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asciilifeform: lol Mocky where are you flying from..? alaska ?!
asciilifeform got round trip from dc and 5d hotel for <1900 in apr
asciilifeform: copa, through panama as it always goes
mircea_popescu: possibly they're running an "oh, vacation" scam ?
asciilifeform: ( and asciilifeform's only complaint was the plane that stood on runway for 20 extra minutes because some orc derp couldn't fit his ~box of cakes~ into overhead bin )
asciilifeform: admittedly the <1900 gets 'cattle car class'.
asciilifeform: ( and nominal wait in panama was only 1h )
Mocky: asciilifeform, raleigh durham international
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: then nfi. plane ticket is one of those things that steadily climbs in cost as the printing press churns.
Mocky: BingoBoingo, is Prado where you are?
asciilifeform: Mocky: he's in montevideo
Mocky: talking neighborhoods
BingoBoingo: Mocky: I am in Pocitos near the datacenter.
BingoBoingo: Prado's further to the west
Mocky: ok, yeah I see it
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the locals rarely travel within the city
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/ballot-measure-to-split-california-blocked-by-california-court/ << Qntra - Ballot Measure To Split California Blocked By California Court
phf: this is summer u.s. vacation prices, personally i'm not traveling until end of august, when $1900 flights to anywhere suddenly(!!1) drop to $900
phf: new york flights are the baseline to go by, they tend to be the cheapest, and have direct flights by foreign airlines to places i usually go to, so for example istanbul is $1,2k right now, drops to $900 in august, in early september it's the regular price of $700 or so
phf: same deal with, e.g. moscow. $600-500 roundtrips all year spike to $1,5k in summer
Mocky: phf, good info, thanks. looks like cheapest flight in august is bouncing around $1250 to $1350, haven't seen the $1150 sighting again. If I push it out past labor day looks like $950
asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque possible bug in wot display ( https://archive.is/3Z7ZW , scroll to bottom )
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !!up PeterL
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: PeterL: ...?
PeterL: ^ about WOT display: it wouldn't be a bug if shinohai went through and re-rated everybody in his wot with no comment, look at the time stamps ☟︎
asciilifeform: lessee what he says.
asciilifeform: ( i am at a loss re why anybody would do this, but whoknows ) ☟︎
PeterL: could be something related to "-2 lobbes 2018-06-01 01:06:43 old woman. See also: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Alobbes+rot+in+heathendom" ?
asciilifeform: PeterL: if he actually issued the uncommented ratings , then psychiatric q for shinohai . if not -- bugological q for trinque . is all i got.
asciilifeform: fwiw i never grasped why deedbot permits !!rate out of chan. but possibly trinque & mircea_popescu explained this at some point, i simply could not find in l0gz. ☟︎
PeterL: on that page Trinque has a rating with no comment, so clearly it is acceptable to leave the comment out
asciilifeform: right
PeterL: but you are right, if ratings were required to be in chan then anybody could rebuild the deedbot WoT from the channel logs. or at least have the verifications in chan.
asciilifeform: it is already too late for 'everybody can rebuild from logs', naturally. but if this had been the design, could answer 'does have bug or not' mechanically.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell shinohai http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836359 << ?? plox to comment. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 14:59 PeterL: ^ about WOT display: it wouldn't be a bug if shinohai went through and re-rated everybody in his wot with no comment, look at the time stamps
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
PeterL: while I have the mic: I did end up fixing the problem http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830121 , see http://petermlambert.blogspot.com/2018/07/vdiffshadefineswapvpatch.html ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 15:16 PeterL: hi, I was just trying to build the vtools, and I ran into this problem: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AuLgQ/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: Mocky better go out of crazy season anyway, i know of no place that benefits from heavy tourist load.
mircea_popescu: some people are very much into the 16yos they tow about ; but in general speaking fuckers should just be shot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc tourist season in BingoBoingostan is dec-feb
PeterL: so travel from US to BBstan is advised sep-nov or mar-may ☟︎
asciilifeform: PeterL: 2nd week of april -- beach was 27C and... entirely empty. go figure.
mircea_popescu: how it goes.
