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mircea_popescu: outlyers are interesting. i find an `overcompetent:http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ teenager appealing just as i find an `oversubmissive:http://trilema.com/2017/little-miss-pretty/#selection-247.0-251.710 `overinnocent lawyer appealing.
mircea_popescu: how about this format re `tagging:http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719766 ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 19:52 mircea_popescu: so what is the idea here, if i wish to review the state of this, other than asking you, i could also what ? !#s ffa ?
mircea_popescu: i confess i tried to introduce `tickmarks into my process as such, but it ends up ~looking~ fucking retarded. i'm not even know if it just looks that way but isn't, or actually is. huge inertia against it though. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: however, as a chat anchoring convention i could actually get myself to do it, as that's 99% of what i wish i could do and currently can't, frustrates me once a week with some regularity.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723086 << pretty epic, wall mounted plasma went blank for 10 seconds, castle of frankenstein styles over here. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-08 21:49 shinohai: "Hey MP, this is Thor .... what's shakin?"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723088 << the stan-advantage is that you can get anything if you want to. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-08 22:13 asciilifeform: they still got'em in mircea_popescustan?!
asciilifeform: iirc we found that every other char's been clobbered to death already
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723104 << ahahah! i really enjoy these apeloyee-alf discussions, for the record. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-08 23:19 asciilifeform: now, good noose is that it in fact worx...
asciilifeform: and would need a 'year 0' where old logs before time T dun get parsed by tagfinder
mircea_popescu: somehow he manages to need much much less hammer to hammer in a point, for which i confess to admiring the man.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe we can push a year 0 on the misfortunate kind hearts trying to follow this evolvospec.
mircea_popescu: if the argument's good enough, at any rate.
asciilifeform has nothing against backtick
mircea_popescu: evolvospec, for the record, is not a spec, exactly in the manner a bad girl may be great fun to be with but notrly a wife.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the more complex construction, `tag:url
asciilifeform: what's that do
mircea_popescu: gets point of reference baked in into tags ; gives me an incentive to even tagmark in the first place.
asciilifeform: aah as in old l0gz
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
asciilifeform: well items that already happened, gotta be tagged
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to, can.
asciilifeform: but i'd rather see a cleaner method where it happens via the usual phf backarrow ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i imagine the sane way to represent "outlyers are interesting. i find an `overcompetent:http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ teenager appealing just as i find an `oversubmissive:http://trilema.com/2017/little-miss-pretty/#selection-247.0-251.710 `overinnocent lawyer appealing." in html is via the usual anchor mechanism, as "outlyers are interesting. i find an <a href=http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/>overcompetent</a> teen
mircea_popescu: ager appealing just as i find an <a href=http://trilema.com/2017/little-miss-pretty/#selection-247.0-251.710>oversubmissive</a> overinnocent lawyer appealing."
asciilifeform: urls get cut off
asciilifeform: there will be ugh
mircea_popescu: logotron can parse them into sense, at a further cost.
asciilifeform: parse a cut off url ?!
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: pray tell mr babbage...
mircea_popescu: looks for next space.
asciilifeform: still ugg
mircea_popescu: "further cost" aye.
asciilifeform: why not tag the urls the clean way
mircea_popescu: in chat ?
mircea_popescu: or what is "the clean way" here
asciilifeform: i'll demonstrate:
asciilifeform: `overcompetent http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458568 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 16:36 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ << surprisingly, in english no less !
mircea_popescu: how is this cleanner ? same thing, but instead of : you used space.
asciilifeform: ( ideally you would do it to first pop of something )
asciilifeform: cleaner because done ONCE
mircea_popescu: who's gonna enforce the onceness.
asciilifeform: it never has to be done again
mircea_popescu: it never has to be done again whether done by ":" or by " " lol
asciilifeform: the url is now head of the list of what comes out when you click 'overcompetent' in logview
mircea_popescu: reason i prefer the `tag:url format to the `tag url format is that space is too syntactically meaningful.
asciilifeform: ah so yours was also a onetime command ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how logotrons use this raw info is left to operator tbh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not specifically. could be.
asciilifeform: because imho urls in speech are ugh.
asciilifeform: gotta be an exceptional thing
mircea_popescu: or else you know, in other `sluts:http://78.media.tumblr.com/8292708d5f10c32dd03e840cbf38b52f/tumblr_msoh7wWpev1snc48co1_400.gif
asciilifeform: i also favour postfixation for this
mircea_popescu: how's that ?
asciilifeform: http://78.media.tumblr.com/8292708d5f10c32dd03e840cbf38b52f/tumblr_msoh7wWpev1snc48co1_400.gif `sluts
asciilifeform: though could work both ways, no prob
mircea_popescu: this sgml corp deliberation ended up inconclusive.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: experience convinces me that anchor-first is correct way and the url-first html spec a kludge./
asciilifeform: why not the simplest variant : `foo adds this line to the tagset.
