women to the concept of the sexual market and why it's very fucking stupid to [
http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selecti ☟︎ mp_en_viaje: on-407.0-423.497][traditional stupidity], raise awareness among kids as to the losing idiocy of relationships within their age group, familiarize public with domestic and sexual slavery, promote the harem as the correct alternative to "traditional marriage" nonsense, on it goes.
mp_en_viaje: there's a bunch more re quashing the "aspirational" culture and the fraudulent practice of accomodating people's WoWoW pretense / being stars of their own film through the process of future promises, and on it goes.
mp_en_viaje: a yeah, deny driver licenses to any who aren;t either professional drivers or in a liberal profession. and especially to "it experts", actresses/singers/newswomen etcetera.
mp_en_viaje: end pensions as a concept, remove personal bankruptcy (replace with prison term), restrict corporations to corporation sole, no more aggregate...
spyked needs to grok this for a bit. otoh, finds the experiment worthwhile, but a. has 0 exp with politics (other than following to some degree the local affairs) and b. doesn't know how would the battle on two fronts (i.e. the social-democrats and the xtian socialists) would work strategically
mp_en_viaje: how would any of these groups manage to give battle ?
spyked: at the very least teh psds are specialized in drawing votes from the general populace. as for xtians, that's (in my very limited experience) where most people who are not completely retarded lie, and they'll cling to that. but that's only as far as I know (which ain't much)
mp_en_viaje: spyked, yeah, but the interest's not in getting votes.
☟︎ spyked: other than that, mentioning census vote and slavery to folx around me seems to lead to the usual humanrights/etc. reaction. their brains dun seem to go any further than that particular pattern match
mp_en_viaje: well, mentioning astronomy to folk in the 1890s led to spitting self.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, whole fuckin thing's an exercise in unwinding, uprooting and destroying automatisms, "slavery => human rights" is not substantially different from "party -> votes" or "party name => democratic" or "party programme => we'd like all to be well" etc.
mp_en_viaje: if anything, the postmodern problem's the overabundance of automatisms.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: as a sort of tmsr.ro ? or what would the difference be exactly as I don't quite grok in what way a "political party" is not already included in tmsr as it were
mp_en_viaje: well, it;s not already included in any practical sense (as it doesn't exist). obv its included in all ideal senses, yes.
mp_en_viaje: when i go back to cr, why not just leave the mp residence in yurp so others can enjoy a visit/stay ?
mp_en_viaje: all sorts and manner of practical considerations like these.
diana_coman: ah, you mean as a sort of practical irl item
mp_en_viaje: well, the same math that yielded "tmsr should get a church registered in the us", that then danielpbarron judged "these ppl are too dorky to bother for, i'd much rather work with some ok rurals" yields party in yurp.
mp_en_viaje: cuz it's not the same atmosphere, yes, there's no great advantages to eurochurch.
mp_en_viaje: but in any case, a seat in europarliament seems to me within conceivable achievement, esp if alliance.
☟︎ diana_coman: well, the way I see it, europarliament like everything else will soon be for everyone, they might even drag you in or something
diana_coman: I mean: for the lulz,sure; other than that though, wtf would I want to be there.
mp_en_viaje: and other than that, the formal criterion ~reduces to "having candidate in 3 circumscriptions" or somesuch. which whatever, you get somebody to run for communal council @ancestral home
diana_coman: yes, but I'm still trying to grok if it's ...worth it; lol, my problems.
mp_en_viaje: well how the fuck could this be established afore the fact.
diana_coman: myeah; onth if one does *everything* that is cheap because it's cheap...
mp_en_viaje: seems to me groking pre-trying whether it'll be worth it likely will cost more than the trial.
mp_en_viaje: yet at the end of the day, the day's spent anyway. not like you can save time.
mp_en_viaje: anyways, i'm not pushing for an insta-answer or anything ; but my thinking is if you both are interested an' nobody comes up with some major unseen flaw, ima draw a draft statute/documents w/e an' talk to my lawyer about it.
☟︎ diana_coman: no; you can however spend it on something else and I somehow never manage to run out of "something else"; but yes, I can see the idea; I don't know about who is there to do all the work and get it all growing
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: but conversely : if there is someone we'll be none the sorrier for it. and if there isn't... what exactly do i have to regret re
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911779 thing ? that i spent a few grand on getting that party the only headquarters it eve rhad ? or what, some booze some kids drank off me ?
