ben_vulpes: > While America may be a nation divided on policies, we are a country that stands united in condemning Linux in all of its very ugly forms.
mod6: <+danielpbarron> mod6, if you get wifi working can i get a recipe? << sure thing
a111: Logged on 2017-06-07 21:12 mod6: asciilifeform: new laptop i grabbed. x86_64.
mircea_popescu: speaking of old hardware, /me just bought a bmw 320i from 2005.
mod6: danielpbarron: p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FFWQL
mod6: i should note, that if you end up setting a default run-level with wpa_supplicant to debug some stuff, ensure that you disable this. you want to remove that with `rc-update delete wpa_supplicant`. then add `rc-update add net.wlan0 default` in its place. this, at least for me, fires up the adapter and negotiates with the AP at boot time.
mod6: now if i can just get this touch-pad to work, i'll have "computrobox"
mircea_popescu: some sort of weird nazi manual without a clutch pedal.
pete_dushenski: still uses torque converter but allows for driver control of gear selection
pete_dushenski: within limits, comps will still take over if you're driving too douchey
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't want a purely automatic gearbox in this country mostly because of the grades they got.
pete_dushenski: ... than manual. and better than normal auto because, yes, as mp said, hills
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone even makes an automatic gearbox that handles 15-20% well. cuz why would it, sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: maybe the new heavily electronic things. though... "your java applet has crashed"
pete_dushenski: the subsequent generation of 'semi-automated' have paddles on steering wheel or column. 'like f1 car'(tm). gen1 just had clicker sub-gate on centre console shifter
☟︎ pete_dushenski: gen2 became more common around '08-10 so that'd make sense
pete_dushenski: next gen of 'auto' is argually dual-clutch trans that pre-selects next gear and can swap cogs in blink of an eye (<200ms)
pete_dushenski new car has dual-clutch. article on which is forthcoming :)
deedbot: juantelez voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!v A2D77ACE62042FB47F889F293348E7F34D77C25A18026105319B5E005218EF44
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated juantelez 1 << stahp join/parting omygerd.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you're driving it yourself?!
a111: Logged on 2017-06-07 22:14 whaack: I've taken a few Spanish classes throughout school, I'm using duolingo, reading Breaking Out of Beginner's Spanish
http://b-ok.org/book/1160411/3c0465, moving to CR (went there for 10 days, loved it), reading a textbook (Nexos)
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 03:16 pete_dushenski: the subsequent generation of 'semi-automated' have paddles on steering wheel or column. 'like f1 car'(tm). gen1 just had clicker sub-gate on centre console shifter
ben_vulpes: learned in that day that an auto did not have to be an utter misery to drive
ben_vulpes: lag sucked though, also had no notion of matching engine speed to the new gear for slick ride experience
ben_vulpes: 'tis one thing to press bae back in her seat with a downshift, another altogether to rattle the whole crew around as the vehicle rattles around its hysteresis envelope as the geartrain and suspension return to steady-state
pete_dushenski: weirdly, dct can feel ~more~ raw and ~more~ mechanical than manual if properly engineered. low speed smoothness isn't usually part of that equation though, thus the still enormous market for slushboxen with evermore speeds. 8 ? why not 9 ? let's make it 10!
ben_vulpes: i'd love to whip one around, actually.
ben_vulpes: heh, friends have been whining, "what if you can't come back!!!1" without ever once considering the corrolary "what if you can't get out?"
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: upstack, while an interesting experience i do not think i will enjoy the experience of HAHA IN ANOTHER GEAR NOW
ben_vulpes: derivatives are a thing, matching them a skill.
pete_dushenski: lol neither did i. until i stopped playing classified carey and drove the bloody things like i stole 'em
pete_dushenski: guy who spends all spare time perusing classifieds - dreamer dan, if you will
ben_vulpes: i suppose if you're only shifting when you're clear out of the power band it might not be so whiplash-inducing
pete_dushenski: it's like 'i don't think she'd be a good fuck because too prudish'. well, go fuck and see if your armchair assessment is accurate ?
