trinque had a muntzed emacs port while sitting on obsd.
asciilifeform: trinque: what didja end up having to change in it ?
asciilifeform: just the dbus nonsense ?
trinque: that, whatever else, don't recall now. sound maybe, other strange.
asciilifeform: sound?!!
ben_vulpes: if an email player, why not a music reader?!
trinque now goes to ./configure --help to recall teh lulz
trinque: gconf, gsettings, various image nonsense, pdf support, it goes on.
asciilifeform: pdf?!
asciilifeform: i dun remember any of this liquishit in vanilla emacs
asciilifeform contemplates placing trb on ramdisk on this box
asciilifeform: it'd... fit.
asciilifeform: if the sync behaviour weren't so atrociously retarded, this'd be a pretty simple thing
asciilifeform: lost power ? whocares, wait 20-30hrs while thing resyncs from nearby box
asciilifeform: ( in yer own fleet, naturally )
BingoBoingo: No particular reason to care, but it's a detail to be noticed
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if it takes 6months to resync -- i care
asciilifeform: recall dulap-1 and its phuctor.
asciilifeform: if enemy can cost you 6months by pulling yer plug -- expect plug to be pulled. weekly.
asciilifeform: fact is, trb sync is ragingly retarded. as in , microshit-level.
asciilifeform: i literally couldn't think of a worse algo.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Was re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754828 also a bit of awe there☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 22:36 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754820 << why wouldja care how loud in the dc hall ?
BingoBoingo: Not a very big space, not very big fans and yet...
BingoBoingo: impressive song
asciilifeform: dulap-III has only 4 fans, plus 5th in ps, none of'em any bigger than a 'D' battery. and yet sounds quite like shopvac at full blast.
BingoBoingo: What kind of shopvac? they happen on a spectrum
asciilifeform: the ordinary.
BingoBoingo: Ordinary as in...
BingoBoingo: 2, 4, 32 hp?
asciilifeform: 2
asciilifeform: !~calc 32*746
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 32*746 = 23872
asciilifeform: dat's a lotta watt
asciilifeform: where do i get 1 of these ? it eats wat, 3phase ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo had one ?
BingoBoingo did not have, but heard rumblings such exist for mega dust extraction systems
BingoBoingo: eats petrol
BingoBoingo: Or my leg was doing pulled
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16580.58, vol: 24446.40044085 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16564.0, vol: 74792.47914798 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16899.9, vol: 4642.31637987 | Volume-weighted last average: 16582.9127144
mircea_popescu: !!up slacko_16322
deedbot: slacko_16322 voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754868 << this wasnt finished. that thing does nuffin , regardless of the loop termination condition☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 22:48 asciilifeform: ( apologies for clutter. ) wtf is (d)[_i] = (d)[_i]; ???
asciilifeform: how did anything invoking this proc, ever work ??!
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754912 << sorta-kinda on topic, i attempted a trb install in the field last week, was *thrilled* to discover curl doesn't ship with ubuntu 10.04 (?!)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 23:24 trinque: so now polishing and collecting *all* distfiles, will publish that when ready
hanbot: did a cursory look for republican utils package, found nothing, huffed off in frustration.
asciilifeform: pretty sure that mod6 hosts a curl, at trb www
asciilifeform: along with errything else
asciilifeform: ... hm, apparently not!
asciilifeform: with what do you intend to load it, tho, if lacking
asciilifeform: curl belongs on the boot cd
danielpbarron: i just ran into my gentoo usb iso thing not having 'man'
asciilifeform: btw some very large share of 'no can haz trb, plz help' in the logs to date, feature shituntu
asciilifeform: shituntu's place, is the oven.
mircea_popescu: get curl via wget lol
asciilifeform: i assumed it, too, grew legs and ran away
trinque: isn't bash capable of netcat-style networking these days?
trinque ducks
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: maybe it's a systemd clal.
asciilifeform: use the os in the intel nic.
mircea_popescu: FACTORY RESET
asciilifeform: ( laugh, but minix was recently found in the intel fritz thjng )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1754963 << emacs has pdf support ?!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 00:05 trinque: gconf, gsettings, various image nonsense, pdf support, it goes on.
asciilifeform: 1st time i heard of such a thing
mircea_popescu: wasn't it proprietary in the first place ?
asciilifeform: pdf on linuxen typically goes in massive, nominally open (openssl-style, i.e. wholly unreadable) pile of shit called 'ghostscript'
trinque: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Sound-Output.html << autism fungus *all through* emacs by now
mircea_popescu: so emacs has ghostscript ?!
asciilifeform: 'The sound must be stored as a file in RIFF-WAVE format (‘.wav’) or Sun Audio format (‘.au’).' << suggests vintage
asciilifeform: betcha that was an option for 20yrs nao
asciilifeform: when was last time you saw an au.
mircea_popescu: i never saw an au.
asciilifeform: i did. on a sun. in.. 2002?
mircea_popescu: who plays sounds on suns.
hanbot: anyway trinque looking forward to distfiles collection --i'll be switching over to gentoo from the ubuntu mess soon. i've been fucking around with it for far too long, as asciilifeform in other words ;p
asciilifeform: nobody afaik.
mircea_popescu: this item is a lot like a car lighter socket popcorn popper.
mircea_popescu: does 8-10 kernels.
asciilifeform: exactly same
danielpbarron: just noticed my stripped down gentoo has a shit load of web browsers in /usr/portage that i never told it to install. what's the deal with that?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: didja look in the stage3 ? were they in it ?
asciilifeform: or waiwat, in portage??
danielpbarron: ugh
trinque: portage is just the ebuilds, has everything.
asciilifeform: if its in portage, its a port, eh
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: has errrything under the sun
trinque: look in /var/lib/portage or w/e for your particular system state, if you want to inspect
trinque: world file in there for example
danielpbarron: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/CHYsA/?raw=true
asciilifeform: they're ports !!
