mod6: went back to that .ua place kramarczuk's for lunch. had another ruban, got more sausages from the deli. couldn't resist.
mod6: had some chocolate royale cake.
mod6: yeah, pretty outstanding.
shinohai: Iused to have a kiwi irc there too, but prefer gb
shinohai: Not too bad here, watching it rain and reading logz, you?
mod6: same. just trying to catch up on todays stuff. working on eom stuff.
mod6: Speaking of which, if any Republicans have any changes to their advertised node, now is the time to let me know. Thanks!
mod6: yeah, im doin like 400 blocks per day...
trinque: deedbot's as listed, til I sign otherwise
mod6: this is not ideal hardware though, so I should add that.
mod6: trinque: thx! how goes down there?
mod6: asciilifeform: then that's more ideal than what I'm workin with for sure.
trinque: just fine; took a drive around and really not much "inner loop" damage, cept for shitty buildings and etc.
trinque: we dump our water on the surrounding areas!
mod6: ah, werd. but you didn't need to "urban kayak" your way out the door or down the street?
kanzure: well if it's true that i was the origin of her doxx (which is totally possible, i fucked up), that might color her deicsion, although her continuing to talk with me anyway doesn't add hope to that being right
kanzure: well i think she was attempting to be anonymous she was just bad at it, back in 2013 and pre-2013
kanzure: one of the problems is that there's not any high-quality seeders for any of the torrents.
☟︎ kanzure: few kilobytes/sec when i looked a ~year ago
☟︎ kanzure: well there's some stuff from libgen that is allegedly a backup or mirror if scihub
kanzure: but it's not downloadable in any reasonable human timeframe
kanzure: it's about ~50 TB total of a large chunk of all papers
kanzure: reportedly 97% coverage of entire elsevier collection
kanzure: you have something against libraries....? i mean other than all the librarians being spineless.
☟︎ trinque: BingoBoingo: I continue to read into the history of the Houston Bayous; this will likely end up a blog post rather than quick news.
trinque: for example, I learn that a certain George HW Bush as state congressman worked against the straightening and lining with concrete of buffalo bayou!
☟︎ deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: what's new in the life of g_l?
trinque: what substance was involved in this genius decision, to code while leg shattered?
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: theoretically, aside from the place I'm at now I have a room paid for without me doing anything.
gabriel_laddel_p: but am lazy and have a lispm in front of me (more or less) and want to nail this damn thing.
gabriel_laddel_p: there is supposed to be a lisp conference in sf in like 10 months I have to prepare for
trinque: forgive me if I disbelieve the part where you shattered your leg then went "meh, time to code"
trinque: also wtf, if you're going to tell a story start at the beginning
mod6: how did you "fall" ?
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I got preoccupied with girl on train, ended up heading to Berkley rather than Palo Alto by complete accident. oh no, 10:30!. Everything closed & I've been banned from all
gabriel_laddel_p: me: "fuck you, I'm going to climb a building & code atop it till sun comes up".
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: this is already day 2 or 3 no sleep. little food. totally ran out of energy
gabriel_laddel_p: (managed to climb anyways after accident). went back home after working for a few more days & scared the shit out of strangers / locals who've seen me via inability to walk
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: nonono, like all the houses of people I know in the area
gabriel_laddel_p: I'm sane and they're unilaterally morons. I'm not coy about it.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: actually, someone who works next to thiel day in day out got demo'd masamune. didn't get it.
gabriel_laddel_p: me: "listen, that you even think a 'layout engine' is a thing means you have no future, period. conversation is over, stop wasting my time"
trinque: look man you don't go around hitting people with the dick you imagine you'll have someday
trinque: or rather, you do, and it's hilarious. keep it up.
gabriel_laddel_p: fwiw, the conversation went of the rails before that. guy is actually a moron who by complete luck was involved with google earth.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I have a criminal record. prolly gotta make 20 MM or so first.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: you realize I don't like... pay bills, rent, whatever, right?
a111: Logged on 2014-12-16 04:00 BingoBoingo: decimation: Well it is one of those BTC futures without any BTC delivery deals
kanzure: full-collateralization only
mircea_popescu: shinohai: "connections" : 5, << i think that's how many of the trb list are actually up atm
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 00:26 kanzure: oh yeah, i'm not. ok.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can see why his working for fiat lulzfest attempting to fight battle usg lost back in 2014 may not earn him any brownie points with you or trinque or anyone else
mircea_popescu: nevertheless i'm not about to declare working for the shitpiles verboten. especially if the dood is smart enoughj to take his payment in cash.
mircea_popescu: a, may be worth trying. kusturica film, group of ww2 partisans spend all of tito's reign in a cellar.
mircea_popescu: this ledgerx thing, very much reminiscent of crny's hand-made rifles.
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean the battle of the bulge was done by 1945 ?! we will fight it next year! 1967!"
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel_p> this is already day 2 or 3 no sleep. little food. totally ran out of energy << cocaine or which-amphetamine
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo check them out, doods think they're central ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 00:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: briefly revisiting
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706495 : i'm beginning to wonder if it was simply because of WHO asked. i can't really blame $chix for not relishing the prospect of kanzure et al riding her l337 w4r4z to stolen relevancy esr-style
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, for a couple hours they were as far as anglophone alt-right was... Until we made great great again
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 00:43 kanzure: one of the problems is that there's not any high-quality seeders for any of the torrents.
mircea_popescu: srsly, dailystormer dorks running out of a vps, for all the "omg ddos" pretense...
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 15:11 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667584 << it is not, and ain't going to be, i'm not especially interested in helping folx to 'embrace and extinguish' it. as far as i'm concerned, 100% of the output is verifiable with the bignum calculator of your choice (e.g. 'bc') and it is no concern of anybody's how it was obtained.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 00:44 kanzure: few kilobytes/sec when i looked a ~year ago
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought the issue was access to said data, not how it was obtained.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 00:48 kanzure: you have something against libraries....? i mean other than all the librarians being spineless.
mircea_popescu: o btw, anyone ever dug through that large sr collection ? i recall some people dlding it at some point.
mircea_popescu: about 100x more interesting i suspect. not that this means it's all that interesting.
mircea_popescu: maybe he comes back with trins, gives ben_vulpes a run for the crown.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 02:06 trinque: for example, I learn that a certain George HW Bush as state congressman worked against the straightening and lining with concrete of buffalo bayou!
