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lobbes: esthlos, you ever consider pizarro shared hosting for your blog? over 99.8% uptime (math used to calculate uptime rate > http://archive.is/7hPmN#selection-1537.42-1539.18)
mircea_popescu: guy's not kiddin' about sellin'.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/let-me-tell-you-how-bad-i-have-it/ << Trilema - Let me tell you how bad I have it
esthlos: lobbes: would be happy to. good incentive to get my minimal btc out of fractional reserve scambase
mircea_popescu: aaanbd for today's installment of "tales of faffing n' faffers", let's look to 2014! http://trilema.com/2014/an-inventory-of-a-prison/#selection-53.0-55.20
mircea_popescu: henpecking, that ever-so-improbable predictor of personal failure in males.
lobbes: esthlos: now this is very true; if you're going to trust your coin to a 3rd party, it may as well be someone in-wot. anyways, whenever you want to set up an account hop on over to #pizarro. I'm sure BingoBoingo or mod6 can get you started
ben_vulpes: esthlos: deedbot is right there, and a fine shared wallet
deedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/logbot-multiple-channels-corrected-on-gentoo-tips-n-tricks-for-the-uninitiated/ << lobbesblog - logbot-multiple-channels-corrected on Gentoo: Tips n' Tricks for the Uninitiated
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836553 << asciilifeform we had this discussion and you barfed at the binary firmware which is still necessary, even for 10y old cards☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 19:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reportedly 10yr vintage cards can be set up without binturd. ( asciilifeform not tried yet. )
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836426 <-- funny. even bucharest, the shithole capital of nowhere in particular, with its swamp atmosphere, managed to get rid of the little bastards in the last decade. 20 yrs ago, very similar "mosquito hell".☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 16:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: here in mosquito hell, all i gotta do is to walk three metres out of front door to rubbish pin, and 5-6 welts
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836595 << the vga bios ?? it's, what, 80kB, and runs on boot strictly, you can disasm it ( e.g. see that it dun install oddball smm handlers etc ) , problem is that the work ain't worth much for any 3d card known to me, because still demands multi-MB kernel bincrapola☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 09:23 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836553 << asciilifeform we had this discussion and you barfed at the binary firmware which is still necessary, even for 10y old cards
asciilifeform: spyked: very interesting -- did they bring back the use of ddt ??
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836594 << pretty great. but reminded me , 'As such, I'm just going to provide a pointer to the Quicklisp installation page and leave it at that' << at some point 'quicklisp' will have to be cured. right nao it's an open-ended heathen hole.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 07:23 deedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/logbot-multiple-channels-corrected-on-gentoo-tips-n-tricks-for-the-uninitiated/ << lobbesblog - logbot-multiple-channels-corrected on Gentoo: Tips n' Tricks for the Uninitiated
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836591 << aah but the linked trilema piece doesn't even tell us about the d00d's henpecking . but luckily the l0gz do: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-28#1440752☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 04:53 mircea_popescu: henpecking, that ever-so-improbable predictor of personal failure in males.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-28 15:32 asciilifeform: lives, iirc, under the heel of his wife (i could be mistaken, but did get this impression from the 4-5 h we spent together)
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in noose re olds , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699874 >> https://archive.is/JU7ai << 'arbitrary code execution by exploiting a vulnerability within the Lua scripting language engine... ...can be exploited remotely...'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 02:24 mircea_popescu: not just the art. wesnoth thing is fine example. apparently someone's idea of "fun" and "playing" is... click through list in cycles.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was pretty evident. the end result of the societal changes driven by the roosevelt-socialist government (aptly summarized as "female is the only legitimate owner of property") is that 2nd generation consists of these innefectual males bound to the great mother through the simple fact that well, she owns the hut.
mircea_popescu: a sickening display, especially when they pretend this has something to do with "civilisation". it eminently does not, castration is not medicine and cuckoldry is not civilisation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, i wasn't surprised when d00d confessed. ( tho admittedly 'under the heel' d00dz existed in the past, and even orcistan, e.g. saharov )
asciilifeform: it's a character flaw, property chumpatronics has very little to do with it i suspect
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between when stupidity is a character flaw, such as in mongolia, and when stupidity is a social requirement, such as in san francisco.
asciilifeform: or hey, consider the old shoemaker.
asciilifeform: he wasn't a cuck because elena owned his house. simply had malfunctioning balls.
mircea_popescu: yes, obesity always existed. not like at walmart. yes cancer always existed. not like in detroit. and so following.
