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asciilifeform: phf: recall, this is why asciilifeform earlier wanted a non-linecentric diff representation. then would not need special cases for clean ascii & bins.
asciilifeform: but nobody liked this, seems like errybody is addicted to lines.
phf: asciilifeform: i think the divergent points were a lot more elaborate than this particular reduction
asciilifeform: possibly, i'ma have to rewalk the pertinent l0gz when i get a chance
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bins in mp-wp tree, hanbot expertly ascii-ized.
asciilifeform: ah so no raw bins presently
asciilifeform: not in eulora either ? also asciilzied ?
mircea_popescu: you mean the client ? no-one's even bothered to genesis thart yet ; being replaced i expect.
asciilifeform: ah
mircea_popescu: there was NO discussion of "bion diffing". nor will there be. there was specified support ~for deletion of files~, which is WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
mircea_popescu: stop fucking squigee-ing around for maximum damage. what you're damaging is your own fucking house.
asciilifeform: if start of thread is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858965 , then mircea_popescu is correct, deletions suffice ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 17:12 asciilifeform: tangentially on-thread, it still bothers asciilifeform that he was unable to represent the diff b/w mircea_popescu's bitcoin-0.5.3.tar.gz and the genesis as a vpatch ( neither orig v nor current is able to represent the deletion of binariolade... )
asciilifeform: phf then you dun need bin diff/create.
mircea_popescu: right. phf was supposed to have ~support for deletion/movement/fullspecified filename~ baked in.
mircea_popescu: i can't currently conceive how the fuck he even MADE a vtools without it, because it was a root node and nothing works without it anyway (eg, i expect all the hashes he calculates are wrong)
mircea_popescu: but i am not currently in a position to take a day off and review poorly executed jobs in detail.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm mapping out the size of the hole, rather than dancing on mircea_popescu's toes for phun; have patience, if i've found this earlier, yer toes would not hurt nao.
mircea_popescu: phf when you calculate the file hash, do you take ~the full name~ plus "the content or just "the content" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if he's stuck to the old gnudiff format, which per my test appears to be the case, names aint hashed at all ( they're covered by the gpg sig of given patch, but that's it )
mircea_popescu: which is the fucking reason we even rewrote it.
asciilifeform: i actually posted an experimental vtron that hashed the names
asciilifeform: ( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-March/000293.html ; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html demo )
asciilifeform: but afaik this did not make it to the spec table
phf: mircea_popescu: the later, but i don't think that was the last iteration of your algorithm
phf: i'm trying to find the relevant thread right now
mircea_popescu: well now i'm reading through all dis, what can do. phf's four months at work resulted in same many months of rot, now we don't recall the spec, log is long, life is short, so on an' so forth.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever post a eulora-style full spec for the thing btw ?
asciilifeform: or only exists in log
mircea_popescu: only in log.
asciilifeform: this is dangerous, really oughta have spec, it's what sets us apart from teh apes
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-02#1792096 eg. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-02 23:57 mircea_popescu: at which juncture i suppose it'd pay to check, huh. hey phf, my memory of logs discussion includes this item whereby the above problem was fully resolved by declaring the path as inseparable part of the filename. you on the same page ?
mircea_popescu: apparently didn't so much pay to check.
phf: and later i say we're on the same page, and i have no idea why and how
mircea_popescu: and ~i~ should have written a blog article about it ? wtf would i put in it ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792105 << closest i found to spec for mircea_popescu's algo . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 00:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the logged discussion on the topic was, "if hashes match but paths do not, the file was moved ; if hashes match and paths match, the file is untouched ; if hashes do not match but paths match the file was modified ; if hashes do not match and paths do not match the file was created/deleted"
mircea_popescu: this is correct ; my above "hash the filename" was incorrect, or rather, inexact.
asciilifeform: it's entirely workable .
asciilifeform: ( in thread, mircea_popescu detailed how to make it go )
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: phf: i think errything you need, is in there.
phf: yes, i remember the algo, and algo requires that the hash is just of content. i thought i was entirely insane, because immediately after "hash the name + content" i say "we're on the same page"
mircea_popescu: phf "inseparable part of filename" != "hashed".
mircea_popescu: as i say, my latter statement of the notion was misleading & vague.
mircea_popescu: kinda what the problem is with these "brought back from the swamps of memory" items, the result takes some washing.
phf: mircea_popescu: the next line after the one you quoted is "all files are identified by hashesof their name and content"
mircea_popescu: i am aware.