asciilifeform: of foo
asciilifeform: `sluts - of sluts
mircea_popescu: because if i don't have the liberty to overload an url i can find no incentive to ever tickmark.
asciilifeform: you do though, just put this url in a `foo line .
asciilifeform: no real need to parse the urls or define how they are to be eaten.
mircea_popescu: and if it gets cut, the logparser sure as fuck has no way to fix it now.
asciilifeform: you do it again, and corrected version gets in the tagset.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, wikipedia : "Erik Naggum (June 13, 1965 – June 17, 2009) was a Norwegian computer programmer recognized for his work in the fields of SGML, Emacs and Lisp. Since the early 1990s he was also a provocative participant on various Usenet discussion groups.[1]" << accidental hit of the consensus process, because "provocative" seemed both sufficiently insulting to the idiots and actually flattering to the fanbois.
asciilifeform: poor dead d00d defenseless before pediwikirasty
mircea_popescu: well... he was "provocative". fine example of consensus-building word in world of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722690 because it's "bad" to one group and "good" to the oither so it all works out. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-08 15:49 mircea_popescu: (because of reasons discussed in http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-ideal-social-systems-reprint/ socialisms can't have categorical terms, defined in the normal manner, but must always include the ethical color of all words in the words. so "movement" becomes either provocation (bad) or progres (good) and so following for everything, stalin's cup is named by a different cupword than hitler's self-same identical cup)
mircea_popescu: i suspect chinese has a helluva lot of these.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/ErikNaggum_LUGM98_DKL.jpg << berkley back when it could afford actual plates. a short 30 years ago, at that!
asciilifeform: they tend more to 'grass mud horse'
asciilifeform: !#s grass mud horse
a111: 1 result for "grass mud horse", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=grass%20mud%20horse
asciilifeform: hm.
asciilifeform: !~google grass mud horse
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Grass Mud Horse - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grass_Mud_Horse>; Grass - mud horse - China Digital Space: <https://chinadigitaltimes.net/space/Grass-mud_horse>; Song of the Grass - Mud Horse (Cao Ni Ma) - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DwKx1aenJK08>
asciilifeform: hm.
mircea_popescu: lmao!
asciilifeform: ^ typical modern chinesism
asciilifeform: recall ye olde wax tadpole.
mircea_popescu: dude this shit is intricate.
asciilifeform: but otoh i have nfi what cn limba de lemn looks like.
mircea_popescu likes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "wears three wristwatches"
asciilifeform: el tic, eu tac
asciilifeform: or how it went.
mircea_popescu: lol. totally.
mircea_popescu: it's really hard not to like the chinese, try as one might.
mircea_popescu: !~google "green dam youth escort"
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Green Dam Youth Escort - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dam_Youth_Escort>; China's Green Dam : The Implications of Government Control ...: <https://opennet.net/chinas-green-dam-the-implications-government-control-encroaching-home-pc>; China's " Green Dam Youth Escort " Software - CircleID: <http://www.circleid.com/posts/20090608_chinas_green_dam_youth_escort_software/
mircea_popescu: fancy that wonder lmao, mandatory windows service pack.
asciilifeform: lol re the pig ban
mircea_popescu: "protector" of youth that sees no problem as long as the cumguzzler is black etc.
asciilifeform: ( in pediwik link , example of 'porn' censored , sty of pig )
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: finest american tech
mircea_popescu: afaik it was made by little yellow men.
mircea_popescu: it does have a little yellow pig-thing stamp for cuteness.
asciilifeform: pioneered by the fat white men
asciilifeform: 1990s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shit, you're in there!
asciilifeform: waaiwat
asciilifeform: the pigs?!
mircea_popescu: Datskovskiy, Stanislav (29 June 2010). "The Wisdom of Erik Naggum". Loper OS (blog).
asciilifeform: lollomatic
mircea_popescu: the pigs, lol.
mircea_popescu: http://mailman.gramstad.no/mailman/listinfo/enag-mausoleum of possible interests.
asciilifeform: i linked to it iirc
mircea_popescu: ah ok. i missed.
mircea_popescu: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!banned/topic/comp.text.sgml/LWMT9ibAoDQ << google ai has in its wisdom replaced all of comp.text.sgml with a warning.
mircea_popescu: with people this smart, who can wonder why the united states is the foremost leader of the world!
asciilifeform: looks to be members only nao
asciilifeform: wants pw
mircea_popescu: "continue" just redirects me to the original url.
mircea_popescu: post a "loading" overlay.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'groups' bit it years ago
mircea_popescu: hey, wikipedia (that bit it recently) still links them.