asciilifeform: right
mircea_popescu: shoemaker WAS A SOCIALIST
asciilifeform: so was, say, stalin.
mircea_popescu: i'm talking of human beings here. obviously the scum is broken.
mircea_popescu: i don't hold stalin in much more regard either.
asciilifeform holds post-1941 stalin in quite high regard.
asciilifeform: pre-'41 stalin was a sort of precocious kid.
mircea_popescu: why ?
asciilifeform: cuz 'Сталин принял Россию с сохой, а оставил с атомной бомбой'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: ok, but this is like holding djb in a lot of regard because mathematician. sure, certainly. yet still utter shithead when it comes to you know, living, or making sense of & in the world.
mircea_popescu: the shoemaker's literal shoemaking skills, admirable as they might've been, fail to hold interest.
asciilifeform: dunno, last d00d who managed to make orcs perform to human spec, was peter. apparently they happen erry 300y or so.
mircea_popescu: so if someone demonstrated how to produce handheld calculator out of 100 tons of oak trunks, you'd do anything besides shake your head ?
mircea_popescu: "wouldn't it be cheaper to do it the normal way ?" "what then of all this wood ?" "i dunno, make tootpicks or something"
asciilifeform: i would, if whole of 'civilized europe' crushed like insect under said 'calculator'.
mircea_popescu: "god damn it, wood is to have a future also!!11 it will be butter, it will be glass!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, it might crush whole of your left foot. would that impress greatly ?
mircea_popescu: "what sort of foot is this, doesn't even crush 100 tons of wood trunks!!!"
mircea_popescu: in short, seems to me a tad simplified, all this.
asciilifeform: i seem to recall mircea_popescu speaking approvingly of e.g. tamerlane, garbage-collecting whole continent of defective civs
asciilifeform: it needs doin'.
mircea_popescu: stalin garbage collected nothing, which is how we have the wailing set of today's "germans".
mircea_popescu: about as german as i'm gay.
asciilifeform: this -- valid.
asciilifeform: however personally i count it as lucky break that he left some romanians, heh.
mircea_popescu: roflmao.
asciilifeform can't comment fully objectively, as he is muchly product of the 'wood trunk' , in 9000 ways.
mircea_popescu: anyway. socialist, see ? what "garbage collecting" ended up meaning for him was "how about we send a buncha caucasian farmboys to give berliner chicks a mn or so not-specifically-wanted new pregnancies. so they can all grow up "together" and sing lalala."
mircea_popescu: this... i mean, sure, man's admirable. but what he sets himself to doing, is both driven by inept ideology and dysfunctional. heroic as he might be in the doing, the deed's ultimately fucking stupid.
mircea_popescu: as that expression goes, "the smartest tools in the world aren't worth diddly squat when applied to a faulty premise"
mircea_popescu: kinda how the usg manages to produce nothing out of the shredding of whatever their share of rembrandts & eulers would be, in a population 20 times the size.
mircea_popescu: you know the joke with the insane asylum residents loading a truck ?
asciilifeform: funnily enuff , stalin by all appearances realized that he's working with defectives, went through 3 rounds of killing off the left half of his staff , evidently needed 4th, 5th, but old age caught up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hm?
mircea_popescu: truck stops in insane asylum courtyard, the locals are drafted to help unloading. happily they proceed : three get up on the bed on the left side, throw things to people down, who pass it hand-by-hand to the people on the right side, who build it right up. "merge treaba ?" "merge!!!11"
asciilifeform: ahahalol
mircea_popescu: my grandmother told me this joke when i was 5 or so. i had forgotten it ; but then i met america, and hence i can't get it out of my mind.
asciilifeform: applies!
mircea_popescu: "how to ensure a future for our children ?" "by elaborately doing nothing with all we've got all day long!" "but... why ?!" "because then they'll be perfectly able to do exactly what we're doing in turn, and the doing something will maybe be forgotten!"
mircea_popescu: thence "human rights" aka nobody HAS TO ever do anything ; and "caring for the environment" ie nobody can use anything external for any purpose ; and "raising awareness" ie "isn't your bellybutton lint fascinating!!" and so fucking on.
asciilifeform: bonsaikittenization via 'comfort' is well-understood process, it killed erry empire to date.
mircea_popescu: and indeed it works splendidly, i can't remember the last time anyone noteworthy was born in our colonies.
