pinochle: mp, can I interest you in a game?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 16:38 ben_vulpes: pinochle: reg a key and build a name now, lest you build the thing and nobody uses it because who is this person
pinochle: in the past I worked as a trader ; studied probability in school ; current work is building predictive models, often an exercise in futility
mod6: !~later tell jurov Please check the ML pipes, I think I got one stuck.
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-29 14:58 mircea_popescu: yes, it was. to summarize, careful what you do with your patches, in the following sense : if diana_coman doesn't CONTINUE your patch, it will have to be reground later. as she's a human being with other problems and interests than folding in your alt universe, it helps IMMENSELY if you make your patches small and readable.
pinochle: begin with a small, reliable contribution, don't reinvent wheels
mircea_popescu: alright ; and you figure "hey, i implemented a poker bot" is this ?
pinochle: I see ; a motivating factor for going off and building was, selfishly, to learn
mircea_popescu: but the key to survival is working with others ; and the key to the others being others rather than just shitty clones of yourself is for them to be independently intelligent ; and then in turn the key to working with independently intelligent folk is... making it possible for them to work with you!
mircea_popescu: "here's a black box", howsoever implemented in practice, "really lengthy patch you don't have the time to read" or "my poker bot" or whatever, is not-this.
mircea_popescu: which is also why anonimity is the pantsuit-mandated mode of behaviour for intelligent zeks online.
mircea_popescu: person-as-a-black-box needs inca's services for human interaction, hence "stop campus rape" etc.
pinochle: there is not a word I disagree with ; so I have errored in that way, but the path forward is clear
pinochle: deconstruct, refine and communicate on republican terms and in consumable bites ; that is what I shall do
mircea_popescu: there's a humongous swath of republican land just waiting for a plow shaped exactly like a trader's who studied probability in school and spends his days building predictive models.
pinochle: have not read, but will now ; that is encouraging, so lets get to work
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 18:26 asciilifeform: you changed 'channel' slot in ircbot class to 'channels', but never bothered to change the corresponding line in make-ircbot !! ben_vulpes )
lobbes: my logbot-genesis instance worx fine, but I will need to have this thing sitting in at least two channels
ben_vulpes: lobbes: iirc make-logbot still works but it is make-ircbot that does not
lobbes: okay, so I should be able to run the logbot-with-multiple-channels-corrected portion as long as I run the ircbot portion as the original?
ben_vulpes: logbot provides a very handy set of slots for plugging responders into
lobbes: ah, okay, perhaps I'm doing this wrong. I assumed that I needed both the ircbot and logbot to be running and connected to irc concurrently
ben_vulpes: logbot does everything that ircbot does and in addition writes everything it sees to the log table
mircea_popescu: you know you've run this thing in a pretty confusing manner! there's like... 3 roots people don't know which to pick ?
ben_vulpes: your listening process just needs to 'listen log_new_message' and then use whatever the wait-for-message abstraction is in the programming language for your responding service to wait for the primary key to come in, read that line out of the table and then either insert a response into outbox with the appropriate target or not as it chooses
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if lobbes wants to run ircbot separately, without the logbot functionality, he could if he liked, and without taking a dependency on the logbot stuffs. 'tis why they're separate trees.
trinque: lets people decide not to use the part that's grafted to postgres
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 5 hours and 35 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> deedbot seems to have skipped a number of phuctor rss ticks today
trinque: ^ if it's skipping forward faster than 6 at a time, it's not going to barf them all up.
trinque: or whatever the magic number is. but there is one.
lobbes: later-tell reminded me to pose this q to the court: Should later-tells go to pm or stay in-channel?
trinque: doesn't seem to me like they're doing any harm as they work currently.
lobbes: word. well, if folx start to think it is getting too spammy, let me know
mircea_popescu: eh, so it's one line in response to human agency, how bad can it be.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-24 18:35 deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu .0336 << shared hosting for s.mg april 24 2018 through april 30 2019
ben_vulpes: that invoice takes you through the end of april 2019
ben_vulpes: it has six extra days for ease of calendrical bookkeeping, let me know if this does not suit or i misunderstand in some way.
mircea_popescu: in the end the "very valuable" "premium" domain found 0 economic utility.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-04-30 06:58:50: <mircea_popescu> well, if pinochle fellow gets around to modeling it properly, we might even find out what they're worth!