Mocky: mircea_popescu: ok
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836361 << i dunno that a comment's that important. basically it's the "string for allcomers" portion of wot mechanics. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 14:59 asciilifeform: ( i am at a loss re why anybody would do this, but whoknows )
asciilifeform: i have no position on this in either direction. q was re 'bug or not' strictly.
mircea_popescu: certainly no bug.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: specifically, if he issued '!!rate $user' without comment, no bug, if it somehow vanished on own power -- bug
mircea_popescu: we've just been supplying the string because tradition, or dunno. i suppose much like venetian merchants dressed the house pets. dun mean naked woman about the house is a bug (even though the 80s retard, before i/we came about and fucked their "trtaditions" right in the ass, would have suspected such_
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah ah. if vanished on own power let him complain.
asciilifeform: aha. is all.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836364 << i'm not even sure by now. honestly i don't seem to ever want to use it, myself, but i also see no problem in it per se. ratings are personal after all, and not all persons of the republic are necessarily just as public. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 15:03 asciilifeform: fwiw i never grasped why deedbot permits !!rate out of chan. but possibly trinque & mircea_popescu explained this at some point, i simply could not find in l0gz.
mod6: After looking at PeterL's blogpost, was curious if there had been any consideration into if a manifest file should grow up or down (i.e. newest change first, or newest change last in the file). This is purely a cosmetic thing, I suppose it would be up to the author too. Probably why trinque didn't touch on this in the post either http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/
mircea_popescu: mod6 i always assumed down.
mircea_popescu: ie, the way >> adds.
asciilifeform currently writing a manifest, goes 'down'
mircea_popescu: seems to me to be a (tacit) posix standard.
mod6: Ah, alright. Just thought I'd bring it up as most "CHANGELOG"s that you see out there grow upwards.
mircea_popescu: which ?!
mod6: Hah, I dunno, maybe I'm making that up.
mircea_popescu: lol if you run across any say
mod6: ok, will do. if i even do, they're probably from projects that are not TMSR~ anyway. so who cares.
mod6: thanks for the 0.00000002
mircea_popescu: of course, i can't load blogspot "blogs" now that http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience/#selection-287.67-291.1
mircea_popescu: briefly thought about doing something about it... but then, i think i'd rather just wait for PeterL to move or w/e.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Rjfvb << seems to work
mircea_popescu: aite.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell PeterL get the hell off heathen kolhoz 'blogspot' already
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "This site uses cookies from Google to deliver its services and to analyze traffic. Your IP address and user-agent are shared with Google along with performance and security metrics to ensure quality of service, generate usage statistics, and to detect and address abuse."
mircea_popescu: cute.
mircea_popescu: nice going on digging up the busybox header, huh.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836377 << I have not yet experienced August through November, but I see no reason to rule out December through February. That was best weather. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 15:12 PeterL: so travel from US to BBstan is advised sep-nov or mar-may
BingoBoingo: Just avoid Puntu del Este if you aren't pete_dushenski ☟︎
Mocky: gringo money pit?
