mircea_popescu: (before the large cern one, a smaller all-german item existed, proved most of modern physics, including all sorts of quark properties, laid the groundwork for eventual finding of top quark, etc)
asciilifeform: not so much even that 'hate', but observed that current-day practitioners are proliferators of factolade, and not unifiers.
asciilifeform: the troo wothy, is the man who SHRINKS the textbook.
mircea_popescu: desy is perhaps the golden age of german science, and rather inseparable in any case.
asciilifeform: i respect folx who do honest work, even on particle zoos. just as i respect that cataloguers of rare birds in the jungle ; it is not a wholly pointless thing. but it is not comparable to heaviside, who walked into a room with 22 equations and came out with 4.
asciilifeform: ( incidentally there is -- imho wholly without merit -- a school of physical-crackpotteristic thought that holds that he botched the job. )
mircea_popescu: yes well.
asciilifeform: oh hey in the new mircea_popescu article : the item re 'cruise ship'. asciilifeform confesses, he never understood what is the appeal
asciilifeform: why put a shit hotel on a boat ?
mircea_popescu: "if the nazis come -- can sail away" "really bitch ? never heard of uboats ?" "THOSE WOULD BE ILLEGAL"
mircea_popescu: such an utterly fragile item your eyes water, like from onion.
asciilifeform: speaking of current-day cruiseship chumpatron
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: what's the draw ?
asciilifeform: lotta chumps seem to reliably sign up
mircea_popescu: item is 1950s revival of pre 1915 extant item with utility (cross the atlantic pleasantly)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lotta chumpsteins and chumpstein-wannabes.
asciilifeform: well in 1915 it was 'cross with minimal pain', sorta like the $5k plus 1stclass chair on modern air liner
mircea_popescu: kinda ended by 1915, but yes in 1890 absolutely.
asciilifeform: whereas the airliner equiv to the cruise would be to buy a 1stclass ticket to go nowhere in particular, in a circle
asciilifeform: not even getting out of the plane
asciilifeform: i could even see the appeal if the plane were e.g. a mig, and does immelmans.
mircea_popescu: there's a certain "cramped spaces and highschool-ariline boarding security" nazism reinstatement that is appealing to a certain sort of person.
asciilifeform: but would you on airbus ? and who would, and why.
asciilifeform: hm so b&d-istic hypothesis ?
mircea_popescu: mostly, people who got it hammered into childhood that they suck for hating the peas, because their grandaunt edsel died in whichever camp
asciilifeform: i ain't got a better one. it'd make sense.
mircea_popescu: i'm telling you, cruise is jewsanity.
mircea_popescu: "city on a hill. of froth."
asciilifeform: ugh
mircea_popescu: (for the needs of this exercise, the unitarian ustards are jew-wannabes.)
asciilifeform: i dunno if anyone alive today knows what actual j00z looked like.
asciilifeform: they got thermonuked
mircea_popescu: rahter.
asciilifeform: like the proper-penguin.
asciilifeform: did mircea_popescu ever write about, incidentally, penguin ?
asciilifeform: how the name of the misfortunate bird, was recycled.
mircea_popescu: that it got replaced ? im sure it's a mention here and there in the log
asciilifeform: must be.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771980 << fine example of the context problem. "yes, i have the chip" "so what can you do ?" "nothing."☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:11 asciilifeform: ( or what it expects to find on the bus, or almost anything else )
asciilifeform: aaalmost nothing.
mircea_popescu: tru.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771984 << the mechanism are "only the files named may exist".☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:13 apeloyee: I proposed being able to name arbitrary required antecedents << also probably needs a mechanism to declare "there are no other files in the tree"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771985 << i don't understand where the extra mass comes from iyo. in the trinque solution, one extra file'd have been gaining a total of count-patches lines. ook ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:14 asciilifeform: apeloyee: look at the trb tree, and picture what the mass of the patches would have been, if this requirement had been in effect when i made it.
asciilifeform: i'ma come back to this item when trinquetronic v is available
asciilifeform: practical demonstration beats hypotheticals.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/and-another-day-dawns-or-multipicture-megapost/ << Trilema - And another day dawns, or Multipicture Megapost
asciilifeform: 'Full rubber tyres, no inflation at all. Yes, exactly like in the toy items we had as children. Progress, you see,' << this is coming. possibly already deployed on 'upscale' americars.
mircea_popescu: idiots.
mircea_popescu: "let's use everything exactly contrary to its utility envelope"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i ordered the creation of special proper tyres for myself only. and it shall be done.
mircea_popescu: and what people who aren't imperial majesties themselves will do i have nfi.
asciilifeform: pretty sure you can get tubed tires in usa.
asciilifeform: lotta vintage car aficionado folx here.
asciilifeform: ( and motorcycle , tractor, bus , tire -- still tubed afaik errywhere )
mircea_popescu: !#s "LARP"
a111: 13 results for "\"LARP\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22LARP%22
mircea_popescu: did i at some point know what larping means ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772007 <<< they went to "social media" aka sv wankpost rather than eg, came here, for a reason, after all.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:32 fromloper: yeah, somehow a lot of potentially interesting people on social media end up mostly posting this kind of crap
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772030 << report any developments!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:43 fromloper: so there is at least one possible address, gotta try it
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772041 << quite this. symbolics had the distinction of marketing inept to the amplitude of apple's, except negative.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:47 asciilifeform: to be fair the company was not really a honest commercial co, moar like one of those unofficial usg research institutes, they proliferated under reagan and died with him
shinohai: Heh, curious you mention that about tires, never thought of it until now mircea_popescu, but bicycle wheels are the only place you can still get an inner tube afaik.