asciilifeform: soon as they sat down on the 'comfort' train, as described in http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/#selection-103.0-103.437 , it was done deal.
asciilifeform: 'It's really very much a thing, and the collapse of traditional society, with its reusable houses intended for multiple generations, populated with cast iron pots capable of making many thousands of meals and solid oak tables to be slowly ground into cleanliness each week eerily reflects the return of agitated young males from the battlefields of World War Two. Who's going to tell "our brave boys" that they can't have what they want
asciilifeform: ? And so traditional culture gave way to consumerist culture, proper meals became bags of chips and bottles of pop not for any other reason than the satisfying tearing sound, that fschhhh of a bottle that's never again going to be a bottle ever again, and here we are'
mircea_popescu: this reads familiar...
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: observe, stalin sent a good 1 in 4 of 'brave boys' to go an' cut wood, dig for uranium. so bought his project another 50y.
asciilifeform brb,teatime
mircea_popescu: i'm not impugning either the man or his work product. yes, through stalin "russian" became a thing to be, much like through hammurabi or david or whatever prior etc.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure he meant well and he tried hard and all that, heck, reduced the peasantry something fierce.
mircea_popescu: but the fundamental failure imported via http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818281 leads to this sad situation where asciilifeform , product of said wood as he deems himself, is sitting with idiots all day playing their idiocy games, so as to be able to work at making small faberge eggs with me at night, informally an' under the covers. why the fuck is not asciilifeform working on really great faberge eggs in the tzar's own p☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 18:22 asciilifeform: ( recall mao's, when asked 'was french rev a good idea' 'too soon to say' )
mircea_popescu: alace in st leninburg ?
mircea_popescu: they shot the wrong part of the tzar, of course. as per ye olde, ye eternally olde and never going anywhere http://trilema.com/2015/the-rabbi-and-the-ewe/#selection-39.437-39.522
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836599 yes i meant that kernel bincrapola☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 13:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836595 << the vga bios ?? it's, what, 80kB, and runs on boot strictly, you can disasm it ( e.g. see that it dun install oddball smm handlers etc ) , problem is that the work ain't worth much for any 3d card known to me, because still demands multi-MB kernel bincrapola
jurov: all opensource drivers depend on the "sys-kernel/linux-firmware" package too
mircea_popescu: jurov do you know why ?
jurov: no
mircea_popescu: if we're lucky enough it could simply be a "because nobody could be arsed to make it properly before, but could simply be replaced with source"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836668 << entirely so.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 14:21 mircea_popescu: but the fundamental failure imported via http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818281 leads to this sad situation where asciilifeform , product of said wood as he deems himself, is sitting with idiots all day playing their idiocy games, so as to be able to work at making small faberge eggs with me at night, informally an' under the covers. why the fuck is not asciilifeform working on really great faberge eggs in the tzar's own p
mircea_popescu: this cult of the holy subtitution, you know ? "we'll replace 30mn germans with 100mn russians, through a whole lotta http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#922644 ; it's true they're not very good, but they can fight acceptably even with wooden musket!"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe.
mircea_popescu: "why would you want to fight with a wooden musket ?" "THEY ARE CHEAPER TO MAKE!" "they also don't work ?" "nevertheless!"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836675 << it's similar to the situation with the GB nics ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631811 thread ) -- the opentards write driver which includes half a meg of .h hexolade, 'initializations', lifted from the vendor turd, and somehow this still is considered 'open'☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 14:29 mircea_popescu: jurov do you know why ?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 16:33 asciilifeform: GB nics have 2 parts, that are electrically independent and often made by separate firms, the 'mac' and 'phy' (the latter is what actually drives the transformer, the former -- what you/os think of as 'the nic')
mircea_popescu: to which a cripple by the sidelines is quick to add "besides, it's not true they don't work in any absolute, objective sense. if everyone used wooden muskets they'd work out in the end just as good as now..."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836677 << coupla yrs back asciilifeform was able to guess the internal arch and disasm some of that nic init crapola. it's completely meaningless without somehow reversing the die -- consists of coupla thousand writes to hardware regs of unknown function. i suspect that this is entirely typical.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 14:34 mircea_popescu: if we're lucky enough it could simply be a "because nobody could be arsed to make it properly before, but could simply be replaced with source"
mircea_popescu: that is that ; this was linux system binaryism.
