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mircea_popescu: fiiirst
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841659 << such fucking lulz, incidentally. really, all blue usg has left is this lame attempt to capture "the international" ? make 6th reiteration or whatever, keep rando nations in its "sphere of influence" ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 22:18 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/ny-times-attempting-to-meddle-in-brazilian-election-by-publishing-essay-by-corrupt-motherfucker/ << Qntra - NY Times Attempting To Meddle In Brazilian Election By Publishing Essay By Corrupt Motherfucker
mircea_popescu: jesus christ what fucking influence ? the soviets had intellectual leadership, who the everloving fuck can take the pantsuit seriously ?!
mircea_popescu: i get it, the story they tell themselves is that "academia" ie various subhumans ( such as say http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/#footnote_0_71619 ) does take them seriously. this is the direct equivalent of lenin a) imagining tabletop gamers take him seriously and b) telling himself this matters, back in 1925. are you fucking kidding me ?!
mircea_popescu: nobody is this fucking stupd.
asciilifeform: in related lulz, usg.pravda drummed up Official hysteria for whole week re 'far right rally scheduled in washington' . then it comes, total of 30 reddit d00dz show up, and promptly turn tail when the 'antifas' appear. whole thing nonevent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what happens to be iyo the cannonical piece re "mp explains non-wot items can't properly be said to have a name" ?
asciilifeform: hmm
asciilifeform: possibly that one trilema containing the 'souls of the dead' oglaf
mircea_popescu: ie http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#selection-269.0-269.225 ?
asciilifeform: this also
mircea_popescu: problems being that a) i already linked it and b) doesn't even say "name"
mircea_popescu: wait, i had more than one ?!
mircea_popescu: nope, this is the first with the imagew.
asciilifeform: hm.
asciilifeform: there is definitely a canonical piece , but where.
asciilifeform: possibly somewhere in the graph of http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/
mircea_popescu: i dun think so ;/
asciilifeform: there was also a passage in http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/
asciilifeform: 'inasmuch as reddit hasn't been made by me or my friends nor is it owned by me or my friends it is ultra legem et extra curia, an outlaw thing, marked for death and without a future. Just like it's no crime to kill, maim or rob one without a WoT account, it's no crime to abuse reddit any way you please' etc
asciilifeform: ( btw you still have a 'http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-assets' in there )
mircea_popescu: yes, but that's re political rights
mircea_popescu: the idea is, literally, can not name amoeba, indistinguishable. must distinguish to name.
asciilifeform: that was in http://trilema.com/2016/theyre-not-progressive-theyre-just-lazy-a-practical-exercise/ iirc
mircea_popescu: the word "name" does not appear even ?!~
asciilifeform: hm.
asciilifeform: then i'm stumped.
asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly, dug up vintage lul http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/ , where mircea_popescu went through the sweat to replicate my failed pipes experiment . where in the end, yr+ later, the correct pill turned out to be entirely unrelated aggression patch )
mircea_popescu: lol. in my notes, the correct pill turned out ~because~ of that.
mircea_popescu: the piece describes attempt to implement your earlier solution and what's wrong with it.
asciilifeform: aha, had to explore all the dead ends 1st
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/#selection-39.89-43.96 quite specific. aha.
asciilifeform: ( pipes, ftr, would actually work without hanging if they were added today. but imho they aren't particularly needed, unless for some reason one wants to cipher links between own nodes )
mircea_popescu: half the time people encounter "hard" problems is because they're trying to use the wrong tools to approach imaginary problems
mircea_popescu: the other half is because they're being uppity, trying to approach problems out of their pay grade.
asciilifeform: attraction to 'problems out of pay grade' is a specific disease, endemic , e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1840094 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-06 23:07 asciilifeform: phf: my alt-hypothesis is that it's something slightly different -- it's a haskellism. ameri-sad folx are irresistibly drawn to ~elaborately ineffective~ tech , that absorbs infinite 'ricering' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-09#552410 ) while giving chance to 'show how clever'
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of a certain young adult, "but you're ~good~ ~here~."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know, i run into it with aspiring 20something girlies ALLLL the time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they walk in and ask to replicate uncle al's eotvos? or how does it go
mircea_popescu: nobody ever told them the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761494 sad. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-07-19 03:16 mircea_popescu: so, this poor unfortunate soul found herself living her parent's dream : an assistant professor! at the prestigious ubb no less!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a wide swath, from thinking self wasted on washing floors to getting on irc and then resetting the connection fifty hundred times, and tons of other items more context dependant.