shinohai: (in latest trilema)
mircea_popescu: ill get tubes in whatever the fuck i fucking want them. but yes, they try not to sell them anymore.
mircea_popescu: "let's make proper car behave more like electric if we can';t make electric ever be proper car"
mircea_popescu: hurr.
mircea_popescu: i want 200km pitstops for the car like i want fat old women in my livingroom.
asciilifeform: somehow asciilifeform's tyres hold pressure for yr+
asciilifeform: ( and yes i have a manometer , and one of those small pumps )
asciilifeform: possibly because asciilifeform drives on asphalt, and not jungle ? nfi
mircea_popescu: well... car spent one hour on asphaltless road, lost two tyres. not fucking acceptabru.
mircea_popescu: granted, the idiots here are something else -- they did everything up to but excluding the asphalt cover. an exercise in "how to spend 95% of the cost to get 3% of the benefit"
asciilifeform: the 1 item that still ~worx to spec in usa : roads. sorta like bread in ye olde su. it is a symbol of imperial 'mandate of heaven'
mircea_popescu: already crumbling at the edges.
asciilifeform: indeed
asciilifeform: always ~was~ dodgy at the edges
shinohai: Drive through rural Alabama sometimes.
mircea_popescu: at some point empire gave up on budgets ; more recently, it gave up on maintenance -- most bridges did not pass for years and now are noit even inspected anymore.
asciilifeform: but typical 'coast' amerid00d gives exactly 0 fucks what the roads, or bread, or anything , are like in oklahomistan.
asciilifeform: may as well be afganistan.
mircea_popescu: go, ask for bridge inspection records of bridge/county of your choice, be amazed.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the romans also regularly inspected, for 90% of their history, both bridges and aqueducts (not so different in ther practice, items). stopped late 300s.
asciilifeform: muchly depends where. literally few blox from asciilifeform , bridge is being recemented. and not far from there, a brand new one built.
asciilifeform: but easily can believe that in walmartfuckistan -- not inspected.
mircea_popescu: o, building they do. maintenance, not so much.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772096 << that contract is worth ~diddly squat. iirc the (utterly unimpressive) fiatola figures were quoted in log.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 21:24 asciilifeform: * all gov contracts
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly moar under the table
mircea_popescu: this is about as likely as imagining john kerry is a better dresser at home than when sardined with orcs for publicity photos.
mircea_popescu: does that ancient cretinetti still exist btw ?
asciilifeform: nfi
asciilifeform: asciilifeform doesn't get real time reportz on his desk when they croak..
mircea_popescu: his ~10 mn retirement went to a home in martha's vineyard and supposedly some memoirs to come.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772104 << they were young and stupid yet.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 21:33 trinque: if so, how did folks this corrupt build anything worth having?
mircea_popescu: there's a natural tendency to do the right thing that needs lengthy and elaborate stamping out before you get the full blown jwz.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772122 << hurr.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 21:41 asciilifeform: 'Cyber space is an increasingly risky discourse and therefore will inevitably be securitised.' << exactly what i said: usg stuffed shirt.
mircea_popescu: dude... nobody gives a shit now, ever will, or ever fucking has given a shit about your retarded usg idiocy. wake up and smell the coffee, jesus fucking christ, it's like watching imbecile african mamies with dirty bare feet and stupid headgarbs drone importantly about what-they-remember the preacher said in church.
mircea_popescu: amberglint, eh ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772185 << teh process of effervescent vitriol that passes for review here + the natural intimidatiacy result in very finely polished items, to my delight.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 22:23 amberglint: haven't had any issues with it, it's very handy
asciilifeform: in other folx who apparently had gone fullbore usgtard since i last looked : lubos motl. e.g. https://motls.blogspot.com/2018/01/korean-backlash-to-planned-bitcoin.html .
danielpbarron: !!pay Birdman 0.05
asciilifeform: https://motls.blogspot.com/2018/01/bitcoin-fans-or-foes-who-are-statists.html << moar in same vein ( for expert entomologist only )
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6s65T/?raw=true
asciilifeform: 'The ISPs and commercial banks are parts of the capitalist economy and a systemic attack against them is obviously a systemic attack against capitalism – real-world capitalism – as such. Maybe it's because my position in the formative years – I considered myself a builder of the new capitalist economy including the old-fashioned brick-and-mortar commercial banks – but I just wouldn't hesitate for a second whom I root for in t
asciilifeform: his apparent conflict between the regular banks and meaningless cryptocurrency exchanges; in the conflict between the system with regular banks that has worked for centuries and an ideologically driven replacement that isn't used in the real legal economy because it obviously cannot work well...' etc
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
asciilifeform: from his commentreplies, also gold, e.g. '...People who despise Western national fiat currencies are dirty fucked-up commies of the same kind that has plundered my country. I just won't ever support their goal, they're scum for me. Do you get it? Relatively to these important things, whether the replacement is called Ripple or Rouble is just a technicality. It's the same shit except that rouble actually works as a viable currency for
asciilifeform: the economy while Ripple or the Bitcoin doesn't.'