asciilifeform: not installed proggies
danielpbarron: ah, well my very basic script is wasting time digesting them :/
trinque: what was the aim of the script?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: you surely know what are ports
danielpbarron: do not assume i know what i'm doing here lol
asciilifeform: ports, in gentoo world, are little scripts for building package
asciilifeform: there's one for every known 'gentootronic' item that one could build.
asciilifeform: they're what you get when you did emerge --sync
danielpbarron: the aim of my script is to install the base system from my own pre-downloaded files because the initial emerge @world barfs over conflicts that developed since the last time i used my recipe
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: plz post this barf if you still have it handy
asciilifeform: it will be of use
danielpbarron: i think it jammed at something-db
trinque: literally only thing necessary to make this happen is to fill /usr/portage/distfiles (or wherever you've declared distfiles to reside) is filled with what the ebuilds you use will demand.
trinque: analogous to trb deps folder
trinque: (there may be ebuilds out there that do not respect this, but they are sinful ebuilds)
trinque: you'll notice if you reinstall items, it's not downloading tarballs again; it's finding them in the distfiles folder.
danielpbarron: stage3 sounds like the problem here.
danielpbarron: sounds like a cancer actually
trinque: gonna be hard to say without knowing exactly what you were doing.
danielpbarron: i copied /usr/portage from my currently working machine to this laptop that's still chrooted from the usb booter, then ran a script that does: ebuild * digest where * is all *.ebuild in that directory
trinque: what was the aim there?
trinque: digest produces a new manifest of hashes for the distfiles mentioned in the ebuild
trinque: (iirc)
danielpbarron: after it's done i'm gonna do emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse @world
trinque: I dunno where you got the "digest" step; it's something you'd be doing when heavily modifying or producing own ebuilds
danielpbarron: that's how i got my specific kernel version into the recipe after they removed it from the official repository
trinque: ah. there's a mechanism for this that might be cleaner than editing the portage dir. I intend to use it in the cuntoo thing.
trinque: "portage overlay"
trinque: which obviously can be a v-tree of ebuilds.
hanbot: danielpbarron didja post somewhere about why you chose a kernel version not in repository?
trinque: as things get reposessed from the gentoo shitgnomes, can move their modified ebuilds from /usr/portage into /cuntoo or w/e
danielpbarron: hanbot, it used to be in the repository. they removed it after i published my recipe, not even a month later
trinque: anyhow running digest on every single ebuild just means you're rehashing all the files for each ebuild.
trinque: which doubtful they were all modified.
hanbot: hah wth
mircea_popescu: in other not-really-news, 1408 (cussack, jackson) isn't even that terrible.
danielpbarron: and i picked that particular version because it is the newest one that supported my video card
mircea_popescu: "stuck in room" flavour of horror.
hanbot: ah okay
danielpbarron: you liked 1408?? i don't like that guy
mircea_popescu: which one ?
danielpbarron: most cussack movies
mircea_popescu: he's a great actor imo ; but yes total pantsuitard, keeps doing idiotic scripts.
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder he and norton didn't end up married. he could have implanted all the tit fat they scooped out of angelina jolie and adopted a buncha west african urchins.
hanbot: predicting what movies mp'd like is a long hard road peppered with "oh come ON"s
mircea_popescu: now try predicting movies i'd like and hadn't already seen.
danielpbarron: i guess it's not the worst one. just a guy going crazy in a room. but still ends up having to do with trying to save a woman or something
mircea_popescu: notrly, he just dies.
mircea_popescu: it's not the usual "here's four dumb bitches on a TV show set" like that atrocity with johnny depp
danielpbarron: no idea what you mean there. i guess the only depp movie i saw was fear and loathing
mircea_popescu: what was it, somewhere in canada "old castle" of "vampires" which oddly consist of california feminist can't-shut-up zsa zsa gabors v2010.
danielpbarron: have you done a review of "no country for old men" yet? would very much like to read that
mircea_popescu: haven't, no.
hanbot: iirc he objected to the lack of trees in the landscape and said something about there not being any film for old men either and turned it off. but i could be misremembering...
danielpbarron: how about "cold in july"
mircea_popescu: hanbot wtf was the canada castle vampires atrocity ?
hanbot: i think that was some burton thing..."dark shadows"?
mircea_popescu: !~google dark shadows johnny depp
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Dark Shadows (film) - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Shadows_(film)>; Dark Shadows (2012) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/>; Dark Shadows Trailer Official 2012 [1080 HD] - Johnny Depp ...: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVIeN5Co3HDc>
mircea_popescu: yeah that thing
mircea_popescu: 10 minutes in, it's like "welcome to real la housewives VII"
mircea_popescu: oh, and the ATROCIOUS "computer enhanced" female actors. jesus god really, that untalented hack heathcote not only missed her only life's calling (which doubtlessly is playing the WAG for some retarded athletic team from aussieland) but actually looks like a whole filing cabinet's worth of anime fell on her ?
phf: i had a similar reaction to dark shadows, what a disappointment.
mircea_popescu: i was not inb the slightest appointed. i knew going in it's gonna be CGI-for-TV. with a cast of idiots...
mircea_popescu: in other isadumba heathcote highlights, "Christian and Ana decide to rekindle their relationship, except this time there are no more rules or punishments."
mircea_popescu: it's this very fucking thick vein of ustardian dumb, with "strong" women of a very peculiar chimp-like sort, and token "men". i suspect the whole thing is a continuation into a thin pretense of adulthood of some idiot girls' ken-and-barbie pubescent fantasies.
mircea_popescu: i mean... they played house since they were 5yo and mom bought them a cubic metre of plastic, HOW HARD COULD MOVIES BE
mircea_popescu: anyway. america pre trump.
hanbot: have you seen any post-trump movies?