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 02:21 trinque: what substance was involved in this genius decision, to code while leg shattered?
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: asciilifeform: so why didn't he come work for you then?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 02:27 gabriel_laddel_p: me: "fuck you, I'm going to climb a building & code atop it till sun comes up".
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: not even slightly. personally, the whole "almost died" thing is from the doctors.
gabriel_laddel_p: err... the whole "almost died" thing is from the the doctors. they said this, I should have not just repeated it in logs.
gabriel_laddel_p: (with, admittedly a broken leg that would take some time to heal, just like now)
mircea_popescu: yes. there's no cranes delivered with the muscle/bone arrangement to auto-set failures.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if they still do the whole fracture setting class for soldiers these days. prolly not.
mircea_popescu: yes well, next time you break anything see a doctor within the hour.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: anyways, no intent to die for anyone. however also no intent to waste even a minute more of my life on stupid nonsense, ever.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: agreed. I love eating, but my finances go from 0 to 1k back to 0... regularly
gabriel_laddel_p: & having been banned from the number of social circles etc etc I end up in strange positions all the time.
gabriel_laddel_p: "what we are doing today is more important than anything the rest of this supposed startup is going to do, period. go away" (to persons gf)
gabriel_laddel_p: girl was not attractive enough for me to care, already been paid, the startup idea isn't even an idea
gabriel_laddel_p: it is so clearly and utterly obvious that I'm more important than, whatever, all of sf
trinque: folks are sometimes hesitant to pay you again after "lol fuck you bitch, got your money"
gabriel_laddel_p: which is why I have a place to stay & someone making me food right now.
mircea_popescu can sorta follow the logic, "fuck it, no longer need legs now"
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: well, in this instance the (guy) in question thought I sounded important & invited me to come live for a bit. parents making dinner.
gabriel_laddel_p: the girl discussing me with one of my friends is super duper impressed with me, and increasingly so'
kanzure: asciilifeform: there is a cache of all the papers. anything not cached is snarfed in real-time through ezproxy magic. yes.
gabriel_laddel_p: he's unimportant, but a nice fellow & knows his place in the universe. just decent white people.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: nah. like 20-something. I don't talk to her or anything, but, again, people run into, ban, then discuss me at lenght
kanzure: asciilifeform: the torrents are not mine; those are snapshots from either libgen or maybe scihub.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this also could go on the list, other than the teixochips and microscope : depdfizing and SELECTING the decent papers in that pile.
mircea_popescu: throw all the crap out, publish the rest as plain text/html.
mircea_popescu: could trivially throw out a large chunk by applying methodical selection criteria. "fails to include its dataset, NUKED"
kanzure: re: throwing out the crap, someone was working on 'compression' (since pdf is awful and highly redundant). he estimated the total data could be 10x reduced.
gabriel_laddel_p: to finish that story, I was not even at this party, and don't to any of them + have started charging people to meet with me.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p sounds like shit's looking up for you then!
mircea_popescu: kanzure the crap i mean, actual bad "research" papers.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: fwiw, can't wait for the 5-10 years or w/e to come meet irl at some point.
mircea_popescu: AND the fact of the matter is that the whole "scientific community" is a bunch of desperate teenaged cunts. all they need is a trump to pussygrab them, and they're cheering for his appearnce.
mircea_popescu: throw up MOST of the papers, establish a level they have to meet, be the king of angloscience.
kanzure: yes but the scihub person isn't do that :(
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: I'm not a felon. trespassing & petty theft + ignored warrants for years.
mircea_popescu: afaik unless felon, can get passport. talk to a mexican lawyer.
mircea_popescu: has to be federal, which wouldn't be for "trespassing" ie i got drunk at a party.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: inside research lab. at night. with no ID to be in there.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 02:28 asciilifeform: i had nfi it were possible to be 'banned from berkeley' - what is this, 1500s germany?
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: criuise ships don't really check ID + bribes exist. I can probably take a one way cruise, hop off & become someone else if I felt like putting in the effort/
mircea_popescu: im not aware the shitpiles are allowed in here. but perhaps.
kanzure: huh? asciilifeform said djvu is yes
gabriel_laddel_p: off for a few days to heal, work & catch up on logs. nice chatting.
mircea_popescu: html of text plus img WHEN NEEDED. that's what science is.
kanzure: do you feel bad knowing that it's for vampire fanfic? is that something you really want to know?
kanzure: i haven't checked if that's the case.
kanzure: anyway, i agree that the data is in terrible format, should be fixed before dumping 50 TB of crap on everyone
mircea_popescu: omfg my derrogatories don't even register with this guy.
kanzure: i called you an idiot and you gave me money. the non-registration goes both ways.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 8 * 60 * 180 = 86400
kanzure: asciilifeform: you mean... png?
mircea_popescu: kanzure you could probably RETYPE, by your own hand, all the science worth existing being produced each day thrice over.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the WHOLE POINT is to get future science to hyperlink old articles.