asciilifeform: concrete articles show up, on a good day. by-group, or text srch, or date -- none
asciilifeform: btw this imho was not accidental, various 'yarvins' ( incl. the original, who confessed to being part of this set ) want to bury their usenet past , 'unseemly'
mircea_popescu shrugs.
mircea_popescu: let them. contrary to what they may think, success is actually a liability.
asciilifeform: howsthat
mircea_popescu: "SGML is a good idea when the markup overhead is less than 2%." << holy shit check him out. that's... a lot narrower than i'd have guessed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dja know that koan with the two monks, meeting a woman at a bridge ? "please, one of you, fuck me! fuck me!" she says. one of them recoils in disgust, the other fucks her, then they continue over the bridge.
mircea_popescu: eventually they stop somewhere for the night, and in the wee hours of the morning monk goes and shakes the other awake. "brother... that woman... how could you fuck her ?"
mircea_popescu: "brother... i left her at the bridge. why are you still carrying her ?"
asciilifeform: lolk
mircea_popescu: dao wilde.
asciilifeform: [insert the typical demise of `usenet thread here...]
mircea_popescu: "One has to marvel at the wide acceptance of our existing punctuation marks and the sociology of their acceptance." << hm. naggum doesn't actually have the ability to understand things he didn't set himself deliberately to work at understanding, does he ?
mircea_popescu: (sauce is http://www.schnada.de/grapt/eriknaggum-xmlrant.html a particularly poorly/amusinglyt supported broadly correcy but shockingly idiotic in particulars rant)
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4612.17, vol: 9972.22002248 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4619.6, vol: 28296.13901936 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4240.5948, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4614.2, vol: 4197.98671649 | Volume-weighted last average: 4617.32142572
BingoBoingo: Oh my, this crash is tickling the margin of error to the last all time high
BingoBoingo: And from the sports desk, Mike Pence: "I left today's Colts game because @POTUS and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what
mircea_popescu: dude didn't do the "proper" ustard gymnastics or what was it ?
BingoBoingo: Oh, the sportsball players didn't stand for the song of country before game in protest of "Police r mean to us black folk" as they had been for the last couple weeks. Mike Pence went to game and left before it started.
mircea_popescu: world went to shit, i started leaving more often than staying through sometime in i dunno, 2006 ?
BingoBoingo: But this isn't Pence pretending to know to ape after you leaving. This is Pence being the ape following ordinary sportball watching Trump voters leaving.
mircea_popescu suspects the "sports" entertainment franchises won't weather the anti-pantsuit strom any better than dnc did.
BingoBoingo: The bulk of their fanbase is anti pantsuit.
mircea_popescu: iirc, they've all been struggling for economic relevancy in the past decade, if this even vaguely proves itself as a mass movement the whole shitshow's canned overnight.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck even cares about "sports" anymore, and why would they.
BingoBoingo: This sportball was the financially healthiest reaping all the ad money, but... On the strength of marketing to Texas and the south.
BingoBoingo: The pantsuit states aleady tuned out of sportsball because "concussions" and "mean"
mircea_popescu: in which case, i suspect federation rules requiring all black players wear a yellow star and apologize for being there before every game have even odds next year.
mircea_popescu: trump certainly picked the right "issue" though.
BingoBoingo: Lol, in this sportsball most of the players ARE black
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: most of the dollars--are green.
BingoBoingo: The league is a bureacracy
BingoBoingo: The commisioner a bureaucrat.
mircea_popescu: much much more vulnerable to trump than the liberal "endowments" ie hedge funds masquerading as universities.
BingoBoingo: AHA, and it doesn't help that sportball season overlaps the calendar with sportspuck season.
BingoBoingo: Which gives the bored beer drinking crowd an alternative noise to drink to
BingoBoingo predicts pantsuit attacks on sportspuck because racist by the end of November
mircea_popescu: oya.
mircea_popescu: spyked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWJAZg4dAlo had me in stitches over some new year's, but i suspect entirely untranslatable. ☟︎
mats: http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/08/world/us-turkey-halt-visa-service/index.html
mircea_popescu: this is going well...
mircea_popescu: here's one for BingoBoingo http://www.beatmort.ro/aberatii/jokes.php
BingoBoingo: lol, that's a well circulated copypasta
mircea_popescu: my first time.