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-04-30 06:58:50: <mircea_popescu> well, if pinochle fellow gets around to modeling it properly, we might even find out what they're worth!
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-04-30 06:58:50: <mircea_popescu> well, if pinochle fellow gets around to modeling it properly, we might even find out what they're worth!
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-04-30 06:58:50: <mircea_popescu> well, if pinochle fellow gets around to modeling it properly, we might even find out what they're worth!
jurov: mod6: the clearsigned text has bad signature
jurov: mod6: when you have such complicated text, it's best to keep it clearsigned in a file.
jurov: And attach it as first attachment. Then in case of problems check it against contents in your "sent mail" to rule out mutilation by your email client.
jurov: Really curious which misfeature caused the breakage this time.
mod6: jurov: Ah, alright, thanks for checking. It's weird because I did check the clearsigned file before sending, verified fine. Mail Client / ML must have magled it.
BingoBoingo: And the FUCKING POTATO NIGGERS INSIST on closing the windows and blinds to the room as they remain passed out until 16:00 hrs.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: By the time the fuckers leave there is a disturbingly high chance everything that isn't already mildewed will be.
BingoBoingo: Fucking 20-25 year old college students and graduates that never learned how to dorm without being completely disgusting
BingoBoingo: And so because these fuckers are afraid of mosquitos coming in an even slightly open window while likely reintroducing chinches de cama, everything must mildew. Thus is the determination of the Irish hivemind
BingoBoingo: And in other turds >>
https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20180429101731 "-fretpoline for non-RAMDISK kernels. Skylake product needs it, and therefore all other x86 cpus must pay the performance price of the hazard workaround until Skylake disappears from the ecosystem eventually like 486. This returns your cpu's performance to pre-inflated performance."
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806496 << first world "men" don't understand the concept of hygiene, i suspect that as the infrastructure starts failing this would be the number one reason of rapid decay. hygiene not just in a sense of "washing hands", but the idea that there's certain procedures that you have to follow in order to not get fucked over by the environment
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 15:12 BingoBoingo: And the FUCKING POTATO NIGGERS INSIST on closing the windows and blinds to the room as they remain passed out until 16:00 hrs.
phf: but at the same time i suspect that the hostel in question doesn't for example have mosquito nets on bed frames, so it's possible that nigger runs deep in this particular case.
deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
BigTexasBingo: We don't have threatening mosquitoes here. There is a bit of Dengue in the North of Uruaguay, but in the city it isn't a thing
BigTexasBingo: The Irish religious applications of insect repellent lead me to believe they are reinfesting the place with cinches
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
ave1: asciilifeform, Thanks! I seem to have made a copy and paste error. Links should be updated now...
a111: Logged on 2015-02-18 04:31 asciilifeform: the only thing that seems certain imho is that starting from existing concept of ic fab is a dead end
ave1: asciilifeform, that work has been done, it builds a native compiler with gcc/g++ and gnatmake but not with gprbuild yet (this last one can be build on the target machine). I can build the FFA code on an aarch64 machine with the resulting compiler.
ave1: you'll need gnat2016 from AdaCore on an intel 64bit machine, and that should be all (except for a shell tar, curl etc)
ave1: I build it with gnatmake -Pffa_demo.gpr (I did this up to chapter 3 so far)
ave1: for the cross-compiler "yes" for the native one "no"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll put teh scare quotes in a clown mask next time
ave1: It's an artifact of the original script, you get a 'cross' compiler that creates code for the same machin
ave1: BTW although it does build code based on shared libraries, this code needs the musl "ld.so" to live at a specific place, so that does not work.
