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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848517 << "da people" have "rights" and whatnot is it.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-07 14:08 asciilifeform: evidently not errybody noticed mircea_popescu's new subjline for #t.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848532 << jesus seriously !?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-07 14:39 deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848533 << you rated him!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-07 15:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what i dun get , is what all of these folx are hoping to find here. outside of the flies model, i got nuffin.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848552 << prolly, until you get a countour map at least.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-07 23:41 asciilifeform: one possible path could be to start with google's crapola 'depthcharge' booter src, but it won't build (tried) with standard tooling, and currently i haven't a box where to put their horror show
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: contour ?
mircea_popescu: whether some magic bitpile goes in somewhere, for instance.
mircea_popescu: get an idea of whereabouts they've been clever.
asciilifeform: it isn't so much a 'clever' but that there's a whole pile of iron drivers
mircea_popescu: or that, i guess.
asciilifeform: some of which aint in the demo rk3399
asciilifeform: all i really need from the bootrom is to do what uboot on pogo did, i.e. see the disks ( internal ssd, usb, sd ) , read some classic partitions ( e.g. ext3 ), load kernels ( in human, not google, format ) and present pogo-style uboot cmdline for these.
asciilifeform: initially i assumed that stock rk3399 uboot will do ~something~ detectable, even tho it lacks support for the lcd or the oddball kbd chip, given as i have uart
asciilifeform: but nodice, nuffin on uart
mircea_popescu: well, so see what googleturd does differently.
mircea_popescu: but yes this promises to be a slog.
mircea_popescu: maybe not even bother building it, just scan through
asciilifeform: it's a 8MB turd
mircea_popescu: so grep through it for half an hour, what's it cost.
asciilifeform: been digging through it all summer, on an' off
asciilifeform: it's a ~completely diff codebase from stock uboot
asciilifeform: interestingly, the dram init turd differs from the stock rk3399. and doesn't seem to be published in their repo. i'd like to try ripping theirs, but so far not even able to determine where it ends and their booter begins
asciilifeform: ( i.e. where to cut )
asciilifeform: the biggest headache is to get to where ~something~ gets shat forth from the rk uart.
asciilifeform: after that, 'only stamp collecting'
mircea_popescu: hm
asciilifeform: then can debug. until then - blind
asciilifeform: ( or to use trad terminology, 'bricked'. tho i have 'unbricker' nao, possibly the only one outside of the inca palace for this iron )
asciilifeform: ( unbricker worx 100% btw, when flash back vendor shitware, it runs as before )
mircea_popescu: not bad.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : Margot Asquith (very much a stupid cunt, of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810279 pile of garbage) once met hane jarlow, who promptly mispronounced her name. to which the "wit" cleanly retorted : "no, no, the t is silent, like in harlow".☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 18:05 mircea_popescu: aand in other items of entomological interest, the wikipedia take on politicized pseudo-literary criticism is something else. aphra behn is lionized, because they're ever-so-desperate to discover, invent or if need be entirely hallucinate "remarkable" cuntbearers of the shakespeare period that some random jailbird is A HEROINE OF FEMINISM!!!
mod6: !!sent-invoices
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NYTUT/?raw=true
mod6: !!ledger
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RFJa0/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: aand in other news, fatty galore meet egon wheels.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what are these ?
asciilifeform: either of them
mircea_popescu: funny names!
asciilifeform: !!rated rain2
deedbot: asciilifeform rated rain2 1 at 2018/08/10 16:08:51 << small scheme interpreters
asciilifeform: !!unrate rain2
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bgh9W/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !!v B0916DF72D0D8B55B04D25FE18D18DA4722DA8BEC54900153989D64ADAF181F4
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated rain2.
asciilifeform: !!rate cnomad -1 ran off with mp's bitcent.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ir29d/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !!v 94005A51C972A4B69CE9AEF8AF0B3F5BEB36900CF29652483D353203684A9ADB
deedbot: asciilifeform updated rating of cnomad from 1 to -1 << ran off with mp's bitcent.
asciilifeform: !!unrate b41e209ccc264812
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hz7eu/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !!v F39A43AFF1A7387C523D765988F0CD19E01850895DB8E2681E7804809FD3B087
deedbot: asciilifeform unrated b41e209ccc264812.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf lemme know if you want the magic pill recipe + patched flashrom util for c101pa .
