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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805229 << yes, the idea is to develop that one item into the complete story for client writers.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 19:28 phf: diana_coman: is the protocol the entirety of documentation for client writers or there's more stuff in the pipeline?
mircea_popescu: so be as minutious as you'd like.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805245 << if it's something i can gift to newbies and it'll allow them to gpg ; and not very expensive ; probably.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 23:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman , et al, other folx who travel -- i'd like to get a picture of whether there is 'market' in l1/l2 for a pre-engentooated ( laugh at the laddel-ism, but it promises to be a somewhat painful process involving crocodile and eeprom writer ) 'c101pa' rockchip lappy .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's starvation-cheap. sorta the appeal. 1 to 2 hundy usd
asciilifeform: and made in , seems, gigantic numbers
asciilifeform: ( i saw'em at civilian electronics stores over here )
mircea_popescu: i'd buy some, give the visiting sluts. sorta like the titbits thing.
asciilifeform: better gift than crapple, verily
asciilifeform: thing has all of the (few) virtues of the crapple (e.g. 9 hrs on battery, 16 days of suspend , charge from usb ) , and , in principle, none of the barfology
mircea_popescu: atm i'm not really doing that ; but for more respectable cut of girlmeat there's ye olde ibms.
asciilifeform: theoretically has moar horse than asciilifeform's beloved x60 , even
asciilifeform: ( picture, 6-core arm64 )
mircea_popescu: basically acquisition order would switch from "send plane ticket" to "send plane ticket + gpgstation".
asciilifeform: there is afaik no adult rng on board ( in what, exactly, is there one ? ) but it has usb socket for FG; and the typical shit webcam for gurl-powered rng in principle.
asciilifeform: ( webcam built into lid )
mircea_popescu: the plane ticker fuzz factor is 1-200 anyways.
mircea_popescu: ticket*
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does eulora run on arm64 ? ( or, perhaps better q, does it contain any gnarly x86-specific asm )
mircea_popescu: you mean the client ?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: ( not suggesting to put ~server~ on arm, lol )
mircea_popescu: it can use w/e the fuck you want it to use.
mircea_popescu: extant item slated for replacement anyways, hence all the protocol talk.
asciilifeform: in principle you could, then, put even eulora, on the c101.
asciilifeform: ( believe or not, thing seems to contain some sort of 3d gpu )
asciilifeform: painfully small display, tho, at least for grown man's eyes
BingoBoingo: Anything over 10 pulgadas is fine
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, amusingly, no further than today walking through town i was explaining to girl the source and meaning of pulgada
mircea_popescu: (as "that length of knife blade that hurts but doesn't seriously injure, obtained by holding the instrument a certain way so the thumb covers the blade". PRISON SLANG!)
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo wonders what gabriel_laddel is up to, and how the foot is.
asciilifeform: hey trinque -- or other serious sqlist -- around ?
asciilifeform: i have a puzzler.
asciilifeform: i have a proggy which wants to select * from moduli where idx not in (select distinct unnest(mods) from factors) ; but this runs in geological time. for no afaik good reason.
asciilifeform: is it possible to rewrite this so that postgres doesn't do the retarded thing that it evidently does ( this being, to compute the mods in the () , again and again FOR EVERY ROW in moduli )
asciilifeform: blew hours on this, with no result.
asciilifeform: ( all i want above, is to produce a select of all unphuctored moduli. )
asciilifeform: for completeness of picture, 'mods' is a column in factors, which contains indices of moduli (in 'moduli' table) that said factor is a factor of.
phf: with tmp as (select distinct unnest(mods) from factors) select * from moduli where idx not in tmp;
asciilifeform goes to try this..
asciilifeform: eggog
asciilifeform: ERROR: syntax error at or near "tmp"
asciilifeform: LINE 1: ...ds) from factors) select * from moduli where idx not in tmp;
asciilifeform: i suspect this dunwork on postgres ?