ave1: So static code works out of the box, but dynamic not so
ave1: it's part of the cross compiler (under aarch64-linux-musl/aarch64-linux-musl/lib directory). The compilers assume it will live under /lib/ld.so, so that part won't work on glibc machines
ave1: yes, but on a different architecture, i.e. you can build aarch64 on x86_64
ave1: o sorry, no not musltronic, the adacore one will work fine
ave1: I made a mistake on the earlier assertion, it works on glibc machines
ave1: the scripts build statically compiles gcc/gnatmake compilers
ave1: so those will work everywhere
ave1: The whole static/dynamic statement was about the code generated by the compilers
ave1: Sorry, for the confusion
ave1: Aha, I should have cleared that one, it will be overridden by the build-ada.sh script
ave1: I.E. it's the directory under which all the compilers will be installed
ave1: You can clear it or keep it, You'll need to run ./ada-build.sh <DIR>
ave1: that DIR can be whatever you want
ave1: the final compilers are not depended on that part
ave1: i.e. you can copy them to other dirs if wanted
ave1: (sorry build-ada.sh)
ave1: A sorry, I stand corrected, it needs to be an absolute directory name
ave1: Yes I have developed and run this on a computer without musl
ave1: (a modern redhat system also, just for fun)
ave1: The only system I was unsuccessful so far was a machine without static libraries
ave1: btw successful build of the whole thing takes about 3 hours on my machine
ave1: look at build-ada.sh (I did not update the documents etc)
ave1: done by build-tarballs.sh
phf: “Happy Birthday, Karl Marx. You Were Right (nytimes.com)”
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 15:10 BingoBoingo: NOTHING is drying out
mircea_popescu: pinoy actually uses shanonizing as THE, not an, but THE intellectual mode of life.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: pengumpulan data and analisis mengidentifikasi submasalah.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i expect submasalah is the hottentottenmutter stottertrottel version of sub[missive]-massah-allah.
mircea_popescu: well, i always thought polkovnik is a guy who brings graft money.
mircea_popescu: sadly the discoveries are unactionable and incommunicable.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806501 << this is very muych so ; even entriely banal procedures that built and butressed cont9inued human occupation of their sad patches of soil, like say putting up preserves for the winter, are far outside their mental scope. unlike whatever irrelevant pantsuit fashions, which never did jack measurable anything, but which are all they fucking talk about.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 15:51 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806496 << first world "men" don't understand the concept of hygiene, i suspect that as the infrastructure starts failing this would be the number one reason of rapid decay. hygiene not just in a sense of "washing hands", but the idea that there's certain procedures that you have to follow in order to not get fucked over by the environment
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to describe how infinitely more mindnumbingly boring some moron derping on about priviledge, women's rights, blacks whatevers is when compared to any old bitty that wants to talk of nothing but cheap meals and best way to make prune jam.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 15:59 mircea_popescu adds this to his private "annals of orc history", in there with the scottish empire at darien and stuffs.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 16:06 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806449 << this appears to be honest work, but if you look at what he actually did, and with what resources, the 'imponade' evaporates away -- he made a coupla-transistor ic , and with 'garage' filled with a princely collection of surplus industrial gear ( electron microscope, sputtering chamber, ~very~ high end optical microscopes, incl. the one he junkyard-wars'd into a lithography box ) ,
mircea_popescu: and it's true, of course. for the moartea-ca-o-veste-buna folk, that's exactly how everything goes, "how to make shit ? start with bread."
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 15:10 BingoBoingo: NOTHING is drying out
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806521 << i'll tell you what it would look like. every seen one of those large acid sheets back at the acid sheet factory ? before being broken into tiny bits for the street vendors ? THAT. except of course in reverse, let me print bits and smash them together into large fabrics. EVEN IF they're not nm.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 16:16 asciilifeform: ( for the sake of thread-completeness, what would the ~alternative~ to this story look like? i suggest -- it'd be a process which does to ic fab what 'polaroid' process did to colour photography. find way of etching the circuit from prefab 'sandwich' without caustic baths, sputtering, etc... )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, arguably menopausal vagina not anymore vagina than engine on foil is car.
mircea_popescu: i don't dispute this is where it's headed, human reproduction system took the "we shall emulate original sea" step of eggs one notch further, yes.
mircea_popescu: but you're just doing what he did in a more... encapsulated way.
mircea_popescu: where -- less important, if, of course, you have a placenta factory.
mircea_popescu: it's something like bullet. "hard to make gunpowder, need saltpeter" "i know, we'll make these little cartridges, with the needed saltpeter included" "yes but now you need a bullet factory"
BingoBoingo: And it turns out the locals get YET ANOTHER fucking holiday tomorrow. This one is because they claim they LABOR!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, let's call it a ~design~ notation process, rather than fabbing ?