☝︎ mp_en_viaje: i'm not even sure i could ever get to writing down a list so complete as to have that sorta nothing figure on its own merits on it.
mp_en_viaje: timewise... what, took maybe 8 hours of my time in 3-4 installments, i dun even recall.
diana_coman: heh, I'm probably too much used to ground-up building work i.e. if starting that then will have to get it off the ground with own hands if need be; hence -> time.
mp_en_viaje: this doesn't seem a small thing for me, that if "mp, radu gyr, mircea eliade etc go into a bar... and mp comes up uber alles".
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, the idea is for it to be fun ; and it's fun when it's this thing of excellence, "what's the absolute best that could be done here".
diana_coman: reading it now, I seriously doubt the dorks in question knew all the words in there
mp_en_viaje: automatisms, right ? they just wanted it to be good, and to no tbe disturbed.
mp_en_viaje: romanians are fucking hysterical too, you aware they all dress alike ? there's this unviersal cvasi-goretex thing they ALL MUST WEAR
diana_coman: well, one uniform or another; being about as "right" as choosing that uniform over the other
diana_coman: and I'm quite sure it also ignores them down the line anyway i.e. whatever you tick or not tick, it still does the same thing
mp_en_viaje: yes, factually it just goes away on reload.
mp_en_viaje: apparently lotta manic murder in ro, some rando dude stabbed his wife and two kids over easter "because at such times some elect must die"
diana_coman: funny how the elect are ~always those unlikely to have much chance fighting back
mp_en_viaje: apparently weirdo talked to the poor elects till they died.
mp_en_viaje: imagine this fucking horror, some dork stabs you in your sleep and then it's like "here, let me tell you what i think about chick-fill-a"
diana_coman: I had to switch to another machine to load that bzi stuff; that photo is basically "happy trio with various caps and beretts"
mp_en_viaje: apparently dood went bankrupt, ran off to miami, came back sovereign citizen living with wife, mom and grandmother.
diana_coman: well, hard to believe she hadn't previous training ignoring his bla bla so ..
mp_en_viaje: the harem term being 'shwarmy", because there's an army of these shawn dudes.
diana_coman: "a aderat la un cult si din aceasta cauza a devenit de nerecunoscut"
mp_en_viaje: oh, in other lulz : soros aids vice media to the tune of quarter bn.
mp_en_viaje: apparenty this huffpo not ready to huff po just yet.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 22:53 mircea_popescu: you mean the idle schmuck that had a topless wife for an occasion once and they all threw a ridoinculous fit ?
diana_coman: I don't think there is much that in there; different sorts of ridoinculous as far as I can see i.e. the schmuck that found himself with money vs the schmucks that found themselves "writing a newspaper".
mp_en_viaje: yeah, neither's very good at what they do, huh.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other topics, "O fată în vârstă de 13 ani, din comuna Negomir, judeţul Gorj, este însărcinată în cinci luni, după ce ar fi întreţinut relaţii sexuale cu un vecin în vârstă de 63 de ani." ; "Studentă la medicină, goală puşcă în centrul Iaşului. A fost prinsă de poliţişti într-o scară de bloc. Tânăra de 26 de ani vorbea în limba franceză, scrie presa locală.
mp_en_viaje: Fata a fost preluată de echipaje de Poliţie şi SMURD şi transportată la Spitalul de Psihiatrie "Socola" Iaşi." ; "Răzvan Ciobanu, bătut crunt de față cu vecinii. Scene cumplite trăite de regretatul designer înainte de moarte"
diana_coman: numai cine n-a chiar trait la sat/ vorbit pe bune cu oamenii de acolo crede c-ar fi ceva asa extraordinar si de neintalnit
mp_en_viaje: ie, 13 yo girl past abortion, father is 63yo neightbour ; some chick stripped naked in moldavia, evidently she must be insane (spoke french, which no sane people ever do, esp women), taken over to mental hospital by fire dept)
argie levels of lulz ; anon faggot ("clothes designer") beaten up by his bf. cuz obv gotta be gay if "clothes designer"
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 22:09 mircea_popescu: in other news, mp takes girl to picnic at neighbourhood park, she goes naked, within 15 minutes there's half a dozen local cops around the blanket being all concerned.
mp_en_viaje: "Anamaria Suru, în vârstă de 29 de ani, a fost găsită fără viaţă, luni, 22 aprilie, pe marginea unui drum forestier din pădurea din localitatea Secu, la aproximativ trei kilometri de Reşiţa." for the dead hookers files.
spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1911825 <-- tbh, other than the opportunity cost, I'm not even entirely sure of the details of *what* work this involves, i.e. cu ce se mananca. or whether I have what it takes etc. but I'm curious of the outcome, given the current state of ro politics. I live here, for one, so...