mircea_popescu: generally, the infant's "that man reads, give me his glasses so i may read too", carefully preserved as a ~useful~ fatal flaw in the taxpayer's brain by the flawed establishment.
mircea_popescu: in the end, meaningful socialism depends on this, yes ? if it weren't the [injust, btw] "control of the means of reading", anyone could be a factory owner. no ? are not all people born capable of reading ? it is only the envious piling up of glasses by ~some~ that prevent ~the rest of us~ from reading. especially the young.
asciilifeform: erry conscript army ever takes in larvae who 'i'm wasted on washing floor' and turns (most of) 'em into actual people
mircea_popescu: as long as they believe that, they'll vote pantsuit, happily participating in the famous https://www.oglaf.com/hotbuttons/2/ competition (which they lose, seeing how my http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/ overwhelms any biospawn they could come up with ; or more generally given that the sword cuts a portion of the way for them and the whole of the way for us.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, since we're doing lost arts, where the fuck did i state the pantsuit's problem of integration (ie, that pantsuitism doesn't stand a chance in the republic because the republic integrates it) in the terminology that "this sword cuts for them a portion of the way and for us the whole way" ? ie, that they're always dependent on state, whatever shit they come up with gotta be carefully ~stopped~ on various slippery ☟︎
mircea_popescu: slopes ?
mircea_popescu: fucking cursed am i, started writing an article an hour ago, still trying to dig myself out of the web of references spewed out by ~the first god damned paragraph~!
asciilifeform: dollars to doughbuts this item sank in bermuda triangle of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841353 ... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-14 17:35 phf: i'm pretty sure we had pocket conversations during netsplits, that none of the bots heard
mircea_popescu: and while at it, hey esthlos when you summarize this, do me a favour and link the discussion of globalization, integration, and sociopolitical construct evolution, yes ? :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform absolutely not.
mircea_popescu: i read it in the very logs, months ago, months after it occurred.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-27#1178660 << 2015 referenced as symbol already. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-06-27 03:23 mircea_popescu: "runs for them a short part of the way and for us the whole way".
asciilifeform: aaa loox like there it is
mircea_popescu: nope. that's a reference to an earlier discussion.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-11#1127557 << ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-05-11 00:08 mircea_popescu: This would also be why I don't think so very much of the libertards, and why I find myself so often in contradiction with people who view them as either powerful or in any sense a threat (usually both) : they aren't, either, nor could they really be, either, because the only tool they know actually works for them only a short distance of its run, and for us the entire length of that same run. The libertard's gambit is
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-17#1054497 << fucking hysterical products of spelunking. get a load of that, soviet pioneer has read lenin, is sad to have to go back home. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-03-17 02:26 mircea_popescu: "I’m too smart, Professor. I’ve got nothing to say to normal children. Adults don’t respect me enough to really talk to me. And frankly, even if they did, they wouldn’t sound as smart as Richard Feynman, so I might as well read something Richard Feynman wrote instead. I’m isolated, Professor McGonagall. I’ve been isolated my whole life. Maybe that has some of the same effects as being locked in a cellar. An
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes!
mircea_popescu reduced to going through db list of terms by hand ;/
mircea_popescu: there could be, of course, http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/#selection-297.0-297.795
mircea_popescu: of course there's also http://trilema.com/2018/on-namespaces/#selection-293.0-293.22 ... vague and unclear as it is...
asciilifeform: relatedly, i still never found the clay shards thing.
asciilifeform: it's as if martians carefully stole it.
mircea_popescu: i imagined this is behind the temptation to "fix" loggers, but it totally can't be fixed there.
asciilifeform: oh nah, found ~in logs~
asciilifeform: but nowhere else.
mircea_popescu: a a
asciilifeform: ( earliest in my notes is http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-12#419924 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2013-12-12 20:36 asciilifeform: i believe the ancient greeks used something similar, with a broken clay pot
asciilifeform: later there was a http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-03#1394793 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-02-03 01:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally do you recall that very ingenious thing that worked essentially as a vinyl record player needle but on a random chunk of clay pot ?
mircea_popescu: ohohoh found it! http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/#footnote_0_77999
mircea_popescu: the sad part being that now that i found what i thought i was looking for, i discover that much better reference would be something else i turned up in the search, that i wasn't specifically looking for.