asciilifeform: didjaalsoknow.
asciilifeform: this d00d fills a previously-unfilled hole, gotta be , 'bitcoin as bolshevism'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very-first-time/ ?
asciilifeform: him
mircea_popescu: wasn't ever much more than alt-flavour "rational" w/e pantsuit flavour
mircea_popescu: ~same gallery as curtis yarvin & co.
asciilifeform: i had this vague memory that he used to write about physics
asciilifeform: currently ~100% usg talkingpoints re btc.
mircea_popescu: eh.
mircea_popescu: they all parasitize some topic or other. obama is a constitutional law scholar or how did it go.
asciilifeform: lolyes
mircea_popescu very much will refuse to consider random fucktards who spent 2012 going "oh, who pays for mpex seats" in the hope that "hey, i'll weasel my way back in through peripheral commentary anyway"
mircea_popescu: it's little more than a restatement of ye olde, dearest dream of all nigger, "we'll get in later anyway:"
mircea_popescu: no, you fucking wont.
mircea_popescu: but all the pretense that "today matters -- after all i was born", as if this isn't well settled 2014 fare, and http://trilema.com/2014/an-era-ends-today-a-new-era-starts-today/ never occured, and so on... he's really REALLY late to the max keiser show.
mircea_popescu: whatever, whoever is dumb enough to imagine john smith invented religion is called "ustard" for a reason.
asciilifeform: linked strictly for the flavour of crackpottery afaik not seen elsewhere, 'imaginary 1950s Greatest Generation anticommie usa' vs 'bolshevik bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: "Tony told me I was a statist because I am a critic of the Bitcoin. Tony isn't the only man who has raised this accusation."
mircea_popescu: fucking tony. to quote from recent trilema, "And obviously it will then become, suddenly and unexplainably, a "native" topic of conversation ailleurs, specifically in such ESL ailleurs as may "coincidentally" but necessarily "forget" to mention where they even discovered this may be a topic of conversation in the first place. Oy vey.."
mircea_popescu: inb4 "tony told me today something about sex with girls under 12" in another decade or so.
asciilifeform: i suspect that most of these folx are.. physiologically incapable of touching a subj that hasn't been tonywashed.
mircea_popescu: anyway. dork imagines he has some sort of cachet, exactly like orlov, exactly like all the branding idiots. what keeps eg http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aweev from productive obedience is exactly the same fundamental problem.
mircea_popescu: like the unhappy girls of usgistan, these misfortunate trannies imagine they "have the options" etc.
asciilifeform: for so long as the cheques come in the mail, d00d can imagine whatever he likes, neh
mircea_popescu: it's a cheap if useless mental trick, very substantially the same as http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-31.0-37.0 ; a certain sort of safe (ie, improductive) activity as a cover for impotence.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the "inteligentsia" as it dreams itself has meanwhile redefined intellectual discourse to equate the above wank.
mircea_popescu: it's still wank.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the cheques consisting of remarkably very little. most of these hopefuls live in the most abject poverty, made palatable to them by their idiocy and the abject poverty surrounding every aspect of their life.
mircea_popescu: but yes, broadly speaking, who has any interest in them and their flow of made for tv snacks.
asciilifeform: i have deeply nfi. for all i know motl lives in luxury.
mircea_popescu: not the parsimonious hypothesis.
asciilifeform: why does he fellate 'the west' then.
mircea_popescu: for all you know, orlov lives on a moored boat, and this dood lives in rms's quarters.
asciilifeform: typical su physics cabbie in nyc does not fellate it.
mircea_popescu: this is like asking "why does monkey shoot kalash".
mircea_popescu: it was there.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why rational behaviour would be expected, or rational explanation for misbehaviour would be demanded of items that clearly lack either agency or reflective capacity.
mircea_popescu: in what way do you feel closer to this particular item of furniture than to your own chair ?
asciilifeform: both chair and czech idjit can be modeled as mechanism.
mircea_popescu: you actually suspect motl can think in any sense different from fg plugged in can think ? why ?
asciilifeform: 'think' is not the word.
mircea_popescu: but you're not frankly sitting there and asking for explanation of perceived patterns in fg output.
mircea_popescu: he's saying the things that could be said, some fraction thereof, as a function of the possibility of saying and no more. other exactly identical items are saying other fractions, and will continue to do so. to credit this is that long discussed error, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523269☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:02 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reason there's a lot of credence in phf's perhaps harsh criticism is http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/
asciilifeform: if i observed an actual ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660274 thread ) , vs merely hallucinated -- would demand explanation yes☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 02:46 asciilifeform: but to display ~existing~ test failures in predictor-algorithm form
asciilifeform: *actual pattern
mircea_popescu: it's only a pattern as an artefact of a short section selected.
mircea_popescu: this is why on the long term they always either "delete" their blogs to start over, or else become insanely trite (and then "give up").
asciilifeform: this particular d00d has been at it for a while.
asciilifeform: dun seem to show any signs of exhaustion.