mircea_popescu: usually films take 18ish months. too soon.
phf: my concern is post-trump their going to churn out stuff like dunkirk, men films about men bonding for men that are menly
asciilifeform: in other finds, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654585 >>>> 'make localmodconfig' actually does it.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-11 17:43 asciilifeform: trinque: i'm particularly curious re how you trimmed modules. many crapolade modules don't give any obvious indication that they are useless, there is no mechanism for generating a list of 'THESE we actually need, because of the installed iron, and these -- not'
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-11#1654636 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-24#1068787 << aha☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-11 18:02 trinque: could build all video related modules, then reboot, modprobe them all, cd /usr/src/linux && make localyesconfig/localmodconfig
a111: Logged on 2015-03-24 21:14 trinque: danielpbarron: you can use localmodconfig for that
asciilifeform: oh hah.
trinque: only way I ever make a kernel
asciilifeform: it does find a buncha spurious liquishit tho
asciilifeform: ( goes blindly by what's loaded, but not all mods actually abort if they dunfind the iron )
trinque: mhm, I don't think the menuconfig step can be avoided for a serious kernel.
trinque: still helps narrow the "what might be interesting" a bit
asciilifeform: oh yea no question of avoiding.
asciilifeform: but if i never have to boot up a 'i have nfi what is this nic' box again, it'll be soon enuff.
phf: % ./vdiff -u a b
phf: --- a 595beeb13e543b7107c182bb23ac7766bd62ab3122e250e90573eb540f89520122150e5f69bb99140bc47ab526c9b7b2a3b2402b09b44b7391501a149876765c
phf: +++ b b91e1bccfe010e28e544ebc1cdc2e6030f88a899a13c78d521b46d19801a065aec3c81bae6a0238fd6a01d22c314888a0c483c9c74384aee1e4f288e76ff57b8
phf: @@ -1,2 +1,2 @@
phf: hello
phf: -world
phf: +doom
asciilifeform: wassthis
phf: an all-c vdiff
asciilifeform: neato!
asciilifeform: this is still classical format tho, right ?
phf: correct
phf: well, now comes the hard part :)
asciilifeform: holy FUQ :
asciilifeform: man: command exited with status 1: /usr/libexec/man-db/zsoelim | /usr/libexec/man-db/manconv -f UTF-8:ISO-8859-1 -t UTF-8//IGNORE | preconv -e UTF-8 | tbl | nroff -mandoc -c -rLL=96n -rLT=96n -Tascii
asciilifeform: ^ fresh gentoo box, in response to any man command
asciilifeform: dafuq is this zsoelim idiocy
asciilifeform: it ain't on any of my old boxes.
asciilifeform: elsewhere on the net, 'We have received reports that the man-db package as supplied in Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 has a vulnerability in the zsoelim program: it was vulnerable to a symlink attack. This has been fixed in version 2.3.10-69FIX.1' << ahahahaha THAT's why it's in there.
phf: i wonder if we're just witnessing some sort of criticality point, where everything is starting to rapidly deteriorate under the weight of maggot work
asciilifeform: long ago reached.
asciilifeform: man-db dun re-emerge, either
asciilifeform: barfs with half a MB of eggog.
asciilifeform: oh guess what, it dun like gcc-4.9 .
asciilifeform: tbl: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.9.4/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.9' not found (required by tbl)
phf: asciilifeform: one property of the new vdiff already is that ---- situations work, e.g. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0Niwr/?raw=true
asciilifeform: wtf is tbl even
asciilifeform: part of troff, apparently
trinque: asciilifeform: I referred to the stairstep down to get gcc 4 earlier.
trinque: did you start with 6.x?
asciilifeform: naturally
asciilifeform: that's what was in the stage3
trinque: aha, I had to build 5.x, gcc-config to switch to 5, then build 4.
trinque: and you're going to have to rebuild @world after 5 -> 4
asciilifeform: and if i already built 4 ?
asciilifeform: and world with it ?
asciilifeform: or hmm
trinque: no idear, I haven't gotten it to work.
phf: asciilifeform: tbl is venerable, part of grey beard tools, that nobody uses, like eqn or pic
asciilifeform: the q is , what other bins on this box will bomb
asciilifeform: and how am i to build world without'em.
asciilifeform: motherfucking dynamic linking.
trinque: asciilifeform: https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2015/02/05/gcc5-and-the-c11-abi/ << related.
asciilifeform: wonder if there's a way to ban it, for whole box. permanently.
asciilifeform: no dyn libs, period.
phf: LFS
asciilifeform: 'The GNU C++ team works hard to avoid breaking ABI compatibility between releases, including between different -std= modes. But some new complexity requirements in the C++11 standard require ABI changes...' motherfuckers
asciilifeform: phf: wassat
phf: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/, i'm being a smartass
asciilifeform: phf: funnily enuff, systemd is mentioned in them there docs.
trinque: of course, not everyone implemented the static use flag.
trinque: why would anyone want that.
asciilifeform: trinque: forget autoconf flags. i want to disable the generation or loading of dyn libs, period.
asciilifeform: as in, no elf can invoke dyn lib.
asciilifeform: and gcc will never produce one.
asciilifeform: consider.
phf: hah. well then
asciilifeform: ( and yes, i'm quite aware that, e.g., valgrind, won't work on such a machine )
trinque: must be organ-chopping week. first trb wallet, now musl dynloader and gcc linker
asciilifeform: it'd have to be on a musl box
asciilifeform: otherwise 0 point
asciilifeform: ( picture the elephantine drepper glibc in every bin )
asciilifeform: In file included from top/top_nls.c:24:0:
asciilifeform: top/../include/nls.h:9:23: fatal error: ../config.h: No such file or directory
asciilifeform: .... Failed to emerge sys-process/procps-3.3.12-r1
mircea_popescu: zsoelim << wut ?
mircea_popescu: holy shit this is retarded.
mircea_popescu: there's literally an "utility" to munge dots into filenames.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755188 << ada has rotted your mind!!11☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 03:17 asciilifeform: trinque: forget autoconf flags. i want to disable the generation or loading of dyn libs, period.