BingoBoingo: And yet I re-read
asciilifeform saw these on bbsen in '90s
mircea_popescu: pretty much where this is from im sure.
asciilifeform: whenever i see 'pontiac' auto, i think of this .txt, having literally NO other context for it
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: is it weird that there's no women in the list ? just jew nigger mexican ?
asciilifeform: that was separate .txt
mircea_popescu: something happened between the 1980s and the 2010s didn't it.
asciilifeform: '... snail trail!' etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was that separate .txt something re wives ?
asciilifeform: various
asciilifeform: 'how do you know that devil exists?' 'woman's head not flat, cannot hold cup', etc
mircea_popescu: "when my wife saw how many bottles of wine i bought for new year's, she bid me take them to the bathroom and dump them down the drain. i did as she said, because the wife is that person one shares with all life's happiness and unhappines. and sadness. and misfortune. and catastrophe. and all other disasters that wouldn't have happened had one not married." ☟︎
asciilifeform: bawatt
mircea_popescu: from the above linked malaele piece.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/ballad/ << Trilema - Ballad...
ben_vulpes: apparently it is bad manners to bother chinese people about business during the mid-autumn festival
mircea_popescu: the who now ?
mircea_popescu: oh the mooncake thing.
ben_vulpes: (apropos of nothing)
mircea_popescu: i thought that was last week
ben_vulpes: mhm
mircea_popescu: it's some dating thing.
ben_vulpes: i have no firsthand idea, but i got the impression the party was for an entire week and nobody was going to be interested in hearing from auslanders for the duration.
mircea_popescu: earlier today i heard from soem guy complaining about "how his job sucks", because he got moved to a new projkect for 3rd time past month, and it's such a waste because now he has to reload whatever. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and i was thinking "they moved YOU. why are you thinking in terms of the company/job/whatever ?"
ben_vulpes: as opposed to?
mircea_popescu: as opposed to "i suck so much, they keep bumping me to various projects"
ben_vulpes: does the dude have otherwise spot-on analyses of his weaknesses and folks' opionions of him?
mircea_popescu: in other words : if small yellow guy dun wanna be disturbed, it's possibly not because last week's festival.
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes winces at the self-crit
mircea_popescu: i've no idea man, i'm just thinking outloud.
mircea_popescu: as phf says, "from first principles".
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/republican-flight-manual/ << Trilema - Republican Flight Manual
davout: "A superior pilot uses his superior judgment to avoid situations which require the use of his superior skill."
davout: would the republic be interdasted in colocating boxes in central african republic? ☟︎
davout: former customer of mine is apparently in the process of putting together a DC there
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1723083 <-- this is a sad truth, also at individual level. incidentally makes very easy to sift through the chaff of non-thinking ppl. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-08 21:25 mircea_popescu: they adhere to anything.
spyked: btw, the recent discussions re schengen are lulzy (basically a rehash of the old ones, plus-minus the talks about "refugees" etc.). which brings back that old piece http://trilema.com/2013/no-seriously-not-much-of-a-priority-anymore/
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723282 <-- spyked puts this on the list; http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723300 <-- pretty good, but the gestures, still untranslatable. are there any good anglo comedians who can do a drunk these days? ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 04:42 mircea_popescu: spyked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWJAZg4dAlo had me in stitches over some new year's, but i suspect entirely untranslatable.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 05:01 mircea_popescu: "when my wife saw how many bottles of wine i bought for new year's, she bid me take them to the bathroom and dump them down the drain. i did as she said, because the wife is that person one shares with all life's happiness and unhappines. and sadness. and misfortune. and catastrophe. and all other disasters that wouldn't have happened had one not married."
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680305 << https://www.wired.com/1996/05/gassee/ a '96 wired article about bebox (but more so about Be head, Gassée), the article is framed by a gratuitous road trip from palo alto to black rock desert (i.e. burning man site) hot springs ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 23:52 phf: mondo 2000, the proto valley crowd, i think we had the thread. basically, jwz.
phf: should've added `entomology tag
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723141 << fwiw arrows were emergent, from an already well established at the time convention. but i agree with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723119 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 02:14 asciilifeform: but i'd rather see a cleaner method where it happens via the usual phf backarrow
a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 02:03 mircea_popescu: i confess i tried to introduce `tickmarks into my process as such, but it ends up ~looking~ fucking retarded. i'm not even know if it just looks that way but isn't, or actually is. huge inertia against it though.
shinohai: In whitewashing news: http://archive.is/TPytX
BingoBoingo: <davout> former customer of mine is apparently in the process of putting together a DC there << What would international connectivity be like? Would it be a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721926 (datacenter in vietnam) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 19:38 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> poorly porous to us, but theoretically even moar so to pantsuit << Appeal of jungle is non-interference in white man's affairs. Downside is shifting past marketing speak to discover "1GBP/s unmetered (30Mb/s international)"
BingoBoingo: spyked: The Anglo Comedian's guild banned humour. For laffs you need to consult foreigners and scabs
spyked: heh. good thing we have them to survive the humourpocalypse. :D ftr, there is ro equivalent for this, under the popular term "glume de autobaza" ("depot jokes")
mod6: mornin', finally caught up on yesterday's megal0g
mircea_popescu: davout yes.