mircea_popescu: yarvin opted for the latter ; this one may be too thick to notice yet, or whatever, i've not looked.
mircea_popescu: or of saying anything useful or meaningful, either. orlov similar example, but at least he cycles the topics. one day -- expert on boats, next day -- expert on firearms, on it goes.
mircea_popescu: this schmuck apparently changed physics for bitcoin you say ? a well.
mircea_popescu: recall at some point was some pompous asshole locklin, "scientist" ? there's no end conceivable of supply. once one swallows the "always has choice" usg pill, that one becomes this. it's inescapable.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761807☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 16:27 mircea_popescu: the important point here is that there can be NO retrospective read of the history of ideas in any actual discipline that is both a) longer than epsilon and b) fails to discover the PRINCIPAL bar to discovery is personal dishonesty.
mircea_popescu: same problem manifests with the pantsuit mendacious little shits as with any larger system built on the same basis.
asciilifeform: motl is not a meat rng tho. d00d suffers from a clearly identifiable fixation, 'the west' (tm)(r) where there is a 'capitalism' (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: defined, naturally, circularly
mircea_popescu: when you say "not meat rng", how do you base this ?
mircea_popescu: because it seems to me you just said he is.
asciilifeform: because oscillator.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it ?
asciilifeform: it's an arse-mouth hose. 'west' is where 'capitalism', 'capitalism' is what they do in 'west'.
mircea_popescu: so this definitionally makes him a meat rng then ?
asciilifeform: meat oscillator.
mircea_popescu: but any implemented oscillator is a... rng ?
asciilifeform: if you like, rng with clearly visible spectral peak.
asciilifeform: it ain't an rng if i can compress the output .
asciilifeform: not one that you'd want to use as an rng, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: what is it, i don't get it. yes, but that's evidently not the interesting part nor can it. hence the original, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772909☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 02:12 mircea_popescu: this is why on the long term they always either "delete" their blogs to start over, or else become insanely trite (and then "give up").
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, he's evidently not useful. but he's not a logic gate, either. he's certainly not human. the fundamental identification/classification of "i will deliver result X through randomly chosen path each time" is... rng. at least to my mind.
asciilifeform: i meant in the sense where e.g. the clock crystal on the fg, is not itself an rng. even tho it has jitter.
asciilifeform: but yes.
asciilifeform: did not link motl as 'useful, no.
mircea_popescu: you ~use it~ as a clock crystal. but what it is... well... it's actually a rng.
asciilifeform: in the sense where my chair is rng.
mircea_popescu: your usage of it is defensible, but to declare it a clock seems a little much.
asciilifeform: ( if i knock it down, i cannot immediately say how it will fall... )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which was the source of my original, "how do you distinguish this item of furniture from your chair"
mircea_popescu: precisely so.
mircea_popescu: it's certainly ~NOT HUMAN~.
asciilifeform: motl is a loaded die tho. q is, loaded how. and does it have clinical implications for others.
mircea_popescu: if you say something to mp, you also can't immediately say what he'll respond, but this is actually interesting, as opposed to the clock jitter, mechanical jumps of chair etc.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: you can\'t say how it'll fall but you can say it won't fall a beehive.
asciilifeform: whereas when i say 'this box is oscillator' it has a rigorous meaning. it means that i can draw the spectrum, and it is peaky.
mircea_popescu can't summon the interest in the instant case, but by all means.
asciilifeform: i dunno that we actually disagree, lol
mircea_popescu: i dun think we do.
mircea_popescu: just different levels of lazy, as i'm not done with log yet and you are lol.
asciilifeform: lolk
mircea_popescu: possibly also i'm like... hey, i recall this idiocy from 2012, seriously rando just discovered bitcoin today, is retracing 2012 with all the ingenuity of virgin at the altar ? how fucking endearing, /sarcasm
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772202 << i would not go as far, theoretical physics.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 22:29 asciilifeform: aha. mircea_popescu also at one time was a maths man.
mircea_popescu: can prolly tell by the very functional-analytic and numeric methods bent ; and by the set-theoretic underlying representations.
mircea_popescu: whereas most serious math people of my generation are from topology and the rest of the doomed attempts to resurect the beauty of geometry.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, recently /me introduced briefly phuctor to whitebeard, mentioned bernstein smooth integers speedup, got very confused headshake and an invitation to point to where did this wonder happen ?! in s. n. bernstein book. "not that one, a newer one, american" "oh."
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: apparently did some work on smoothness, i had nfi, but anyway.
asciilifeform: briefly to return to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772934 , what motl and most other similar are, is precisely this : the unwanted oscillator. ever see a street lamp that flickered, on, off, on , off☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 02:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, he's evidently not useful. but he's not a logic gate, either. he's certainly not human. the fundamental identification/classification of "i will deliver result X through randomly chosen path each time" is... rng. at least to my mind.
asciilifeform: or washing machine walking across a room
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: or a defective rng. or hell knows just about every broken-but-running mechanism.