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/vVMM2#selection-1935.0-2097.0 << preserved for future generation lulz (the original dir was /torvalds/linux/blob/master/include/linux/nls.h )
asciilifeform: * fit into 16 bits; as of Unicode 5 valid code points range from 0
asciilifeform: * to 0x10ffff (17 planes, where each plane holds 65536 code points).
asciilifeform: grrrrr
asciilifeform: Unicode has changed over the years. Unicode code points no longer fit into ...
mircea_popescu: :)
mircea_popescu: TORVALDS.
mircea_popescu: the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing people they can't possibly say "to hell with ye"
asciilifeform: i can neither add to nor subtract from this.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755201 << i've never heard of, or seen , this item before, it ain't on any other box i have . and yet it breaks man pages -- all of them -- on the box.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 03:43 mircea_popescu: zsoelim << wut ?
mircea_popescu: yeah arcana
asciilifeform: i mean, it never before existed in gentoo, it's apparently an imported debianism.
asciilifeform: ( was it added because manpages are now infested with uniturds ? i've nfi )
hanbot: shows up in ubuntu 10.04, heh.
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: shocking!
shinohai: What *doesn't* Ubuntu have in it?
mircea_popescu: curl, apparently
hanbot: zing
phf: to be fair soelim is part of troff suite going back to bill joy's original. i suspect zsoelim is some recent groff addition.
mircea_popescu: it was a hack!
asciilifeform: i still dunget why i need a 1972 phototypesetter driver kit in my linux.
mircea_popescu: for unicode.
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the logic works.
asciilifeform: evidentlynot
mircea_popescu: what is prepending z even supposed to denote ? zdumb ?
mircea_popescu: zwindowz znext ?
asciilifeform: zorplfmatic.
mircea_popescu: i honestly didn't even fish "soelim" out of the zsazsagabordaemon
asciilifeform: me neither
mircea_popescu: zs is a transliteration of a sound in some language i speak, it got eaten as such
asciilifeform: i eat it as a ж for sumreason
mircea_popescu: !~google zsuzsana cerveni tits
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Cine sunt finaliştii Vocea României. Chirilă şi Despot, în lacrimi ...: <http://adevarul.ro/entertainment/tv/cine-finalistii-vocea-romaniei-chirila-despot-lacrimi-video-1_5a2b95365ab6550cb8029057/index.html>; Gabriela Gaby Wolscham in Playboy November 2014 (11-2014 ...: <http://www.komadi.org/gabriela-gaby-wolscham-playboy-november-2014-11-2014-venezuela/>; Nika Fleiss in Playboy - April 2011 (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: umm
mircea_popescu: apparently it also breaks google.
asciilifeform: oh hey trinque can we ban app-misc/ca-certificates ?
phf: asciilifeform: mostly because it's not a phototypesetter driver
asciilifeform: why is this warcrime on the box.
trinque: asciilifeform: fuck 'em
trinque: oh you mean method by which? no idear; I bet everyone's mother wants them.
trinque: btw I bet you have zswhatever because "nls" useflag
mircea_popescu: what's with you and boston accent nao ?
asciilifeform: good time to find out ~who~ wants'em and forwhat.
asciilifeform: trinque: why would i have nls flag
trinque: mircea_popescu: who me?
mircea_popescu: yes idear!
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: lol
trinque: turns out half my family is from boston!
asciilifeform: bostonr
trinque: the ear on this guy
mircea_popescu: you know they actually say "a rear" there when they mean area ?
trinque: well if you're removing Rs gotta stash 'em somewhere
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: r
mircea_popescu: phf what is it ?
mircea_popescu: at&t's adobe acrobat. literally from 1960.
trinque: asciilifeform: nls use flag was on by default, is present in my banlist
asciilifeform: trinque: is your banlist posted somewhere ?
asciilifeform: i'm still using my, original.
trinque: USE="-dbus -systemd -wayland -pulseaudio -gtk3 -icu -accessibility -nls -ipv6 -ldap" << with various in package.use
mircea_popescu: and in other "please explain this to me"s, http://78.media.tumblr.com/9bdf3b8432f6eaee2cf4ea9bca9918de/tumblr_neb5lycylT1sqopubo1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can he do that ? does he have NO sensitivity whatsoever ?
asciilifeform: ugh
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking metal chain. they make industrial abrasives out of chain.
mircea_popescu: they used to shoot chain at enemy ships in the age of sail! to destroy them!
shinohai: "You had your chains, and you fucked 'em"
asciilifeform: 'the chainshot carried off both'melegz, goddam them all...'(tm)(r)
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what to say, we're like multiple cycles deep into rhetoric here, inception style. i will say though, all this misdirected hate can't be good for digestion, i fear for asciilifeform, he might crack under questioning
asciilifeform: say, why misdirected.
asciilifeform: quite correctly imho directed.
mircea_popescu: phf let's stick to factuals. 1. is groff or is groff not a "free and open" gnu theft of troff ; 2. was or was not groff a thinly veiled excuse by at&t coders who wanted a pdp to get it, because "they'll make a patents editing system" ? 3. did they or did they not simply copy roff, 1960s era item ?
mircea_popescu: and quite literally phototypesetter, at that.
asciilifeform: ( also i'm beginning to suspect that i'm doing this all wrong. prolly what oughta be done is to track down freebsd circa 2002 , ALL of the necessary pieces, and work from THAT . )
mircea_popescu: or else debian sarge.
asciilifeform: trickier, didn't iirc ship with 100% src
asciilifeform: and lacked anything like portage
mircea_popescu: no portage ; but yes srs
mircea_popescu: src*
asciilifeform: you gotta have a ~source~ dependencygraph.
trinque: here, I'll go ahead and post this early, if we're abandoning ship.
asciilifeform: or it ain't salvageable
mircea_popescu: unless you mean like drivers.