asciilifeform: it is my understanding tho that it is impossible to apply the algo in the thread if one were to make file name part of file's hash.
asciilifeform: ( could no longer identify moved files automatically )
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: file names are covered by the gpg seal of given patch, tho, so it isn't as if people can get away with blindly renaming items in a patch. so if taking all of mircea_popescu's algo but the hashed-names part, you have a usable algo.
asciilifeform: and it dun even break the ancient format.
phf: asciilifeform: right, all the contemplated extensions were supposed to be backwards compatible. the ancient format allows for a lot of necessary leeway
mircea_popescu: i recall the succesion of steps of 1. being very happy with solution that was all smiles and no bruises ; 2. being satisfied that the people involved understood 1 ; 3. unloaded it from head. now in the nightmare consequent of "4. wait, what was it ?"
mircea_popescu: anyway, leaving aside the past half hour of chaos : how can it be simultaneously true that a) delivered item matches 3rd of april algo and b) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859041 ?! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly enuff, i was right in re the current phf-vdiff . observe : a) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5ZYgF/?raw=true << example of deleting a text file. in fact uses same deletion representation as ordinary gnudiff, where entire payload is quoted. b) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vl2Ca/?raw=true << attempt to represent deletion of 1MB from FG. result : same as in oldschool gnudiff.
phf: mircea_popescu: delivered item does not match 3rd of april algo. the algo was invented after delivered item was fully implemented with the idea that the algorithm can be added to the item transparently. but it was also around the time that i could no longer work on the item, so it remained unchanged since then
asciilifeform bbl,food
mircea_popescu: well, we'll hafta do something here ;/
phf: mircea_popescu: well, short of cutting my head off, or handing it over, i can add the missing bits
mircea_popescu: please.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859086 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:58 phf: i have couple of hours tomorrow, so i'll pick up the deletions and renames code either way, and either release it, or give an estimate for how long it will take me to bake it
BingoBoingo: As I await the board to approve the Pizarro report I bring a nugget from the research mines: "Just try to have a good time and work hard to find a better job. Budtending is nowhere land."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858998 << as far as anyone knows, it's still ~experimental~ item anyway. not that it'd be nice for it to work, but really, expecting ? i ain't expecting it to. it's a wonder things like eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858794 worked, but i frankly was not expecting anything as lofty as "piece of hardware can be made to work" ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 19:47 trinque: yep, I'm just making sure nobody expects more than "caught linux in working state at point in time" just yet
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 14:27 mircea_popescu: brought about by y.t. fixing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854603 through generous application of sewed out linux-wireless-compat-blabla. turns out the aeteron pci board included (mysteriously dubbed "revision 0032") works with cca 2015 vintage drivers, and them only.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wut is budtending ? serving budweiser ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's what the kids who weren't good enough to hussle on the corner call themselves when they work slinging redditized Monsanto behind a counter
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859002 << i can't say as i understand wtf portage even is ; and i nurse some doubts as to whether anyone (yes, yes, i know you know what you'd want it to be. however...) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 19:53 trinque: also questionable whether there's such thing as a republican portage, or whether it all ought to be trashed for something gprbuild-based and with far less optionality.
mircea_popescu: oh, like barristas for pot ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: Pretense and all
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859019 << certainly. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 20:03 asciilifeform: aha. and it should be possible to operate a cuntoo box with sporadic, or no, net pipe.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859022 << "woman without her man is nothing" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 20:06 asciilifeform: ( for non-ru folx -- traditional grammar school example of why gotta have correct punctuation, 'execute cannot spare' , toggleable opposite meanings with comma . anybody know of an engl-compatible version ? )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859081 +506 7250 3898 (that + is 011 from us/cadana afaik). ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:54 asciilifeform: also while mircea_popescu is awake : if you have the dest # for the 1-800 thing, plox to gpggram, i'ma bake it ( theoretically oughta be live in day or 2 from revv-up )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859082 << are you saying creations are not handled by linked algo ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:55 phf: there are three distinct options: deletions and renames (which is handled by mp algo), creations (that can be handled by e.g. <size><content in hex>) and diffing (which is top complexity, needing e.g. needleman-wunsch)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859095 << (important furtherance here : protocol as is being baked kinda removes all binary-ism from client tree, data to be received and cached as data rather than mangled into source tree as a sort of "divine cache" as currently practiced by ~all morons involved in gaming) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 00:05 mircea_popescu: you mean the client ? no-one's even bothered to genesis thart yet ; being replaced i expect.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859170 << that part of the discussion was about binary (the algo doesn't discriminate text or binary, but there's no support for binary creation in format), it was a panicked detour, that has been since resolved with "there's no binary in vpatch" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 01:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859082 << are you saying creations are not handled by linked algo ?