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, fg. it's how it fucking works, on, off, on...
asciilifeform: again , the diff is in the spectra.
mircea_popescu: but yes, once they invested in the aproiori fixed point, they can only walk around the room.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, one is good and the other not so good. no argument.
asciilifeform: i have yet to meet the man who ~wanted~ to be oscillator tho.
asciilifeform: it is a thing that they end up . but nobody sets out to.
mircea_popescu: every indian ever set out to, as far as i know.
asciilifeform: but folx working with contradictory priors are doomed to oscillate. at least if they're serious.
mircea_popescu: it's a very third worldy thing, to want to be the sad horse turning around the peg. so much so they actually sell this insanity here, as toys.
mircea_popescu: onward hops the plastic horse, and there's a circle of dirt under its feet on the wooden square...
asciilifeform: hey if dressed up a bit, sells just as well in usa -- arsebook 'games' etc
mircea_popescu: nepenthe, you know, the one item that was ever in true demand.
asciilifeform: 'chukcha wrote a book. we open the book: pg 1: 'man got on a horse.' pg . N : 'man got off horse' pg . 2 .. N-1 : 'tgdyk, tgdyk, tdgyk...' '
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea this is how you say horse gallop in russian. it's same in romanian too!
asciilifeform: yea holyfuq i had nfi that the 8legged 'horses' on romars also tgdyk'd !11!
mircea_popescu: tîgdîc-tîgdîc
asciilifeform: aaha.
asciilifeform: btw is it tru re the î
mircea_popescu: hm ?
asciilifeform: that the 'â turns into î when beginning or end of word' was only Officially Proclaimed in... 1990
mircea_popescu: yup.
asciilifeform: nuts.
mircea_popescu: i know.
asciilifeform: why not just ы like sane folx!11
mircea_popescu: "so as tyo make it moar latin". as fucking if, and etcetera.
asciilifeform: lol if even the english threw out their, e.g., thorn , to 'be moar latin'.
mircea_popescu: they... did.
asciilifeform: sad.
mircea_popescu: also did some stuff to be more greek...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform damn, tyou got it backwards. ~î~ is to turn into the previously never used â inside words. (previously, only usage of â was for România. but rather than JUST TAKE THE DAMNED THING OUT ALTOGETHER they ... contrived to "make use")
asciilifeform: oh hah.
mircea_popescu: for a long time the country's name was written in the japanese style, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-03#1513931☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 15:40 phf: the whole font changes meaning take two is coming from the japanese. they were actively promoting this idea back during early unicode standardization days, where there was a strong drive to include every idiosyncratic version of kanji in the standard, because "that's how my family writes it in our last name".
mircea_popescu: thje logical step was to just get rid of it altogether.
asciilifeform: surreal. gotta wonder from where the item even came.
mircea_popescu: the insanity of using two different letters for the exact same item ... but anyway.
asciilifeform: incidentally, i picked up a lulb00k from a bankrupt shop , 'молдавский язык' , chisinau , 1990 . even has 'history' intro. guess of what country, 0 mention.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2011/grafia-istorica-a-limbii-romane/ << review item depicted on right
mircea_popescu: ima guess... russia.
asciilifeform: naa
mircea_popescu: china.
asciilifeform: lolromania
mircea_popescu: noo ?!
asciilifeform: picture this.
mircea_popescu: so how do they explain stephen, afaik he's like, object of cult there.
mircea_popescu: greek originally ?
asciilifeform: martians, apparently, dropped moldavia, fully formed.
mircea_popescu: some history book.
asciilifeform: if one had to go from this book.
mircea_popescu: page 1 : moldavia isn't. page 300 : moldavia is. rest of pages...
asciilifeform: well it's a language thing.
asciilifeform: but even so.
mircea_popescu: lemme fish this thing out
asciilifeform: most preciously, in intro, 'moldavian is a language quite like other foreign languages you may have learned, such as french, spanish, italian...'
asciilifeform: not in the list : ro
asciilifeform: from pov of author, it NeverHappened..
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWcs7zoR2F8 << moldavian-made lulz on same topic.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772295 << nah, outsourcerisms.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 14:57 asciilifeform: 'The United States federal government has paid approximately half a million dollars to a private corporation to help various agencies conduct surveillance on the Bitcoin blockchain' << pretty lulzy, that's, e.g., 3 janitors, 2 clerks, 1 intern, for 1yr
asciilifeform: yea likely exactly 1 d00d, his yacht and laughter.
mircea_popescu: hey, they paid me i dun recall how many mns exactly to fuck their mit boobs, what's another fraction.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772348 << well, i'd say ok let's take it, except for the issue where we can't actually pay them.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 18:48 deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/18/datacenter-costs/ << Bingo Blog - Datacenter Costs
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's the trade situation there, can you get a pile of cash for btc locally ?
asciilifeform: bandwidth price looks near-orbital
asciilifeform: pretty sure e.g. inmarsat costs comparably
asciilifeform: and runs faster.
asciilifeform: e.g. '100/100 Mpbs Symmetric: 3037 USD monthly'
asciilifeform: i dun recall ever seeing a price like this outside of satellite market.
asciilifeform: come to think of it, maybe the sole connection to that cage ~is~ a sat ?!
asciilifeform: could emplace literally 10 boxes in heathendom for that bandwidth price alone. and with 100/100 (or greater) on each.
asciilifeform: it is possible that BingoBoingo is being gouged, similar to what the accountants tried to do ?