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CtKMv/?raw=true << wip cuntoo script.
asciilifeform: a 2002 kernel will neither boot nor run on extant iron. but userland can and must.
trinque: lacks the whole reproductive bit
mircea_popescu: a 2012 kernel will not run 2002 userland.
phf: mircea_popescu: but the factuals are not necessarily under dispute (~soelim~ is not a phototypesetter is what i said). original hate was against "never seen this wrecker thing before", then when new fangled thing turned out to be an old tool, hate shifted to 1960 phototypesetters. methinks the point is a traveling one..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescuL then THAT's what needs doctoring
asciilifeform: ( i fully believe that it -- out of the box -- won't )
mircea_popescu: phf hate was re two things. a) i utterly failed to parse z(item) into (item) so hated ; and b) soelim was a dirty hack [atop a meanwhile pointless item].
asciilifeform: phf: i dun grasp why box needs troff.
asciilifeform: and why manpages ain't straight txt.
mircea_popescu: or straight latex
asciilifeform: troff, roff, groff, whatevertheeverlivignfuckroff.
mircea_popescu: fuck, they could be html and it'd be better than this nonsense.
trinque: gay latex is right out
asciilifeform: lol
phf: what trinque said, there's no "straight latex", it's 1.6gb of liquishit
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: ugh
asciilifeform: tho, sadly, 'small' by current liquishit standards
asciilifeform: ( and asciilifeform actually, shudder, ~uses~ latex )
mircea_popescu: so i go to argue the point, fall upon https://www.latex-project.org/news/2017/12/15/github-move/ "news"
phf: i've actually recently went through an exercise of trying to spin up knuth's plain tex as a standalone typesetting system. it's nearly impossible
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: am like... mp, what are you doing ?
asciilifeform: phf: i also tried this, ~decade ago, quite impossible
asciilifeform: latex ate tex eons ago
asciilifeform: 'embrace & extend'
mircea_popescu: is the hate stirll travelling or is it merely a universe-zsized ball of hate ?
asciilifeform: zszszszs.
trinque: real quick, only serious thing missing from the cuntoo script is commanding lilo to ignore all devices but the target disk.
phf: mircea_popescu: well, ~i've~ found something to hate, so i joined the fray
mircea_popescu: and ftr, there's no excuse to EVEN HAVE soelim at all ; let alone as a standalone wtf
trinque: if anybody knows the answer to that riddle, the rest of the "reproduction" is trivial copying of files
mircea_popescu: trinque --ignore neh ?
trinque: (the other cut of the lilo thing is to simply say "thou shalt not have other drives plugged in when cuntoo is spawning)
trinque: mircea_popescu: ignore, but gotta do by device name, and per
mircea_popescu: tsk right you are
mircea_popescu: well, seems "the other cut" wins seeing how otherwise3 you gotta enum.
asciilifeform: trinque: you forgot to add net.ifnames=0 to kernel boot args
asciilifeform: to disable the infuriating 'let's rename eth0 to asjtghuidfjhiuorhjgr0 ' item
phf: mircea_popescu: well they've believed in the whole "single tool for a job" thing back then, and yes it was a hack (not in a sense that soelim is such a tool, but in a sense that tools that soelim is a glue between poorly designed tools)
asciilifeform: which is -- yes -- standard in kernel nao
trinque: asciilifeform: thought I touched something in there that does it
mircea_popescu: does gentoo bake dns into the kernel, debian style ?
trinque: maybe not
mircea_popescu: phf right.
trinque: ah the udev rules thing; asciilifeform's solution would be better
asciilifeform: it's sop on my boxen but i forgot to include it in my 2015 recipe
phf: plan9 rewrote their soelim as a shell script..
asciilifeform: how about it goes to oven. and the crapola that 'needs' it, also to oven.
asciilifeform: and what needs ~it~ -- also.
asciilifeform: and so on.
mircea_popescu: and then we can play golf.
mircea_popescu: cuz candy crush is right out!
asciilifeform: aztec golf. with heads.
phf: right, traditional games, like throwing discus and wrestling
mircea_popescu: i thought it was throwing dis cunt
phf: that's evening program
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diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1754999 <- it is broken anyway, yes; at the very top it works as I said: by avoiding it basically; in any case, hang on until tomorrow as next chapter will have to be patching this and sorting it out☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 01:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754868 << this wasnt finished. that thing does nuffin , regardless of the loop termination condition
diana_coman: for the very impatient: caller fails on the cases where it uses that broken macro i.e. any shift by a multiple of BITS_PER_MPI_LIMB; 0 is just one case, not the only one; further up, caller avoids the issue, as stated
mod6: nice work diana_coman
diana_coman: thanks mod6!
mod6: :]
diana_coman: thing is now I'm even *less* comfortable using that whole mpi thing... makes me wonder what else is in there and not yet spotted
mod6: aha.
asciilifeform: esp. spicy considering that it is taken straight from mircea_popescu ( and prolly just about everybody else's ) gpg
diana_coman: asciilifeform, myeah, I suspect it's still widely used in fact; if I get any time I'll take a peak at latest I suppose
asciilifeform: afaik 2.x gpg uses wholly unrelated crapola
diana_coman: in other words a whole new set of worms, veryverynice
asciilifeform: aha.
mod6: yeah
diana_coman: so I just did a quick curl for latest gpg, 2.2.4; at least in name ~everything is changed ofc, but it's a load of lol to do a plain grep -r "workaround" .