asciilifeform: ( cpu microcode is same story )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: both examples are 'linux system binarism' here
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: it simply happens that asciilifeform prioritized nics over vga
asciilifeform: ( i can live w/out vga... )
mircea_popescu: in the end, making hardware registers is cheap enough...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-28#1440750 << trying to read this old log and it makes no fucking sense whatsoever ?! opponent, what ?!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-03-28 15:29 phf: guy come strutting after his opponent leaves and starts talking tough? i don't know him, but that just spells loser
mircea_popescu: o wait, meanwhile scrolled up enough ; this is the very dragon day, isn't it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc thread was about TaT et al making brief comeback to kako chan
mircea_popescu: the workings of the stupid brain. he EVIDENTLY KNOWS what he's doing wrong, and why and wherefore. necessarily, or else what, it's all an accident ?
asciilifeform: i've since forgotten over what precisely he was finally drummed out... iirc he raised a stink over demise of 'war of life' www or something related
mircea_popescu: this is definitely the contribution of modernity to the human bestiary, items who know plain well they're doing the wrong thing and proceed nevertheless. such a wonder'd be incomprehensible to say aristotle.
mircea_popescu: not encountered in the classical world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea, schmuck never had the decency to say.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740888 << aah there we go.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 00:45 asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/waroflife-swol-october-2014-statement-closing/ << subj
mircea_popescu: oh you think ?!
asciilifeform: iirc that was when he dropped off the radar, fwiw.
mod6: jesus, that was in '14
mod6: where does the time go, eh?
asciilifeform: later he was seen consorting with gavin, kanzure et al.
mircea_popescu: lol recall the good old days of 2012, when a "different" confederacy of dunces was all herpaderp ?
mod6: :]
mircea_popescu: i expect as the empire loses any hope of "oh, mp doesn't matter, we got ethereum" we'll be coming right back to that, "consensus" stuff.
asciilifeform was partially tuned in , but barfed, in those days, hence the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 item etc
mod6: As long ago as S.WOL closed, the Foundation was started up the same month.
asciilifeform: ( prior to that was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825518 and entirely uninterested in dealing with 'btc komyooniti' in any shape whatsoever )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-14 18:51 asciilifeform: trinque: in trips down lulzmemorylane, asciilifeform blew a good % of 2011 on halfcocked attempt to get miner going on surplus-usg boards with xilinx fpgas (in varying conditions of mutilation)
mircea_popescu: mod6 nah, there was something else, i suspect rather http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
mircea_popescu: ie, i think the item was dood's idea, i supported it (ie, with money), then when it became obvious there can't be such a thing as "altcoin" i stopped supporting it and plainly said so (and why).
asciilifeform: that was a quite serious experimental result. d00d oughta have taken it as honour to have helped produce it
mod6: I've got a boat load of ATC still.
mircea_popescu: i believe he just couldn't cope, because a) "this dude supported MY IDEA!!!! and then withdrew without ~private~ consultation" and b) this dude SPOKE OUT as to the flaws of item. both of these barbaric acts contradicted his expectations (because ustards #1 contribution to the "value add" of any "company" or "project" they're involved with is hiding its flaws from the public)
mircea_popescu: and then he just couldn't cope, because items like "there's no need for private consultation once thermodynamics makes the purpose illegitimate" is just not something he ever encountered or can deal with.
asciilifeform: i can picture this. it beggars belief tho, because ' mp: d00d, yer tanker has no bottom ' ' tat: but i want to sail!! ' 'mp : sail by yerself then '
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but there's a tradition of petty characters taking poorly to "unexpected" (or, even more cheekily, "undesirable") experimental results.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno how much time you spent in boardrooms of "blue chip" usg "companies", but this is ~99.9x% of the fare.
asciilifeform: it's exactly same, afaik, diff is that they got the printing press
mircea_popescu: and it is a fundamental problem, yes. the idea that impossibility is a legitimate secret is fundamental to the whole construction. not here and there, but quite universally and to laughable extents.
mircea_popescu: anyway, he could have handled it a lot better, but it's one of those "girl come out of a whore dynasty and who spent most of her days on porn set even since she was 5 could've handled her dress coming off at the wedding party better". sure, she could've, if anyone had as much as told her that not all parties consist of her taking all available cocks in all available holes.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i expect i might too. nfi.