asciilifeform: 'we think that saheeb has much money, let's weld on a coupla zeros'
asciilifeform: or hm, possibly had already this thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740045☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 04:55 asciilifeform: i can picture the backroom convo, 'hey how many zeros can we glue to the gringo's price'
asciilifeform: tho i cannot immediately tell how it came out.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how many datacentres in uruguay ? what % have you spoken to ?
asciilifeform: all 3k/100M ?!
asciilifeform bbl,meat
trinque: BingoBoingo: latechco quoted me 700 setup, 700/mo
trinque: this btw after I ignored him for a week
mod6: megal0g
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude... first off you're looking at symmetrical for some reason, nfi why, second off no bw is free, contrary to what "cheap vps" outfits might've advertised to you and thirdly didn't we do this a few times before already ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in surreal meats, https://78.media.tumblr.com/f24f8acdb6c017b5cb3e9b0d46955a9a/tumblr_oz055l2pqA1u9uov7o1_400.gif
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo what's the trade situation there, can you get a pile of cash for btc locally ? << Looks like it. At the very worst a boat ride to sufficient liquidity.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> BingoBoingo: latechco quoted me 700 setup, 700/mo << And connectivity?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: how many datacentres in uruguay ? what % have you spoken to ? << Others have international (i.e. US) presence
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11661.79, vol: 17191.04062844 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11542.0, vol: 63783.07921758 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11710.8, vol: 6772.56030589 | Volume-weighted last average: 11578.4973687
mod6: mornin' BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: mornin mod6
shinohai: Bom Dia BingoBoingo , mod6
mod6: hey shinohai
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> Heh, curious you mention that about tires, never thought of it until now mircea_popescu, but bicycle wheels are the only place you can still get an inner tube afaik. << bicycles, motorcycles, plenty more places.
shinohai: Been a long time since I've been around motorbikes, but yes.
diana_coman: even had inner tube at pushchair wheels!
mircea_popescu: yes but before ourdemocracy,
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well ok, and what came of the bank sweep ?
BingoBoingo: The bank situation looks like it will continue to suck until a local id is in hand
mircea_popescu: that's going to be months.
BingoBoingo: Late march, yes
mircea_popescu: so either i'm misunderstanding some4thing or there's a typo in this post : 20/200 mbps (downlink/uplink) ie the server can RECEIVE 10 times as much as it can SEND ? this is backwards from practice.
BingoBoingo: I am asking if it is a typo, awaiting response.
mircea_popescu: yeah, just make sure which way the 200 goes.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "slut at the beach" fun and games, https://68.media.tumblr.com/27bd311844b8bbcc384df97d3a64b086/tumblr_omswy5mJIU1uiwcaro1_1280.jpg
shinohai: Gotta keep those private keys locked up
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: "yes server can send 10 times more than recive." << Going to have to make sure they include this language in the contract.
asciilifeform: pretty odd.
mircea_popescu: eh, it's unlikely they do it any other way. alright then, so the draft plan here is, get the rack, 900 + 900, and the 20/200 option to start with, for a total of $3223 payable i ncash which you can actually raise by going in the local market ?
BingoBoingo: That's the draft plan
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773051 << where did i say 'bw is free' or that i compare with spam vps ? trinque posted a heathendom figure of 700 ( trinque can answer when he wakes up , for what bw, i presume 100/100 ) for comparison.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 06:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude... first off you're looking at symmetrical for some reason, nfi why, second off no bw is free, contrary to what "cheap vps" outfits might've advertised to you and thirdly didn't we do this a few times before already ?
asciilifeform: why do the orcs charge >3x moar ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you're here managing trinque's quotes ?
asciilifeform: lolwat
mircea_popescu: your reference point is "trinque said". why ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is the same provider. In the numbers they are sending me 700 is 1/2 rack and no connectivity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his 700 is smaller, actually, than the last time i priced 100/100/1U in usa, was 1000+
asciilifeform: but still nowhere near 3k
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
mircea_popescu: this is a whole rack being discussed here, i dunno if you realise.
asciilifeform: as i understood, merely the pipe into rack. rack itself costs also.
asciilifeform: 'One full rack: 900 USD/month plus $900 one time set up fee' from BingoBoingo's article.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: aite, anyone wanna do the above 3.5k wire and pocket the bitcoin implied by current lulzexchange ? before i give it to rando latino via bb's meatwot.
asciilifeform: i thought BingoBoingo had no bank, can't eat wires..?
mircea_popescu: dc can.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Datacenter has bank
BingoBoingo: I will let the datacenter know we are moving forward with the whole rack 20/200 asymmetric.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, a) go sign contract ; b) did you actually get to see our rack yet ? if not now's the time to insist ; c) explain to them that money's coming in coming week one way or another, iirc they understand why ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Z3bjP/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: I have seen the hall, the rack, the UPS, etc. Will meet with them and make sure nothing has been overlooked.
asciilifeform: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11631.59, vol: 16447.17098151 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11550.0, vol: 58841.69988427 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11640.0, vol: 6551.18386701 | Volume-weighted last average: 11573.6012944
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zVTnR/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dun worry about it ; sign the contract, explain about the cash, all is well. what gear did you have physically present i forget ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UwYqB/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 1 network switch with 48 ports and 1 1U server box
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo send me the dc wire details btw.