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: oh hey bot alive, nice
asciilifeform: ^ afaik phf is currently the only other l1 fella with this iron
asciilifeform: !#s seen phf
a111: 83 results for "seen phf", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=seen%20phf
asciilifeform: err
asciilifeform: !#seen phf
a111: 2018-08-23 <phf> 1st of emigres to go straight into natostan * were serious world-class talent, others worked cashier jobs
asciilifeform: possibly still at sea
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is 'egon wheels' a back alley pill pusher ?
asciilifeform: somehow i can't picture him as anyffing else
mircea_popescu: read it outloud lol
mircea_popescu: in random lulz : i re-watched flawless (of http://trilema.com/2013/the-typologies-of-homosexuality-reprint/#selection-153.28-153.74 fame) and omfg is it a piece of agitprop to make sovfilm proud! the drag queen may be a female impersonator, but the "retired hero cop" (ie, very much a http://trilema.com/2018/the-night-of-the-hunter/#selection-133.0-133.544 type character) "is a male impersonator". because see, gender ideals ar
mircea_popescu: e just that, ideals, AND THEREFORE WONT YOU AGREE FAGGOTS ARE HUMAN TOO!!!
mircea_popescu: it really should be watched side to side with http://trilema.com/2015/very-bad-things/ (a deeply religious piece about how whores aren't all thart cool and die for it whereas worthless "good" girlie's a very unique being that every male gotta worship!!!)
mircea_popescu: vhs america might be ridoinculous enough, in its evanescent existence in the mind of a very selected few (principally, sovblok immigrants) ; but "cultural marxism" america is holy shit hysterical.
mircea_popescu: to a large degree for the same fgucking reason, i suppose : that it only ever existed in the mind of a very select few, who however didn't have the excuse of poverty, or of distance, or of so very many other things that protect the rusophone moron from the full brunt of his wilful stupidity.
mircea_popescu: the cab driver with a leningrad doctorate, gone to new york to "this is america!" is almost endearing ; the iowa farm girl gone to new york to "i r become a writer" is just...
diana_coman: in other travelling news: child was asked what did he see in costa rica? and he answered truthfully : he saw...Hannah aka hanbot
diana_coman: I can't say I don't see his logic there
diana_coman: from his point of view and at further prodding it sort of turned out that monkeys are funny, macaws are nice and the ocean + sand ok but by far the most interesting and important is meeting Hannah
mircea_popescu: ehehe HE IS RIGHT! in spite of his young years!
diana_coman: I'm actually impressed that the chateaubriand did not feature on 2nd place at least, lol
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: see asciilifeform ? it keeps happening!
asciilifeform: which it
asciilifeform eats log..
mircea_popescu: "i met hanbot ; life changed thereon
asciilifeform: a
asciilifeform just woke up, finished disentangling cabling from last night
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848630 << very similar characters imho☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-08 14:34 mircea_popescu: the cab driver with a leningrad doctorate, gone to new york to "this is america!" is almost endearing ; the iowa farm girl gone to new york to "i r become a writer" is just...
mircea_popescu: in the sense junkie similar to junkie.
asciilifeform: well yes
asciilifeform: sometimes ~entirely identical -- i recall reading of one physics d00d who was convinced that he will 'get rich' in nyc, selling... poetry
hanbot: lol diana_coman ! kiddo's expertly-annunciated "a bit!" lives on in daily interjection here.
mircea_popescu: hanbot somewhat!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hah, pretty interesting : the dram turds differ by... 3 bytes
mircea_popescu: well then!