phf: oh i suppose with tmp as (select distinct unnest(mods) as mods from factors) select * from moduli where idx not in (select mods from tmp);
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, temp table neh.
asciilifeform: phf: looks like STILL geological
phf: hmm, poop
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, build the actual table and do a join then.
asciilifeform: lit suggests that 'not in' operation in postgres is pathologically slow
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ludicrously slow
asciilifeform: needs to run in-place.
mircea_popescu: you will soon discover your heavily recursive way of thinking is deeply inadequate for the strengths and useful work of a db ; which may explain why you've not been looking into them to this advanced age.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually 'looked in' plenty, and always run into this nonsense
asciilifeform: i.e. idiocy that is not in any way implicit in the mathematical structure of the underlying primitives (e.g. btree) but comes from agglomeration of programmers dropped as children
asciilifeform: implementing sqltrons
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the inept way in which postgress handles this case is why mysql still official db for mp-wp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does 'in ...' run at same speed as 'not in ...' in mysql ?
mircea_popescu: just about.
asciilifeform: nifty.
mircea_popescu: now to be clear, it has other issues.
asciilifeform: sadly my whole orchestra is firmly cemented into postgres..
asciilifeform: ( and if it were to finally rewrite it, i'd ditch sqlism forever and entirely, like a bad dream )
mircea_popescu: which is why i never proposed you move.
asciilifeform: phf your query's been running since you gave it to me, but produced sadly 0 output
mircea_popescu: but anyway. if your proggy includes a db you will have to ~DESIGN~ for the db.
phf: hah
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right, it is designed for ( what i know of ) the db, and thereby lacks many knobs that i'd dearly like to have
mircea_popescu: well evidently not enough, unroll the not-in thing.
asciilifeform: how wouldja unroll this ?
asciilifeform: this was the q to begin with
asciilifeform: so far errything i tried, gives same result ( query that promises to run in months, rather than the allotted ~halfhr)
phf: asciilifeform: other option is to do a left outer join, and then filter by nulls, but i'm trying to recreate the exercise at home so that we're not doing tedious roundtrip through irc
trinque: except operator might be faster than "not in"
mircea_popescu: phf, it's what i suggested, he said it's just as slow
mircea_popescu: (andf said it too fast to have tried it)
asciilifeform: trinque, mircea_popescu : how would this look in the given item ?
asciilifeform rereads log, possibly missed sumthing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought your algo involved a temporary table
asciilifeform: ( 'build the table and do join' )
mircea_popescu: no, that was his previous suggestion. what i mean by ACTUAL is that you don't use tmp
mircea_popescu: but instead actually build the table you're trying to not-in, and do a join operation.
asciilifeform: this is ruinously expensive when the dataset is 10s of GB.
mircea_popescu: yes dood, that's why i said what i said re your way of thinking.
asciilifeform: what am i missing, does mircea_popescu know of another way of thinking, that actually solves the problem with the available tooling at reasonable cost ?
mircea_popescu: a db is a good tool for pre-given solutions for some kinds of problems. it is not a tool for implementing arbitrary expressivity.
trinque: asciilifeform: what's the shape of *
mircea_popescu: it's the anti-lisp.
phf: mircea_popescu: maybe try this with foo as (select distinct unnest(mods) as mod from factors) select * from moduli left outer join foo on module.idx = foo.mod where foo.mod is null;
asciilifeform: ( reasonably cost being, 0 writes )
asciilifeform: trinque: what do you mean 'shape of'
mircea_popescu: phf, i expect it'll still re-calc the temp on every pass.
trinque: asciilifeform: what are the cols there that you want
asciilifeform: phf: eggog, missing FROM-clause entry for table "module" LINE 1: ...tors) select * from moduli left outer join foo on module.idx...
mircea_popescu: that's the only available juice to squeeze there, communicate to the engine that your db is slow, the tmp doesn't move. and you do this by not making it a tmp.
asciilifeform: trinque: all of them.
