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mp_en_viaje: in fact, that's precisely what "jwz" means an' refers to : the intuitively persuasive but utterly untenable belief that one could find the just-right-one static point to prop the lever against, and then instead of
mircea_popescu: except of course all the old farts are completely moroning hellspawn a la jwz, rms, ers, etcetera
mircea_popescu: they should have built an army in the 90s, rather than go for weakass jwz-catering.
BingoBoingo: What, the JWZ's just wanna be, wanna get along
mircea_popescu: and we'll show THIS discussion to the jwz/zx2c4/randomoron of the future, too, and he'll be "umm...i dunno... http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/#selection-1567.0-1567.61 etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862400 << #1 thing you do, is you TALK TO PEOPLE! there is no jwz way out of politics. if regrind hurts you, tell them not to fucking do it ; and if they won't listen tell whoever will listen to not follow the new thing. and so fucking on. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and jwz just wants email to work, news at 11.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 00:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835536 << such a fucking injun. how, just HOW does one get so fucking stupid. "jwz" amirite, "he only wanted to". this existence is too burdensome for the likes of special cunthead.
mircea_popescu: in short, it's better because it produces no things and lots of words -- the ideal state for the jwz. that's what neil simon wants of life, yes, a situation where no things issue but as many words as possible.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
mircea_popescu: that remarkably-like a town background for every jwz's jwzing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: controlled techno-regress (e.g. in this case, from alphabets to hieroglyphs) is a perennial obsession among the jwz folx , the same people want to mandate earth latrines instead of watercloset, BingoBoingo's butane cycle fridge , etc. notion being, i suspect, 'wind back the clock to when we mattered'
asciilifeform: 'And he’ll yes I treat my life like a supermarket. It’s my gd life for fucks sake lol' << ahahaha jwz!
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 00:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835536 << such a fucking injun. how, just HOW does one get so fucking stupid. "jwz" amirite, "he only wanted to". this existence is too burdensome for the likes of special cunthead.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835536 << such a fucking injun. how, just HOW does one get so fucking stupid. "jwz" amirite, "he only wanted to". this existence is too burdensome for the likes of special cunthead. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: jwz!!
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: usg trying to leverage the fact that idiots stick together whereas intelligent people jwz, into this situation where they keep shitting turds larger than what you can fit in head and so "one man's guess is as good as any other's" and "we don't actually know it's a scam" hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: whole pile is actually a lot of wank in the general vein of, "r jwz, how to survive the coming of mp"
mircea_popescu: this then induces two possible errors in aproach. the situation where the solution is over-span, which we generally call "overengineered" ; and the situation where the solution is under-span, which is pluriously referenced as jwz's error, but is not substantially different from http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=spreading+works or the airplane that can take off, and flies well, but can't land.
mircea_popescu: not mechanical, no. just the principle of the thing -- jwz's indications of "required" are worth exactly as much as jwz itself.
asciilifeform: a dependency graph that came from buncha jwz types shitting where they stand, without any concept of hygiene ( esp. ~political~ hygiene, where infections of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742487 are immediately spotted and flamethrowered where they stand until not even dust remains) -- will yes, appear to demand solution to multiple np-hard problems every time you want to do the simplest things. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there's a natural tendency to do the right thing that needs lengthy and elaborate stamping out before you get the full blown jwz.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 02:23 mircea_popescu: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160814 << sweet innocence.
mircea_popescu: anyway, jwz's own history, self-serving as it is, nevertheless seems accurate to me : mule is what was left once all the inept
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspect this was at the time the true problem : jwz wanted to unicode the japanese way and rms didn't even understand what's being discussed (which -- major fucking failure for the role, incidentally).
mircea_popescu: https://www.jwz.org/doc/emacs-timeline.html
mircea_popescu: ok, here, jwz variant : emacs 18.48 released 18sep1987!!!! off which they started epoch, and 18.55 off which they based both 19 and through that venue lucid version
mircea_popescu: but that was what, 1993 ? iirc jwz item was 1991 ?
mircea_popescu: the gui focus of their endless flamewars was dumb and not particularily flattering, netiehr for the gabriel/jwz side nor for the rms+retarded eurobois side
asciilifeform: iirc jwz also wrote sumthing or other.