BingoBoingo: Latino money pit
BingoBoingo: Year round just about everything there costs 50% more
BingoBoingo: population is ~30,000 most of the year and 300,000 December through February
BingoBoingo: Also one of their beaches is very rich in jellyfish
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: delaware also infested with same, dun stop anybody from packing beach like rush hour train
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or are your jellyfish australian-style 'kill in 5min' variety
asciilifeform: ( the ones here, moar like bee sting than anyffing )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836413 << lulzy fella, e.g. most recently 'Marketing/branding is something that, unfortunately, the folks in ye olde #trilema utterly fail to comprehend, if quite intentionally so, but the result is the same : they collectively couldn’t market, brand, or sell their way out of a paper bag and childishly mock any attempts to improve on that score. Such is the bed they’ve made for themselves.' ( ht ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 16:18 BingoBoingo: Just avoid Puntu del Este if you aren't pete_dushenski
asciilifeform: tps://archive.is/0iPzV ) didjaknow.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: as far as I can tell the bee sting variety, but I have seen a couple people with sizeable welts returning to the hostel from there after day trips
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: here in mosquito hell, all i gotta do is to walk three metres out of front door to rubbish pin, and 5-6 welts ☟︎
BingoBoingo: I am unsure if I have been mosquito bit here. I don't think they like the bus fumes
BingoBoingo: But up in the North around Artigas department they advertise Dengue
BingoBoingo: And occasionally yellow fever crosses the border in the North as well
asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos your www is down ? ☟︎
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but those are mostly hoping to social mobilitize. at least going to inca capital for it makes some sens.e
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836422 << he has exactly zero room to pretend to any kind of commercial knowledge, seeing how http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651459 ; if he was worth two shits in the supposed field of his choice, we'd have known this as a matter of fact in 2017. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 16:51 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836413 << lulzy fella, e.g. most recently 'Marketing/branding is something that, unfortunately, the folks in ye olde #trilema utterly fail to comprehend, if quite intentionally so, but the result is the same : they collectively couldn’t market, brand, or sell their way out of a paper bag and childishly mock any attempts to improve on that score. Such is the bed they’ve made for themselves.' ( ht
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 20:04 mircea_popescu: dude, just call. nevermind the "questions" and rest of the crap. spend 1/10 of the time you frittered away already "on" this to call, write up your report, "i, pete d, aspiring to one day lordship, spent 8 hours today cold calling. i managed a total of 76 calls, which would get me fired from the average call center but hey, i'm new. these 76 calls went to so and so, here's the script, here's why i ammended it and when, here's
mircea_popescu: yes, teh republic is un poco carente in the commercial lines ; nevertheless the epsilon here far exceeds the zero there. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc d00d was loaded -- but in the 'inherit 10mil to make 1mil' sense strictly
asciilifeform: i dun even recall him having a 'field of choice', iirc he lives by renting out some inherited hovels
mircea_popescu: and also the "oh but mp, that's not the EXACT specific narrowly defined line" isn't permissible either. a "doctor" who can't equalize a molar transform is no fuckinfg doctor, i don't care how he thinks chemistry "is not properly part of doctorhood"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but that's the fashionable thing, ever since "our brave boys in uniform" came back, erryone's permitted to go about pretending as if they have some kind of business.
asciilifeform: i suspect moar http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-09#1092789 than 'doctor' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-04-09 02:42 trinque: http://gawker.com/5861135/cement-and-glue-butt-injection-doctor-has-unbelievable-curves << sorry for gawker, pic worth it
mircea_popescu: basically http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651446 ; and by the perennial butthurt whenever that shoe drops, it's evident enough nobody in these morons' lives EVER fucking sat them down and told them plainly what a failure fucking is and how they can become one. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 19:55 mircea_popescu: or is it going to be the case that you'll go through the motions of pretending interest in whatevert topic du jour and i'm not going to say anything because i';m lazy ? what's the thinking ?
mircea_popescu: category went out of language or something.
mircea_popescu: much in the vein of giancarlo giannini calls mariangela melato "cretina!" and the imbecile translator regales his eager public with "you stupid bitch!". because totally, "cretin!" is not a thing in english.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, romanian "ratarea", french "c'est rate ( http://trilema.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/#selection-87.1-89.14 )". it's a fucking category. to fail, not "at something", but as a biological attempt.
mircea_popescu: the process through one becomes a failure.
asciilifeform: i suspect 'bio failure' is pretty abstract concept to fella who wakes up and counts the porches etc
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine why.
asciilifeform: dunno, cuz printing press is kind to him ?
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: broken wing bird's wing's broken in all winds.
asciilifeform: so the 'poor->stupid' circuit dun engage
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836372 << fyi, i appreciate the hackery, but the relevant code is already in the vtools http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_vdiff_sha/tree/vtools/src/system.h#L145 as I mentioned in logs http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830179 the problem is that byteswapping is non-standard. each libc implements its own. more importantly __bswap64 that PeterL is using is an internal inline function, that exists in ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 15:11 PeterL: while I have the mic: I did end up fixing the problem http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830121 , see http://petermlambert.blogspot.com/2018/07/vdiffshadefineswapvpatch.html
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 18:03 phf: PeterL: the approach that we've been taking with legacy C code is pulling out autotools, and replacing with a single #ifdef/.. configuration header. outside of linux/bsd code is probably not going to work, and the approach is to look at the configuration header file (http://btcbase.org/patches/vdiff_sha_static/tree/vtools/src/system.h#L145 in case of vtools) and patch it for your system
phf: some libc's (specifically in glibc, musl, there's also a custom one in busybox. presumably cygwin/mingw comes with a glibc derivative), but that shouldn't be used directly. PeterL's patch is not needed on linux/freebsd/apple.