ben_vulpes: i bleed ke off with the clutch, sue me
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i'd rather pull the guitar off the wall, ty
ben_vulpes: currently divesting of piles of atoms, not looking for more or more reasons to have more
ben_vulpes: not to mention gut distate for robots in my control loop
ben_vulpes: it's not "too prudish" it's "dafuq are you doing with that fleshlight"
pete_dushenski: then like looking at guitar in magazine and saying 'looks too twangy sounding for me personally'. anyways
ben_vulpes: i burn petrol very intentionally, in a curated set of petrol-combusting platforms.
ben_vulpes: not interested in innovation and disruption in my ICE stack
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 03:42 ben_vulpes: heh, friends have been whining, "what if you can't come back!!!1" without ever once considering the corrolary "what if you can't get out?"
mircea_popescu: what the hell happened to "dude, if i can't get back it just means IT FUCKING SUCKED!"
trinque: what kind of joyless cunts ban burritos I ask
mircea_popescu: you know ? dumbass soviets were like this, and then once the 80s were over and shitholistan moved to arab world, they were like that in the 90s.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: "i wouldn't be a member of any club that wouldn't fall all over itself to have me in it" or how did it go
mircea_popescu: "ya dude, you'll totally miss syria/libya/egypt/whateverthefuck"
mircea_popescu: trinque that thought makes me want to go have some more smoked trout on homemade bread.
trinque: my lady made this spicy cod thing with mangos and other whatnot the other day
trinque: nah wasn't ceviche, but honestly the whole concoction done that way would be even better.
ben_vulpes: i'm going sour on applying heat to fish
mod6: freshwater fish gotta be cooked tho.
mircea_popescu: this website-for-business craze is totally paying off.
deedbot: punto voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
deedbot: whaack voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: make sure ya snag your key then, before departing for good?
mircea_popescu: btw @all, lemme know if you have complaints/comments re the whole b itcoin learning thing before it gets drywalled.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: esp if there's any glaring holes / errors that i dun wanna discover you know, once the submissions get processed.
mircea_popescu: ooo and in other news, turkish parliament approves turkish army depoloyment in qatar.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of old hardware, /me just bought a bmw 320i from 2005. << Oh my, A German!
ben_vulpes: i still gotta read through that, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually i don't think i ever bought a non-german car.
mircea_popescu: "Strict and firm action will be taken against anyone who shows sympathy or any form of bias towards Qatar, or against anyone who objects to the position of the United Arab Emirates, whether it be through the means of social media, or any type of written, visual or verbal form," Gulf News quoted UAE Attorney-General Hamad Saif al-Shamsi as saying. << bwahahaha check out the us lap dogs.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I would have expected a Unimog given the terrain description
mircea_popescu: get it armored, should carry some pretty decent firepower
BingoBoingo: Not really enough torque to wear armor or carry hamplanets
BingoBoingo: Most unimogs have less hp than riding lawnmower
BingoBoingo: Oh there seems to be class for everything at dakar. Unimogs, bikes, rail trains, deckless lawnmowers
deedbot: juantelez voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: juantelez: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu | ooo and in other news, turkish parliament approves turkish army depoloyment in qatar. << at least someone in fiat isn't afraid to get their hands dirty.
deedbot: ModeratelyAttrac voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: !~later tell whaack I received tu grabacion and will send back suggestions later today.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai pops popcorn and prepares ice for drinks ahead of Comey hearing momentarily ....
BingoBoingo: Meh, his written statement makes him sound like a nervous aspie a la Elliot
BingoBoingo: And testimony so centered on internal monologue is worthless, because how the fuck is the other person supposd to know?
shinohai: That's what I want to see, his bumbling over the whole thing and butthurt.
shinohai: (Cheers to the fellow that thought storing 3 BTC and 55 LTC on Conbase was great idea)
BingoBoingo: Maybe? Prolly best to instead do a seperate headline for each story
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mod6: how goes the popcorn?
shinohai: BingoBoingo was right, it's a snore. On to other things. >.>
mod6: it is pretty depressing indeed
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 03:42 ben_vulpes: heh, friends have been whining, "what if you can't come back!!!1" without ever once considering the corrolary "what if you can't get out?"