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: in other noose, trinque's pill worked, but the gcc5.x item was not needed
mircea_popescu: "mp, why isn't your infinite world update, announced LAST YEAR, live yet ?!?!" "because ints don't work on computers. also because merely rewriting the crypto layer ain't fucking enough. and also because FUCK YOUR UGLY ASS MOTHER AND THE IDIOT DRUNKS SHE KEEPS FUCKING, FUCKO!"
asciilifeform: emerge -e world , on gcc4.9, did the trick.
asciilifeform: ( took about 2hrs on this box )
trinque: hm cool. I'll remove it and see if I can do same, 6 -> 4
danielpbarron: who is saying that about eulora? i'm not in any rush. whenever there is a drastic change it makes me more nervous than excited, because now I gotta re-figure everything out again
mircea_popescu: Lp
mircea_popescu: i just get pissy when my brilliant ideas can't be implemented like, the next day.
mircea_popescu: but look on the bright side danielpbarron : if that process ain't making you a scientist, nothing will.
diana_coman: heh, in good old traditions of a long-gone world and age, eulorans are rather suspicious of change and they aren't old even!!
mircea_popescu: for srs
mircea_popescu: funny how the "days gone by" immediately reconstruct themselves just as soon as one ditches the rotten principles preventing them.
diana_coman: aha
BingoBoingo: And on tonight's agenda, a spanish test
mircea_popescu: suerte!
BingoBoingo: Gracias. Ought to be a valuable cultural immersion experience.
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asciilifeform: meanwhile, in archaeology dept, http://www.landley.net/code/tinycc
asciilifeform: ^ summary: one-time inheritor of bellard's 'tinycc' , gave up over, supposedly, versioncontrol wank
mircea_popescu: i can believe it.
phf: that explains why when i tried building it it was chasing compatibility bugs down a rabbit hole
phf: "then told me that I had to abandon my cleanup work and start over on his tree, and explain everything to his satisfaction (as a Windows guy) before it could go in"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what
mircea_popescu: is this like... V before V, ie, all-the-disadvantages-and-no-more ?
phf: But these days, my complaint is that I have no confidence whatsoever in
phf: tinycc's maintainership. It has the tinycc.org domain, and Fabrice
phf: handed over the project, so it is the official final resting place of
phf: tcc. But it's still stagnant, because Fabrice put a Windows developer
phf: in charge of the project, one who apparently does not understand open
phf: source development in the slightest. He's putting out a windows-only
phf: version of tcc as far as I can tell, one which will never build an
phf: unmodified Linux kernel (has made zero progress on this front in the
phf: past _THREE_YEARS_), thus it cannot ever act as (even an infereior) gcc
phf: replacement.
mircea_popescu: so why's he not took it over ?
phf: i think he doesn't like that they keep poaching his changes back into official cvs
phf: selectively
shinohai: < 24 hours on Coinbase, an already BitcoinCrash is fucking it up: http://archive.is/TbQpP
shinohai: (For those wondering how BTCrash got a mention on CNBC and a coinbase listing: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/VERified.jpg )
mircea_popescu: kek
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform found it impossible to rebuild http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755200 under gcc 4.9☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 03:29 asciilifeform: .... Failed to emerge sys-process/procps-3.3.12-r1
asciilifeform: thing was, it seems , silently shitgnomed
asciilifeform: ( no concrete clue, yet, how, was unable to turn up any discussion whatsoever of it , anywhere )
asciilifeform: or hm, nm, oddly enough built after reset with -nss build of world-minus-it
asciilifeform: *-nsl
asciilifeform: grr, nls
ben_vulpes: shinohai: megalol at insider trading of altcoins
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ain't that the whole point of running a gox
asciilifeform: it + frontrunning
phf: looking at their commit history there's a lot of "utf8 support in ..." and "nls ..." which is probably the proverbial fleas bringing dog
asciilifeform: aaha!
asciilifeform: fwiw the box appears to be stable, usable, nao.
asciilifeform: ( at least as much so as my other gentoo boxen )
asciilifeform: phf: what didja say was rotten in sbcl 1.3.11 ?
trinque: nls, utf8, ipv6 support, all "lets bolt gendercommits to the side"
phf: asciilifeform: you know after staring at a lot of bad c code and last two days worth of conversations, i don't think there's much wrong with sbcl, but then i haven't looked at sbcl code in about a year at this point. i think i was mostly objecting to overall trajectory of lisp ecosystem
asciilifeform: ah hm i thought it had 'progressed' into unusability recently
phf: but specifically it was small annoyances with "modern" enforcements. like style warnings, or my personal pet peeve, the fact that you can't shadow locked packages without having to unlock
phf: the awfully pedantic defconstant behavior (which sbcl specific, and which requires packages like alexandria to have asinine define-constant, which for all practical purposes is what defconstant is supposed to be)
phf: the fact that character type is not dynamic (which to be fair is the property of all free lisps for some reason), so if you're dealing with text, you're forced into 32byte per character nonsense
phf: the fact that macro evaluator inlines both compiled and non-compiled macros, which means that you have to manual track macro dependency and tediously reevaluate even when working in an interactive environment
phf: i think naggum has a rant about the last one
asciilifeform: the existence of the compiler seems to be ~the~ fountain of braindamage for pc lisps
phf: none of these are properties of sbcl past certain vintage though though, sbcl is already a modernization of common lisp
asciilifeform: ( really ought to have a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749276 instead )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-10 15:41 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-10#1749266 << asciilifeform has been chewing on this conundrum for a while. the inevitable pill is a minimal ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736844 ) but reasonable microscopic interpreter ( likely schemelike ) in asm; and from it, to climb back up.
asciilifeform: the wedge between cpu and ram clocks today would , i suspect, wipe out the performance difference for most problems
phf: cmucl fwiw was designed like a lisp machine (though it had damage done to it by modernizers already), where the evaluator + vops was you primary interaction mode, and compilation was a way to evaluate a piece of code to a vop like status
asciilifeform: ( b/w a fits-in-cache interpreter, and sbcl's compiler )
asciilifeform: no 'status' of code. tinyscheme-like representation.