mircea_popescu: it was pretty amusing!
asciilifeform: phf: i in particular won't sign winblowz patches out of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830228 principle. but if d00d wants to -- he can, his own v branch, i have nfi why he wants to , but it'll sit there, for archaeologists. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 21:33 asciilifeform: but dollars to doughnuts if you dun have e.g. pdp11, you won't bother reading its ifdef blocks; and supposing you did read'em, your grasp of what takes place inside won't be worth much if you don't regularly inhabit that platform
mircea_popescu: technically cygwin is linux emulator for windows.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is, and worx surprisingly well, asciilifeform used it extensively many yrs ago
asciilifeform: even got x running, and entirely unmodified emacs, browsers, etc
phf: yeah, if that ifdef wasn't there, the code would've just worked out of the box
mircea_popescu: so technically cygwin patches not winblowz patches
asciilifeform: right, but cygwin has no use outside of winblowz.
mircea_popescu: be that as it may.
asciilifeform: ( tho theoretically, crapple has departed far enuff from posix that it perhaps is ripe for a cygwin-like item . but i dun much care for rescuing crapple drowners, either )
mircea_popescu: alf to pet "your snatch has no use outside of my house" pet retorts "usure ?"
phf: well, crapple user space is a kind of cygwin, but from *bsd
asciilifeform: phf: formerly.
mircea_popescu: they mostly dropped bsd afaik
asciilifeform: today, even e.g. 1990s-vintage irix box, is moar posixy.
asciilifeform: afaik the only republical item that builds unmodified on current crapple is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835881 , and strictly from eschewing pretty much any nontrivial posixism ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 13:42 asciilifeform: phf: say what you will re ada standard, but e.g. ffa is ( afaik! ) a nontrivial and at same time ada2012-compliant proggy.
asciilifeform: *republican
asciilifeform: x11, for instance, no longer comes with crappletrons, and takes substantial gymnastics to install.
phf: i don't know where you're getting this info.
asciilifeform: phf: from having one in the next room, lol
asciilifeform: ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835841 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 12:47 asciilifeform: phf: in commercial work i use things that would turn the strongest stomach. now, as always, speaking of civilized work.
phf: well, it's fud.
asciilifeform: phf: it's a fact, it dun come with x no moar
asciilifeform: phf: visit a shop, see for yourself.
phf: "substantial gymnastics"?
asciilifeform: yes.
asciilifeform: inb4 'use the app store' lol.
phf: ...
asciilifeform: say i dun wannt 'use app store'.
asciilifeform: and x aside, do we need to do the gdb thread again ?
asciilifeform: or log suffices
phf: https://dl.bintray.com/xquartz/downloads/XQuartz-2.7.11.dmg
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597418 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 13:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phakt, i replicated phuctor on a mac lappy (it happened to be the one in the room with sufficient free disk) and it works -- except that apparently gdb no longer works on latest crapple os
mircea_popescu: phf it's a legitimate pov, seriously now. why should i have to follow the (closed source! very tenuous! and burdensome!) process apple chose ?
mircea_popescu: "installs" can NOT mean "use apple appstore". it must mean something in my hand.
asciilifeform: phf: didja get this to run on recent box ?
phf: asciilifeform: yes.
asciilifeform: phf: neato. will have to archive this.
asciilifeform: i'ma readily admit that phf is better crapple wrangler than asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: ( i have the box mainly to run -- yes -- microshit vm's ... )
mircea_popescu is too lazy to burn the dmg, and discover the ten trillion subtle breakages each of which thoroughly suffices to sink the proposed argument.
asciilifeform: lol mircea_popescu has a crappletron somewhere ??