mircea_popescu: spyked silviu gherman could do it, if anyone ever told him to. and by told i mean a certain thing, which brings us right back to "cow's milk will be wasted without management with enough sense to milk it"
mircea_popescu: he's perhaps the best example in this vein, even if not as well known as say MGM cartoon division.
spyked: mircea_popescu, will drop him a line when I have some text to show him (will ofcourse ask for your gracious feedback first)
mircea_popescu: if anyone managed to forgot just what a midget assgirl is, https://static3.mansionglobal.com/production/media/article-images/38367d66455c44d0c18fa3cf29c8e834/large_tay.jpg
spyked: meanwhile, lulz: http://teleschpenker.com/teleschpenker/contact/ diff(displayed addr, linked addr) is one letter (I wonder if this was intentional)
mircea_popescu: teleschpenker lol
mircea_popescu: spyked well, cc for ssafety lol
mircea_popescu: spyked also http://trilema.com/2012/despre-cum-silviu-gherman-ruleaza-si-alte-cacaturi-irelevante-pe-care-le-tot-adaug-eu-in-articole-cit-si-mai-ales-in-titluri-ca-sa-nu-se-poata-citi-nimic-de-catre-nimeni/#comment-84669 ftr.
mircea_popescu: phf it's good that wired uses https to protect its readers. for instance it protected me from reading or archiving it, which i estimate to be a value add. ☟︎
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the world of brittardation lulz: https://archive.is/bkkm7 >> 'Home Secretary Amber Rudd will say those found guilty of repeatedly viewing terrorist material could face up to 15 years in jail. The new law will extend an existing ban on downloading and possessing the content on a PC to repeatedly watching it through sites like YouTube. Ms Rudd said: “I want to make sure those who view despicable terrorist content online
asciilifeform: including jihadi websites, far-right propaganda and bomb-making instructions face the full force of the law.'
spyked: mircea_popescu, re comment, had no idea this happened. I'll admit I haven't followed him (digested a few, such as the "ma fut in ea de ploaie" piece), so will review.
mircea_popescu: the brits are pretty lulzy with their statist hallucinations aren't they.
mircea_popescu: spyked trilema stands far outside the following abilities of any single man! but yes, we eknow each other for years nao.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in very other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/hIp2p/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: ftr : the "bus depot jokes" are not an equivalent here. they are crass, which is to say employ a certain drastic sort of romanian. but otherwise "balada pizdei" was written by topirceanu, "povestea pulii" by creanga, these are all "intellectuals" ie of the literary canon.
spyked: yeh, this was re. scabs
mircea_popescu: romania never actually had a guild in the sense seen now in the us ; not even during the ceausescu times.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahahaha /29 Subnets ?! what the fguck is wrong with these people. the dead dulap had a c block. the dead other server idem. what the fuck already.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the custom in india appears to be 'death by nickel and dime', 'here's a toilet, if you want paper that's extra'
mircea_popescu: also, hostdime is not on the list.
mircea_popescu: orlando, florida co. and exactly biofilm not dc, as a separate concern.
asciilifeform: it was example of what's come back so far. all liquishit.
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: possibly it is not even possible to drill through the biofilm without a wot in.
mircea_popescu: failure is not a possible end result here.
asciilifeform: continued iteration is the result.
mircea_popescu: but for the record, the notion of "a full rack" WITHOUT a c block is laughable.
asciilifeform: is ip space scarce in orcistans ?
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: also there's no "global warming" happening in orcistan, and also pedophiles didn't suddely become interested in highschoolers.
asciilifeform: then 'oh hey foreign rube, we can chisel!' ?
mircea_popescu: also there's not a huge crime rate driving "inseguridad", also there's absolutely no market for uber, and so fucking following.
trinque: > indian
trinque: asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: they spend too much time on curated usgardens.
asciilifeform: trinque: subj was indeed an item from india.
trinque: folks like to haggle
asciilifeform: trinque: 'biofilm' however does not haggle
asciilifeform: it offers the crud it got via mothership, for no less a price than what mothership prescribed
mircea_popescu: um.
mircea_popescu: it's biofilm not steel plating.
mircea_popescu: "an architect is someone who wasn't man enough to get an engineering degree, but also not gay enough to go into fashion design."
mircea_popescu: "a boyscout is a kid dressed like an idiot under the orders of an idiot dressed like a child."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly india co having no advertised u.s. presence is apparently a rarity
asciilifeform: ( at least per asciilifeform's detective work thus far )
mircea_popescu: well, if your detective work occurs in the us advertising market...
asciilifeform: lolwat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a trivial case where the observed property would be necessariyl true, what.
mircea_popescu: same discussion as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723312 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 07:02 mircea_popescu: earlier today i heard from soem guy complaining about "how his job sucks", because he got moved to a new projkect for 3rd time past month, and it's such a waste because now he has to reload whatever.