mircea_popescu: i can;t fucking believe jwz and daveg are seriously discussing doubleclicking wiuth the spacebar
mircea_popescu: but he doesn't see this, so in he falls into pantsuit sink, "getting personal about profession is tremendously annoying" etc. no it's fucking not, jesus christ, jwz restated. have a better personality instead!
mircea_popescu: the epicycles, before removal, a) had a history whcih b) was understood by the removers. the "alien problem" is how lazy jwz say "i don't want to read", by and large.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 02:23 mircea_popescu: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/03/google-seems-to-have-broken-email-forwarding/#comment-160814 << sweet innocence.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:13 phf: Framedragger: i was young and a bum, i recognized all these people because my entertainment machine would reinforce their presence for me. "oh jwz is talking. oh now it's ptacek. oh it's paul graham! squee". but they were always in a different category from say norvig or knuth or naggum. once i started doing and learning (i.e. painfully read knuth, rather than just have him on my shelf) i finally was able to grok the difference.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 23:52 phf: mondo 2000, the proto valley crowd, i think we had the thread. basically, jwz.
mircea_popescu: arxive is jwz through and through. most all of it is crap.
mircea_popescu: he's a typical schmuck, a la jwz. wants a comfortable existence and really, all these complicated shits scare him shitless.
phf: jwz's expertise
phf: well, right, this is not any kind of area of jwz
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the original jwz
asciilifeform: from same twatter, lulz, 'jwz: DNA Lounge update, wherein DNA Lounge will be closed soon, without your help.'
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 23:52 phf: mondo 2000, the proto valley crowd, i think we had the thread. basically, jwz.
phf: mondo 2000, the proto valley crowd, i think we had the thread. basically, jwz. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: the fact that elites failed to defect is a very sad testament on the structurally broken in the head nature of postmodern elites. something we know as jwz-ism today, but has preexisted jwz.
BingoBoingo: It's what one does when they are a JWZ, It's a natural milestone on the walk of "just wanting to"
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: To be fair click the link on "FBI Director and a JWZ" and read the Trilema that appears in your browser
mircea_popescu: you know, like jwz. or like teh people on #bitcoin-assets pre dragon call.
asciilifeform: ^ fact. ( recall the original jwz thread ? )
mircea_popescu: you eat too much, you get fat ; you jwz, you get pissed on. shouldn't be so hard.
mircea_popescu: ie, better than all the lazy fucks sitting on ass dreaming their jwz/djb dream
mircea_popescu: well the tall aryan swedes should have thought of this before going all jwz and djb.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not of the persuasion that poettering, ie, out and out wrecker, is in any sane sense worse than jwz, ie, "i'm just going to silently and passively enable the valence idiots".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: jwz?
mircea_popescu: once jwz is possible the place died.
mircea_popescu: ordinary jwz must have no alternatives. otherwise... ordinary jwz will pretend he exists.
asciilifeform: no 'libraries', no jwz.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-general-brendan-eich-jwz/ << Trilema - The General Brendan Eich, JWZ
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/the-general-brendan-eich-jwz/ <
mircea_popescu: which is in itself a very amusing commentary on the toils and travails of the jwz gang. they... rescued netscape. and it did... netscape.
mircea_popescu: now then, leaving aside the offensive inferiority complex women/nonwhites have towards white males : the guy has a point (mit media lab, which apparently got new leadership, a little smarter - and a little less female - being where ethereum retardation is hatched). the jwz is by now radioactive, a bunch of kids who can't subdue a girl their age, let alone a herd of adult women, want things to be about how it's ok to go around
mircea_popescu: there's a lesson in this, where being a jwz dun pay. gotta pick sides, loud and clear.
mircea_popescu: (conversely : search is a political tool, nothing else. "i just want to" jwz doesn't exist in practice)
mircea_popescu: because that's a key ingredient of "i just want to" - deciding various arbitrary bits (especially ones the jwz doesn't well understand) are "small matter". which decision then drives poor resource allocation and is the deep reason for the festering morass of unsolved problems that should have been ; while tons of herbivores run around "revolutionizing" things that needn't on the shaky in reality but strong in perception found
mircea_popescu: "Keep in mind we do all this, because we can and because we like the thrilling excitement of winning over the other competing groups. We absolutely don't do all these releases, to please the general user that rather want to spend their cash on updating to the latest hardware, and see's the scene releases as a source to play all these games for free." << all the way down to despising the consumer / i just want to jwz.