mircea_popescu: praise trompi that i have what to search through.
mircea_popescu: jesus that was a belaboured 300 words.
mircea_popescu: fucking finally. this thing looked like it was going to swallow me whole at some point.
asciilifeform: 'We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science' << bahahahhaha
asciilifeform fallsdown
mircea_popescu: like gasoline, right ? the substance ?
mircea_popescu: well, more like hot air, but technically same thing.
mod6: :d
asciilifeform: gasoline >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A1J8P/?raw=true << oblig uncleal
mod6: :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, that's just about how hanbot drives ?
asciilifeform: 'Gasoline once embodied masculinity. That harsh but sweet essence was the flawless compliment to an authentic man's natural scent. Billions of gallons of rich balm spewed from refineries ringing the coastline of this great nation to power Detroit's behemoths to ever greater excesses of brute power, and their owners to expansive fusillades of sexual conquest. We plundered desiccated Middle East wastelands. We sucked the black
asciilifeform: gold from mile-deep drill holes, plundering the abyss. As we fueled a civilization wielding wealth and power culled from the physical, cultural and political conquest of an entire planet we tossed pennies of compensation in the faces of our Third World vassals. ... We don't do that anymore. Any of it.'
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/lets-put-three-and-three-together/ << Trilema - Let's put three and three together.
mircea_popescu: in other news, https://www.oglaf.com/dark-miasma/01/ .. https://www.oglaf.com/dark-miasma/24/ is a pretty lulzy tale of manalone.
asciilifeform: 403 Forbidden
mircea_popescu: https://www.oglaf.com/crimson-queen/ << bwahahaha also.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sorry, https://www.oglaf.com/dark-miasma/1
asciilifeform: aaworx
mircea_popescu: https://www.oglaf.com/dream-lover/ bwahaha. they've been busy have they.
asciilifeform: in very other noose, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YETnd/?raw=true << this has been working for a while, and i see no harm in making it public; anyone can submit candidate factor to modulus, box will do The Right Thing depending on whether correct, etc
asciilifeform: ( note, candidate modulus must already exist in phuctor collection )
asciilifeform: currently returns -2 if offered divisor is liquishit (<=1 , or >= mod ) , -6 if not prime , -3 if none of these but not in fact factor .
asciilifeform: ( if anyone ever sees a -5 , lemme know, it means the machine is prolly on fire )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( if anyone ever sees a -5 , lemme know, it means the machine is prolly on fire ) << I prolly ought to be advised if the machine is likely on fire as well.
asciilifeform: oh - -1 means modulus is not in db.
asciilifeform: 0 if old factor .
asciilifeform: this completes the set.
asciilifeform: err, there is also 1 ( new mod found for old factor ) and 2 ( new factor with no prior mods )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2018/lets-put-three-and-three-together/#comment-126476
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma change the lame magicnums to actual human words shortly
mircea_popescu: better that way,
mircea_popescu: also asciilifeform the trilema cavalry showed up, i was right all along!
asciilifeform: oh hah
asciilifeform: in other lulz: phuctor has reader in... nigeria
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-15#1841717 << Part of me suspects USG.blue wants to resurrect Lula so they can unhang themselves. Or flee to Brasil. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-15 14:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841659 << such fucking lulz, incidentally. really, all blue usg has left is this lame attempt to capture "the international" ? make 6th reiteration or whatever, keep rando nations in its "sphere of influence" ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo will be lulz of all time, once the "collusion with chinese influence agents, treason, corruption" becomes 90% of the federal docket.
mircea_popescu: high time for this socialisms' doctors' trial.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, Argentina won't take em. They won't fit or be escpecially welcome in Uruguay... They are kinda stuck waiting in New York, California, and Chicago
mircea_popescu: oh, chicago's not taking anyone.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://trilema.com/2013/the-funeral/#comment-126479 is quite the thing! replete with delicious quotes like "you can do something [that feels] good rather than something [that feels] bad, and that's better than any justice". really, an unrelenting potpouri of putrid idiocy.
mircea_popescu: eminently study-able piece of femstate agitprop. with all the sluts and hams hollywood could produce, also.
mircea_popescu: https://www.oglaf.com/somelikeithot/ <<< ahahaha check out the pantsuitism. apparently there is such a thing as "inappropriate", sexual or otherwise, behaviour of the great.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only , but betcha the ants in yer kitchen have demands!11, little picket signs, 'sugar is stored inappropriately' in tight jar
mircea_popescu: i believe the ants in my kitchen are worthy of their lofty house, fully understand that history is made by the great man, and the great man alone.