mircea_popescu: cool.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859159 << portage was the closest thing there was to 'where asciilifeform cribbed concept for v' -- except that it never worked well at all ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 01:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859002 << i can't say as i understand wtf portage even is ; and i nurse some doubts as to whether anyone (yes, yes, i know you know what you'd want it to be. however...)
asciilifeform: ( aside from rampant brokenness, in the years since gentoo author took 30 silvers from microshit and fucked it all ) would routinely get into circular wedges and fail in other 'interesting' ways
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859166 << how do i turn this into 2 possible sentences ? i only see 1... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 01:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859022 << "woman without her man is nothing"
mircea_popescu: "woman, without her man, is nothing" "woman. without her, man is nothing"
asciilifeform: aaa ~two~ punctuators aite
mircea_popescu: only one changes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how much traffic do you expect on the 800..? there's variant 14.49/0.07min and 17.99/0.066min where latter includes 223/mo
mircea_popescu: not like my hand calc even can tell the diff of dust between 15 and 18 dubaloos.
mircea_popescu: get the latter, why not. feel free to test it once on, also, give the girl a start.
asciilifeform: aite i'ma get the slightly cheaper-per one, we can switch laters
mircea_popescu: i dunno why we'd ever switch it lol. worst comes to worst, we use it like those old kgb stations, "voice of woman reading number sets"
asciilifeform: lolyes
asciilifeform: ok ordered
asciilifeform: somebody's gonna call the # apparently
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wake up the chix...
mircea_popescu: she needs to say something or anything specific ?
asciilifeform: unknown
asciilifeform: 'Step 1 - An account manager will call you to confirm and activate your service'
mircea_popescu: aok.
asciilifeform: cheap enuff experiment.
asciilifeform: if it eats my 'can of soda' coin, i'ma try another
asciilifeform: hrm, acct worx, no #s showing yet
asciilifeform: prolly pending confirm on bananistan end
mircea_popescu: this is a coffeestan!
mircea_popescu: this is a coffee, stan!
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: 'One of our representatives will review your order and enable your account shortly'
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Reynolds's_Political_Map_of_the_United_States_1856.jpg << pretty great actuarial item on the bottom of this. who knew ohio was 2nd largest state, ~6 californias ? who knew florida was smaller than rhode island ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858859 << speaking of which, edythe baker!! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 15:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, it was actually ~roll piano~ that nuked 'entertain self' music, rather than the scratchy phonograph of the time
mircea_popescu: nicoleci your phone became the end point for the bitcoin foundation's 800 number. if anyone calls do teh professional, and report here any issues or q's.
mircea_popescu: mod6 asciilifeform do you want her to prepare a script or anything ? fixed greeting ?
asciilifeform: latest update -- they ate asciilifeform's 17bux, but did not disgorge a form for choosing the # yet
asciilifeform: i suspect it's at least partially meat-powered shop : 'Please be advised that a sales (Account manager) will reach out to you at their earliest convenience .'
nicoleci: mircea_popescu, yes, Master
mircea_popescu: not like there's some rush.
asciilifeform: tru
hanbot: !Qauction 76M 72 500usd via WU
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 367 STARTED by hanbot: 500usd via WU Opening: 76M coppers Ending: 2018-10-10 04:01:52 UTC (72 hours)
BingoBoingo: And fat forehead party has come up with their response to #vivirsinmiedo... it is #UruguaySinViolenciaEnGenero
BingoBoingo: Very catchy
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/how-anthony-kiedis-killed-louise-ciccone/ << Trilema - How Anthony Kiedis killed Louise Ciccone
mod6: mircea_popescu: That seems at least like a decent place to start; some sort of greeting and gathering of contact information.
mod6: If the idea is for nicoleci to go further and answer questions from persons herself, yeah, we probably aught to have a list of pre-canned responses.
mod6 bbiab
mircea_popescu: will be happy to halp.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz, "A Banksy was left in shreds before an shocked audience moments after it was auctioned off at Sotheby’s in London for a record $1.4 million. The British artist, whose identity is still unknown, timed his painting, Girl With Balloon, to self-destruct via a shredder hidden in the artwork’s frame."