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:53 diana_coman: no; you can however spend it on something else and I somehow never manage to run out of "something else"; but yes, I can see the idea; I don't know about who is there to do all the work and get it all growing
spyked will come back to (re)digesting logs and discussion threads later today
mp_en_viaje: well, if you live there don't you have any elders who were ever involved ?
mp_en_viaje: ask uncle vania, the communal councillor or w/e.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, only one, and just recently (2000s, during basescu electorals). but yeah, that's a good idea
diana_coman: re ro politics, while my hometown is one in which ~everything is "political" (petrol industry), that part was always more about feathering X's or Y's nest so I wouldn't use that to get an idea of anything; onth re what I see as political, the way the situation in Ro reads to me is that ultimately people are desperately (and beyond i.e. without hope) looking for someone to take responsibility aka a master essentially.
diana_coman: lacking that, some (generally older but not only) will look up to psd as it (seems to, at least) takes responsibility for their food at least (poisoned as it might be but...);
mp_en_viaje: the ustards've been hoping for the black man to magically rise up and take over for decades.
diana_coman: others (generally younger) who already have in fact the employer-master taking the food-responsibiliy off their shoulders will look up instead to usr/pdl/wtf (I can't quite recall whatever they are nowadays)
diana_coman: basically for a different hole that they think it'll fill
diana_coman: well no, there is no national specific re human needs after all
mp_en_viaje: whatever, you know, in the end everyone cu pizda ma-sii, the problems of others are the problems of others, the problem of the individual is adequate expression, lest he becomes an intellectual & starts "resisting through culture"
diana_coman: certainly; not as if one's own problems are not generally more than enough to keep one busy.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:31 mp_en_viaje: spyked, yeah, but the interest's not in getting votes.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:11 mp_en_viaje: did i forget anything important ?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:50 mp_en_viaje: anyways, i'm not pushing for an insta-answer or anything ; but my thinking is if you both are interested an' nobody comes up with some major unseen flaw, ima draw a draft statute/documents w/e an' talk to my lawyer about it.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:46 mp_en_viaje: but in any case, a seat in europarliament seems to me within conceivable achievement, esp if alliance.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, this has ~nothing to do with presidency tho
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, this "risk" happened once before, mp & friends (tho in all fairness friends & mp) invented party and in a few years took it to leading government. mp wanted no office, left.
mp_en_viaje: (party went to shit, as it happens, but these things happen)
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 15:36 asciilifeform: btw one pheature of lenin & co that gets vehehery little press these days , when folx like to point out 'he didn't overthrow , other factions did all the work' : lenin & co refused, out of principle, to participate in any 'temporary government' derpage at all.
mp_en_viaje: seems rather opposite, lenin went back to moscow formed microscopic lolparty. by any measure bolsheviks were a numeric joke.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the two are not the same thing afaik ; but anyway, romanian govt traditionally is formed with hungarian party. was at the time ayways.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, either that or refused to admit it. "a majority of mensheviks" etc.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, mostly hungarian language schooling and some local level independence.
mp_en_viaje: well, by being the majority of the workers.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:10 mp_en_viaje: in no particular order, militate for the restriction of the franchise, the introduction of the census vote (whereby property counts electorally), amending the constitution to male it illegal for state to own anything or be involved in economy, lower age of sexual consent to 12 and systematically introduce young women to the concept of the sexual market and why it's very fucking stupid to [
http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selecti diana_coman: reading the list of romanian parties from tmb.ro yields all sorts of lol including "party of pensioners and social protection" that became of people and social protection
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so let them end up with controlling share. great wealth comes with great responsibility ; this can't be fixed from downstream because oh noes.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, imagine if you will, the total historical count is under 200.