mircea_popescu: so... no.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, should i see one with signs be sure i'll squish it. if the gekkos don't get to it first.
asciilifeform: i could use gekko here.
asciilifeform: ( currently best i got is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829177 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-23 22:21 asciilifeform: this reminds me, not long ago asciilifeform picked up a little chinese toy, item shaped like tennis raquet but the wires are charged to 4000v and connect to (small) cap; a sort of mechanized fly swatter, they pop, little blue plasma burst, vapour. nominally. so then , having used it, later i see a most peculiar insect, did not immediately realize what it is, never having seen before. looked closely, turns out -- fly head + front legs
mircea_popescu: you can't imagine just how fucking cute they are, btw.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff i've seen small gekko-like critters here. but they're uncommon.
mircea_popescu: do they cackle ?
asciilifeform: possibly, but too small to hear
asciilifeform: they're ~mouse-sized
asciilifeform: ( and tend to end up in cats )
asciilifeform: used to see'em in the cracks of the stairs that went up to my old flat
mircea_popescu: um. real gecko is like 20 grams, and plenty large to hear. those be some fake geckos!
asciilifeform: hmm, apparently what we have here is not even gekko, but a https://srelherp.uga.edu/lizards/eumfas.htm
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: supposedly somewhere in north a there is actual gekko.
mircea_popescu has been re-reading http://trilema.com/2013/universalism-postwar-progressivism-as-a-christian-sect/ ; turns out it's actually quite related to http://trilema.com/2018/lets-put-three-and-three-together/ in the unexpected sense that yarvin's principal gargaun is the notion that what he calls "universalism" ~transmits~.
asciilifeform: transmits?
mircea_popescu: it doesn't in fact "transmit" anymore than the adenosine triphosphate cycle, or the carnot cycle. it's either there or not, schelling point of reality.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes! example : "As a non-Universalist, I can't help but admire the success of this particular replicator. It is brilliantly designed, like the smallpox virus. The fact that no one actually designed it, any more than someone designed the smallpox virus, that it is simply the result of adaptive selection in a highly competitive environment, heightens rather than detracts from my awe."
mircea_popescu: this, of course, is false. atp is not "a virus", it just happens to be the cheapest item with those properties that can be had. living things are made predominently of water, but this isn't a contagion. this is a necessity.
asciilifeform: 'universalism' is moar similar to 'not washing hands' than virus
mircea_popescu: idiots will want for "nothing bad to happen" and will trade "nothing to happen altogether" for it, if need be. this isn't because something they heard, or because something someone said.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly the idea. "not washing hands" isn't contagious. nobody "not washes hands" because "something they read".
mircea_popescu: socialism is not the result of people ~reading~ ; it's the result of people NOT reading. whether they decide they're not reading in the circumstance of a readery, where they discover that they're actually unfit for the activity of reading, notwithstanding what they thought themselves in the other context, of the barn (where, among the cows, they "felt" like reading'd be just the thing) or not is irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: if there existed a different (cheaper!) universal solvent with low polarity and immense thermic innertia living things would perhaps consist of mostly that, rather than mostly water. but this still wouldn't be a contagion, nor would be the "alternative" "preferred" in any meaningful sense.
mircea_popescu: it certainly wouldn't spread by word of mouth.
asciilifeform: 'spread of universalism' followed pattern similar to e.g. the disappearance of the roman bath
asciilifeform: rather than of virus
mircea_popescu: but we don't normally speak of "the spread of the disappearance of hot water in progressive europe".
mircea_popescu: so what "spread of universalism" is he on about ?!