diana_coman: hanbot, lol!
mircea_popescu: i's true, actually. QUITE A LOT!
diana_coman: this reminds of that time when they had a "drama taster" at nursery and I asked him whether he liked it: "I liked it; a bit; not as much as playing with the hammer!"
mircea_popescu: lamo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly enough, i knew a chick like that ; she was going to get her big break in poetry IN CLUJ
mircea_popescu: at a time if you put the whole population in a shaking machine you wouldn't have likely shaken a million loose.
mircea_popescu: kids that grow up like c.s.lewis, ie forsaken, end up with a sorely overgrown notion of the importance of the self.
asciilifeform: i suspect you can get moar 'big break' selling wine to winos, than the written word, in whatever form
mircea_popescu: but people WANT TO "big break" from "writing". it's sorta like women who aspire to be paid for fucking.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i find it interesting that ww1 didn't cure him
mircea_popescu: if i were a snail, i suppose i also would want to be paid for leaving slime trails.
asciilifeform: ( then again , spain did not cure orwell )
asciilifeform: orwell was ~nearly~ cured, but german sniper aimed a bit low
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/say-mr-why-is-your-name-popescu/ << Trilema - Say Mr... why is your name Popescu ?
asciilifeform: paulgraham -- before turning into the infamous huckster -- had a piece where 'which biznis should you get into if you LUVV gardening?' '...recovering data from damaged hard disks!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ww1 was not what you imagine. the controlloing aspects are http://trilema.com/2018/surprised-by-joy-the-shape-of-my-early-life-adnotated/#selection-3045.2154-3045.2200 in the theoretical and http://trilema.com/2018/surprised-by-joy-the-shape-of-my-early-life-adnotated/#footnote_155_80959 in the practical.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to expand ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's terrible advice. "recovering data from damaged hard disks" is a "business" in the sense "painting and decorating boobies" is a business. nobody gets boobies anymore on account of bacterial diseases being exticnt.
asciilifeform: as i understand , it was a perfectly decent meatgrinder, 'speshul snowflake'-eater
mircea_popescu: and i'll expand, but read the references first.
asciilifeform read, believe or not, whole thing
asciilifeform: but how was 'throwing curve'
mircea_popescu: well ? "don't attack enemy lest he attacks back" localized peace somehow sums up to a war over the interval ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when pg wrote this, in late '90s, hdd surgery was still a seller's market
mircea_popescu: incidentally, you know who n p billing was ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'local peace' would go, for, what, week at a time ? before somebody cuts loose
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dun think so?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he said it is a ~business~. it's not a business. if tomorrow civilisation ends scavenging its remais will be a large activity, but still not a business. "business" means something!
mircea_popescu: billing was this fellow who famously sued a bunch of establishment faggots over his theory that faggot conspiracy is the cause of ww1 failure.
mircea_popescu: somewhat like "reddit" umm how did the expression go...
mircea_popescu: a here we have it, http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-05.log.html#t07:31:20
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-08-05 07:31:20: <Tyrantelf20> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
mircea_popescu: so : something i nthe vein of reddit investigative journalists uncovering the pizza hut hilary clinton pedophilia scandal, if you recall that.
asciilifeform: 'In Lesbian ecstasy the most sacred secrets of the state were threatened' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: loox like a moar erudite ver of the pizza folx, yes
mircea_popescu: it's fundamentally what it is, "confederacy" of "independent" men alone going at teh establishment. the dent they make always takes the same shape
mircea_popescu: it's approximatelly an L
mircea_popescu: it'd seem self-evident that if a buncha doods carrying an L etched on their forehead go banging their heads on a chunk of concrete insistently enough in large enough groups, the L will eventually to some degree and under some lights transfer.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow, never self-evident to the pizza folks.
asciilifeform: i'm not even convinced that billing's 'britain run by fags' thing were untrue. but the part where it is 'from german wreckers' is pretty rich
mircea_popescu: but this is precisely how it goes!