☟︎ kanzure: mircea_popescu: the trick is convincing everyone to give me their science each day. most people just say "nah you'd die from information overload" but they haven't tried.
mircea_popescu: this is 100 times more valuable than "oh noes, i drew out my product symbol hurr"
mircea_popescu: for the inept "typographic" qualities you gain with dejavu and it's shittier monkistan degradations, you LOSE OUT!!! on the only important thing. the only thing that fucking matters. the hyperlinking.
mircea_popescu: it's why we even made the fucking net in the first fucking place motherfuckers.
mircea_popescu: not so idiots could "oh noes, typography, like in a book"
mircea_popescu: "i want my computer to lisp because i want to inspect the trees and i think science should be in acrylate slices, like the fucking horses"
mircea_popescu: ALL this takes is to have a basis. it'll acrete once that is large enough.
mircea_popescu: which should answer #hpluswhatwas it's curiosity. i can coerce, because people can't live with themselves if they don't do as i say. a lesson some learn on own skin and some intuit naturally.
mircea_popescu: maybe he's nuts enough to actually act autonomously, who knows.
mircea_popescu: arxive is jwz through and through. most all of it is crap.
mircea_popescu: that's whart a fucking library is for in the first place.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel_p> do they? << Yes, unless you want to be gimped for life. It's a permanent hit to your hitpoints
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform was about to ask 'she ain't named tanja lange...?' lol << LOLOLOLOLOL
BingoBoingo: <kanzure> mircea_popescu: the trick is convincing everyone to give me their science each day. most people just say "nah you'd die from information overload" but they haven't tried. << Have you tried building an obelisk for your science. I hear it works wonders.
mircea_popescu: tho maybe he wants to usew you know, his own name. Bryan Bishop's Actual Science Report.
ben_vulpes: pff i go to take my girl for gelato and romp my child with his grandparents and y'all create epic logs
ben_vulpes: "2 and 3" means 2nd and third, "for this much suffering we should fucking get twins"
ben_vulpes: i'll probably put up a page on cuntstarter or something
BingoBoingo: Or you know... invest in cuntstaller or something
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 04:18 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: package arrived, ty
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: actually now that you mention it, i hopped on a scale for lulz recently and realized that i should really stop calibrating my intake against hers
ben_vulpes: lady is quite clearly engaged in a serious fabrication project
ben_vulpes: package was robust enough to survive this operation!
ben_vulpes: girl wanted to show me things, but was reading circuit diagrams, "woman, i am reading schematics for a communist killing machine. whatever you have can wait"
ben_vulpes: you can tell it's artisinal asymmetric warfare gear by the vintage yellow dots on the manual
☟︎ ben_vulpes: a headline that won't make the cut this evening: "<something> Javascript: It can work"
ben_vulpes: i tell you, listening to the young feller who shares the toxic trainstation orifice with me prattle on about the majesty of es6 takes what wind is left in the sails of trying to fix a young man's mind clean to /dev/null
ben_vulpes: even he almost gets it, "oh yeah, they just poured the whole sugar bag of syntax in. javascript has python, c#, you name it."
ben_vulpes: "oh dear, i really need some help here. this javascript app is so completely asynchronous that i can't hold it all in my head at the same time." "didja design it to fit in your head?" "no, i didn't really have time for that." "didja...write tests for it?" "no, definitely didn't have time for that" "well, it looks like you're going to have to find the time to painfully debug it by hand without any of the
☟︎ ben_vulpes: tooling i told you to write three months ago."
ben_vulpes: ("imagine, if they only paid software coolies for software that works" [tm] [r] [asciilifeform])
☟︎ mircea_popescu braces for pravda becoming simple retelling of logs in monotone, braindead voice.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 05:04 ben_vulpes: you can tell it's artisinal asymmetric warfare gear by the vintage yellow dots on the manual
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: actually now that you mention it, i hopped on a scale for lulz recently and realized that i should really stop calibrating my intake against hers << Smoking cessation invokes a similar realization when the implication of one's resting heartrate falling to a human value from a near avian value on basal metabolism hits
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I doubt it's a folding to Republican ideology so much as "Remember how popular Black Lives Matter was electorally..."
mircea_popescu: i measure the whore's performance not her internal states.
BingoBoingo: Even from a performative angle, gotta assume WAPO pilotage is a least USG.NAVY.BoatDriving level anti-skilled
BingoBoingo: Which means it may show aggression beyond its station and try bullying bigger commercial vessels out of their lanes to its loss and actual people's inconvenience.
BingoBoingo: Sure, not worth forcasting that in detail, but it is useful to have an idea where floods first.
BingoBoingo: I'm very uncertain. It's easy to know pantsuit eats their own. I lack a refined oracle atm for which demographic pantsuit eats next.
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
PeterL: ah, thanks for the voice
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 03:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the WHOLE POINT is to get future science to hyperlink old articles.
PeterL: this is something I needed for work, and tada, web search came up with nice open access article, I was amazed
☟︎☟︎ shinohai: Keeps popping up in my research but I'm leery of unknown brands.
shinohai: Cool asciilifeform ..... might be worth a shot anyway
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4703.98, vol: 7723.99980004 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4688.0, vol: 15772.92932907 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4703.51, vol: 3447.11091498 | Volume-weighted last average: 4694.56524437
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 05:15 ben_vulpes: "oh dear, i really need some help here. this javascript app is so completely asynchronous that i can't hold it all in my head at the same time." "didja design it to fit in your head?" "no, i didn't really have time for that." "didja...write tests for it?" "no, definitely didn't have time for that" "well, it looks like you're going to have to find the time to painfully debug it by hand without any of the
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 05:16 ben_vulpes: ("imagine, if they only paid software coolies for software that works" [tm] [r] [asciilifeform])
deedbot: sageprobes voiced for 30 minutes.
sageprobes: was expecting a forum tbh, I don't actually have a sage probe I would need help with but was curious about battle stories
sageprobes: I found the original cracking article plenty interesting :P
sageprobes: Been intermittently following Loper for ages, I'm an Urbit employee ^-^
☟︎ sageprobes: below market because like ~Haskell tax~ but pays the rent
deedbot: fyr voiced for 30 minutes.
fyr: hmm guess I've been on here before
fyr: Haskell tax is the phenomenon that working in Java or Javascirpt or w/e pays more
fyr: At least as a junior idk
shinohai: I thought working in Java was like a circle of hell or a prison sentence.
fyr: yup, and adequately compensated by googamzbooksoft!
fyr: > ascii armored public key
fyr: see this is why I want urbit to exist uvu
☟︎ fyr: I can paste in an ssh pubkey I guess?
fyr: Yeah I'm trying to figure out if this is doable without having a trilema-specific key I'd inevitably lose
☟︎ trinque: there's no urbit-turd you'd also have to keep holding onto?
trinque: surely this is not insurmountable
shinohai: Thank you, hurr-duurbit, come again!
shinohai: (Preferably when you realize what a true digital Republic is)
trinque: lotta calitards slithering in lately. must be climate change.