asciilifeform: yeayea everybody in mircea_popescu's eyes is reddit until proven innocent
mircea_popescu: what'd you want me to say!
asciilifeform: hey at one time asciilifeform was a stereotypical 'HAVE you tried PLUGGING it IN ?!' sysop. and it was most of the time... the correct answer
mircea_popescu: happens to me to this day. drives teh girls up the wall in angry shame, but i dun hold it against them.
mircea_popescu: "a software engineer is the person solving a problem you didn't know you had in a manner you don't understand."
asciilifeform: nah
asciilifeform: ...failing to solve...
asciilifeform: is the correct version.
mircea_popescu: quite on point, let me tell you about this "threading" model minigame is currently battling with.
mircea_popescu: so, idiots made "threads" because hey, they read on expert-sex-change that threads are better. the server thereby has a networking thread, an event manager thread, and a db thread.
asciilifeform: ugh sounds like trb
mircea_popescu: a) none of these are respawned if killed ; b) all of these die within the second if any dies ; c) none of these are capable to multispawn under load.
asciilifeform: ahhahaha exactlylike trb
mircea_popescu: so basically they made a thread to "replace" the work the os does with the tcp stack, for instance.
mircea_popescu: which is ~safe, because the os doesn't need help anyway.
asciilifeform: like trb! ( but i'ma not repeat, because at this point everybody knows )
mircea_popescu: i am vaguely amazed they don't have a "special" thread to handle what x does anyway, ie kbd buffering./
asciilifeform: wait that wasn't what was meant by 'events thread' ??
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just can't grasp wtf is going on in the rakim skulls.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the main program loop, basically.
asciilifeform: btw what is the subj ? the qt-like 'swiss army knife' lib used by eulora ?
mircea_popescu: well, that and its interaction with legacy code.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is this what the eulora folx spend most of their time on?? fighting with eldrich horror graphics lib?!
mircea_popescu: why would anyone think this is what threads are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not merely graphics lib. does ~everything except the actual game mechanics.
asciilifeform: aah so 'a qt'
mircea_popescu: but yes, it's roughly the equivalent of "oh, you want to have your monitor display your wedding pics correctly ? guess who's rewriting linux."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just about.
asciilifeform: re 'why would anyone think to use threads' -- this is not mega-puzzle. naggum described similar situation in the bulldozer essay. imbecile sees an obstacle, reaches for the most obvious available power tool that seems to push aside the obstacle; without giving half a shit what's behind it, woods, swamp, mountain, or where the earth he pushed aside will go, and how it might interact with him later, etc
mircea_popescu: yes, but rather than have an a-b-c threaded thing where if b dies a immediately follows, you might as well have a cleanner and neater abc.
mircea_popescu: and shorter and more maintainable and everything else.
asciilifeform: in this case the obstacle was, likely, 'operation that crashes the proggy'. to imbecile such as shitoshi, the answer is naturally 'put it in infinitely respawning thread'
mircea_popescu: who the fuck approves "threading" to not do threading with.
asciilifeform: thread likewise seems like 'answer' to 'this operation can block'
mircea_popescu: so they didn't have queues where they grew up ?
asciilifeform: see also canonical http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the perceived liberty to tinker!
mircea_popescu: "my twiddling the value knob is how you do science!"
mircea_popescu: evidently the principal value of engineer school is to teach the veal where he hasn't the fucking liberty to tinker -- which is ALMOST EVERYWHERE.
asciilifeform: what's the reason to think any of the culprits had any schooling ?
mircea_popescu: cuz they're euro twerps.
mircea_popescu: it's more likely they had schooling than it is they had food.
mircea_popescu: for maximum lulz : http://trilema.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/ was at some unclear point and in some unclear capacity to some degree involved!
mircea_popescu: and to preempt the "why are you using this" naive question : it is BY FAR, in its sorry state significantly worse than described and likely worse than couldf be described, STILL and BY VERY FAR way the4 fuck better than anything else out there.
mircea_popescu: look into fucking unity, for one.
asciilifeform: the derp who 'i am an orc and tinker because what else' and 'i am a phd and tinker because i am god and bow to me, peons' converge to very similar result, sorta like the new world and old world vulture are unrelated birds but look quite alike and have same diet and habits
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is the domain in question specifically 'public 3d engine libs' ?