trinque: lol yes, that's what star means
asciilifeform: i still don't grasp why the everliving fuck a 'not in ...' should be any slower than an 'in ....'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, incidentally, your joins are all indexed yes ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure that the problem is the recalculate, i think the problem is actually not in in combination with temp calculate
mircea_popescu: phf, possibly, i'm not really THAT close to the core of that beast.
asciilifeform: ( naturally there are more results, by factor of 1,000 , in the 'not in ....', but outputting all 9+ mil mods from db without ~any~ filtration, takes about 7min )
trinque: asciilifeform: you know of "explain" ?
trinque: and how to read it?
phf: asciilifeform: oh there's a type
phf: *typo
phf: with foo as (select distinct unnest(mods) as mod from factors) select * from moduli left outer join foo on moduli.idx = foo.mod where foo.mod is null;
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, " select * from moduli where idx not in (select distinct unnest(mods) from factors)" << 1.make a new table ; 2.run "select distinct unnest(mods) from factors" and dump the result into this new table ; 3. index it by idx ; 4. run your select as an outer join between moduli and the new table.
asciilifeform sets stopwatch...
asciilifeform: i do. not. want. to. write. to. disk.
asciilifeform: entirely sinks the thing.
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
trinque: I'm backing away. asking us to optimize a query in isolation for you without the explain and knowing nothing of your schema is ridiculous
phf: you can keep from writing to disk by doing a materialized view. do a materialized view for your temp query, and then run second query against it. that would be my last resort though
asciilifeform: trinque: i'ma stop polluting, at this point, the logs, and solve the problem programmatically outside of the abjectly retarded sqltron
trinque: harumph!
mircea_popescu: the only way out is if he ever gives up trying to ask sql for lisp support and instead writes his python around the sql like god meant it.
asciilifeform: because it looks like sql is simply a 1970s ms winblowz, infinite font of unspeakable horror
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this'd be in the actual cruncher, a c proggy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, dude. it's a tool. like a steamroller. it does the following thing well : if you have cans, it makes them flat.
trinque: nobody's here to defend sql to you, fucks sake
mircea_popescu: it does nothing else. it doesn't impress chicks, it doesnm't win speed contests, it's not a car.
trinque: you came in asking for help with the one you already stuck dick in.
mircea_popescu: it's a piece of industrial machinery.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if not too many cans, and compass points in just the right direction and planets aligned...
mircea_popescu: notrly, as evidenced by your 10gb dataset.
mircea_popescu: just don't expect any backing to it for recursive elegance. it dun have what with.
phf: asciilifeform: is the original query faster than the most last rewrite? asking for personal enlightenment
mircea_popescu: backing from it*
asciilifeform: oh hey, phf's algo appears to work
asciilifeform: nao all i gotta do is find out why...
asciilifeform: ty phf !
mircea_popescu: because he's doing what i told you to do discreetely.
mircea_popescu: which i must grant he's very good at.
asciilifeform: interestingly, phf's algo worx from cmdline but not from PQexec("....")
asciilifeform: ( where it returns nil )
phf: huh
asciilifeform: ikr!
phf: perhaps try select * from moduli left outer join (select distinct unnest(mods) as mod from factors) as foo on moduli.idx = foo.mod where foo.mod is null
phf: but there's only so few rabbis i can pull out of a hat
asciilifeform: ah what i needed was 'select mod from ...' and so ends up with 'column reference 'mod' is ambiguous'
asciilifeform: amazing, how many old rusty razors this steamroller has randomly glued to the controls, to the seat, to the floor...
asciilifeform found , seems , a working formulation, set up experiment...
asciilifeform: ty phf , trinque , mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: no, by all means, i like watching the "alf encounters technology" hour :D
phf: i treat the exercise as a chinese room wired to explosives. making a mistake elevates danger level, passage of time elevates danger level, there's a random factor when it's going to blow anyway, etc.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: but at least he's not militantly howeveritwent.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz from the eternal lulzer, http://fortune.com/2018/02/27/apple-steve-wozniak-bitcoin-theft/
douchebag: lolol
mod6: Lords and Ladies of the Republic, I present to this chamber my findings on the Raw Transactions Back-Port Exercise: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000297.html
mod6: I am currently in the early stages of next steps; re-implementation within the existing framework. More to come on that front as I have updates.