☟︎ shinohai imagines trinque on an island of fire ants directing the weather from tx
shinohai: Floating fire ants, to be more specific
deedbot: fyr voiced for 30 minutes.
fyr: My "urbit-turd" is ultimately on a test-net, and doesn't have live keys
fyr: and if it did and the shitty VPS it's on went down, I'd make doe eyes at Management and they'd unilaterally push my new key into the kernel of everyone on the network
☟︎ fyr: because lolwut is decentralization
fyr: Afaict the whole point of the nickserv pgp thing is I can't come in a month later all "my laptop finally died of blunt impact trauma, accept new unsigned pubkey pl0x"
☟︎ fyr: which would be terribly self-defeating if said laptop death did occur
shinohai: omg it is a so-called `cryptocurrency` ?
fyr: Anyway I know I'm on the larp server for "not getting pwned by unspecified pgp-fearing non-Mossad is hard, reliable backups and Linux audio is easy"
fyr: just *grump* at the implication that gpg is usable enough by a non-initiate to get a brainwallet or w/e out of it in 5 minutes
fyr knows he should "just" git gud at crypto
fyr: I guess I could just generate an entropic keypair and dump the private half in Dropbox, but in that case staying unregistered seems more uh honest :3
fyr: (Especially if I keep using this thru webchat on an ~underpatched iPad~)
shinohai: "and dump the private half in Dropbox" <<< please don't fucking do this
fyr: It's not, even the desired end state is semi-centralized with 256 root nodes
fyr: I am very much not going to do that yes
fyr: I have a fresh Librem lying around I can probably use that
fyr: But that doesn't actually solve the "2 years later I drop it in the bath" problem
fyr: Which requires more proactive multisig running-around
fyr: Okay yes I could just triplicate the primary key on various SD cards and hope nobody finds any of them
fyr: Still involves securing physical possessions as suddenly my job and not evil megacorps'
fyr: Anyway I'm sure I can be talked into it eventually, but I don't have it set up /already/ and am not going to go on a multihour Fetchquest to that effect rn
fyr: "Without help" is a bit harsh, and implies I shouldn't read the ~practical guide~ just linked, but if I have srs keys nobody gets to touch them ya
fyr: Like I'm not saying it is ~an utterly impossible insurmountable burden~ I'm saying I don't have any threat models for which it makes sense
☟︎ shinohai: Imagine key as physical object, like diamond. You would leave it sitting on kitchen table behind locked doors whilst you work?
fyr: to take on the liability of "don't lose this file or you'll get much more reputational harm than just not registering in the first place"
☟︎ fyr: No I'd leave it locked up in a bank that all the normies trust B)
fyr: I have like less than one lying around on coinbase for use in buying alpaca socks, not like in any serious capacity
☟︎ fyr: I have any idea it just seems like a lot of work :P
shinohai: asciilifeform: I was trying to be magnanimous and assume he had basic knowledge
fyr: Have read article, if I was doing this for srs that would be a backup for sharded offsite multisig
fyr: I have a decent grasp of the relevant /primitives/ and am confident in my ability to actually apply them after a couple days of reading manpages
fyr: How many times has any ~ghost~ on this channel actually been impersonated? I guess like if every conversation starts with "get a key already" ghosts just don't exist for long
☟︎ fyr: And like I get that unforgeable reputation is useful if you want to have a textual agreement to buy some MPEx security for bitcoin, or w.e.
shinohai: "if I was doing this for srs" <<< no reason to do it otherwise besides practicd in ones own home
fyr: But I don't have any bright plans for making such arrangements, and will consider keyfulness premature optimization until then
fyr is listening about how he should put the porch rhinestone inside a $200 safe
fyr: which will take 2 dudes with jackhammers a day to install, disrupting any attempts to get work done during that day
fyr: hi mircea tell me how I should stop being an untrusted ghostfag <3
fyr: actually nvm don't I gtg
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 12:34 PeterL: this is something I needed for work, and tada, web search came up with nice open access article, I was amazed
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 12:34 PeterL: this is something I needed for work, and tada, web search came up with nice open access article, I was amazed
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 15:13 asciilifeform: it's shitflare, eh, serves up whatever it feels like depending on from where
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 16:17 sageprobes: Been intermittently following Loper for ages, I'm an Urbit employee ^-^
mircea_popescu: at which point i feel compelled to quote
http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.0-185.1138 : "So we understand each other : John is some poor and kinda stupid kid from some ghetto in some indistinct townlet. One day, Mircea the Bad comes there on whatever business, sits down in the bar with his two bitches curled up at his feet and drinks a rum or something. The girls from the ghetto, for love of their coun
mircea_popescu: try (in our example, that sad ghet to) pick John up forcibly, sit him down at the table next to mine and curl at his feet, just like the other two. They're definitely not slavegirls, they have neither the training nor the skills nor in the end the needs or structure of that relationship, and no marble columns, no gardens where water sprinkles among the cypress nor artesian fountains springing forth marzipan await them at hom
mircea_popescu: e, but instead the nude concrete walls, the [low class mass produced kitsch wallhanging stuff], the bedbug infested pressed shitboard nightstand. But indifferent to all these points, they play a role to support a theory : the theory that here too, in the assghetto of shit "we got fine stuff", and a John wh o, even if only four letters long, is still quite as great as any Mircea come from afar."
