mod6: <+trinque> congrats mircea_popescu and asciilifeform, wish ya many more profitable months. << here, here!
mod6: how's it goin tonight?
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trinque: ^ did a bit of maintenance; node back online
mod6: thanks for the update
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-09-02 16:41 mircea_popescu: one major point is that other than mpfhf which has been well implemented thanks to peterl, sina and ben_vulpes (and to some degree researched -- speaking of which, still cooking ben_vulpes ?), there's keccak which HASNT yet been implemented much ; and we really could use a fixed-block hash function that's any good.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a correct, if not novel idea, near-equilibrium and far-equilibrium physics.
mircea_popescu: anyway, physics is only broke in the us, and mostly because us is broke. euro physics is doing fine, spending about the entire us welfare budget on things like large lasers, ciclotrons and the like.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so is that vomit mccain dead yet ? or still clinging to a world that really has no place for him ?
mircea_popescu: inept dork, can't even die at a normal pace. everything with him was slow.
BingoBoingo: Well, no different on that front than Sumner Redstone et al
mircea_popescu: one of the foremost things 2017 us has to be ashamed of, alongside pantsuited hilarity and friends.
trinque: he'll hang on long enough to fuck up the great again's reduction of the passthrough rate to 15%
trinque: can't have anything smaller than walmart employing people
trinque: hey john mccain! high five!
mircea_popescu: good thing they keep whining about all the inept consensus events tho, THAT is important.
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BingoBoingo: It's amazing how much more stable this volatility keeps getting
BingoBoingo: Dropping and rebounding, and what was the high price in 2012?
BingoBoingo: Nah that was the median 2010 price or something.
mircea_popescu: say phf ! since you're in moscow, what's the bdsm scene like ? do they have a club ? mind doing a field report ?
☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-09-07 06:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, physics is only broke in the us, and mostly because us is broke. euro physics is doing fine, spending about the entire us welfare budget on things like large lasers, ciclotrons and the like.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 18:46 asciilifeform: whereas ACTUALLY promising, and wholly noncrackpotterious direction of particle physics -- induced beta decay -- is funded to the princely sum of..
mircea_popescu: i'm entirely unsure why these two items (string theory ; high energy particles) are so strictly welded together in your head.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 16:22 asciilifeform: 'So basically the LIGO team is admitting to publishing a manipulated final result and no real exact means for anyone outside of the LIGO project to duplicate it. It also appears the team tried to bolster and perhaps even justify their reporting of this highly questionable second event by including a third one they had previously dismissed.'
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, if i were allocating fundamental research funds, i'd spend most of it on high energy particle research.
mircea_popescu: understand something : the criterion for FUNDAMENTAL research is not "whether it's promising", in any sense or packaging. that is the criterion for INDUSTRIAL research, and let industry fucking do it.
mircea_popescu: the criterion for fundamental research is "was it ever done before", and high energy particles meet it out of the gate. ~nothing else does.
mircea_popescu: they'rte the ones whining for relevancy. why the fuck did zuckershithead spend 100bn on "instagram" or w/e random spamsite with "here's a number we printed on a webpage and we labeled it USERS!!!" instead ?
mircea_popescu: this still doesn't change the categories. it is not the business of government to pick up the slack of facebook being intellectually bankrupt.
a111: Logged on 2014-07-22 22:40 asciilifeform: carnegie mellon << 'Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office. But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scientific Bondo, sanded to perfecti
mircea_popescu: except for the part where "republic can never exist, socialism and government===society is all there is".
mircea_popescu: or else, guy very well preyed on the substantial, idiotic naivite of esl tards who had such nostalgy, and also very gullible.
mircea_popescu: useful to implant "republic can never exist, socialism and government===society is all there is" in their stupid fucking heads, then they'll look at trilema and "form their own opinions" on the side.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i think i said it before. and if i didn't, here it is again : curtis yarvin may be stupid, or else he may be evil, but in either case he's done more to ruin his country than quisling did to ruin his.
mircea_popescu: let god judge his internal state, i care little past the deeds.
mircea_popescu: the former is physics, the latter is math. the building of items THAT NEVER BEFORE EXISTED is a defensible activity to a degree most others (spawning, doing art, including shakespeare, etcetera) are not.