mircea_popescu: anyway, hurting people who misbehave in face of "unexpected" (or, even more cheekily, "undesirable") experimental results is definitely a prime directive. because if you don't do it, you'll end up being friends with them, and being friends with them is going to ruin you for experimental work. cue that whole "liars can't be scientists" discussion here.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836702 -> hm, what, people didn't use to lie to themselves that well or what? I rather suspect it's simply that they don't leave any trace/interest over that much time☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 15:14 mircea_popescu: this is definitely the contribution of modernity to the human bestiary, items who know plain well they're doing the wrong thing and proceed nevertheless. such a wonder'd be incomprehensible to say aristotle.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman aristotle literally says "no one would do wrong knowingly".
diana_coman: yes; but "know"..
mircea_popescu: this is such a central part of classical discourse on ethics, and it perdures so undisturbed any serious criticism, that...
diana_coman: he "knows" rather than knows
diana_coman: hence my "lying to themselves"
mircea_popescu: well ok, if you prefer, "the modernity contribution to humanity is to produce shattered knowers" ?
mircea_popescu: not even diogenes, as vitriolic as he was throughout, attacks ~this~ particular point.
mircea_popescu: to no ancient mind that i know of, this "i know it's wrong, and yet i do it" fundamental of bureaucracy was anything but xenon, of a sort beyond insanity.
diana_coman: that sounds actually a perfect description; shattered knowers indeed
mircea_popescu: anyway, i fully blame christianity for this particular disaster. the introduction of "sin", ie, "things that are right and you do but arbitrarily called wrong" is what created the crease in the human psyche, ripe then for the reversion of modernity, bureaucracy's own "i know it's wrong, and yet i do it".
diana_coman: funnily enough I was thinking precisely of that mapping: the "it's wrong but I did it" ~= "sin"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, sin is a term for "arbitrarily defined wrongs that aren't".
diana_coman: and oh, we are all sinners anyway (metoo!!) but as long as ...repent, it's ok
mircea_popescu: hard to miss the similarity between one treponema pallidum and another. yes that's the corckscrew it used to destroy tissue.
mircea_popescu can't look at the monstrous gummatous heads on display at teh musée de l'homme and not thing "look! christians!"
diana_coman: lol! why syphilis specifically?
mircea_popescu: transmitted chiefly through sex, right ? seemingly "healthy" right ? lengthy history of "cures", brought upon us by the french for the orient... take your pick.
mircea_popescu: the similarities far surpass the differences.
mircea_popescu: pretty much in any one definite aspect you pick, christianity is more likely to resemble syphilis than any other thing.
diana_coman: antibiotic as cure too, might be, lol
mircea_popescu: lol. but this aside, it is true that the alternate hypothesis is simply "complexity drives the shattering by itself".
mircea_popescu: diana_coman for the record, i count this in confirmation. if we look at plots-over-time, the introduction of antibiotics limited severely but not completely eliminated both afflictions.
mircea_popescu: one could say "but mp, you've not explained the manner in which antibiotics and xtianity interract", which seems like an argument until you stop to realise the mechanism of action of fucking paracetamol is not yet understood either.
diana_coman: basically a super-bug, requires a stronger anti-biotic
asciilifeform: hey shinohai -- loox like your www eggogs
mircea_popescu: !!up shinohai
deedbot: shinohai voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: its up for me
lobbesbot: shinohai: Sent 1 day, 0 hours, and 54 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836359 << ?? plox to comment.
asciilifeform: shinohai: loads nao; looks like intermittent thing
shinohai: Might eventually rehome www, but have current one paid up so meh.
mod6: If you and lobbes make amends, you could be a Pizarro customer.
Mocky: !!rated lobbes shinohai
deedbot: lobbes has not rated shinohai.
Mocky: mod6, why not customer today?
asciilifeform: !!rated shinohai
deedbot: asciilifeform rated shinohai 3 at 2018/01/24 23:16:20 << heathendom newsdesk; pogotronics, trb, FG experimenter
mircea_popescu: !!ratings shinohai
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/I9tTE/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!reputation shinohai
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hfynq/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: mod6 no - there, am i blind ?
asciilifeform: lol i dun see any minus either
asciilifeform: and d00d oughta self-voice.
mod6: Mocky: Like he said, I think he's got another arrangement paid up. But there is the other question of the -2 from lobbes. And there was a rule we put in place a while ago, whereby if a TMSR Lord had neg-rated you, you couldn't become a customer.
asciilifeform: mod6: look in the actual wot -- dun seem like there's a current rating from lobbes at all
mircea_popescu: http://wot.deedbot.org/260fa57bce677a5c04bf60ba4a75883cc1b1d34c.html << there it is.