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 16:24 fyr: see this is why I want urbit to exist uvu
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707415 << lol this guy. the "trilema-specific" item is the only non-specific one. "oh, i can't get on the web from my walled garden dumbphone without a "web specific" arrangement". yes, it's called a key. the freedom-specific item people in cells need is called a key.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 16:33 fyr: Yeah I'm trying to figure out if this is doable without having a trilema-specific key I'd inevitably lose
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 16:43 trinque: lotta calitards slithering in lately. must be climate change.
trinque: if there are a few salvageable folks out there, hooray.
trinque met ben_vulpes in Portland after all
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:32 fyr: and if it did and the shitty VPS it's on went down, I'd make doe eyes at Management and they'd unilaterally push my new key into the kernel of everyone on the network
mircea_popescu: trinque there's at all times large swathes of salvageable cattle. they -- never in short supply. who can be arsed to wield the whip in such copious quantities as they may require, now that's a challenge.
mircea_popescu: fwis the forum's patience already wearing thin at the edges.
mircea_popescu: (this is a significant problem. consider a model : there's what, ten-twenty millions of bernsteins, kanzure , fyr and what have you on one hand ; and only a hundred or so of us. even if we were to work a full 200 hour's week, if on average one needs 1k man-hours of constant whipping to redress into humanity, we encounter the following birthday paradox : either the whipping is undirected, in which case every tard gets 15 minut
mircea_popescu: es and nothing happens ; or else the whipping is directed, in which case we pick the 3-sigma cases and get 0.03% of 10mn ie 3k people who could be fixed in a few days each.
mircea_popescu: now the problem with this is that the stupid beast ~quite deliberately~ (even if uncomprehended by the elements, subhuman as they are, composing that beast) presents them partially. so as to avoid you know, actual results, much like an octopus would touch a stove.)
trinque: g_l for example can absorb an astonishing amount of whipping with nary a budge. I don't even mean that as an insult.
trinque: I've got e-mail threads with him where I try to spoonfeed him a mcclim support gig, nada
mircea_popescu: trinque i have no clear view of what he's doing, so i can't measure, so i wouldn't even call it that.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the in-character which is to say fictitious name for "the stupid beast presents them partially to avoid phase transitions" is that much-celebrated (in stupidistan) "freedom of choice", ie the batshit insane notion that the unknowing may be involved in decisions as of what to do with themselves.
mircea_popescu: heck, why not, if there can exist (as in principle can) individuals who need any arbitrary amount of whipping, there's no reason to elide the extreme case. maybe somewhere somehow there exists this jeddi that actually needs 0, is a natural.
mircea_popescu: can't say i've encountered that many ; and can say that from actual lived experience, the "thinks he's jeddi" heuristic is a fine indicator for "head so far up ass the net result of sufficient whipping will be soap", ie
http://trilema.com/2015/the-anal-child/ ☟︎ mircea_popescu: i've had no idea just how frequent 4foot-something females are, pre latinoamerica.
mircea_popescu: anyway. but the discussion does make it plain and obvious why "nonviolence", ie attemptingto limit whippings, is such an automatic companion to "freedom of meaningless choice" as to establish what to the cattle means "human rights".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what can i tell you, 152 centimeters are a lot of centimeters for this part of the world.
phf: jack daniel or whatever his name (ECL guy, who's working on CLIM) made actual progress on the codebase (though some percent of it is wracker work) despite and since being condemned by g_l. i'm not quite sure what g_l did meanwhile..
☟︎ mircea_popescu: phf was this some guy briefly here ? or different people ?
phf: different people and i think i'm confusing names
mircea_popescu: (also, for the completeness of lulz : the stupidistani name for ~meaningful~ choice is "nobrainer", aiming to imply that the only proper use of the cattle brain is the contemplation of meaningless choices.)
mircea_popescu: it's so OBVIOUS, you see, and so EVIDENT, you realise, that one needn't even use his brain for it, whenever the choice is actually meaningful.
phf: hmm, my ircII doesn't unicode at all
phf: supposed to be an n with accent aigu, he's i think a polak
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 01:55 phf: "<jackdaniel> [04:47:11] keep in mind my CLIM fu is very weak though :)" yet the guy is collecting money for paid CLIM internals development
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you picture NOT "'d00d fixed my car, some percent, but crowbared the windows" ? when exactly was this the case, i've yet to encounter it.
phf: it's exactly that! replaced a deflated wheel, while also putting a chair on the roof
mircea_popescu: "painted the wall killed the orchid ; unclogged the toilet dented the faiance ; cooked a meal dirtied the pots..."
mircea_popescu: hey, at least they saved the village before destroying it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, iirc disagreement with gl was re ethertardation.
phf: asciilifeform: i very much remember many threads
mircea_popescu: gl condemnation of jd was related to ethereum not technical dispute.
mircea_popescu: Our current financial status is $1,429 for bounties and $267 recurring monthly contributions from the supporters (thanks!).
phf: yeah, i don't remember the details. i think g_l just wanted to be the top dog on the project, and, to quote trinque, swing a dick that he didn't have by running the whole thing in faux tmsr way (lots of calling everyone cunt), which got him marginalized, and eventually completely sidelined
mircea_popescu: hey phf you have any idea how they calculate the bounties ?
mircea_popescu: maybe he's scottish, cunt just means man in their lowlands gaelic.
phf: i don't think he literally used the word cunt. i've spent some years with the irish, when i'm in moscows i start reverting (i'm not quite sure what the connection is in my brain)
mircea_popescu: phf and other than "how do they calculate the bounties", are you supporting this ?
mircea_popescu: ok, but the problem of interest is how to compute something to end up with the magic number 150. or a replacement.
mircea_popescu: (there's a lot of work went into this in eulora, i dunno if you've seen the various pricing threads. it's to my eyes a very interesting problem)
phf: i ~believe~ that bounties are pulled out of ass by the mcclim stakeholders like beach. "this is tricky and i want it a lot, $500!"
mircea_popescu: fwiw this has been open problem in it management since about 1970.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: I have not seen jackdaniel.
a111: I haven't seen jackdaniel
phf: now, or sometime before?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform caribbean blue is no joke btw ; retards from argentina keep whining about their blue sky, but i just saw one today and there's no comparison.
mircea_popescu: im sure if ian smith's wife was hot as opposed to one of the anglo-dutch looking bags they'd have said the same.
mircea_popescu: can pretty much exactly follow "civilised" inferiority complex by what they whine re "corruption" in orcs.
mircea_popescu: cuz everyhone knows a girl really wants to be just like that dumbass "congressional aide" what was her name, mary tired or what.
mircea_popescu: they don't even have to be total country bumpkins, even a non-yokel would really love to live in washington!