phf: mircea_popescu: dmg opens with a double click on an apple
mircea_popescu: one of the girls has an old ipad.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these dun run on i-*, they're for the intel macs
mircea_popescu: phf and that thing is a pile of software which compiles with a chain of my choice into a functional x for a target (apple) system of my choice ?
phf: mircea_popescu: there's enough goal posts for wide movement in this question, that neither "yes" nor a "no" would be a correct answer
mircea_popescu: care to bolt them down or not really ?
phf: xquartz builds with an llvm for sure, it built with a gcc recently, it's quite likely that it still builds with gcc, since it's a direct fork of freedesktop version (but then it's not clear what crazy things fd put into X11 proper upstream), you can find a range of vintage that'll build all the way back to 10.4, but i'm not sure if you can build what i linked on e.g 10.4 specifically. the bulk of code there is combination of posix AND
phf: bsd libc, there's some creeping divergences that were introduced by apple in parts that are not covered by either posix or libc
mircea_popescu: let's put it this way : should i double click that on an apple, i'd find a bundle so that a) if i exclude all non-text files i can then b) use at least one specified version of a compiler chain i can build in same manner so as to c) produce object files which then d) run on my system.
phf: mircea_popescu: well, the linked bit is a binary, since the bit that i disputed from asciilifeform is "substantial gymnastics"
mircea_popescu: i read "substantial gymnastics" in the sense of, needed to c) above.
mircea_popescu: ie whole lotta b)-wrangling.
phf: mircea_popescu: the upstream X is already a mess of libraries, substantial gymnastics are required to build it on any system without assistance of something like gentoo's portage. in case of apple things are typically distributed as a binary, which is what i linked above. xquartz.org also has the sources, that are patched versions of original freedesktop code. one could theoretically build that by hand, but typically one would use
phf: macports or homebrew which are portage versions for apple. at least macports can still be used to build xquartz from scratch. i've not personally tried that in a long time, so it's possible that there's serious wrecker situation there. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i expect there is, yes.
mircea_popescu: but, again, there's no room for this "on windows, we use autoupdate", "on mac we distribute binaries", "in india we shit in the street" w/e. hence the girl old ipad comment.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, apple wants to take advantage of tmsr-style release, let them get in l1. but even before that, it's so shocking to me alf would accept a binary from "bintray.com" as some sort of item. ☟︎
phf: mircea_popescu: on mac you can use e.g. pkgsrc which is a portable portage from netbsd project, which i have on all my machines. posix things of arbitrary complexity build from it
mircea_popescu: ok, but specifically x is exactly the mess of improbable libraries etc. have you pkgsrc'd it recently anywhere ?
mircea_popescu: (none of this is spurious dicking about, either. we're going to end up needing both some sort of standard of ok-ness on one hand ; and specifically in the case of X it's like, the one looming mysql-esque cuntoo wrecker)
phf: i haven't, i haven't built it in about 2 years, but then i haven't installed it on macs in about two years either
mircea_popescu: and two years ago, how long did it take you to get the wheels to spin ?
phf: i think an insignificant amount of time, ignoring compilation time, but then at the time i knew exactly where to cut, so to speak, and how
mircea_popescu: so something like "no significant gymnastics needed by olympic gymnast" ?
mircea_popescu: for contrast, i recently wasted an entire fucking day with the following bit of gymnastics : http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-15.log.html#t20:35:50 ☟︎
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-07-15 20:35:50: <mircea_popescu> so the problem consisted of my running through the whole list of http://www.eulorum.org/Ubuntu requisite packages list. libgl1-mesa-dev (which ... isn't even fucking needed, i am now running eulora without it) fucked my video drivers (in a strange halfway manner, prolly fucked some userland wrapper somewhere). reinstalling the nvidia originals fixed it.
phf: correct, though now, dealing with say gentoo i suspect that olympic gymnastics are a requirement to deal with the mess in general.
mircea_popescu: i do not pose as expert gymnast in any sense ; and yes this caliber turd is somewhat common in unixworld altogether. but still, holy hell, fucking gymnastics.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836521 << how does it differ from 'accepting' crapple's os, full of binary ???, to begin with. box is a toilet. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 19:10 mircea_popescu: for that matter, apple wants to take advantage of tmsr-style release, let them get in l1. but even before that, it's so shocking to me alf would accept a binary from "bintray.com" as some sort of item.