mircea_popescu: what postel thinks'd be chaos, much like what jwz thinks'd be chaos, much like clinton or whoever other of these niggers and jews thinks to be "chnaos" is actually human life.
asciilifeform: i will confess, that i judge any such effort first of all by one metric -- how many lines of jwz c code it EXTIRPATES
asciilifeform: worked for netscape ? partied with jwz ? sat on itu standards committee ? there is a pick at butugychag with yer name on it.
mircea_popescu: no mention of the logs or anything, of course. because overly ambitious, intelligent but idiotic ro-jwz can has ideas all by himself and of his own! so there!
asciilifeform: (recall the original jwz thread..)
a111: Logged on 2016-03-31 01:55 phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q4n5TQnpA via jwz, an old interview with klf after they burned million pounds, for the amusement of #t-a
asciilifeform: that is something only a jwz could love.
mircea_popescu: or what'd piss off the jwz crowd more, gays ?
asciilifeform: fwiw i can smell the jwz from a continent away, and have never felt much desire to go.
mircea_popescu: it only exists because of jwz training of smart kids, making them want to "cleave" brains and responsibility.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:13 phf: Framedragger: i was young and a bum, i recognized all these people because my entertainment machine would reinforce their presence for me. "oh jwz is talking. oh now it's ptacek. oh it's paul graham! squee". but they were always in a different category from say norvig or knuth or naggum. once i started doing and learning (i.e. painfully read knuth, rather than just have him on my shelf) i finally was able to grok the difference.
phf: Framedragger: i was young and a bum, i recognized all these people because my entertainment machine would reinforce their presence for me. "oh jwz is talking. oh now it's ptacek. oh it's paul graham! squee". but they were always in a different category from say norvig or knuth or naggum. once i started doing and learning (i.e. painfully read knuth, rather than just have him on my shelf) i finally was able to grok the difference. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: for whatever jwz reason, this is NOT how folks have been treating programming languages
mircea_popescu: something that may appear as a subcase but i believe is not (not that the dispute is all that relevant) and in any case is more numerous is the jwz : the fellow that "just wants to" keep right on being lazy.
mircea_popescu: icians, and also why they created the jwz fantasy.)
mircea_popescu: i can't say i've ever spent any mental time aiming not to be jwz.
asciilifeform: on the surface jwz also 'aren't'
asciilifeform: e.g., jwz 'family man'
BingoBoingo: alf failed to pars the "just want to" and made a point of the statement not parsing. It's not made for parsing though because jwz just wants to. Nothing wrong with tossing around the "just wants to" as a string like any other though.
BingoBoingo: alf tried to parse the jwz "just want to" as an instruction whereas you treated it as a antifact of the broken jwz
BingoBoingo: Like how alf fails to parse the jwz "just want to"
mircea_popescu: no, as a general rule drones hang for what they are, queens hang for what they did. there's really little other than "he's jwz" needed to hang jwz.
asciilifeform: netscape / jwz.
trinque: mircea_popescu │ the problems only begin when trinque goes on a jwz rampage "i only wanted the offspring to sprout, not rob the store". << I agree 100% that offspring are in any sane scenario mine to end
mircea_popescu: the problems only begin when trinque goes on a jwz rampage "i only wanted the offspring to sprout, not rob the store".
mircea_popescu: what rock have you been living under! teh jwz chorus won all the wars, what.
mircea_popescu: eh i can't be arsed ; working on ticketizing and who the fuck is this jwz.
mircea_popescu: notrly. the concern is that the jwz is easily discouraged, and rather than take reasonable steps, he takes no steps, "because it's not worth it anyway"
mircea_popescu: but the jwz shit can't really be taken out of the jwz shithead.
mircea_popescu: no gpg, no wot, no personal security like that nisman idiot, no independent voice -> jwz, you know it.
mircea_popescu: also - idiot had no actual power. i can already see a jwz in the making when someone is "on twitter". bitch, you don't own twitter, and when you'll want to embarass the handler they'll just mothball it.
mircea_popescu: yes, no -> jwz.