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: the domain in question is "game libs which i can control"
asciilifeform: 'unity' dun look like a 'can control'
mircea_popescu: nothing does, because all the `dumb:http://trilema.com/2017/friday-night-or-las-moiras-revisited/ cunts think themselves emancipated now and why sould they take orders!! from anyone!!!1
mircea_popescu: meanwhile why the fuck would i build on the insanity of uncontrolled basis.
mircea_popescu: "oh we updated, deprecating feature x" ? seriously ?
asciilifeform: seems almost like it'd be worth the expense to make own.
asciilifeform: ( from my admittedly distant perch )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is exactly what this is. we're making own by eating away the dumbass snail at ant's pace.
mircea_popescu: s.mg is manned by termites, basically.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it working as intended, or is the result trb-like ( 'life support patient' ) ?
mircea_popescu: it's working pretty well, at significant engineeer-hours expense.
asciilifeform: the picture mircea_popescu described is imho typical
mircea_popescu: kinda why i took the trouble. it is exactly the picture afaik.
asciilifeform: it is exactly what i found when i cut open prb5.3; and gpg; etc
mircea_popescu: so no -- the "bazaar" does NOT fucking work. not in the slightest bit, not at all whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: and in fact the term is deeply descriptive. the result of the approach is very strictly an open defecation field with some colorful plastic affixed to randomly distributed, rotting wood poles.
mircea_popescu: and the fact that conclaves of idiots and imbeciles, however you label them, wired and wikipedia and etcetera won't gush about how "mp is famous about writing the definitive work on "bazaar" style development" is simply an argument here, and no further consideration.
mircea_popescu: i remember very clearly who i am, and for very good reasons can't recall that schmuck whatever his name was.
mircea_popescu: phf you never commented on how dumb/palatable the `tag:url thing is to your eye.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/6Snbe << meanwhile, in the land of the homebrew caesar cipher experts and nsa provocateurs : 'A dizzying number of companies offer these sorts of phones all across the world: Phantom, Global Data, Encrochat, Secure Mobile, PublicPGP, PGPClass, Elite, Fortis Iceland PGP, and many more.'
asciilifeform: 'In Manupassa’s case, after Dutch authorities seized Ennetcom’s servers they pushed a message out to all of the firm’s phones: if you’re, say, a doctor, lawyer, or other non-criminal user of the devices, please get in touch. No one responded to the message, even though, according to court records, Ennetcom had some 20,000 users.' << sooo precious
mircea_popescu: lol this is proof that users are not jew-eligible for jew-marriage with the "criminology phds" over at "dutch authorities" ?
mircea_popescu: "they said there'd be doctors here!!11"
asciilifeform: reminiscent of the 'private internet access' scamola, but for higher-budget chumpers
mircea_popescu: i don't comprehend what the "seizing of server" did for a pgp phone service.
asciilifeform: 'pgp'
mircea_popescu: phuctor got seized and so what ? nobody messaged me to ask if i'm a doctor.
asciilifeform: in so far as i can tell, none of these items have anything to do with even kochian pgp
asciilifeform: they're exactly 'private internet access co'
mircea_popescu: except for the one that does, but a) is too ineptly proud to be here and b) nobody can possibly hear about him through the biofilm before he gets dooglus 'd out of the market.
asciilifeform: i too would like to meet the d00d who , e.g., wrote nonleaking realtime rsa , made a modem around it, made own FG, etc
mircea_popescu: ikr
mircea_popescu: EVEN IF IT WERE LEAKING.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't mind the dood who hacked off rsa from koch pgp and made a server that just passed encrypted comms. that's it.
mircea_popescu: just this kindergarten level bar, "the server held no plaintext whatsoever".
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's 'hacked off koch' has been sitting right there on www since 2015.
asciilifeform: who wants -- go, do
asciilifeform: 350k of txt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't clear to me for what a phone needs a server
mircea_popescu: i expect they use it for routing. nfi.
mircea_popescu: why do we use freenode rather than gossipd ?
asciilifeform: all it needs is a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687276 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 18:28 asciilifeform: the only quasi-reliable method ( 'udp hole punch' ), used by , e.g., 'skype', STILL requires a 3rd party non-natted box to broker the connection
mircea_popescu: well... you recall the convo. at the least you're using the ephemereal connectors as then discussed.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. for the nodes of the network to know at all times of at least 1 member among them who has external ip )
asciilifeform: point being, if you have a net made of gsm modems that can throw packets , you do not need a relay through which 'all calls' go - at all
asciilifeform: all you need is some way to help the nodes to open udp-hole to one another.
mircea_popescu: well, might want to get it anyway, fill hdd with naked pictures of the wives of "dutch authorities"
asciilifeform: this in point of fact is how 'skype' worked prior to microshit having swallowed it.
asciilifeform: ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. ) ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu recalls the convo!
asciilifeform: aite.
asciilifeform: ( imho word 'server' is inherently misleading in this domain; oughta call 'masters' and 'slaves' , the brokers and those relying on'em respectively )
mircea_popescu: "there will be a moscow exhibition of arts by over 100 sculptors and painters of the soviet republics. these were executed over the past five years."
asciilifeform: lolwat
asciilifeform: wunders of mistranslation?