BingoBoingo: Will do, and I will check to see if these numbers are 22% VAT inclusive or if I missed that again.
mircea_popescu: aite.
asciilifeform: in other noose, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051&cpage=1#comment-18804 << >> http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/06a-ffa-ch4-puzzle.html
asciilifeform: ^ possibly oughta be included in rss ? mircea_popescu , trinque ?
asciilifeform: !#seen spyked
a111: 2017-11-22 <spyked> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yVbXl/?raw=true <-- most of it is config.sub and config.guess. two lines at the end may fix shinohai's troubles. anyway, I'ma post the whole thing (w3m+gc+js+whatever else) once I manage to do a static build.
mircea_popescu: yeh where did he disappear!
asciilifeform: he's been following ffa, doing the homeworkz
mircea_popescu: pretty cool.
asciilifeform: by all indications, a quiet, listeny/thinky sorta fella.
asciilifeform: iirc ro
mircea_popescu: yep
asciilifeform: hey spyked ! i like your summary of the calc ops.
asciilifeform: i'ma link to this item.
asciilifeform: d00d very definitely read his ch1-4.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in weird spams, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/R3Ba9/?raw=true
asciilifeform: 'Factura Electrónica Costa Rica'
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773054 << let you know as soon as they come back with that part.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 14:34 BingoBoingo: <trinque> BingoBoingo: latechco quoted me 700 setup, 700/mo << And connectivity?
trinque: but you're welcome to say "trinque is interested in renting rackspace through me. why was he given a different quote?"
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773080 << full rack setup only, and monthly rack rental☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 15:50 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773051 << where did i say 'bw is free' or that i compare with spam vps ? trinque posted a heathendom figure of 700 ( trinque can answer when he wakes up , for what bw, i presume 100/100 ) for comparison.
asciilifeform: aa hm
asciilifeform: trinque: what did the pipe cost, then
trinque: anyhow, just trying to help haggle. who doesn't like to squeeze the vendors
trinque: asciilifeform: awaiting that part of the quote, will let all know
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: http://thetarpit.org/archive.html << pretty great stuff. he even reviews what happens to be some of asciilifeform's favourite msdos-era gamez.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "the only truly random element in anyone's life is the order in which they experience things", http://78.media.tumblr.com/f09fc86dd79e041224633ac76ff69c76/tumblr_odtsq9ndCF1u5m4kqo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: that's a rented 'ford' 150, i recognize the cardboard on the key
asciilifeform: ( certain american truck rental co , but they all attach massive dongle to keyring, so as harder to lose, or so is the idea )
trinque: lol @ old bitch killjoy
mircea_popescu: joy doth not appeared to be killed any ; but the "hey, things that occur must conform to my mental model" look on old hag's face is fucking typical.
mod6: lol
shinohai: This was actually a good piece too: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/069-on-intellectual-ownership.html
shinohai: Guy does write good stuff.
asciilifeform: plenty of it, aha
mircea_popescu: incidentally, there's an evident join here : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-18#1772670 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1759127 are evidently the same item. have a comment format for it and bam, project philosophy file with press history.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 23:36 mircea_popescu: what literate code is all about, nothing keeps you from putting a philosophy.preamble file in there.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 04:45 mircea_popescu: genesis.manifest
mircea_popescu: but meanwhile in slave duties, http://78.media.tumblr.com/7c31e397d3ac50524fdd842602f80269/tumblr_oj7tx8hISy1v5lmbwo4_400.gif http://78.media.tumblr.com/58e528f5aee80802a8a488ba74359710/tumblr_oj7tx8hISy1v5lmbwo2_400.gif http://78.media.tumblr.com/80fc8337cd3f77076b4be28bc8ebd9b2/tumblr_oj7tx8hISy1v5lmbwo3_400.gif an' so on.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to snarf seals from http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/v/ , ty
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !~reputation spyked
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "reputation" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: !!reputation spyked
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wDywz/?raw=true
asciilifeform: oh hm!
asciilifeform: !!rate spyked 2 maths; reader
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8WhIt/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !!v 24E1A833BE0BD6D8938A35DD7AD3B771D3A0B39AA5EBA90A24C14975CDF62E9B
deedbot: asciilifeform rated spyked 2 << maths; reader
mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked "Note that this article is not meant to replace the actual thing. If you want to understand FFA properly, go read FFA. And just so that we understand each other, that DeGrasse Tyson guy is an imbecile" << no links ? what did links ever do to you!
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked hey, does your tarpit not send pingbacks or is there some error ? what's the response if you say curl -v -A "Mozilla/5.0" -r 0-4096 --connect-timeout 30 --max-time 10 "http://www.dianacoman.com/xmlrpc.php" --header "Content-Type: text/xml" --data "<?xmlversion="1.0"?><methodCall><methodName>pingback.ping</methodName><params><param><value><string>http://trilema.com/2017/re-reading-is-the-most-powerful-tool/
mircea_popescu: </string></value></param><param><value><string>http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/069-on-intellectual-ownership.html</string></value> from a terminal ?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: * bitcoinvixen (~ofoats@ool-ad028efc.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #trilema << lol, some folx never give up
shinohai: Well, ben_vulpes has given it every opportunity to speak/defend position. Now deserves scammorz tag.