BingoBoingo: But what bigger Lulz is he distracting from? Trump got his judge, Bolnasaro is going to the beach tomorrow before beginning his run off campaign, and is Mosul still there or is it another six weeks?
mod6: !!ledger
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2fOKR/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: six tweaks.
BingoBoingo: sink twinks?
mod6: mircea_popescu: Cool, thanks. Was thinking that maybe nicoleci would start with a simple small set of pre-canned responses, and also collect contact information. And during the call, any questions not covered by set of canned responses, can be written down and handed back to the forum or Co-chairs for answsering.
mod6: Probably via email if that seems alright.
mod6: In a timely fashion of course, figure what, 48 hours? 72?
mod6: Also, unrelated to that... S.MG's UY3 invoice is still open (for september). Just a heads up - obviously no big worry or anything. Just saw that the S.MG statement is out there, didn't want ya to overlook that.
mod6: BingoBoingo: Please to bid 76M for hanbot's auction -- between this one and trinque's, we're already half-way there to next month. Not bad!
mod6: I'll send you the coins here in just a bit.
BingoBoingo: !Qbid 367 76M
lobbesbot: AUCTION # 367: 500usd via WU Heard: 76mn from BingoBoingo Ending: 2018-10-10 04:01:52 UTC (56 hours 57 mins)
mod6: Perfect, thank you.
mod6: !Qcalc 500/6400
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.078125
mod6: !Qcalc 2000/6100
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.327868852459
mircea_popescu: mod6 a sorry, will get to it presently!
mod6: no problem, Sir. :]
diana_coman: is uy3 the test s.mg server?
mod6: !Qcalc (0.078125 + 0.32786885)
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.40599385
mod6: diana_coman: Yeah.
diana_coman: aha, ok
mod6: mircea_popescu: To save you extra digging, it would have been an invoice from BingoBoingo.
mod6: !!pay BingoBoingo 0.40599385
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OlprV/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: diana_coman we keeping that open still are we ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes; atm it's anyway used for the udp
diana_coman: and it's the one running the proto-cuntoo; I think it's needed at least until we can migrate to cuntoo+gnat
mod6: !!v AB6CC90080B25F923650C9B30F6C717CF5ABA18538BA68029FAC3C5F86EC9949
deedbot: mod6 paid BingoBoingo 0.40599385
mod6: Alright BingoBoingo that's more than enough, but leaves you some wiggle room to make some counter-bids, should they be required.
BingoBoingo: ty, will also keep my eyes open for other new auctions that pop up
mod6: Any left over, can be simply retained by you, and accounted for next cycle, or you can send me back the remainder, if that's how you'd like to handle it.
mircea_popescu: alright.
mod6: Ok, if any others pop up, that I don't (for whatever reason) see, just holler. Will get ya the coins.
mircea_popescu: !!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 1
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SwclS/?raw=true
mod6: Thank you, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: *thumbsup*
mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform hanbot : Here's a stab at just the introduction part of the call-sheet: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IFdDG/?raw=true
mod6: Beyond this, a list of answers to some obvious first questions can be added. Other questions not covered can be written down and sent to us for answering, emailing resposnes.
mircea_popescu: just in case anyone else's making audio cd's for the car, for i in *.mp3; do ffmpeg -i "$i" -f wav "${i%}.wav"; done
mircea_popescu: piece of shit does not know what ffmpeg -i *.x *.y could POSSIBLY mean
BingoBoingo: In other news from insanity land: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/robo-a-sus-companeros-pero-el-bcu-no-la-destituyo-porque-devolvio-el-dinero-2018105212741
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey, restitution's a powerful tool.
BingoBoingo: "Este artículo lo puede ver en este link: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/robo-a-sus-companeros-pero-el-bcu-no-la-destituyo-porque-devolvio-el-dinero-2018105212741 "
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: resitution is powerful, but the mitigating factor was... kleptomania
mircea_popescu: heh
BingoBoingo: A clinical disposition to continue stealing
BingoBoingo: I mean 25 to 35 percent unemployment and the Banco Central is stuck with a klepto because "public employee"
mircea_popescu: in other news i fucking hate the manner in which windows tards create directories.
mircea_popescu: 60% spaces paranthesis quotes and other reserved signs by mass.
mircea_popescu: these people never fucking used a computer, have none of the habits of computer use, no implicit semantics, nada.
mircea_popescu: at least if they stuck to smileys and bs.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-lolz-inflation-continues-unabated/ << Trilema - The lolz inflation continues unabated.