phf: heh, main changes in recent versions of slime: additions of mezzano interaction (lisp "operating system"), but the lulzy part additions of large variety of deprecation errors and warnings.
mod6: who needs those!
phf: ah apparently deprecation "framework" exists in sbcl since 1.0.50..
mircea_popescu: how exactly does this work, something can "deprecate" in lisp ?
mircea_popescu: i thought it had a standards document and everything.
phf: anything that's not covered by standard, but is available in the implementation, like threading
phf: though sbcl found a way to fuck with the standard do, using style warnings (ambiguity in the standard can be encouraged in a specific direction along the "mktemp is unsafe!1" lines)
trinque: mod6: I've got a sendrawtxn patch sitting over here
trinque: got one that rips out the noui.h idiocy too, and a few others that need finishing before I fork a walletless trb
trinque: (got the walletless patch too; trb node on pizarro is walletless)
trinque: I'm blocked on not having the manifest, so next on my plate is to regrind every patch with a manifest entry.
trinque: mod6: what was wrong with polarbeard's exactly? my patch is more or less his.
phf: trinque: there wasn't anything wrong with polarbeard's patches in general, he just happened to be doing his work when there was a lot of regrinds going on in the tree and after third time he was asked to regrind he decided he had enough and quit
trinque: ah too bad
mod6: Yeah, nothing really wrong there I suppose, as stated, basically undertook the exercise as "educational". Just to see what could be done.
mod6: I've been working a bit further on my own, seeing how it could be done by what exists. I should look back at polarbeards stuff too.
mod6: but hey hey! trinque: if you're sitting on some patches for this, please send along when you get the manifest part working.
trinque: yeah sure will.
mod6: re: polarbeard is right, guy simply isn't in the wot (afaik), so partly, I'm trying to solution on my own without polluting my path too much.
mircea_popescu: phf, wasn;t actually three times was it ?
mod6: bah. *re: polarbeard, phf is right...
mircea_popescu: he made one megapatch, people were like "yeah, nice, now split it out in bits" ; he tried but didn't find a ready way to do it and kinda went silent.
trinque: mod6: "patch exists" is no reason to not go exploring on your own
trinque: for sure
mod6: That said, it doesn't make a ton of sense to be off tilting at wind-mills if there are already reasonable solutions.
trinque: the wallet rm -rf is something of a megapatch, but at least mostly redlining.
mod6: So im trying to balance all that a bit.
mod6: trinque: werd.
trinque: I don't expect to make that one mainline "trb" though, unless somewhere down the line somebody also breaks off script.cpp into a tx compiler, breaks off a signer, etc
trinque will keep the spatchcocking to his own blog for now
mod6: sure, you're doing good work. looking forward to your submissions when ready.
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aiEVS/?raw=true << sneak peek of walletsnip. (warning, likely intermingled with other patches, not for any use, etc)
phf: mircea_popescu: he had one megapatch that i remember being somewhat controversial, it's the one where he reworked the logging facility, but the other two look reasonably small (rm unused functions and add sendrawtransaction rpc). i remember there being some issues with asciilifeform_malleus_mikehearnificarum and asciilifeform-programmable-versionstring that required at least two regrinds, which was around the time he was working on his.
mircea_popescu: but in the general i suppose polarbeard's adventure is kinda illustrative of YET ANOTHER failure mode of personal heroics. besides the "lalala i can't hear" style there's apparently also the "oh, who has time for small steps, i'ma make huge contributions as a virtual unknown".