mod6: Oh maybe the deedbot webpage isn't up to date. Lemme check the rep link above.
asciilifeform: oh hm, bug ??
mod6: Oh perhaps lobbes removed it.
asciilifeform: hey trinque , which table of these is actually realtime ?
mircea_popescu: !!gettrust lobbes shinohai
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 11 by 8 connections.
mircea_popescu: removed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the wot graph etc is ~daily.
mod6: Well, with that removal, shinohai is clear, and may become a customer if he so desires. :]
mircea_popescu: looking at my own, it's definitely more than a day, seeing how eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834548 is not reflected, and week+ old.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 16:12 mircea_popescu: !!rate elaineo -10 http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/
mircea_popescu: trinque listen, the usefulness of that thing is significantly hampered by mounting inaccuracy like this. can it be made to be <daily ?
trinque: last timestamps on the files are from earlier today.
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 1 day, 3 hours, and 3 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> possible bug in wot display ( https://archive.is/3Z7ZW , scroll to bottom )
trinque: will have to see wtf when I get a sec
mircea_popescu: trinque but i look : http://archive.is/2I97y#selection-12063.1-12079.110
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836681 << was rereading this vintage thread; funnily enough , early pre-vtronics discussion☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 15:04 a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe.
mircea_popescu: just about.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the day's crop of fetlolz, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YddxO/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: how exactly "I would like to warn you. I come from a very strong German family." squares up with "I lived as an involuntary slave for three years so excuse me for not being interested in being a sub to a male." is anyone's guess ; but we could of course suspect that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836639 an' http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-25#992038 respectively apply.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 13:59 mircea_popescu: about as german as i'm gay.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-25 20:41 decimation: "Concretely, this has meant giving massive publicity and a momentous political significance to the 17 people killed in the Charlie Hebdo and related attacks. This contrasts sharply with the treatment given to any number of other recent tragedies: the 1,400 girls raped by largely Pakistani gangs in Rotherham, England, the tens of thousands of victims of Islamist terrorism in Syria, and the over 4,000 people killed in the Donbass
mircea_popescu: and then she wants to pick a beef with ~me~ of all fucking people.
asciilifeform: 'And he’ll yes I treat my life like a supermarket. It’s my gd life for fucks sake lol' << ahahaha jwz!
asciilifeform: 'I don’t wear my tail because it’s cute or looks good in photos. I wear it because inside I’m untamable as a wild animal' << aaa waat
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: pretty much no one part goes with any other part, it's like in that joke with the policemen intelligence test.
mircea_popescu: 1% of policemen -- intelligent. 99% -- strong.
asciilifeform: reminds me of a daily life lulz ; not long ago asciilifeform repaired a washing machine, early '90s item , one of the last made in usa . and it had clamps on internal hoses that could not be reached with any conceivable tool, repairer was evidently expected to supply 20-30kg of squeeze with... hand.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, in my head summary goes like "rambunctious 16yo attempted to http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ ; ended up with inept pimp ; found "jesus" in the shape of http://trilema.com/2018/hey-women-did-you-know-that-before-the-pantsuited-hilarity-gave-you-your-civil-rights-you-were-living-in-slavery/ neo-neoprotestant xtianity ofshot". so now she finds herself in this situation where fire is bad because it burned her aun
mircea_popescu: ty and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds about right. keeps normies away from getting in trouble, 1950s childproofing.
asciilifeform: keeps little gurlz away, i guess
asciilifeform had no prob with clamps
mircea_popescu: eulora for a long time had a "no craft table inside craft table" rule heh.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/cloud-mining-op-hashflare-runs-away-from-bitcoin-mining-contracts/ << Qntra - Cloud Mining Op Hashflare Runs Away From Bitcoin Mining Contracts
mircea_popescu: "the problem that has arisen" huh.
mircea_popescu: but at least the "investor" "herpderpwearebtc" crowd is now on assbook.