asciilifeform: no emission of x86olade at runtime.
phf: and vops in turn were an equivalent of a lisp machine microcode
asciilifeform: oh hm we had the thread, apparently, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-19#1605202☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-19 17:38 asciilifeform: also (and iirc i discussed this on my www at one point) the correct approach is to ditch the native compiler, in favour of the interpreter, hand-compiled to fit in L0 cache
phf: you're not going to even approach a performance of a compiled sbcl. at best you would do is non-jited lua
asciilifeform: this is possible. when's the last time you saw a cpu-bound proggy in cl tho
asciilifeform: cpu-boundness is rarer than anybody's willing to admit.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755434 << byte ?!!!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 18:27 phf: the fact that character type is not dynamic (which to be fair is the property of all free lisps for some reason), so if you're dealing with text, you're forced into 32byte per character nonsense
phf: obviously a typo
asciilifeform: thought i oughta ask, lol
phf: you kind of have to these days yes
asciilifeform: i'm not sure this is braindamaged tho: if you ~must~ have orcograms
asciilifeform: then even 64bit per char beats utfism
asciilifeform: O(N) length calculation is braindamaged.
trinque: I dunno why orcograms aren't done the same way as image formats. doesn't need to be built into the OS.
phf: that's a very broad statement
trinque: then the kids can run wild with their UTF128s and nobody has to care
asciilifeform: trinque: is 'character' concept built in ? if yes, then you have what we have
asciilifeform: if not, then neither can you have a notion of 'string'
asciilifeform: nor tty
phf: trinque: ccl used to do it that way actually, interested parties might want to poach that code. they call the concept Rune and it's basically a way to support orcograms in a 8bit lisp
trinque: you'll have to justify why those need orcograms
trinque: literature sure, code? ui?
trinque: phf: neato
asciilifeform: and how come can't reverse this q and ask trinque to justify 8-bit c-ism ?
trinque: "neener, worked for the romans" ?
asciilifeform: this is how you get unix liquishit
asciilifeform: and nulltermed strings etc
trinque: ah we're talking about linked-list strings then?
asciilifeform: they 'worked' in the sense that 'romans' were ok with overflows, crashes, never heard of what is exploitability
asciilifeform: trinque: any kind of string
trinque: I wasn't, so I'll let you continue on that
phf: maybe he's talking about pascal strings, it's hard to say at this point
asciilifeform: q is, of what is made a 'string'
asciilifeform: phf: strictly arguing against 'worked for the romans' mode of thinking
asciilifeform: rather than in favour of 256bit or whatever chars.
trinque: ah, my point was that the roman alphabet is sufficient for one of the most expressive languages to exist, so arguments that orcograms are needed would need to explain that.
phf: https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2017/12/19/the-strange-story-of-extended-random/ in unrelated
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755435 << this is shockingly dumb, on an excel level of dumbness.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 18:29 phf: the fact that macro evaluator inlines both compiled and non-compiled macros, which means that you have to manual track macro dependency and tediously reevaluate even when working in an interactive environment
mircea_popescu: what do you do, vrite yourself vbasic macros to do it like goldman sachs gausscopulators ?
phf: naggum has a rant about it specifically
mircea_popescu: so it's 20 years old by now ?
phf: heh, while looking for that rant "I have designed and implemented one for my own needs, but I find the number of disgusting losers who would benefit from it if I published my code to be too high."
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma guess this is 90% of the world of 'stfu, no , i won't publish it'
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
asciilifeform: 1 of the very few antipoettering bugsprays available to the wotless -- writing 'into a desk'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755460 << old alf suggestion also.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 19:00 trinque: I dunno why orcograms aren't done the same way as image formats. doesn't need to be built into the OS.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-20#1755462 << because the stupid woman doesn't want to be on the reservation alone. she wants to live in your house and get in front of the tv while you're watching it.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-20 19:00 trinque: then the kids can run wild with their UTF128s and nobody has to care
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't picture how to apply it to ~text~ tho
asciilifeform: how the hell to represent , e.g., the source itself
asciilifeform: ... comments ? ... eggogs ?
mircea_popescu: apply what ?
asciilifeform: 'don't build into os'
mircea_popescu: dude, dumbwoman drawings are only for rest state.
mircea_popescu: broken machine uses ascii only.
mircea_popescu: she can't read it nor is she intended to read it. find/beg/pay someone to get it back to smileys state first.
mircea_popescu: then can resume smiley usage.
asciilifeform: in 80x25!111
mircea_popescu: yup.
asciilifeform: on 2nd thought, neh, decadence,
mircea_popescu: inferiority of inferior must be baked into every single UNIT of everything around them
mircea_popescu: exactly like XX is in every cell.
asciilifeform: serial , 9600@8,N,1
mircea_popescu: if i was in charge of "human services" all govt housing would have on all walls "you are here ; because you suck."