mircea_popescu: you understand, it's not that "this is a new model of spoon, we had spoons before but this is just a different take".
mircea_popescu: these are, literally, items that never before existed in the strictest categorical sense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's, again, no obligation to meaning for fundamental research. that is still industrial research you're thinking of.
mircea_popescu: turd, like all others. whereas the first petawatt laser IS, as a factual matter, the first such laser ever built. for all we know -- every built anywhere in the universe.
mircea_popescu: it increases by one the length of the list of items god must maintain.
mircea_popescu: there can be no further accomplishment than this, in the sense of fundamental research.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: why do you think that description you're trying to add to it can possibly be made to stick ?
mircea_popescu: in any case -- it is not the job of columb to make sense of the new world.
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
PeterL: keep in mind I am just learning ada as I do this, I feel like there might be a more efficient way to do some of the things (like the type conversions)
PeterL: wait, bitness for which type?
PeterL: Lane is a mod 2**64 type
PeterL: ok, I will look forward to your comments!
trinque: hey PeterL, mind getting a blog together and putting this on it?
trinque: it'll end up lost to the sands of wotpaste
PeterL: well, my next step was going to be actual testing, right now I just got it to not have any compile errors! :)
PeterL: just thought you might be interested in seeing the progress
mircea_popescu: i second the blog idea. PeterL you have a healthy output phi, you should not leave it at the mercy of archive-bot-saved-a-paste.
PeterL: ok, I'll look into getting something set up
shinohai: If you need copy of mp-wp PeterL I can accomodate
mircea_popescu: modesty is good and well, as an solipsitic limit for the self. it can not stand against others' telling you to make it.
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mircea_popescu: textual tension is a measure of relation complexity per unit space.
mircea_popescu: very direct measure of the power of a language -- weak languages only have van der waals links and thereby can't support complexity such as life
mircea_popescu: which is why english is ~soup. unless fortified with a lot of latin / middle french, shakespeare style.
mircea_popescu: a fine example in that very same paragraph : "I don't expect I've done" is very much different from the "plain english" "equivalent" "I don't think I've done" : as there is no relation between expectation and reality, saying "i don't expect i've done" is a perfectly fine sendoff on a masterpiece. not same in the case of the latter
mircea_popescu: which brings back the sad fact of the matter : there's no such thing as a weak language ; only imbecile speakers
mircea_popescu: (who are borne out of the interaction between their stupid mothers and a weak language)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-11 18:37 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.
mircea_popescu: very much throwback to the problem of "man is that animal with flat nails" / "here's a chicken" issue
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really, because there's no such thing as orthogonality in natural language. that's a property of a correctly constructed theorem ("let it have no overlapping lemmas") and therefore relevant in computing.
mircea_popescu: language as used by humans is actually predicated on the impossibility of orthogonality.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform give me an example of two items of language that are orthogonal.
mircea_popescu: but i think the point transpires, if metaphorically : the fundamental reason language even exists in any usable, useful form is the rejection of orthogonality as a possibility.
mircea_popescu: note that i'm not saying ~your notion~ of up and left can't be orthogonal. of course they can be, in fact they'd better be. but the WORDS thatr denote them, can't be, at least not while staying words.
mircea_popescu: then we find it impossible to talk to strangers as the first symptom.
mircea_popescu: also, we're stuck getting lucky with women, because we can't meaningfully talk to them BEFORE we actually can talk to them.
mircea_popescu: and in short -- fucking up this fundament of language convicts one to solipsistic solitude.
mircea_popescu: a language where ALL parts are orthogonal is entirely the phone book, unable to mean anything. i thought the contention was language where SOME parts are orthogonal.
mircea_popescu: the only case where this happens is when there's in fact two language. such as in polygotism, or else argot-mainstream disjunctions. THERE you can have orthogonality in language.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, that is always the case, with that max = 0.
mircea_popescu: but yes, this provides on the side an excellent explanation in this context's terminology of why man must learn languages : it is the ONLY way to have orthogonality in natural speech.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and romanian has ESPECIALLY a problem with orthogonality (as a necessary drawback of its insane bond power), which is why and wherefore it ends up thinking all languages are just badly spelled romanian.
trinque: tangentially, but I was taken aback by the beauty the moment I realized that the consonant sound in "ad" was closer to me than the one in "ab".