BingoBoingo: Not long before the rest of them are trapped there
mod6: jurov: Hi, can you take a look and see if there is an email from me stuck in the btc-dev queue? I did check the signature was valid before I sent, but nothing has been posted yet.
mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic: The Bitcoin Foundation's vtree has been updated with asciilifeform's Aggressive PushGetBlocks vpatch. The TRB-HowTo Guide has been updated as well.
asciilifeform: oh hey
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to update stable trb tree in http://btcbase.org/patches from mod6's
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mod6: Thanks, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: 1st patch to make it to flagship branch since 'makefiles', iirc.
mod6: Yup, there are some more that I want to add in there as well. Got them on the conveyor.
asciilifeform: mod6: there's the manifest thing; what else was there
mod6: Hm, I wasn't taking about the manifest thing really, which is another whole question not completely answered.
asciilifeform: mod6: then which ?
mod6: But I was thinking of ben's hash truncation, and maybe his increased aggression. We'll see.
asciilifeform: aah
mod6: Almost for sure the former.
asciilifeform: imho ben's oughta be a toggle, for side-by-side test
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836790 <<< see: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-6-1#367373 - Especially since said company operates partly on funds from a foundation I assisted and donated to for years.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 16:36 mod6: Well, with that removal, shinohai is clear, and may become a customer if he so desires. :]
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-02 22:57 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820300 <<< Even if this were resolved, I have pretty much decided Pizarro wouldn't meet my current needs or risk profile, if at anytime after posession of my BTC and equipment one of the lords might LARP about and negrate me.
mod6: asciilifeform: agreed
shinohai: Also, kudos on the m/l update
asciilifeform: shinohai: didja see the deedbot www thing, where you have null strings for all yer outgoing ratings ? was this deliberate setting, or is trinque's mechanism buggy ?
asciilifeform brb,tea
shinohai: asciilifeform: I simply rated all that mattered on my list with single integer until dust settled.
shinohai: No bug on trinque 's part
mircea_popescu: mod6 been a while huh! nice
mod6: Thanks, Sir.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836840 << and you perceive this is different from ~literally~ every single other isp out there without exception how, exactly ? other than, of course, that here ~you actually know~ the lords, and can talk to them without having to be me and http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-i-ended-up-suing-phoenix-nap-llc-on-how-ira-r-cadwells-mom-stephanies-going-to-lose-her-chula-vista-home-on-how-marcus-boh☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 19:56 mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-02 22:57 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-02#1820300 <<< Even if this were resolved, I have pretty much decided Pizarro wouldn't meet my current needs or risk profile, if at anytime after posession of my BTC and equipment one of the lords might LARP about and negrate me.
mircea_popescu: n-is-going-to-catch-a-lot-of-shit-for-that-on-assorted-othe/ ?
mircea_popescu: something is broken in this reasoning ; or rather should i say something broken keeps right on producing paralogisms come hell or, apparently, high water. now, what exactly is it ?
shinohai: Current provider is in US, I can sue anytime I like. Working well for Johnson & Johnson so far.
mircea_popescu: o you can sue! i see.
mircea_popescu: so then if that's your preferred mechanism, the obvious question would be, what are you doing here ?
shinohai: Well I stopped in here as it is the preferred forum for trb matters, but if my presence is not welcome - well then!
mircea_popescu: leaving aside practical points such as "there's not yet been a case in suedocket that took less than the longest the forum ever took to resolve a matter, and by a factor at that", not to mention this is yet the only court that doesn't charge filing fees, and other minutia.
mircea_popescu: shinohai your presence is not ~impressive~, which seems to be the principal problem you're having. no, it's not, and this has nothing to do with anyone else but you.
asciilifeform: shinohai: can relax, nobody is out to eat you, and yer a+++ trb tester, my rating for instance stands.
trinque: asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-7-31#402252
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-07-19 08:03 shinohai: Also, implying I care to contribute to the "Republic" anymore.
mircea_popescu: i for one'd have been infinitely more impressed with ~some sort!!!~ of mark of reflection in the vein of "holy shit, i've been doing it for months, produced ~0.0% of what this douchebag character the wind just blew in one day produced". because that's that's ever impressive, clear signs that the intelect's alive, not dead in the box.
asciilifeform: trinque: i assumed d00d changed his mind, given as he came back, appears to have resumed useful work
mircea_popescu: don't you find, in some sort of inner fold, that the situation where you're the baron titsbare and this other dood's getting the tits bare requires some sort of introspection ? at all ? nada ?
asciilifeform: afaik shinohai dun have dayjob, so only thing competing for his attention is the beach. so potentially could do serious work.
mircea_popescu: and that potentially stretched like melting cheese, over years.
asciilifeform: !#born shinohai
a111: 2015-03-17 <shinohai> ty danielpbarron. how goes it in the land of #bitcoin-assets
a111: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-17#1055347
asciilifeform: ~3y. young fella.
mircea_popescu: adlai died younger.