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as the spread of absence, ffs.
asciilifeform: dunno, possibly unlike in the case of baths , pantsuit missionaries did go around to 'teach' 'have 1 wife and 0 slaves' etc
mircea_popescu: in short, the proposition that the accumulation of idiocy observable in the poor, the stupid, and the lazy is somehow a thing is not unlike the proposition that plaque is part of teeth.
mircea_popescu: "if you flossed, ever, it wouldn't be" "but i don't"
asciilifeform: or, say, that time when boston decided to trash whole bottom half of usa, over same
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i recall a trilema where 'the house smelled of poverty'
mircea_popescu: honestly, this seems the correct representation. "filth is part of the human body" "whence ?" "if you don't wash it shows up" "so ?" "and it's somewhat predictable in form and substance. and odour" "so ?"
mircea_popescu: not even plato thought to include a mm or two of toe jam in his definition of the human.
mircea_popescu: but filth sure as fuck isn't infectious ; and the cvasi-religious beliefs of the subhuman horde neither. they don't end up dirty and stupid because transmission, but because nature.
mircea_popescu: and yes, obviously, "the cheese on the sides of her twat" is the "natural" and even "necessary" end point for ~all women. keep her in a cage, unable to shower for a week or two and see. but what's this say ? "common reason" ? fucking spare me.
mircea_popescu: the "ideas", if you can call them so, that people in caves "develop" aren't in any sense discoveries. john smith's uncomprehending mimicry of catholic dogma isn't "inspired" by scholastic writings. he just reproduced the twat cheese, much like shepherd "talking to the stars" in http://trilema.com/2012/luomo-delle-stele/ rediscovers presocratic wankery.
mircea_popescu: and so, to bring this around, i always said that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806663 ; here's a fine example of what is meant -- the guy with "plaque is the result of infection", like the guy with "homosexuality is biological", like the guy with "guns kill", like the guy with "don't tell women how to behave, tell men how to behave", like the guy with "stupidity isn't stupidity, but a thing of reason" are in the end the ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
mircea_popescu: same gal.
mircea_popescu: stupid people hold similar idiotic beliefs because stupidity is self-similar, not because someone taught them that ; and tamen usque recurret not because of mechanism, but exacrtly for lack of one. and so on.
mircea_popescu: in this view, "raising awareness" is the definitive wank, because it's an activity that is a) always entirely available ; b) always completely ineffectual and c) ulterior phenomena always confirm its predictions. no substantial difference between that and waking every morning ~3am and kowtowing towards the east until the sun comes out. a) this can always be done ; b) it will hurt absolutely nothing and c) the sun will always
mircea_popescu: come up.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/new-mexico-black-muslim-militants-get-bail-in-child-soldier-training-camp-case/ << Qntra - New Mexico Black Muslim Militants Get Bail In Child Soldier Training Camp Case
mircea_popescu: and since i'm doing "strategic superiority in review" for some reason, do we count http://trilema.com/2017/lets-put-one-and-two-together/#selection-145.0-149.12 as having protected trump / fizzled the "impeachment" lulz ? or "coincidental" in the sense man who says he's going to do x doesn't do it not because "if you do it ima fuck you up" but for ~coincidental reasons altogether~. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "a bed sitting room" has the cast listed ~by descending height~. this is totally how ima do any film i ever do, let shorties learn their place!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-15#1841891 << the pantsuit could prolly get rid of him without much effort, but why -- and lose their beloved harmless/ceremonial devil ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-15 21:49 mircea_popescu: and since i'm doing "strategic superiority in review" for some reason, do we count http://trilema.com/2017/lets-put-one-and-two-together/#selection-145.0-149.12 as having protected trump / fizzled the "impeachment" lulz ? or "coincidental" in the sense man who says he's going to do x doesn't do it not because "if you do it ima fuck you up" but for ~coincidental reasons altogether~.
mircea_popescu: this is more of the same "oh, could destroy bitcoin, just CHOOSES not to"
mircea_popescu: totallies.
mircea_popescu: like elaine once said, the choice between being raped and being a good girl rests entirely with the slut herself : those pantsuit that choose not to misbehave are never truly raped into submission, rite.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the old man isn't exactly a massively distributed net
mircea_popescu: that'd depend what you mean by is. he's the canary a massively distributed net uses for some purposes.
asciilifeform: possibly
asciilifeform: not clear to me that the lizards actually want him gone, is all
asciilifeform brb,meat
trinque: what of the desparate attempts to pin a "me too" to him?
trinque: as if anyone gives a shit
trinque: the lizards don't have any other moves these days, than to "scandalize" and then pout impotently when it does nothing, or backfires
trinque: the scandalize macroexpands to "tell mother", and if herr lizard admits to himself that it does nothing, suddenly he's standing all alone, very naked
mircea_popescu: actually, i very much don't think someone respectable who ~doesn't~ have a train of weeping instagram whores "accusing".
mircea_popescu: in which vein i suppose ima have to produce a few, lest i find myself not having a very high oppinion of myself.