mp_en_viaje: romanians have got to be some of the lest politically active / creative people ever invented.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: well yes, I saw that (list includes parties that were registered, even if not existing anymore)
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: politics is a very alien thing ; and tbh part of the exercise I see precisely in actually showing what that is as opposed to what it "came to be"; similar to what "afaceri" seems to mean if you look at "afaceristi" and so on
mp_en_viaje: and if it did produce 1010101 would you add whitener /
diana_coman: but I have to admit that I wouldn't say that I actually have any political experience.
diana_coman: as I'm still digesting the whole thing, I still find that my mind keeps going on to "guild" more than to "political party" ; perhaps I see political party as too limited though I really just need to read more on it first (and admitedly, I doubt there is the guild form as such in Ro, lolz)
mp_en_viaje: people who buy a bitcoin also get a bitcoin
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, guilds were professional organisations. this is a political entity.
diana_coman: well yes, they certainly started as professional though it's not as if they didn't end up political too.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, yes, but political along professional lines.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, no franchise for corps (and no aggregate corps in the first place)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: buying is an honest process. It's possible to price a purchase. The current herpity derp herd the derps process is fundamentally dishonest.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, dude wants to vote in romania, he can buy it now as well.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 08:48 mp_en_viaje: in other words, it's pretty fucking cheap.
mp_en_viaje: as it stands being mayor of some small town somewhere will run you less than what a toyota costs.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> as it stands being mayor of some small town somewhere will run you less than what a toyota costs. << And if the Balmers et al run up the cost of mayorship, that is a damned honest signal to the rest of the world that giving away the franchise to all that fall out of a cunt for free is gravely underpricing the franchise.
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mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, not to mention, at least give the stupid cunts a fair price for their whoredom.
mp_en_viaje: i mean, what difference is there between a herd of "electorate" kept captive for just 2-3 chosen morons to "buy their votes", and a herd of "ambitious young women" kept captive for just 2-3 chosen morons to "seduce" them ?
BingoBoingo: Right. Gotta undo all the dishonest pricing Pantsuit debasement inflicted on the world
mp_en_viaje: let there be free and open competition among the users, if 17yo boi wants to fuck primo cunt, let him pay market value, not get govt subsidy. and similarily throughout the board.
mp_en_viaje will go peek over hanbot 's shoulder, wtf is this even.
BingoBoingo doesn't recall obsoleting anything recently
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, eh, listen you. it's very bad form, this infantile "ima start things and forget about them". you didn't want it anymore, cuz for whatever reason, can just call the guy and tell him so, not end up with lengthy service you didn't want / did not intend to use. or for that matter answers his emails or w/e. wtf expire, who ever heard of such a thing.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno dood, same as always, pay 3% income tax, get 16% discount on euro-vat for construction materials, have employer at your disposal for w/e purposes you might want to employ for, it's a list.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, is that what broke down comms then ?
mp_en_viaje: well, so say this then, and you know, in time. fucking ridiculous to let things just rot in the fridge.
mp_en_viaje: i end up doing debugging of others affairs years later wth am i.
mp_en_viaje: well yeah, it's like domain names say, or hosting or any other such thing. can't just discontinue it, nobody knows what priceless jewelry dood has in there.
mp_en_viaje: think for a moment what chaos'd ensue if that were how it worked.
mp_en_viaje: i figure if nothing occured since 2017, might as well bury it.
mp_en_viaje: well yes, but not if you get a reputation for doing inane bs.
mp_en_viaje: i have no idea! conceivably tell him, "dood looky, this is entirely dependent on pgp". not get item you're not satisfied with, i dunno. complain at some point somewhere, so i don't find myself in this weird position where i'm asked about things i dunno about and dunno what to say ?
mp_en_viaje: nfi what his issue is either, i left him a laptop for the express purpose, free of charge, all set up.
mp_en_viaje: right, cuz the good-for-century sodium lamps were no good.
BingoBoingo: I doubt Detroit's electricity is clean enough to support diodes
mp_en_viaje: sodium lamps are some of the highest efficiency, most voltage-variation tolerant light sources known. and by "some of" i mean the.
mp_en_viaje: none of that "high pressure" mercury alloy bs, either.
mp_en_viaje: "oh but mp, it makes older women look unattractive". who the fuck are you putting street lamps in for, hillary clinton an' her merry band of disavowed streetwalkers ?
mp_en_viaje: the switch from most efficient engineeringly best city lights (they're even good for light pollution, least light polluting public source, specifically for the same reason) towards expensive, toxic, ineffective, harmful an' generally bullshit "alternatives" just because sodium spectral emission's unflattering to old bags gotta be the cleanest example of why generalized peripueral fever's much preferable to merkelism.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-16 22:04 asciilifeform: they pass an old man who says, 'don't drown this fellow. i'll feed him dumplings, he won't have to do any work but to dip them'
BingoBoingo: And unflattering for the right reason. Great visibility!