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 19:14 phf: jack daniel or whatever his name (ECL guy, who's working on CLIM) made actual progress on the codebase (though some percent of it is wracker work) despite and since being condemned by g_l. i'm not quite sure what g_l did meanwhile..
phf: (i kind of missed the question, but also didn't understand it, so will clarify, that i'm not supporting recent mcclim development, financially or otherwise)
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jackdaniel: yay, so much fame :-) but I'm only accepting PR's after some testing, nothing to praise for
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:32 fyr: Afaict the whole point of the nickserv pgp thing is I can't come in a month later all "my laptop finally died of blunt impact trauma, accept new unsigned pubkey pl0x"
mircea_popescu: jackdaniel dja know any of the fellows ? asciilifeform ? phf ?
jackdaniel: I know phf nick, can't remember where from
mircea_popescu: jackdaniel so a major item of curiosity for me is how do you calculate the bounty values ?
jackdaniel: I work a bit with code. I asses how hard it will be to fix it, how beneficial fixing it will be and how much resources we have
jackdaniel: then I consult with guys on #clim if my assesments are okaish
mircea_popescu: would having more money at your disposal put an inflationary pressure on bounty levels ? ie, for "same work" (admitting for a moment there's such a thing as work-needed scalar) more money ? conversely, encountering headwinds/making little progress over time/decelerating would deflate bounties ?
jackdaniel: it's hard to read what you write. could you rephrase?
mircea_popescu: let's try. so at the moment you have $1,429 for bounties ; let's say the average bounty pays 10 dollars per quanta of "computer work", however defined.
mircea_popescu: had you $1,429,500 for bounties, would the per-quanta payment increase ? maybe to 11 ? 20 ? 100 ?
jackdaniel: sorry, I'm quite busy now. I've read the log – yes, bounties are arbitrary, or as someone nicely put it "pulled out of ass" by me
jackdaniel: regarding gl, he behaved socially unacceptable on the channel and tracker what was a burden because it introduced many childish plays
☟︎ jackdaniel: no, I'm not that interested in cryptocurriencies to think about them much
jackdaniel: either way, thanks for inviting me so I could confirm/clarifiy some assesments about me. Have a nice evening o/
phf: i don't think he appreciated my communication style.
mircea_popescu: phf basically what i take his notion to be re the problem is you know, "i'll just mp it", which may seem like a workable idea until one stops to notice that the original mp never actually attempted to guess prices.
phf: i don't think he can even grok the shape of the criticism
mircea_popescu: possibly not. language perhaps a factor. but i dun speak polish sadly.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this makes 3 out of 3 not supporting this, and amusingly enough in each case for merits.
phf: i'm not understanding the second half of that sentence
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't support it because he doesn't like the outer case limits of the design, esp re speed. i am not supporting it because i do not have any faith whatsoever in its financial soundness. you aren't supporting it because hm.
mircea_popescu: (if you're interested by the literalism, "for merit" is one of two ways in which a case can be adjudicated. the other one is on form, such as through lack of standing, lack of jurisdiction, etcetera.)
phf: aah, now i get the whole thing
mircea_popescu: well, i had space for five words, what do you want from me.
mircea_popescu: (but yes, the reason i even looked irrespective of that being on the table was the involved complexity and the expectation you're not actually speaking from atop it)
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:40 fyr: Like I'm not saying it is ~an utterly impossible insurmountable burden~ I'm saying I don't have any threat models for which it makes sense
mircea_popescu: twelve year old boy gets a bike because otherwise the cool kids won't let him hang with them ; and if they do not his whole fucking life is forfeit, as a factual matter.
phf: i'm not sure if mcclim can be "made better" by own hands, but i'm not interested in the direction the bounty team is taking it. i agree with ascii, but i think it could be attempted to reduce it to absolute minimum of moving parts, to establish if the design is fundamentally limited or not.
mircea_popescu: he'll end up counting colored beads in boise, idaho and wondering why jc is following anyone to the toilet for the asking.
trinque: phf: I had a recent thread with the beach character in which "yeah, nobody knows what gadgets are for, can probably go" and so on.
mircea_popescu: what's the loc count on this thing btw ? anyone has it ? submn ? supermn ?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707469 << afaik this isn't supported by either theory or practice. the harm is exactly same. besides, what'd the negative harm attach to ? the lost identity can't confirm the losing by definition, and a different identity can't attach anything to the original also by definition. so...
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:41 fyr: to take on the liability of "don't lose this file or you'll get much more reputational harm than just not registering in the first place"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:43 fyr: I have like less than one lying around on coinbase for use in buying alpaca socks, not like in any serious capacity
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:47 fyr: How many times has any ~ghost~ on this channel actually been impersonated? I guess like if every conversation starts with "get a key already" ghosts just don't exist for long
mircea_popescu: that's also by definition. we actually don't attach identity to ghosts, liberally confuse them with each other, treat them as "a different" ghost whatever.
mircea_popescu: your notion that you can be a person outside of the wot is you know, exactly like cumdumpster bimbo's notion anyone notices, cares, or recalls.
phf: it's actually pretty small. 150k or so if you don't count the dependencies. i believe that the mcclim team has pulled a bunch of builtin compatability layers and replaced them with portable "community" versions i.e. closer-mop instead of builtin mop facility (metaobject protocol for dealing with CLOS classes), etc.
mircea_popescu: that's not even terribru. imo within "with-own-hands" territory, especially if there's readily ablatable low hanging fruit.
mircea_popescu: but then again, my "imo" is the producer's "imo", "imo you should be able to take that 9 incher up your ass, i've seen plenty of girls do it before." "that exact one ?" "well no" "up this exact ass ?" "well, you're new." "SO THEN!" "face down ass up already, time's money."
phf: (but then so is franz's clim2, 150k or so, which i spent significant time with, trying to make heads or tales of its hairy object manipulation code, and that "9 incher" bit is apropos)
mircea_popescu thinks he's had entirely too much fun this morning ; will bbl.
phf: i claim that my already abysmal spelling has degraded because i'm in slavland
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a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 19:56 jackdaniel: which discouraged users from using mcclim
gabriel_laddel_p: It seems rather strange to me that you’re assigning bounties to “bugs” when it is clear that in many cases you have read neither the spec, nor the code, nor have the slightest idea what is even WRONG in the proposed bug.
gabriel_laddel_p: Separately I also defunded you to an extent, for the simple reason that you have no vision, nor communication ability, nor coding ability, period.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: CLIM & ether have nothing to do with one another. you are remembering that I A) completed a bounty and then B) was not paid
gabriel_laddel_p: turns out it takes usg/fiat _three months_ to process fucking 200 usd. was eventually paid. never mentioned it bc wtf, 200 use?