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: I've got a sendrawtxn patch sitting over here << actually, i should mention that i /did/ create a trb sendrawtransaction (just this one rpc call) vpatch late last year, but never sent -- really wanted the rest of the gang 'create', 'sign', etc.
mircea_popescu: phf, a yeah, there was some of that too, it's coming back to me now.
trinque: mod6: yeah makes sense. not much use by itself without.
mod6: yup.
phf: yeah, it was a combination of factors. his logging facility patch received a lot of criticism, though i now regret voicing mine. it's a bit of a bike shed problem, everyone has their own idea of how to do it "right", but it's not done to this day.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mod6: phf: this is a solid point. I think everyone wants their own way of logging/logging statements.
mircea_popescu: goes right back to the problem of the unknown. i CAN shoot down bikeshedding if i know the person. i can't if they're unknown, because then it's legitimate part of dogs sniffing butts getting to know each other.
mod6: One vpatch that is looking pretty nice is ben_vulpes's logging sub-string chop chop.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah.
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NweRz/?raw=true << polarbeard_better_log_messages.vpatch reposted from shithub, for posteriority
phf: or you know http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_better_log_messages
trinque: oh whoops
phf: also http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_add_sendrawtransaction_rpc
trinque: I forgot you had the wandering patches too.
mod6: thx for posting the links gentlemen.
phf: aha, it's either in experimental or in deprecated
trinque: long day, little sleep. spent the morning directing movers.
phf: !!key polarbeard
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/3db7d131fe4fff3ca6bbac3011cc9042929d3682.asc
phf: also 2016-01-17
trinque: to digress, one of the guys called the porch a "pollo" and I swear he was fucking with me.
trinque: after that, he says his computer didn't work (hey, you're a computer guy, right?) and showed me a picture of a dell laptop docking station, so who knows. maybe he goes out and drinks beer on his chicken
douchebag: !drink-beer-on-chicken
mircea_popescu: pivapollo
trinque: what's that mean?
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/072ECA8C1F9304988F62531F1A8EE157D49BD61F04CB7733DC3837402628FA96 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1248...7653 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.13.28 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.13.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE HE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D681AE14C7C11C938C785738A794228A1507D33261DE7421D16571566DCC42AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2104...9369 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.232.217.40 (ssh-rsa key from 80.232.217.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown LV)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BC5E3C9850D306301F23F8696D897F052AA8DAC59C95AAE9BF58FB5734B0C50 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1476...3239 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.250.142.222 (ssh-rsa key from 87.250.142.222 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (routed.by.netground.nl. NL)
phf: pivo and pollo mexican russian fusion food odessa, tx
trinque: ahaha, https://dictionary.reverso.net/spanish-english/pavipollo
trinque: I got got
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: "Odessa is a city in western Texas. Downtown, Jack Ben Rabbit is an 8-foot-tall statue of a jackrabbit. "
mircea_popescu: if anything screams "deserted midwest" more than these "tall statue" shenanigans...
mircea_popescu: someone somewhere has like... a very large pitchfork or something. "town attraction" "why, because you folk spend too long in the sun ?"
phf: well it's the world's LARGEST jackrabbit, so ya gotta see it!
mircea_popescu: kinda the same mental process that impels doods to save their largest booger.
mircea_popescu: "As in many municipalities, some of the largest employers are in the education, government, and healthcare industries."
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: totallynotaponzi.jpg
mod6: I went through midland/odessa once, didn't stop. Kept foot on gas.
mod6: "This is the birthplace of First Lady Laura Bush!" ... zoooooom
mod6: That day I think I set a PR for furthest driven in one single day: OKC->Dallas->El Paso->Tucson
trinque: lots of oil out there; only real reason to go
mod6: yeah, i remember smelling it in the air.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805245 <- for the light+clean gentoo factor I'd buy one but I can't say I see atm a case for buying a lot of them☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 23:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman , et al, other folx who travel -- i'd like to get a picture of whether there is 'market' in l1/l2 for a pre-engentooated ( laugh at the laddel-ism, but it promises to be a somewhat painful process involving crocodile and eeprom writer ) 'c101pa' rockchip lappy .
mircea_popescu: is that a pun ?