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mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, nah, it's very close to the zone where humans don't perceive color at all.
mp_en_viaje: case of "either be THIS rosy on the cheek or else look gray"
BingoBoingo: Not all visibility is a color thing. It's a high contrast effect. Take away their color and the old hags are all fault.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i bought the "edison lamps", but the filament rather than the fake diode ones, fully expecting they'll go out in a month. they're still lighting cr fortress, easily 2, maybe even 3k hours later.
mp_en_viaje: left me with large supply of spares, as i bought 3x the installed inventory, had not yet opportunity to change any.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile by reading through
old tomes, „ Alan M. Turing thought about criteria to settle the question of whether Machines Can Think, a question of which we now know that it is about as relevant as the question of whether Submarines Can Swim”
mp_en_viaje: i'm still not fucking agreeing with djikstra's hipsterism. "submarines can swim" from point a to point b.
argentine submarines evidently can't fucking swim ; and djikstra's a fucking retard for imagining "moving through water" is a good model for "thinking".
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-07-29 16:27 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-29#1838170 << argentines are literally and without exageration a bunch of soy farmers who pretend FOR NO REASON conceivable, a circumstance of which they are aware AND PRETEND IT DOES NOT MATTER! AT ALL!, pretend they say they're something in the vein of "third power in europe". and that they might have such things as submarines, and so on. it's literally pig going through girls' charm cabinet a
mp_en_viaje: it's god damned fucking relevant, whether machines can think, specificaly because thinking's an open ended process. movement is not fucking open ended, which is why it admits exterior criteria in the first place,
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it;s offensively fucking stupid, why i even mention it. nfi how otherwise bright minds end up with this sorta shit between the ears.
mp_en_viaje: "hammer drives nails" "so if i ever need a nail driven i can use it ?" "definitely" "what's a computer do" "it kompyoots" "what's that ?" "umm..." "so what class of problem can it solve for me ?" "well, if you're one day bored..." "this never happens" "how about if you feel like helping many people you've never met ?" "..."
mp_en_viaje: "well mp... it can do metaexpansion" "really ?!" "
nope. but at least you get to debug it." "really ?!" "just kidding"
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 01:46 asciilifeform grunting out a
wp colorizer mode for peh, and it's maddening, php is ~undebuggable garbage
mp_en_viaje: if it's a calculator why does it have control instructions.
mp_en_viaje: you're not telling the whole truth here, seeing how even peh ended up with a stack. i know when i'm being led on, the computer's clearly not a calculator.
mp_en_viaje: same reason armchair with dentist's not armchair.
mp_en_viaje: also "matter of convention". also matter of painvention.
mp_en_viaje: ever see someone bashing literal head against literal wall over a division ?
mp_en_viaje: like a helmet, except it doesn't protect the skull.
mp_en_viaje: as you say, "so owner dun have to press button as often"
mp_en_viaje: which is why i chose this illustration. apparently helmputer can exist.
mp_en_viaje: (but the "gotta take off hat" was pretty lulzy i must admit)
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, point is, that the helmputter seems a much better design ~towards the same goals~ as these computer things.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-08 02:13 asciilifeform: used it for many many yrs on my www , but never before attempted custom lang config .
a111: Logged on 2015-04-26 03:21 asciilifeform: 'certain languages support serious programmers, and others don't. e.g., I don't think it is at all possible to become a serious programmer using Visual Basic or Perl. if you think hard about what Perl code will do on the borders of the known input space, your head will explode. if you write Perl code to handle input problems gracefully, your programs will become gargantuan: the normal failure mode is to terminate with no id
mp_en_viaje: the argument was that it seems so far that the "can computers think" question is not misplaced. in fact, even the question "are computers anything besides elaborate skull crushers" is not misplaced.
mp_en_viaje: in that their actual utility is open ended, THEREFORE the "can they think" line of inquiry is valid.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
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