☟︎ trinque: a wandering barbarian happens upon a temple kind of moment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oya. really, vulgar latin on a "butter me up and roll me in dicks like they're nonpareils" kick.
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, a fine answer to "what the fuck was elliot's problem" could correctly be "he used orthogonal language".
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't mean anything to elliot himself, or to the blonde girls that "didn't give him a chance", but it'd nevertheless be a perfectly correct description of the situation they found themselves in, unwillingly the lot.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 17:45 asciilifeform: phf: pray tell : what does having 'elt' AND 'nth' around, facilitate ?
mircea_popescu: "two items are orthogonal if either can stand without the other".
mircea_popescu: i much prefer this categorical expression of the notion to the copacetic "statistically independent variates" approach.
mircea_popescu: now, forcing a point : if complex numbers are notated as a + bi, then it is a correct approach to describe a sum as x (= a + a') + y (=b + b') i rather than x' (= q + p i + r + t i) + y' (=q' + p' i + r' + t' i). the former notation would be a normatively correctly stated theorem (elements are orthogonal) whereas the latter would, while still equivalent, nevertheless be normatively incorrect (it mixes up the lemmas!).
mircea_popescu: and same throughout all math : everything must be orthogonal, at all times, all the time.
mircea_popescu: you could make soup out of a bag in which there's peas mixed with carrots in some proportion, and another bag in which there's pasta and some chicken, and a third bag where there's more chicken and some celery. it'd still come out soup. nevertheless, the CORRECT way to make soup, arbitrarily, is by using a bag in which there's peas and nothing else ; and a different bag in which there's chicken and nothing else, and so follow
mircea_popescu: there's no good reason for this, other than our being white men, which is to say the source of intellectual anyhing in this world.
mircea_popescu: but -- language doesn't work this way. the reason the bags aka words are useful AT ALL is that there's a little of each and every other bag in each and every single bag.
mircea_popescu: the important point being -- that it's an ideal for math, and therefore programming, which includes cooking. NOT of language.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-07 17:52 trinque: tangentially, but I was taken aback by the beauty the moment I realized that the consonant sound in "ad" was closer to me than the one in "ab".
a111: Logged on 2015-08-28 03:24 asciilifeform: trinque: ... the right fit of concepts << sometimes called 'orthogonality'
mircea_popescu: in those terms : do you understand that the difference between computer language and human language is that the correctness of expression (shortest, complete form) can be proven in the former, and can never be considered in the latter ?
mircea_popescu: all math things have a closed form, whether we know it or not.
mircea_popescu: (for the doubting student : prove that "for sale: baby shoes, never worn." is the shortest english novel.)
mircea_popescu: (fwiw, my estimation of hemigway is more driven by the above snippet than by whatever nonsense half-ass anti-cunt tracts he penned. really, some woman fucked her husband's hunter trainer, o woes ? pish.)
mircea_popescu: there's not so much to choose from in the colonies. if you throw him out what's left.
mod6: great books from the man imho
mircea_popescu: certainly not many english writers can hold a candle to him, that much is out of contention.
mircea_popescu also appreciates the terseness as a stylistical choice. in english, it is at worst a forced mistake, by the medium, and in general a good idea.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in this context galois theory is chiefly preoccupied with distinguishing math-language from math-proper.
mircea_popescu: (quick likbez : evariste galois among a whole school of northern french/swiss 19th century mathematicians wished to know why there's 5th degree polynomials which don't admit closed form expression. this seemed, and still seems, intuitively impermissible in some sense. the proof of the abel-rufini theorem might be interesting here. nevertheless, other than the practical use of bridging field and group theory, allowing some inc
mircea_popescu: onveniently-abstract items to be represented in more intuitively approachable forms, the principal point of modern galois theory is to prove that certain fields admit no closed-form solution, and in a very narrow sense are not properly speaking math. or rather -- that our current notations share aspects of roman numerals most visible in those particular points.)
shinohai: Re: Hemingway .... "The Old Man and the Sea" and "For Whom the Bell Tolls" are two of my favourite books, coincidentally
shinohai: (Old Man and Sea being, for all practical purposes, a "short story")
mod6: Didja like "A Farewell to Arms" ?