mircea_popescu: you know for a fact pantsuited hilarity traded in children. the part where it was run from a pizzeria in wash dc... well...
asciilifeform: see also the 'elders of zion' mega-bestseller.
asciilifeform: imho the canonical example.
asciilifeform: idjit peasant cannot invent devils that 'can only see through microscope', he has never laid hands on microscope. so they will inevitably be devils that you 'can see' by rubbing chicken shit in yer eyes.
mircea_popescu: economics disposes : the dynasty was hannoverian ; at the time cheap fuckmeat was both prettier (ie, higher quality) and cheaper had in rural hannover than in rural lancastershire. so unsurprisingly, cousin bob fucked little boys at cousin joe's house, rather than the reverse.
mircea_popescu: if you live in miami and your cousin lives in akron, it'll be he who comes to your studio for doing coke, not you to his.
mircea_popescu: thus therefore, the fecalscopy scientists identified "german subversion plot".
asciilifeform: with the predictable results, aha
asciilifeform: btw observe that errything pertaining to royal collusion with germany, in both wars, still Official Seekrit in britain
asciilifeform: ('until 2050' or how it went)
asciilifeform: see also 'suicide' of rudolf hess.
asciilifeform brb,teatime
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedalleschronicle.com/news/2018/sep/07/man-killed-train-had-tech-following/ << RIP Terry Davis confirmed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but let's continue the "do you knows" then. ever heard of one j. r. davis ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nein
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all i see is 1st para
asciilifeform: 'A man killed by a train in The Dalles in mid-August had a Youtube following and was a “minor celebrity” in the computer world for doing the Herculean task of writing his own operating system, a fan said...'
mircea_popescu: i would suppose it wasn't so much suicide as the train failing to correctly play the part fucktard assigned it in fucktard's own WoWoW.
asciilifeform: d00d was, supposedly, certifiably schizo
asciilifeform: so entirely possib
asciilifeform: in usa these figure prominently in pedestrian splats
mircea_popescu: like all the rest of them. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840735 just as certified schizo.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-10 01:23 rain2: yep just poking around online
asciilifeform: they poke, poke, until 5000 volts.
mircea_popescu: hence, "train failed to correctly play the part tard assigned it"
asciilifeform: aha, prolly thought 'i'ma push it aside with little finger'
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is, the os, was actually novel/interesting in aspects -- e.g. implemented the ~only~ known example of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=256
asciilifeform: the sad bit, tho, is that he gave up pretty early on re: actually making the thing boot on physical iron. erry copy i got hold of, ran in vmware strictly.
mircea_popescu: i recall.
asciilifeform: that was his first, and from my pov, really the last, splat, against the wall
asciilifeform: (rather than the train)
asciilifeform: e.g. gabriel_laddel, then proceeded to re-enact the same splat
asciilifeform: 'if i close eyes wall will surely vanish'
asciilifeform: it's a remarkably common failure mode.
asciilifeform: ( i can see why asciilifeform's approach, 'dig for years with a spoon, maybe eventually make hole' is not 'sexy' and does not appeal. but it imho beats splat. )
mircea_popescu: depends on how precious you think yourself.
mircea_popescu: "I am not to be common, Kyle, ok? I am a creature like no other. I know that. I am a creature like no other. And I will not -- I willnot be common. "
asciilifeform: lol i just today reread that one
mircea_popescu: well ? slow approaches that work may well be "too common".
mircea_popescu: god knows it's been the recorded problem of teenaged boys throughout civilisation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think it is clear that if digger aint willing to contemplate 'maybe i die before hole, but next one will dig, cross the barbed wire over my corpse' will dig no serious holes.
mircea_popescu: or rather, will dig no holes in any serious matter.
asciilifeform: well yes, will dig until 'too hard' and go gabriel_laddel'ing somewhere.
asciilifeform: 'iron phobia' is endemic in programmer types.