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 03:56 mircea_popescu: you know ? dumbass soviets were like this, and then once the 80s were over and shitholistan moved to arab world, they were like that in the 90s.
phf: americans have been trained on the whole iron curtain vs the free world narrative. so now any place that's politically disagreeable is seen as potentially behind iron curtain
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 15:01 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-08#1667079 << i'd like to visit the parallel universe this was posted from. in mine, the sov folx happily moved to 'civilized west', where to enjoy driving cabs ( rather than, say, the valhalla depicted in the bootleg vhs tapes )
mircea_popescu: and i dunno re planets, but on mine ~everyone with any market value had >1 opportunities to gtfo.
mircea_popescu: the fact that elites failed to defect is a very sad testament on the structurally broken in the head nature of postmodern elites. something we know as jwz-ism today, but has preexisted jwz.
phf: to be fair i heard that one as "i didn't get out, because knew for a fact that $old-relative will get in trouble"
mircea_popescu: phf the specific phrasing of protective female bullshit (PFB) is studied in a different discipline, but sure.
phf: in a sense that fuck relatives, or in a sense that arrest of the escapee relatives was not a thing?
mircea_popescu: in a sense that "mutual responsibility" is never a genuine concern, but out and out fraternizing with the enemy.
mircea_popescu: not "fuck relatives", though that's what dumb female would pretend was said ; not "this doesn't happen", though that's what castrated "allies" might pretend was said. simply "the responsibility for living in jail attaches to each individual liver individually. old relative should have fucking known better than to be there, and shouldn't expect other-people to put out his clothes just because he likes sitting down on the going
mircea_popescu: the whole "expectation" thread linked recently is amusingly on point.
phf: asciilifeform: that's not true, re no arrests, and there's a lot of creative variations on "sacked from sugary professorships"
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's the canonical borderline sleeve transactional outpour, "i cant/couldnt" (age dependent) "study/work/move/whatever because son/husband/father/baby jesus on stick needed me not to".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you two are perhaps confusing arrests "would you please come with us" -> dumbass questioning insistently repeated with jailings "you will sit in this room for 12 years".
mircea_popescu: re later, nobody fucking bothered to pay room and board for some idle schmuck that was too dumb to leave himself in the first place. re former, of fucking course they kept pretending to importance for a day or two, it's what statal socialism is built out of : the organised pretense to importance.
phf: asciilifeform: family conversations in the 90s, and this is the case of "elites" leaving. grandfather at some point was under investigation, because someone in his department defected, but immediate colleagues sacked, wife arrested and imprisoned. this is oboronka though
mircea_popescu: now portion of this is also defensive, and should be separated. some dudes leaving left with actual goods. some might have and the soviet accountancy was slightly worse than us, they couldn't quite figure it exactly.
mircea_popescu: whereas under discussion here wasn't "guy who worked for army/internal ministry/etc 30 years", but very specifically, young-female-whose-preponderence-of-value-comes-from-specific-fat-distribution-on-body.
phf: mircea_popescu: i thought "elites" were under the discussion, but yeah, we went in the direction of females
mircea_popescu: he DID get free education yes ? usg still wants you to pay college debt even if you leave.
mircea_popescu: phf the point you're not seeing because it's so unexpected and i didn't make it specifically was that the definition of elite scales with society. elite is "who has objective value". in late soviet, much like in late usg reich, the strippers were the elite
phf: fwiw, the reason it's friend of a friend, is because su was good at compartmentalization. my grandparents didn't talk about ~anything~ at all at home (and still warned my mom to never talk about anything she hears at home) until after the collapse
mircea_popescu: this is the sad result of following dumbass ideology (ie, socialism) past its halfway point -- you become -value, notwithstanding in saner context you'd have been +value and thereby some kind of elite.
mircea_popescu: but usistani "best anthropologist of his generation" is no kind of elite. only elite there is kardashian, because ass.
phf: well, but these people aren't escaping into tmsr/pashtun. are we judging elite from our perspective, or what their respective target countries considered elite?
phf: people who ~escaped~ from oboronka, back when it still meant something in the early 80s, say, were granted a perceived elite status in u.s. i don't know anyone with that connection who's sweeping floors at mcgrooders, but plently of "NII engineers"
mircea_popescu: phf we are judging elite on the strength of action rather than ideology. properly-fat-female is elite because can fuck. properly-soviet-bureaucrat is not elite because can not do jack shit.
phf: i don't know any properly soviet bureaucrats who are not also licking ass the same way they were doing it in soviet union, for peanuts. people that i'm talking about escaped, or left in the early 90s, and didn't have any problems going from one closed research institute soviet side to an equivalent u.s. side.