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805483 <-- oh, youmeanlike https://imgur.com/a/6d5Atjc ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:27 mircea_popescu: someone somewhere has like... a very large pitchfork or something. "town attraction" "why, because you folk spend too long in the sun ?"
diana_coman: lol, unintended!
spyked: the biggest win point is imho the chair they placed there: "please sir, to admire this fine fork"
mod6: Mornin' TMSR~
asciilifeform: !Q later tell spyked http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295&cpage=1#comment-19403
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805475 << lol somehow nobody but me noticed the bug. i fixed it this morning, all that remains is to clean the crapola from the db, will do this after backup☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:18 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D681AE14C7C11C938C785738A794228A1507D33261DE7421D16571566DCC42AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2104...9369 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.232.217.40 (ssh-rsa key from 80.232.217.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown LV)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805494 << i can't picture who ( other than mircea_popescu in his described possible use case ) would need more than 1 ( or perhaps 2, 1 as a spare )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 06:27 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805245 <- for the light+clean gentoo factor I'd buy one but I can't say I see atm a case for buying a lot of them
asciilifeform: original q was 'is this worth doing at all'
asciilifeform: ( possibly also it is better to have folx purchase the raw material locally, and flash the rom themselves ? )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805426 << not quite how i remember it. d00d was demonstrably inadherent to the concept of vpatch hygiene , persisted with creation of shithub-style megaturds☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 03:53 phf: trinque: there wasn't anything wrong with polarbeard's patches in general, he just happened to be doing his work when there was a lot of regrinds going on in the tree and after third time he was asked to regrind he decided he had enough and quit
asciilifeform: he didn't seem to grasp the notion that the patches are meant to be read and understood.
asciilifeform: and gotta narrowly focus on subject, rather than 'hey look i turned 17 knobs at once'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805447 << exactly that. iirc he said nothing at all re own biography, on top of it all.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:01 mircea_popescu: but in the general i suppose polarbeard's adventure is kinda illustrative of YET ANOTHER failure mode of personal heroics. besides the "lalala i can't hear" style there's apparently also the "oh, who has time for small steps, i'ma make huge contributions as a virtual unknown".
asciilifeform: !#born polarbeard
a111: 2016-01-22 <polarbeard> hi
a111: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-22#1381744
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805414 << mezzano seems -- since i last looked -- to be almost enuff to make an actual workstation os out of , if anybody bothered to get hold of a e.g. apu1 with sage snake and tailor it properly to the iron☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 03:25 phf: heh, main changes in recent versions of slime: additions of mezzano interaction (lisp "operating system"), but the lulzy part additions of large variety of deprecation errors and warnings.
asciilifeform: i could be wrong about this, did not dig in deeply
asciilifeform: ( there doesn't appear to be a self-eating compiler in'ere... )
asciilifeform: ( lives -- yes -- on shithub; https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano/tree/master/drivers << all he's got in the way of iron )
asciilifeform: spoiler: rtl8168 nic, possibly the vmware version thereof; and intel's sound card.
asciilifeform: ( last thread iirc re subj : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544064 << see also. )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 16:40 asciilifeform: and the hardware ~is~ shit. boot up one of these (if you can actually get it to boot.) and say hello to 1 fps graphics, disks without dma (you don't know what these feel like until trying personally), nic that works when the moon is full strictly, etc.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FBE9CAAEB56006891661FBC0C2AEC1BCC7580E89A6EE8AA23C0ED6DA820D46C2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1509...8807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '160.80.105.2 (ssh-rsa key from 160.80.105.2 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IT RM 62)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/282A739B467BDDEDDAE8B492C5867C45724562DAE71039CB18971F5CB821090D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1509...8807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '130.184.6.111 (ssh-rsa key from 130.184.6.111 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US AR)
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/25/racism-in-pigeons/ << Bingo Blog - Racism In Pigeons
BingoBoingo: !!Up trinax
deedbot: trinax voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/04/25/remedial-skills-camera-walk-rtfm-edition/ << Bingo Blog - Remedial Skills: Camera Walk RTFM Edition
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, sure it's worth doing at all. you need >1 per agent, what.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma put it in the queue then. ( machine per se, came in last night )
asciilifeform: physically impressive thing, almost small enuff to conceal under clothing
mircea_popescu: lol ro embassy.
asciilifeform: ( about 1cm thick )
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this guy. "lawn colored bird" "rock colored bird".