asciilifeform: it runs virii, all day long.
mircea_popescu: i'll note that everthying the republicans deliver builds like a fucking charm, be it ffa, avetronics or what have you. i've never had a problem of this sort inside the walls.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess. it is called a ~damage~ file after all, rite.
asciilifeform: i operate these, it's how i eat.
asciilifeform: it would not occur to asciilifeform to attempt to live civilized life on a crapple.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836529 << ftr i haven't in many yrs succeeded in getting 3d gpu running on linux box, so mircea_popescu is ahead of me there ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 19:17 mircea_popescu: for contrast, i recently wasted an entire fucking day with the following bit of gymnastics : http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-15.log.html#t20:35:50
mircea_popescu: i cheat ; as per alf "is a toilet" magics, i just use nvidia's binaries.
asciilifeform: aaah lol
phf: first time i spent two months in india, swiming and eating and pretty much nothing else, i had to perform some very minor operation for the banking contract i was doing at the time: took me an entire day just to get through a 5 minute process, and i cursed and hated the entire time, because the steps were pointless, unnatural, and clearly designed to inflict pain on the operator. i suspect this is how mp feels when dealing with modern
phf: tech. i'm (and ascii) on the other hand are fully imersed in the pain points, you kind of stop feeling them. ☟︎
asciilifeform: iirc i tried even this, some yrs back, got a box that bombs randomly erry hr or so
mircea_popescu: but as you were typing that, i was thinking "We fucking need an expert gfx card wizard to debinary that shit already"
mircea_popescu: phf i also cultivate it deliberately, because i believe it is (in my case, not necessarily for everyone) a most valuable skill.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc we had a thread re this ; the gnarl is roughly similar to xilinx reversing ( they switch chip revisions erry quarter or so, by the time a card is ~acceptably reversed , it is long out of print )
mircea_popescu: after all, industrialized intolerance is how i made my living, back in the day.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing is the death of moore bit them in the ass too. i am very happy with 10year old cards as it is. and even when i buy "new", i buy old ones.
mircea_popescu: ie, the video card problem is mostly solved, large stocks exist, getting some chips pried open would be useful.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reportedly 10yr vintage cards can be set up without binturd. ( asciilifeform not tried yet. ) ☟︎
phf afk
mircea_popescu: yeh, i do not believe it to be an impossible task.
asciilifeform: iirc the breaking point for me was screen rotation, if i can't get 90degree displays i throw card out
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, if it makes you feel better, the nvidia binaries of late are absolutely rock solid, i never ever had a problem ; moreover they even fix shitty apt-get messes.
asciilifeform: interesting
mircea_popescu: actually i'd say they're a standard sui generis, "if you're going to distribute binaries, at least do them as well as nvidia"
asciilifeform: to be fair i can't rule out iron problem, in the case of my old card, i suspect it did not like 24/7 duty cycle
mircea_popescu: should bn a diagnose\
asciilifeform: (inside cabinet with multiple red-hot opterons etc)
mircea_popescu: should be visible in a diagnose or other*
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i never got the on-die thermometer reader to work. possibly improved since.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836545 << i can't say that i've 'stopped feeling'em', no. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 19:23 phf: tech. i'm (and ascii) on the other hand are fully imersed in the pain points, you kind of stop feeling them.
asciilifeform: crapple 'plz reboot for update!' is erry bit as infuriating the 9001st time as 1st.
mircea_popescu: aaand apparently my gdb has a memory leak. what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: i can't be the first person to run gdb over multi-week stretches.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: version ?
mircea_popescu: 7.1
asciilifeform: ( and can't resist to ask, what makes ya think it's gdb, and not the debuggee )
mircea_popescu: because the debuggee keeps dying, which results in gdb apparently taking water.
asciilifeform: aa unsurprising then, iirc it doesn't actually ever let go of the crash dumps
mircea_popescu: hm
asciilifeform bbl,meat
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esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836430 << fixed, thanks. linode restarted the thing ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 17:00 asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos your www is down ?
lobbesbot: esthlos: Sent 6 hours and 9 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> your www is down ?
mircea_popescu: lol