mircea_popescu: what target countries value ideologically is uninteresting. but what they value on the sane basis of valuation, can't be ignored. so if you mix "the french really liked ukr chicks" in there we'll have to distinguish what does "the french" mean, ie, what portion they like because them bitches can suck a golf ball through a garden hose and what portion because they read in paris match that they should.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the functioning of soviet economy was not in any sense different. they'd just steal inventions outright, w/e.
mircea_popescu: it was ~same as short fat dude in 2nd hs year will pay strippers to come hang out with him in the cafeteria.
mircea_popescu: twas supposed to impress the sheiks, 99% of all it was good for. as you can see the problem remains even today, in exactly same terms.
phf: me and asciilifeform have respective selection biases. i don't know any russian professor cab drivers, but plenty of NIH department heads, doing their half science half politikin on the new territory. presumably there's also a world of russian escapees who are driving cabs, that i'm just not connected to
mircea_popescu: this is an iffier point. i didn't meet that many altogether. moreover, i didn't discount the "friend of a friend" stories out of hand.
mircea_popescu: what there isn't, are any slots for the aspie 14% to wannabe-elite on the basis of other people's processes, goods and etc.
phf: i think that's kind of "fact" that all cab drivers like to talk about
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no elite that attaches to "the attaining of full professorship". this is the problem here, the statal parasitizing of the notion of elite.
mircea_popescu: no one is elite because god/pope/king/whoever said so/put his hands on him/invested with phallus-staff and cunt-ring.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking 1990s fiction is ALL ABOUT this, "holy shit mom, i thought i was a type, turns out reality's untyped!"
phf: obviously "i was a surgeon back in my country!1" doesn't ever translate, but ~surgeons~ will easily find their place amongst other countries surgeons
mircea_popescu: and underutilized elite "i'm a nigger stomper, but '''we just don't do that in my country'''"will find their actual useful levbel.
phf: no it's not, it exactly demonstrates my point!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually us has the largest black medical services market of any place with pretense of civilisation i ever saw. and ALWAYUS DID
mircea_popescu: if it's not abortions it's siliconoplasty, sex surgery, you name it.
mircea_popescu: only place where someone will pay good money to you know, have somebody operate on him in the back of a truck.
phf: well, that's true, but that goes for moving to u.s. in general :p
mircea_popescu: phf depends though. reagan usa was very much unlike clinton+ usa.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, it's not clear. being elite is the point. people generallty don't want to find out iuf they are or they aren't, and it slows down with age.
mircea_popescu: well then, so they'll be sitting in whatever pen and fuck them, they get no name and no voice.
mircea_popescu: i'd say that's fair, 70s us vs 2010s us might as well be different planets.
mircea_popescu: first the chicks with great tits show up, and make a party out of a desert. then the chicks with ugly tits hear about the nice tit hangout and go there to try and sprinkle some nice on their sad bosoms.
mircea_popescu: as that dude selling out in 1929 pointed out -- there are people you really do not wish to commune with. by the time shoeblacks are buying stocks, stocks are for shoeblacks.
mircea_popescu: usg is a major selector for shit by now, btw. ~only female here who was keen on immigrating (got some "criminology" degree from, you guessed it, umd) was ~0 market value call-center-for-lyf operator.
mircea_popescu: i believe it, if nothing else than because i saw this dorkette.
mircea_popescu: except it's not "i can't decide what to do", it's "i've decided that being a fluffer's handmaiden is below my level. i'm not willing to kill myself over this apparent failure of the world to contain anything fit for me, but i'll shamble about aimlessly for a while maybe something sticks"
mircea_popescu: the incomprehensible part is where the parents don't chain them naked to posts and whip them until they escape or die.
mircea_popescu: culture shock of all time, when mp ran into barrista, pointed out to her that he didn't give a shit about what her supposded name is either, when they started the whole nametag crap in the 70s.
mircea_popescu: dork wasn't perceiving itself as part of a cheapo corporate culture ; on THE CONTRARY!!!11
mircea_popescu: you should see the coffee here btw. it's fucking incredible.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 04:22 mircea_popescu: btw @all, lemme know if you have complaints/comments re the whole b itcoin learning thing before it gets drywalled.
mircea_popescu: and i see no way out of having reals sadly, because gotta vary the function list somehow.