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: anyways, there is a lot more to address in the above log, but I did get the largest McCLIM backers to date to stop funding the effort. One of them bought a masamune.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:01 gabriel_laddel_p: turns out it takes usg/fiat _three months_ to process fucking 200 usd. was eventually paid. never mentioned it bc wtf, 200 use?
gabriel_laddel_p: incidentally, my CLIM implementation is 99,676 lines of lisp code, as calculated by sloccount just now
gabriel_laddel_p: incomplete, yes, but there are some fundamental things in CLIM that need to be fixed, such as the notion of a parallel type heigharchy for presentations.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: imho can be cut down to an easy 30k loc that will be faster, conceptually "closed"
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: first I had to nail down masamune replication. which I actually managed to do
gabriel_laddel_p: (single function call generates a USB that boots into a CLIM environment, no version changes, ever)
trinque: duplicating the contents of a block device is trivial.
trinque: I used to work on a thing that'd multicast images out. say 500 servers pxeboot, slurp image, reboot, post-deploy script runs, and your DC is up
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: it isn't "duplicating the contents of a block device", but rather having that USB able to build itself onto another machine that can in turn generate replication USBs that is the problem
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: maybe I overcomplicated things,but wrote in terms of CPIO format then fed into linux kernel from syslinux.
trinque: at any rate, neat, but the hyperbole is not doing you any favors.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: if all this is so easy, where is the frozen tsmr gentoo that can do what I described above?
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: I can't quite put my finger on it, but I think we're talking past one another here & have been for some time.
trinque: yeah, you get defensive too quickly.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: apologies. I think this is mostly just that the path forwards is clear to me, and that e.g., you people see a masamune video & ask zero questions I'm mostly left wondering why you even bother pretending you want a lispm
☟︎ trinque: anyhow infectious gentoo is sitting on my hd, asciilifeform, whoever else bothered. saying so isn't diminishing you having done it as well.
gabriel_laddel_p: I rather have the same reaction to the old symbolics people in the area who have now seen masamune after sinking you know, a decade of their lives or so into lispm & then don't buy
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: but you know, invite me to stuff & call me "the lisp machine kid" + insist on my showing it off to their idiot friends
trinque: didn't I propose you change tactics a while back?
gabriel_laddel_p: shinohai: in particular. ascii gets a pass for writing loper_os
trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: right there, you presume to tell asciilifeform whether he "gets a pass"
trinque: yes, dumb fucking kid, still. and a drug-addled wreck to boot.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: let's put it this way irrespective of anything any of you say, I say the future is going to look like this:
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:16 gabriel_laddel_p: I rather have the same reaction to the old symbolics people in the area who have now seen masamune after sinking you know, a decade of their lives or so into lispm & then don't buy
trinque: you do not have a declarative relationship with the future
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gabriel_laddel_p: first concrete step towards sane computing is a tsmr gentoo that is A) self contained B) infectious / replicates as described above C) uses CLIM for all graphics.
gabriel_laddel_p: all existing CLIM implementations have problems. it is an annoying, irritating, but utterly straightforwards process to fix any of the extant CLIM implementations
gabriel_laddel_p: this means that all of the Unix tooling can essentially be dumped in favor of lisp + CLIM.
gabriel_laddel_p: this is essentially what masamune is, admittedly in a ragged & impoverished form, right now, today.
trinque: and how does having a lisp userland atop a massive C kernel help?
trinque: understand that the kernel defines the ways in which userland shall interact with it, and thus shapes userland?
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: because lisp/s-expressions/incremental compilation means that you don't have to make decisions about everything right away.
gabriel_laddel_p: an entire, sane lispm-like (which yes, ascii disagrees with) unix can be had, and then this can meet the hardware implementation "in the middle"
gabriel_laddel_p: specifically, when I say "meet in the middle", a fixed CLIM will run just fine on new tsmr hardware reverse engineered fpga lispm with a minimum amount of fuss
gabriel_laddel_p: it is unclear at this point what the hardware, real lispm implementation is going to look like & I have months of logs to catch up before I begin to even comment on this
gabriel_laddel_p: there are however, a number of issues, such as a how to get rid of floats & what to replace them with that can be safely engineered on the unix-not-even-lispm
gabriel_laddel_p: for example, are you familiar with the book "the end of error"?
gabriel_laddel_p: now, I am 100% with ascii that floats have to die. no question. I, however, am severely undereducated & don't know what to replace them with.
☟︎ trinque: how do you bridge the gap between your hyperbolic statements about the future of computing and what you just said?
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I'm telling you it is going to play out like that, and not in another way.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: anywyays, this seems obvious to me. MP has been asking for a tsmr linux for years. if you all have had it floating around FUCKING RELEASE.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: do you need me to find log references for when he has asked this, or do you remember offhand?