asciilifeform: esp. the ones who ended up in the trade to begin with 'because easier'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: upstack : so who was j r davis ?
mircea_popescu: fellow who was ambushed by a bunch of "hardened criminals", killed seven out of two revolvers and four more with his knife. the rest took to flight.
mircea_popescu: the two other guys he had with him died.
asciilifeform: oh was this the new york subway pistolero ?
mircea_popescu: nah, san francisco.
asciilifeform: aa nyc was one bernhard goetz
mircea_popescu: "what happens when cinema warband encounters man who didn't take A-team shooting class"
asciilifeform: two revolvers, hah. did he shoot 'macedonian style' i wonder
mircea_popescu: ~inexplicably lose election, more or less.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform melee range in trained hands, firearms are pretty deadly.
asciilifeform: noshit
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 7/12
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 0.583333333333
mircea_popescu: compare and contrast with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843119☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-20 18:48 mircea_popescu: do you realise less than one in a million hits anything these days ?! never has the quarry/bullet relationship been this tenuous.
asciilifeform: pistolero at swords range not really comparable to grunts 'spray and pray', no
asciilifeform: recall the 'small bullets' thread. brass recognized that 'they dun aim anyway, let's give'em tiny bullets, why not'
mircea_popescu: i expect they get a "pew pew pew!" audio attachment next.
asciilifeform: after ford's 'simulated engine revv' audio thing, wouldn't surprise me
asciilifeform: ( or ipnoje's infamous 'camera shutter sound' )
asciilifeform: !#s skeumorphism
a111: 4 results for "skeumorphism", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=skeumorphism
asciilifeform: ^ see also
asciilifeform: upstack, for the curious , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848553 unsurprisingly no answer.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-07 23:46 asciilifeform: asked in the derp chan, https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-09-07#23015323 , just on the off chance, but i expect 0 answer beyond the usual amstan type , i.e. 'fuck off and eat vendor liquishit'
asciilifeform: if anybody other than us is diddling the thing, they're staying mum
mircea_popescu: in today's wonderment, why the FUCK is it i can say sed 's%x%y%g' or sed 's^p^q^g' but can NOT say awk '%a%,%b%' ?!
mircea_popescu: what sort of morons are these, who a. pick a FIXED magic character which then they make equal to b. THE MOST COMMON FUCKING PUNCTUATION IN THE UNIVERSE
mircea_popescu: who thinks like this ?!
asciilifeform: hey sed and awk written by different 'man alones', so big fat surprise they use incompatible inbandisms
mircea_popescu: sed's is correct.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you and i may be the last folx still using sed and awk, they gathered dust since perlism plague began
mircea_popescu: having / as a magical character should be a execution squad offence.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848770 -> not true! here: http://ossasepia.com/2015/10/13/hic-sunt-flotsams-on-eulora-or-the-brand-new-foxymaps/☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-08 17:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you and i may be the last folx still using sed and awk, they gathered dust since perlism plague began
mircea_popescu: ha-HA!
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848476 -> I might as well mention then that I will redirect noobs to #ossasepia where they can perhaps attempt to learn something or otherwise get banned☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-07 13:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848461 << plox not to do this "who are you" upping anymore.
mircea_popescu: nicoleci http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1I6n3/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: diana_coman sounds like a plan.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848650 << update : flashing in the uboot with the dram turd from vendor fw, did nothing detectable☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-08 15:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hah, pretty interesting : the dram turds differ by... 3 bytes
mircea_popescu: teh onions!
asciilifeform: well, can rule out dram init
mod6: Hi all, I wanted to get some review, on this manifest file that would be introduced into trb. It would be placed inside the 'bitcoin' directory along the 'Makefile' and 'src' directories. It follows trinque's proposal here: http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification
mod6: Here it is: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1sNFt/?raw=true
mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform trinque ben_vulpes ; et. al. ^
mod6: Thoughts?
mod6: Also, the name of the file would be 'manifest.txt'.