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously, most hoppable fence of them all so far. Except well, Panama but they don't have a fence at all. Front door opens into the street.
phf: asciilifeform: i would be pleasantly surprised if the machine can have a blobless video/wifi
mircea_popescu: yes well, not everyone's an asshole. i don't recall the last time someone came up with the idea of assaulting ro embassies.
asciilifeform: phf: whole spark of asciilifeform's interest in the '101' was that it has marvell wifi chip (on usb) and apparently nonaccelerated 2d worx with standard kernel
asciilifeform: unlike the chromenintendo i experimented on in 2013
BingoBoingo still finding new embassies.
asciilifeform: phf: machine seems to be something quite like the pizarro rockchip board but with screen,kbd,battery
mod6: Nice pics BingoBoingo, funny comments too
BingoBoingo: mod6: ty
BingoBoingo: Still need a lot more practice
phf: asciilifeform: aha, i figured as much, idle curiosity about where the hardware boundaries lie. we'll find out soon enough!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/joes-enthusiasm/ << Trilema - Joe's enthusiasm
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/german-jews-warned-to-wear-alternate-headgear-to-avoid-violence/ << Qntra - German Jews Warned To Wear Alternate Headgear To Avoid Violence
mircea_popescu: aaahahahaa
ben_vulpes: who could have predicted!!1
mircea_popescu: such a good thing five successive generations of nulands did in germany.
mircea_popescu: it's always a good idea to listen to "the experts".
BingoBoingo: 4srs
mircea_popescu: in other random, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arJlvynifMc
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-25#1805502 <-- o hey, tyvm!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 14:21 asciilifeform: !Q later tell spyked http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295&cpage=1#comment-19403
lobbesbot: spyked: Sent 6 hours and 7 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295&cpage=1#comment-19403
asciilifeform: spyked: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295&cpage=1#comment-19407
mircea_popescu: but in other good news, trilema discovered the fastest reader alive : http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/#comment-125468
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/072ECA8C1F9304988F62531F1A8EE157D49BD61F04CB7733DC3837402628FA96 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1008...7769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.13.28 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.13.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE HE)
mircea_popescu: hey phf can i get a count of words / day in my loglines ?
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BC5E3C9850D306301F23F8696D897F052AA8DAC59C95AAE9BF58FB5734B0C50 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1349...8697 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.250.142.222 (ssh-rsa key from 87.250.142.222 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (routed.by.netground.nl. NL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D681AE14C7C11C938C785738A794228A1507D33261DE7421D16571566DCC42AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1434...9433 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.232.217.40 (ssh-rsa key from 80.232.217.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown LV)
mod6: !!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4JgmI/?raw=true
deedbot: accepted: 1
trinque: ugh, shame on me. that was running in a tmux
trinque: massive uptime has its upsides and down
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0FC58288ECBC1BDAD86A1D99D09C2B85517E02A72390F6CFB378AF87AAB6840F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1469...5969 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '134.169.9.51 (ssh-rsa key from 134.169.9.51 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE NI)
danielpbarron: !!up beeteecee
deedbot: beeteecee voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5D01732429D2018C5281E02A054FF943984DC18BC2575AB67B16151BDE5C3FCA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1434...3997 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '208.2.67.117 (ssh-rsa key from 208.2.67.117 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US TX)
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-519925.txt
ben_vulpes: whoa
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/what-have-i-been-doing/ << Trilema - What have I been doing ?