BingoBoingo: New year is January 1st. Is there a second parallel Jew year that starts in May?
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing the encapsulation doesn't havfe advantages. it does, which is why yes, laser paper universal as well as palcental mammals universal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, which brings us back to what i said, "even if not nm"
mircea_popescu: my problem with the ZX processors IS EMINENTLY NOT that "they're too big". is that i can't buy 500k of them and lego them up.
mircea_popescu: intel "solving" thge wholly hallucinated (if self-servingly) non-"problem" of "smaller process" is not helping me. it's helping "its shareholders", ie usg.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, but 1micro and 14 nano are not fucking similar. at all.
mircea_popescu: there's an exponential at work. which is the point here -- meshable micro will beat tyhe shit out of "color of bits" imperial bullshit.
mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: how would he have known. if not read it here, what, invent on own ? invent everything on own ?
mircea_popescu: got no time for that, too busy wanking with high end microscopes.
mircea_popescu: they're fixated on "find some practical need for ion beams". nfi.
mircea_popescu: space wars, cancer curing, computer making, peeling potatoes, whatever the fuck.
mircea_popescu: (ie, expensive to make, eminently useless in practice)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, but they keep taking it off the shelf and gueing it to weather balloons to "Space flight" etc.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ave1, and lest it's get lost in the chatter, your work is very much appreciated.
mircea_popescu: heck, i am now contemplating the strict unthinkable years ago, a sane build process for eulora server o.O
mircea_popescu: if only the guarantee of not being mediocre could be obtained, i could see myself blessing slavegirls with much longer travails.
ave1: asciilifeform: the exact same line in my build output shows almost the same -I directories, except all end with adalib/../adainclude, that last part '../adainclude' seems to be missing on your side. I will start a rebuild with some extra logging on that line. I will get back to it tomorrow. In the mean time, I have only set the path to the adacore gnat tools and I do not have any other GNAT* flags or CFLAGS or LDFLAGS etc. etc.
lobbesbot: ave1: Sent 24 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> ... and it is infuriatingly annoying that yer thing demands 'build' dir be deleted each time, starting the 3hrs from 0 for each attempt
ave1: Yes, I will also try with those two flags now... (Could you try without?)
ave1: No it should pick up the system build one
ave1: ADA_OBJECTS_PATH and ADA_INCLUDE_PATH
ave1: hmmm, I've never had to set these before
ave1: I've run on multiple systems (ubuntu and redhat), procedure has been to unpack the adacore binary file, set path and go (no ADA_*_PATH)
ave1: Ofcourse, I will see how these flags influence the script and fix what needs to be fixed.
ave1: As far as I can see, the culprit is this part "-I/opt/gnat/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.9.4/rts-native/adalib /opt/gnat/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.9.4/rts-native/adalib/../adainclude", It contains a space in the "-I", so now gnatmake thinks it needs to build an "adainclude" which will fail. I'll look into how these vars a set. (It's the ADA_INCLUDES flag in the makefile).
mircea_popescu: will keep an eye out for a day or two just in case. complaints y quejas go here <
PeterL: mircea_popescu: I remember seeing sometime in the logs you said (but I can't find it now) something along the lines of: girls that have sex have cleaner smelling cunt than the one who doesn't get any?
mircea_popescu: i don't specficially remember this ; but possibly. frequently used item generally in better shape than disused.
PeterL: like I said, can't find it now, but at the time I thought of replying: cunt is self-cleasing when it self-lubricates
mircea_popescu: this is equivocating the meaning of "cleanning". smegma fulfills the same role, biologically, but it is also the paragon of uncleanliness in social terms.