asciilifeform: tru
mircea_popescu: it ~can~ be done, especially if one sets his mind to it.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, this "omg guise why are you not more impressed with my potential" is 2013 fare, and indulgently.
shinohai: Speaking of the beach, I'm off. No time to rehash trivial shit.
shinohai: !!down
mircea_popescu: right, because unfucking a fucked head's literally the last priority.
asciilifeform: imho he quite definitely has a brain, and isn't politically disaligned, even ( his www is imho a++, sorta qntra-flavoured ) , but recently bit by a tick or sumthing, preoccupied with some inscrutable insult to honour or i dunno. potentially recoverable.
trinque: I figure let kicking patient die.
asciilifeform: trinque: all else being equal, i prefer to at least try an' triage , not like we're awash in surplus hands. but whoknows, possibly yer right
mod6: Well, as he said, I don't think he's interested in contributing to TMSR~ any longer. Even if he wants to follow trb, for instance, can do so from the BTC-DEV list.
trinque: eh I extended the same kind of thing in that thread I linked
mod6: No need to hang around, really.
asciilifeform: d00d gotta figure out what he wants, and quickly, or will surely end up on wrong end of the 'кто не с нами тот против нас'(tm)(r) stick
mircea_popescu: well, either that or he's gonna sue.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, part of the problem is that on one hand http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836436 and on the other hand the sort of people who even go to business school so to speak, choose that through a very "less work than tech" heuristic. which means they find it EXCEEDINGLY difficult to not play-to-the-thrown-curve, so to speak.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 18:05 mircea_popescu: yes, teh republic is un poco carente in the commercial lines ; nevertheless the epsilon here far exceeds the zero there.
asciilifeform: i dun even get it, myself, all this allergic rash on a d00d who wasn't even negrated
mircea_popescu: which is how we've ended up with the ridiculous situation we find ourselves in, a sort of "left arm three times thicker than right -- jacks off with left"
trinque: asciilifeform: wanted to bail far earlier, got his opportunity
trinque: what was it, your "coiled snake" term?
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun get it, could've quit any time, nobody is keeping anybody
asciilifeform: trinque: if he had hidden grudge etc, it is mystery to me, against whom, and over what.
mircea_popescu: in any case, any fix to the "why is republic so weak commercially ??" question will contain ample doses of beating the "i did enough work -- as compared to line average" approach out of the hopefuls.
mircea_popescu: trinque you should probably publish those http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1647094 ; because to the https://archive.is/FBFvR#selection-3637.1-3759.26 / redditard mind this is somehow the grand equalizer, "they're gonna sue". cuz that's something they can totallies do and everything.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 18:06 trinque eyeballs his roughly 100k legal bill from last year
mircea_popescu: inescapably reminds me of mimi' going "spara, brigadiere!", because srsly now.
trinque: the fucker only got bigger; yeah, I might throw that up redacted sometime
trinque: only thing suing can do is bankrupt the other side. sort of a breath-holding contest
mircea_popescu: well not according to a captioned image i found on instagram!
mircea_popescu: but yes, getting movement through courts is a WHOLE lot more skilled work than getting a whatever the fuck nothing he didn't do, i don't even remember, social media something or the other.
jurov: mod6: done
mod6: Great! Thanks :]
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-July/000305.html
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836863 << how useful is useful ? because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516905 for instance goes quite well with the unflattering self-portrait he's been working on ever since april.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 20:18 asciilifeform: trinque: i assumed d00d changed his mind, given as he came back, appears to have resumed useful work
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 19:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516894 << holy FUQ shinohai do you also use a hammer when vga plug won't fit into keyboard jack ?
mircea_popescu: was that ever anything besides "not ideal", or just... you know... god forbid some feelings get hurt, let's look some other way etc.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836900 << i dun think i've yet met a usaschwitz inmate who sees it in any other light☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 20:44 trinque: only thing suing can do is bankrupt the other side. sort of a breath-holding contest
asciilifeform: ( if trinque is embroiled in a usa patent suit, i dun envy him )
trinque: naw, pettier shit than that, and matter resolved
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: ( patents court -- guaranteed loss of shirt )
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/hollywood-pervert-purge-continues-as-pantsuits-enact-gunn-control/ << Qntra - Hollywood Pervert Purge Continues As Pantsuits Enact Gunn Control
trinque: wahaha, what a title
asciilifeform: reminds me of that 1930s(?) d00d, named french, in the electric chair, last words 'tell the press -- french fries! haha'