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/heres-why-you-will-end-your-days-in-a-concentration-camp/ << Trilema - Here's why you will end your days in a concentration camp
mircea_popescu: no further "art" is needed in that context.
phf: source reading can be a preprocessor stage (which is a lot saner to do in common lisp than elsewhere), this is also how traditional tex handles orclangs, before xetex and luatex and such. special ascii sequences to represent local lang glyphs and if you don't want to write those by hand, you use (or write) a tool that takes a local encoded document and translates it into ascii
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: this is pretty good imho idea
asciilifeform: i can't think of any serious minus, in fact
phf: fwiw bulk of these tools have been written through the 90s and what was worthwhile from orcland was published that way then. until silent takeover by latex & 1.8gb tex installations happened and none of these tricks work anymore (because the necessary hooks are so deep within the layer of cruft it's near impossible to get to them, and one way they did it is through standard file system lay out, that requires a chain of compilation stages to move files
phf: from location A to location B to location C where they are expected)
asciilifeform: the unix dir tree concept braindamage is a gift that keeps on givin', eh
phf: there's not a single article on the subject of compilation, but here's the complete thread https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/search?q=recompile+reeval&sort=of specific test that he proposes is in https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243682048034314@naggum.no.html and the "dun work" reaction https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243737082731156@naggum.no.html
asciilifeform: phf: the 'special' status of macros always bothered me
asciilifeform: imho it was a mistake.
phf: there's two sbcl apologists further in thread, one of them saying "I don't mind provocative /per se/, but what you were saying gives the a| impression that SBCL is willfully bad, as opposed to in development. But lumping it in with willfully noncompliant systems for this reason, | given it's version number, is inappropriate." and the other one is a core dev saying that they might add it. of course the expected behavior is still not there
asciilifeform: а воз и ныне там (tm)(r)
phf: even though i hear that sbcl now has a evaluator added back?
phf: etc etc etc
asciilifeform: did it ever fully vanish ?
phf: yeah, bill newman had to rip it out when he was doing the original bootstrapping work
mircea_popescu: btw that picture of matthew green is so ridoinculous...
mircea_popescu: "but we were never able to find it or prove it existed." << we still never found the gnupg culprit ; and most interestingly to my knowledge NONE of the idiots with broken keys put a post on their blog, "here is the software that made it"
mircea_popescu: though ALL SORTS of rank imbeciles, such as that "pirate party" fucktard, had complaints of the proofy proof flavour.
asciilifeform: i was abouttosay, what good does 'proof' when reply is inevitably 'but where is the proof of yer proof's proofiness'
phf: i mean guy says so himself "Specifically, you never really get absolute proof. There’s always some innocent or coincidental explanation that could sort of fit the evidence — maybe it was all a stupid mistake."
asciilifeform: it isn't clear that it is even possible to carry out an intellectual exchange with such folx, who have 0 shared priors with actual people. the only conversation can then consist of the lime pit.
phf: oblig. ptacek link
asciilifeform: phf: there is no amount of bending-over-backwards that is toomuch for these usefulidjits
asciilifeform: to give 'innocent' explanation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at least he links tptacek
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: phf basically, dedicatedly "we don't own the state" engineer-mind, the exact correlate of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1043852☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 02:23 mircea_popescu: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160814 << sweet innocence.
mircea_popescu: if you don't own it, who the fuck does ? daytime tv starlets ? fat brown women behind fast food counter ? who ?
mircea_popescu: and no, "everyone" is not a fucking answer. state exists to enforce priviledge against the mass. whose.
asciilifeform: engineer's view that he doesn't own anything, i.e. is gulag inmate -- is generally accurate.
asciilifeform: q is 'nao wat'
mircea_popescu: doesn't fuckin have to be.
asciilifeform: and indeed 'daytime tv starlets' and 'fat brown women behind fast food counter' are far closer to owners , than the engineer.
asciilifeform: both are , of a kind, nomenklatura.
mircea_popescu: pffff
asciilifeform: in other olds, asciilifeform found insinuations that gcc 4.7 was at some time built successfully using tcc. but no detail re how, in particular which tcc, where to get that
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform looked again at last-known tcc. it is not , after all, so small : ~54kLoc ; ~1.7MB !!! of sores.
asciilifeform: only 'small' compared to gcc monster.
asciilifeform: quite heavy compared to even, say, trb.
mircea_popescu: or to say diff
asciilifeform: and of comparable size to... minix
asciilifeform: iirc phf's diff is ~6 kLoc
asciilifeform: incidentally bellard's tcc is not in any simple way trimmable, no autoconf garbage or the like, in there.
asciilifeform: it's apparently all meat.
asciilifeform: c is simply a terrifyingly retarded lang in which to write ~anything~ compactly, even ccompiler.
asciilifeform: especially a compiler.
mircea_popescu: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/P1000071-1024x768.jpg << check out where 1980s moscow went!
asciilifeform: eh those ac units look as chronologically '80s as ipad.
asciilifeform: ( upper-right of pic )
mircea_popescu: hm. acs huh
asciilifeform: the surviving hruschebas asciilifeform saw in bucharest, however, looked quite like this
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: and in other vocational training, http://78.media.tumblr.com/563edda993665378ae74ec037dd28b6f/tumblr_nkd0rtUuuS1u06pkwo1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, there's a few of them scattered around my Barrio, but few and usually at least dos quadras off la avenida 26 de de Marzo
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo: On la avenida, such a building would have been kept its bones and been given a new facade because gotta sell vacation homes. 2 blocks away? What tourist would go there?
mircea_popescu: myeah
BingoBoingo: Outside of tourist and mega business areas the trend seems to polished interiors while letting exeteriors do as they do.
BingoBoingo: In a bit under an hour, I visit la ciudad vieja for the first time and there spanish test
mircea_popescu: gl
BingoBoingo: tyvm
phf: mp is quite dangerous with them bash scripts
phf: i think a proper cuntoo doesn't even need x11, bash scripts, lynx and framebuffer to render images if need be
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: bash is turing complete, you know this right ?
phf: eh it's all irrelevant to substance anyway, since bulk of computer activity amongst programmers is, to badly quote logs from memory, getting everything ready to meet girls by doing some misplacing activity somewhere where girls will never be
phf: that is to say, that mp machine can really be anything, and it'll be used directly, rest of us will spend next year fucking around with dlls
mircea_popescu: you seem enlightened allovasudden
shinohai: http://archive.is/dz72r .... Something, something moar DNS .....
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform wrote a sane commandline-getter for gnat
asciilifeform: and in the process discovered that the original was ~maliciously~ stupid, there is NO reason why it HAD to return an unknown-length string value