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ben_vulpes: equifax hacked; w2's and more exfiltrated. pins were last 4 of ssn.
ben_vulpes: but hey, everyone gets free credit monitoring for another year now?
ben_vulpes: some folks have got to be up to 10 years at this point
ben_vulpes: hey, adp's monthly numbers unquestionably higher quality than bls 'nfp'; gotta prop the analytics pipeline
ben_vulpes: at least until 'the real numbers' start to suck
ben_vulpes: not in the slightest; it's just as stupid as the rest of the system. why expect brilliance in any one part?
BingoBoingo: From deep in the lulzmines: "The Man-Not is a theoretical starting point that tries to capture the history of black males being killed, mutilated and raped beyond simply saying it is racism that causes this violence … History has shown black males are eroticized in an anti-black world. Their genitalia has been imagined to be at odds with the endogamy of the white races of America and Europe, so our attempts to study black males must ta
BingoBoingo: ke into account this specific sexual targeting, be it phobic as in the case of the rapist or philic insofar as black males are imagined to be sexually insatiable. This is what black male studies scholars mean by anti-black or racist misandry, or the cumulative assertions of black male inferiority due to errant psychologies of lack, dispositions of deviance or hyperpersonality traits (e.g., hypersexuality, hypermasculinity, etc.), which r
☟︎ BingoBoingo: ationalize the criminalization, phobias and sanctioning of black male life."
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: i see you racist misandry and raise you a racist sandwich: "Applying critical analysis to food is essential to understanding and framing 'big picture' ideas about white supremacist capitalist heteropatriarchy."
☟︎ ben_vulpes: featuring other gems eg 'Affect ("effect") ..."
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-08-23 16:58 BingoBoingo: Even with BCH's "Emergency difficulty adjustment" (allegedly drops difficulty after X time without a block found)
shinohai: fromloper: It has iirc .... but there was some sort of "Emergency Difficulty adjustment" they implemented.
☟︎ fromloper: ben_vulpes no, but I certainly will - thanks!
BingoBoingo: fromloper: It is exactly experiencing the Altcoin woes
fromloper: but in terms of a hashpower attack?
fromloper: ben_vulpes I remember having read em now - got it!
fromloper: their difficulty adjustment algo just means the attack oscillates
BingoBoingo: And it's very disruptive, and very cutting to those propping up the bcrash scam
☟︎ fromloper: looks like it's way past time to fire up one of these scam nodes and sell the stuff
ben_vulpes: those bussed refugees are going to receive just the most cordial welcome in the ethnically homogeneous states that didn't want them in the first place, i bet
BingoBoingo: Here's a rather big lol from the wikipedos, on their page for Al Sharpton's social engineering firm: "In 2011, Walgreens announced they would be ending their relationship with Express Scripts, a prescription drug program serving mostly poor individuals that gave them discounted prescriptions.[9] This would have resulted in low-income individuals paying up to 30 percent more for their prescriptions. A coalition of minority groups, led by
BingoBoingo: Reverend Al Sharpton’s National Action Network, sent letters urging Gregory Wasson, CEO of Walgreens, to reconsider. Groups sending letters were National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, the Congress of Racial Equality, Hispanic Leadership Fund, and others."
https://archive.is/MrxS1 BingoBoingo: Meanwhile from the wikipedos on what Express Scripts is: "Express Scripts Holding Company is an American Fortune 100 company. As of 2017, the company is the 22nd-largest in the United States as well as the largest pharmacy benefit management (PBM) organization in the United States.[1] Express Scripts had 2016 revenues of $100.752 billion.[1]"
https://archive.is/LoSSk#selection-363.0-383.3 BingoBoingo: Why not just call Sharpton's blackmail scam what it is?
☟︎ jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mod6: how's it goin this evening?
shinohai: Oh shit ben_vulpes .... nice find