mircea_popescu: but imo in this application, the problems of reals actually are used, for our purpose.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it does, EXCEPT when trying to model reality.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking point here is the deux-pez is not a fully computable machine.
mircea_popescu: it'd seem to me the model as described does in fact generate reals properly from rng.
mircea_popescu: the state is kept as bytes, except for a and b parameters of linear functions, which are reals, and which change through division by ints.
mircea_popescu: you end up with fn initialized as say -2 x + 14 and then on the first pas it becomes say -2 * 35 / 16 x + 14 * 35 / 16
mircea_popescu: and it keeps going from there, next step eg (-2 * 35 * 7 x + 14 * 35 * 7) / 16**2
mircea_popescu: "no better than chance strat exists and you can't prove this."
mircea_popescu: moreover i imagine ima actually work it like this : anyone can add as many agents as they wish for 1 bitcent per ; total pot minus what the simulation costs is divided to top scoring agents.
mircea_popescu: basically a sort of "find out if you can or can't prove, FOR REALS."
mircea_popescu: that's the fucking point. as bama well observed, "my old man used to gamble when he plantted his field and prtayed dfor rain. i figure if a man's gonna gamble, might as well do it without plowing."
mircea_popescu: in any case -- it's not just that there's A LOT of leakage of actual information from universe to player. it's that irl there's provably less.
mircea_popescu: so if anything, the model is biased re the theoretical possibility of learning, by overstating it.
mircea_popescu: it just fails to be biased in favbour of internet-shithead-generation nonsense, wikitardia et all.
mircea_popescu: hey, i already made a game. this was the reality teaching tool.
mircea_popescu: whole thing started as a dispute re the practical meaning of learning.
mircea_popescu: you can, for instance, obtain the complete and correct list of the functions in the machine.
mircea_popescu: in fact, every single player that spends 256 rounds finding out the functions achieves the historical goal of all human science. in this alt universe, it's not "ars longa" etc, it's a specified, 256 step process.
mircea_popescu: no, you get the info, you just don't directly get how it relates to you.
mircea_popescu: but the fact remains -- you have "The book" ie a complete description of the god machine. all that's left is to you know, apply them "just the facts" in context.
mircea_popescu: ie, this model GIVES AWAY what the ourdemocracy retards imagine is the whole job, and leaves them to you know, apply "jus' the facts"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 03:18 asciilifeform: the 'formulate as predictor' came from asciilifeform's ongoing regular stabs at breaking shitoshi's rng.
mircea_popescu: not clear what relation exists between what you're talking about and what we were talking about.
mircea_popescu: especially the "arbitrary" epithet is meaningless -- anything seems arbitrary to the disinterested. and otherwise, everything's a prng etc.
mircea_popescu: that';s what i mean, it's really very minimalistically built for the purpose of showing a set of idiots they;re idiots.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 15:48 asciilifeform: show me the 60y.o. who 'test me!1111'
mircea_popescu: much like you know, all sorts of "rng experts" not merely do not wish, but specifically wish NOT TO examine FG. andf so on.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will have to have 4 for long enough, so it dun end too soon.
mircea_popescu: (that'ds how it works, once not 4 players at table one round, it ends.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i intend to open that for implementation, let people (in wot only) bid, like candi_lustt worked oput.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 16:43 mircea_popescu: much like you know, all sorts of "rng experts" not merely do not wish, but specifically wish NOT TO examine FG. andf so on.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-10 21:32 asciilifeform: was rebuffed by royal society for ~decades~ because... not in wot.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.
ben_vulpes: i left off before posting for some reason that i cannot now recall
ben_vulpes: i suspect that i hadn't yet verified output against the runs that mircea_popescu posted
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't find it objectionable. it IS however disqualifying, for their claims as to the self. in other words, i don't respect them above chattels, and there's a fine reason why i'm right to not respect them above chattels : right here.
mircea_popescu: for as long as they can keep burning granpa's furniture to power the pretense machine, i suppose they can keep pretending like that matters.
mircea_popescu: and as per theresa may, running out of them won't make them stop, either!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: while the individual operations work, it does not yield what mircea_popescu's implementation yields
mircea_popescu: iirc the problem was that my implementation was of an earlier spec.
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform plz to comment on www?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 15:56 asciilifeform: #1 major at umd !11 ( i shit thee not )
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