trinque: contacting the guy's work, mother, etc., is not defensible
mircea_popescu: nor effectual.
trinque: nnnope
mircea_popescu: kinda what tranny-ism, as a pars pro toto representative of pantsuitism, is all about : an undefensible pile of ineffectual bullshit.
phf: asciilifeform: updated
asciilifeform: ty phf
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta wonder why it picked ben_vulpes in particular
phf: his 4th sig is non plaintext by the way, i threw it in since the eater ate, but this probably should be an anti-policy
phf: ^ spyked
asciilifeform: non plaintext ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc/seal/spyked
asciilifeform: aaa
asciilifeform: yea definitely Not Right Thing
asciilifeform: he forgot -a flag
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz there's no evident link from trinque to michael trinque for idiots who don't understand what gpg is, too lazy to click to your blog or read enough log to see stanislav, there's ~nothing "interesting" on mircea popescu besides a bunch of butthurt idiots complaining of ~same nonsense, and so on.
asciilifeform: this prompted me to try the 'googleate own name' exercise. hilarious snoar, as always. finds 1) my www 2) buncha folx who are not related to me in any way i know of 3) lame softwarepatent from a defunkt slaveship i used to row on 4) bitcoin-otc
mircea_popescu: google is not particularly useful these days.
asciilifeform: not as if this used to work, or anyffin
mircea_popescu: in any case -- as long as 1) "own www", the whole approach just failed.
asciilifeform: noshit.txt
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11250.0, vol: 15608.93095543 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11157.0, vol: 56232.58752539 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11303.0, vol: 6111.48999418 | Volume-weighted last average: 11187.0682188
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773183 << I dunno if 'interesting' was der Unterschied here; I'd wager it was more: "$realname1 appears to live outside of normal pantsuit spirit summoning range.. I'll try $realname2". Note this was -after- failing at summoning pantsuit spirit to #trilema itself☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 19:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz there's no evident link from trinque to michael trinque for idiots who don't understand what gpg is, too lazy to click to your blog or read enough log to see stanislav, there's ~nothing "interesting" on mircea popescu besides a bunch of butthurt idiots complaining of ~same nonsense, and so on.
asciilifeform: lobbes: prolly.
asciilifeform: and i have this notion that this is the n-th, not 1st or even 2nd case of the pathology. but for some reason can't immediately find in the logs the others.
mircea_popescu: oh, you mean other than the "i have my spurious "bitcoin is scamming" verbiage all over reddit " guy ?
asciilifeform: was thinking specifically of the inept meatspace 'detectives'
asciilifeform: i dun think i have enuff bits in my registers, to count the reddit scumola
mircea_popescu: how about you know, truly ancient lulz, anyone recall tiberius angry canadian dood ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-04-30#8131☝︎
a111: Logged on 2013-04-30 18:42 tiberiusiv: ;;tell mircea_popescu you are a fraud and a scammer
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: gave impression of elaborate trollism tho
mircea_popescu: kinda unavoidable.
ben_vulpes: ah good lolz
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder the rape accusations aren't flowing, come to think of it.
mircea_popescu: what, am i to surmise we're not as cool as snowden and strauss-kahn ? or rather that the empire sunk to such a depth it is not even capable of finding mendacious prostitutes/chambermaids anymore ?
asciilifeform: i suppose those are scarce, rationed, these days. like car bomb.
asciilifeform: reminds me of convo -- pet: 'why you have not been gassed yet' asciilifeform : 'prolly queued' pet : 'like for buying car in su'
lobbes: !~bash 4
jhvh1: Last 4 lines bashed and pending publication
mircea_popescu: my god these people, when they're on point they're on point. 4 new tyres + 5 new pneumatic tubes, off and emplaced, alligned and everything, like 20 minutes including the drive there.
mircea_popescu: it's such a pleasure to see half a dozen people work as a team without needing to blather.
shinohai: !~later tell asciilifeform Is possible to operate fg from pogoplug using usb-to-serial cable?
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: shinohai: sure, why not
shinohai: It is most definitely NOT showing up as /dev/ttyUSB* though
asciilifeform: shinohai: there's a 5v ttl serialport in there, too, if yer willing to solder
asciilifeform: shinohai: gotta build kernel that knows about the dongle
shinohai: I knew of straight serial port, will have to buy solder
asciilifeform: or alternatively, use dongle that the kernel knows about
shinohai: This kernel has the pl2303 driver
asciilifeform: shinohai: see diana_coman's find
asciilifeform: it's a 'alt' pl2303
shinohai: dmesg gives me [1919018.574318] usb 2-2: new full-speed USB device number 5 using xhci_hcd
shinohai: oh ok
asciilifeform: !#s pl2303
a111: 24 results for "pl2303", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pl2303
mircea_popescu: there's a subtle difference in drivers ; both claim to be the same one but are not
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735820☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 10:14 diana_coman: for the curious there are in fact 2 prolific-stamped documents describing pl2303 and pl2303x; pl2303x seems to be a sort of upgrade to 64bits but why couldn't it be properly identified as distinct I don't know
asciilifeform: finest chinesium
shinohai: phf is absolutely correct here: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-10-20#225428☝︎
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting for anybody to suggest a pill.
shinohai: Well that appears to be issue >>> bMaxPacketSize0 64