BingoBoingo: Kinda what the pnoje movement is coraling them into. Directory structure free containment
BingoBoingo: Related: Can't make a fist? Want to punch Nazis? No Problem! http://archive.is/347IR
mod6 bbl
mircea_popescu: bwhaahahah
mircea_popescu: dude not a single one of those schmucks looks like they could stand their ground.
BingoBoingo: At this point whether someone looks like they can throw arespectable punch is a pretty good heruistic for sorting white trump voters from terminal pantsuits cucks
mircea_popescu: i believe.
mircea_popescu: the very feminine attitude, too, "here's my cunt, come find me". what the fuck ?! nobody's going anywhere looking for dorky boys.
BingoBoingo: Well, Frank the ditch might accidentally into some
mircea_popescu: and whenever that happens...
BingoBoingo: In still other news, Conner McDayofFailure lost a match in a his rules fight league. His opponent went on to apparently jump the cage and beat McDayofFail's corner while the victor's corner hopped in the cage and beat up on McDayofFail some more
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/facebook-today-nothing-but-cops-narcs-and-idiots/ << Qntra - Facebook Today Nothing But Cops, Narcs, and Idiots
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859283 << ugh 'cannot unsee!111' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 20:10 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-lolz-inflation-continues-unabated/ << Trilema - The lolz inflation continues unabated.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in trb observatory, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/10_5_6_7_ProcessBlock.txt
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859086 << picking up previous code, patcher already works (which is the easy part), but differ is not there yet. i should be able to get it working in the next week ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:58 phf: i have couple of hours tomorrow, so i'll pick up the deletions and renames code either way, and either release it, or give an estimate for how long it will take me to bake it
phf: ^ asciilifeform, mircea_popescu
phf: differ is also c code, i wanted to figure out how to make the rename tracking algo pure ada, and then have it drive the differ, rather than writing more c code, but i'll see if i can manage it
asciilifeform: phf: neato, lemme know if you need a hand
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-07#1859231 << will need to be instructed re basic trb doctrine ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-07 18:59 mod6: mircea_popescu: Cool, thanks. Was thinking that maybe nicoleci would start with a simple small set of pre-canned responses, and also collect contact information. And during the call, any questions not covered by set of canned responses, can be written down and handed back to the forum or Co-chairs for answsering.
phf: ty
phf: it was left behind on the x60, and picking up x60 again reminds me just how nice of machine it is
asciilifeform: phf: it is, innit.
asciilifeform: all but for the lcd
asciilifeform: ( i fucking hate the lcd on that thing )
asciilifeform: and the battery ( i've bought 4 types of replacement, incl. supposedly 'original', none lasted > 6 mo. )
asciilifeform: and none good for >3h when new
phf: right, i basically treat the battery as a ups, i.e. hold it long enough for me to move it from place to place
asciilifeform: i had to actually use it as a battery-powered box on pizarro voyage, and it sucked
asciilifeform: ( mass budget allowed for 2 batteries, and i ended up tossing one right there in BingoBoingostan )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I might have seen it at the feria recently on a table that also had a Macbook Air...
phf: i've traveled with it before, but yeah, i'd turn it off, plug it in somewhere, turn it on. c101pa on the other hand has an insane battery life: i've been running it in pure console mode, and it will last a day or two
asciilifeform: phf: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/x60_piz_roof.jpg << subj. no mains socket on that roof.
asciilifeform: phf: c101pa would last ~week if power management thing worked...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'crapple air' suxx ballz, i wrote mine off long ago
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on top of crappleism -- actually ~slower~ than x60, and smaller battery, and shit kbd
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Likely how it made it to the feria. Feria is powered by dumpster finds and sticky fingers
asciilifeform: and for its cost you can buy 4 or 5 x60
asciilifeform: phf: i drained the battery in ~2h on airplane (putting finishing touches on rk gentoo), then again in the rack (1st usa->orc mains plug brick fell apart) then again on roof...
phf: what's kind of silly and i think mp made that point a while ago, that none of the manufacturers of that vintage attempted to do a swapable battery. a dual battery slot, or a smaller internal battery that would keep the thing powered for ~60 seconds it takes to switch the battery
asciilifeform: phf: thought about soldering a supercap in there
asciilifeform: but not much room