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: or do you disagree with his judgement that such a thing is necessary?
trinque: danielpbarron is offering a gentoo lappy iirc.
trinque: asciilifeform: I've lost interest in this thread, all yours.
phf: gabriel_laddel_p: you're moving targets though. if you're building a tmsr linux nobody's going to fault you, but if you're going to approach a bunch of lisp heads with a half assed sbcl environment on a unix machine and tell them it's a "lisp machine", expect nothing but contempt
gabriel_laddel_p: we are going to be getting dinner at some point is my understanding to work out details.
gabriel_laddel_p: incidentally, I remembered exactly where the demo to google earth guy went off the rails after logging off last night.
gabriel_laddel_p: he saw, with his own eyes the line count for CLIM, and had worked with the browser for several years. we looked at the loc count for chrome & compared.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p from their own lists it says it wasn't claimed or something.
gabriel_laddel_p: he thought 100k loc in one language vs. ~30 million in 20 languages wasn't a big deal.
gabriel_laddel_p: at which point I was sort of curious what the fuck he did all day at google anyways
phf: gabriel_laddel_p: it was a form of speech, but it didn't go anywhere with you. i'm saying it's not a lisp machine, because i have a lisp machine on an fpga right here, ron garret saw a demo and thinks it's a lisp machine. he's sold, i'm not, so it stands.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 19:56 jackdaniel: regarding gl, he behaved socially unacceptable on the channel and tracker what was a burden because it introduced many childish plays
mircea_popescu: while im not proposing to ~necessarily~ encourage misbehaviours in soldiers, a poorly disciplined troop is the responsibility of the commanding officer and no one else. so no, i dun think much of the quality of authority over there in this context.
gabriel_laddel_p: for the record, my "unacceptable behavior" was stating outright that windows has no place near the codebase. nor osx.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p you probably made that point by telling some tanja lange she's fat, in what's becoming signature style.
mircea_popescu: (do i have the right deGRasse account fossVERIFIED btw ? fat blondy ? or am i confusing ghosts.)
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a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:10 gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: it isn't "duplicating the contents of a block device", but rather having that USB able to build itself onto another machine that can in turn generate replication USBs that is the problem
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707760 << this is precisely why it doesn't exist : cuz people dun think it's a big deal per se, and so can't be bothered to do that before they actually build a disk device full of something they'd actually want replicated. which cuntoo isn't at yet. maybe just on the cusp, i guess.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:12 gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: if all this is so easy, where is the frozen tsmr gentoo that can do what I described above?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:15 gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: apologies. I think this is mostly just that the path forwards is clear to me, and that e.g., you people see a masamune video & ask zero questions I'm mostly left wondering why you even bother pretending you want a lispm
shinohai: The thing with cuntoo is, it *does* exist in the sense that more folx use it as it exists now than they do other non-OS's
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707865 << i've actually watched the whole video, and commented on it in logs. i'd like to point out that ~before~ watching the video i was making plans to fly to SF in short time to buy a masamune machine
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:59 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707765 << i'd be surprised if 1 in 10 people here watch any given video. prolly goes to 1 in 2 or 3 re pics, and is 1 in 1.x or even 1.0x re text. so bear that in mind.
trinque: I meanwhile offered a couple hundred bucks to just get a current build of the software, because I had no interest in the ONE TRUE lenovo turd or w/e he'd selected.
☟︎ trinque: guy doesn't want money, or to eat.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:58 phf: gabriel_laddel: well this is my avocation, so hacking on hemlock and installing masamune in sfo is cost equivalent. i'd make a trip just as a mini vacation, i'll see when's the closest i can swing it
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 03:11 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632161 << i just didn't think the video was good. i also can install all the individual packages that are involved, but i wanted to see if and how the symbiosis makes you more productive
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 03:11 phf: but there was none of that, because there wasn't actually anything being done. i think it would be a lot more impressive if you setup a non trivial task and showed how masamune makes that task easier to perform
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:43 phf: gabriel_laddel_p: it was a form of speech, but it didn't go anywhere with you. i'm saying it's not a lisp machine, because i have a lisp machine on an fpga right here, ron garret saw a demo and thinks it's a lisp machine. he's sold, i'm not, so it stands.
phf: the sentece was corny, i meant that "i didn't buy masamune (because ..) but ron garret did"
deedbot: asciilifeform rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 at 2016/12/01 18:37:11 << possibly == gabriel_laddel
shinohai: !rate asciilifeform 4 dindu `nuffin
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:59 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707765 << i'd be surprised if 1 in 10 people here watch any given video. prolly goes to 1 in 2 or 3 re pics, and is 1 in 1.x or even 1.0x re text. so bear that in mind.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 22:07 trinque: I meanwhile offered a couple hundred bucks to just get a current build of the software, because I had no interest in the ONE TRUE lenovo turd or w/e he'd selected.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-08-31 03:41:37: <rinzler> hi, i'm having a bit of a problem completing the installation process on ubuntu 14.04. For some reason I'm getting error that suggest the CRYSTAL environment variable is not set, when it is.
trinque may use standard hardware when it means "all carved from diamond by the gods" and not "all haz teh same aids"
mircea_popescu: media buying. apple survived by being a judicious media buying company.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: afaik the only known case of "positive roi from this activity over any kind of interval". otherwise sorta "pick pennies in front of steamroller" activity, countless trillions were wasted to date in the attempt.
trinque: asciilifeform: didn't I say as much?
trinque: wasn't it lenovo that shipped some backdoor, publically shamed
trinque: sure, we don't disagree at all.
trinque: nor to publish a list and say "ohai NSA, here's the list of hardware we all chose from your catalog" eh?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 22:37 mircea_popescu: media buying. apple survived by being a judicious media buying company.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 22:26 asciilifeform: phf: at some point ( and by this i mean when finished ffa / released 'p' ... ) i'ma have a large board made, with, say, 8 ice40-8k's, and row of dimm-holders...
trinque has a keybinding to unbind :p
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-08-31 03:41:37: <rinzler> hi, i'm having a bit of a problem completing the installation process on ubuntu 14.04. For some reason I'm getting error that suggest the CRYSTAL environment variable is not set, when it is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform macintosh was showing the same steve jobs signature "actual positive roi media buying".
mircea_popescu: people keep thinking woz was "the man behind". the sort of people who like to think that and therefore do are also the sort of people who never get anywhere "for no fault of their own".
mircea_popescu: anwyay, my point being that wozniak was not the larger part of a woz-jobs team.
mircea_popescu: which is why jobs belongs buried next to ogilvy not next to naggum
shinohai: ^ generated by python, no less
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