PeterL: *self-cleansing - or however it should be spelled
PeterL: I guess the religionsts would impart a different meaning to "clean" as well
mircea_popescu: that's what my comment would probably have been directed at, i guess : that the religious notion of purity is not merely impractical, but counterfactual.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect that 'polaroid' is the correct path. ( i.e. photographic input of where-what-goes; all of the chemistry needed -- sealed in a capsule, pops and exposes )
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, with the ever lowering cost of robotics, there is some hope even classical ic process will become manageable.
mircea_popescu: those two parts least amenable, yes. clean room, maybe more.
mircea_popescu: well, it already fits ; just box is too large. you want smaller box. miniaturization has been the trend forever, and maybe miini's law still holds.
mircea_popescu: kinda transparently the driver there. "not so much economically useful, as politically expedient -- we want to 'no one else' it"
mircea_popescu: gotta provide employment for all these "engineer" boys.
mircea_popescu: rather than plainly admit, like the arabs do, that ~90% of males are going to die as 30yo virgins ; allah will provide
a111: Logged on 2014-11-16 18:45 asciilifeform: so, as described in my 'going nowhere' article, the modern winblows pc is in fact less efficient for virtually any practical purpose than its predecessors two decades earlier, despite a titanic amount of effort poured into the cpu micro-optimizations
a111: Logged on 2016-10-31 17:52 asciilifeform: trinque: 0 palpable delay between key and event was always the standard, and will forever remain the standard.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile govt bought the "gotta provide for the ppl" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: so, i want to run a little experiment, see if bioware can actually outperform my machinery as it stands, and perhaps learn a thing or two.
mircea_popescu: the way this would work in practice is : ima pay people to post links to trilema with a 50-100 word comment on forums. i figure it's worth what, a coupla bux ?
mircea_popescu: what i want you to do is first run this as a pilot ; and then see if you can find boys wanting to earn.
mircea_popescu: the idea is to scale it up to whatever you can find, hundreds, thousands ? MILLIONS!
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: douchebag, anyway, does that make sense ? questions or anything ?
douchebag: Yeah, does the 50-100 words have to be anything in particular?
mircea_popescu: douchebag, aite, so do a hundred or so, gpg me the links when done, and we can talk about how to franchise it after ?
mircea_popescu: i still don't fully understand what it actually does. basically, breaks an init ?
mod6: So this one is rather ugly; however, after analysis it appears that to step on the landmine one would have to pass a lower case 'o' to the ParseHex function. Which is outside the Hexadecimal range 0-9A-F. Not that someone couldn't do it, just that my guess is that the probability of hitting it is lower.
mod6: In the array, there is a missing ',', which causes gcc/g++ not to puke, and simply ADDS(!) the two values together... in this case we had ,-1 -1, giving us -2. This does 2 things, shortens the filled depth of the array by 1, and changing the value from -1 (at index 111) to -2 (0xfe).
mod6: You would hit index 111 if one passed an 'o' to ParseHex, triggering the landmine. What is supposed to happen, is; the loop is supposed to break if it ever hits -1 (0xff). However, if we hit [111] (0xfe) -2, we continue on.
mod6: So it's really a two headed ugly bug.
mod6: The reason that I did the analysis so in depth, I wanted to absolutely get to the bottom of how bad this could be.
mod6: And it turns out, perhaps by luck alone, that they missed a comma on one value that is outside the normal character values for hexadecimal. If they had missed a comma somewhere in there, whoa. Could mean all kinds of bad things - OR perhaps they would have just caught it earlier as nothing would have worked right lol.
mod6: The thing that really threw me off during the analysis is that before and after test drivers were both yielding the same, correct, result. So I had to dig way in and debug to see exactly where to spring the trap.
mod6: And now it makes sense because the initial test case I was using was all values in the normal hexadecimal range.
mod6: Once I fed it this string "ab6o78", that sprung the trap (see the GDB debugging portion near the bottom).
mod6: Of course! Happy to do it. :]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in latest mosfilm news, "imperium" is the pantsuit v2.0 on donnie brasco. with the acting stars of the age (that harry potter cocksucker) and everything!
mircea_popescu: one really should watch the two side by side to appreciate the sheer depth this soviet soyuz fell in but twenty short years.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to state it ; the streets of 70s ny are now cubicals ; the "that ain't the question" is some nigger's whine about "bombed villages" ; this age's depp "speaks arabic" as the magical god-downloaded-just-in-time hero ball. and so fucking on until you fall over.
mircea_popescu: utterly unfucking watchable, i haven't even manage to get out of the establishing unrelated info part.
mod6: BingoBoingo: Cheers!
mircea_popescu: and of course no beautiful chicks, apparently female beauty is as much verboten in 2018 us as it was in 1988 su.