mircea_popescu: yeah
asciilifeform: btw let's do the phone thing, briefly. a 4096b rsa modexp can carry 4096b , i.e. 512byte, of payload sans padding. let's conservatively suppose that padding ( and hash auth, or whatever, and/or lubyzation, etc ) costs half of the payload room. so you get 256 byte per 4096b modexp;
asciilifeform: there are voice compressions that give quite satisfactory speech with ~300 byte/sec bandwidth
asciilifeform: ... it follows that a 0.85sec 4096b modexp is all you need for a reasonable 'rsa phone' item. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( this is quite attainable using the ffa we have ~today~, supposing one allows karatsuba to split 3way on 3 cores of whatever chip you have )
asciilifeform: now if anybody still used phones...
asciilifeform: ( and yes a 0.85s item will have to buffer, and it will feel somewhat like talking to lunar base. so wat. )
asciilifeform: a clever buffering scheme would work mircea_popescu-style, by sending otp rngolade during idle pauses in conversation, and thereafter using.
mircea_popescu: there's no practical way to do rsa for realtime comms, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719192 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-01 20:57 mircea_popescu: not actually usable for eulora as such, is it.
mircea_popescu: so not really anything to do.
asciilifeform: um didja read above ?
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: so what's 'no practical' ?
mircea_popescu: projection is a function of EXTANT items and ONLY extant items. projections based on projections are called global warming science.
asciilifeform: above based on extant item.
mircea_popescu: notrly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's missing from your pov ?
mircea_popescu: the rsatron.
asciilifeform: modexp ~= rsatron ( there is also keygen, but from pov of gedankenexperiment re 'what bandwidth?' you dun need it )
asciilifeform: i'd concur with mircea_popescu that one ought not connect ffa to, e.g., icbm, until it comes with proofs for all of the components, etc. -- but we do have a working modexp, from which can extrapolate pessimal speed ( it will get faster, but let's assume for said calculation that it will not )
mircea_popescu: yeah well. there's no ~= in this arithmetic. if rsatron has been in production for a while and functioning correctly we can revisit these.
asciilifeform: how's it ever to 'in production' if mircea_popescu spits 'until in production' , lol
mircea_popescu: hm ?
trinque: simultaneously signaling "this is a prototype, will sever your limbs and fuck your wife" and "pls to use" aren't you?
trinque: there was a whole thing about pastebin snippets being fine because not ready for vpatch
asciilifeform: trinque: i won't recommend to take current ffa and put in battlefield . but proposed to calculate a bandwidth assuming current degree of ughslow
asciilifeform: strictly this.
mircea_popescu: no such thing is possible, for lack of... the item.
mircea_popescu: quantifying "a single aspect" of "how stewardess would look in airplane i've not yet bought" is no better than quantifying any other / all of them.
asciilifeform: i dun get why mircea_popescu equates the present situation with a complete lack of the item
mircea_popescu: because it's not had a significant history in production yet, which is what "item exists" means for the needs of future projection.
asciilifeform: what'd qualify as 'in production' ?
mircea_popescu: in fact, as trinque aptly points out, it's not even v'd yet, let alone reviewed yet, and so following.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that it's used by at least someone somewhere for a while. like eg, lobbes auction bot is in production.
mircea_popescu: trinque 's payment thing will have been in production soonish.
mircea_popescu: and so on.
asciilifeform: i wouldn't disagree if thread were re ~using~. but re calculating speed ?!
mircea_popescu: can not calculate anything on the basis of inexistent items.
asciilifeform: the supposition that ideally-correct ffa could possibly run slower than the current one (supposing these 2 differ) i see as quite fantastic.
mircea_popescu: and the people with the global warming see as quite fantastic all sorts of other theoretical contradictions of their theoretical models.
mircea_popescu: the problem with theoretical models based on projecting projections is that they're not even wrong.
asciilifeform straps on gask mask
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723353 << hur, well, i appreciated Beos at the time, it is sad to see now the kind of jokers worked on it then `everything-is-made-of-shit ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 15:11 mircea_popescu: phf it's good that wired uses https to protect its readers. for instance it protected me from reading or archiving it, which i estimate to be a value add.
asciilifeform: phf: it was imho nifty. but ditching the 'own hardware, x86 can fuck itself' thing was , i suspect, the fatal mistake
asciilifeform: just as similar move doomed crapple
asciilifeform: microshit-intel collusion killed os/2 already when be opened -- why did be suppose it would be exempt ?
asciilifeform: from same death
phf: i suppose the article indirectly answers, presents the kind of mindset
phf: the guy incidentally went through a bunch of interesting but failed enterprises. e.g. he worked on palm one on the downswing, later was hired as a high profile consultant by nokia, told them to ditch symbian and replace it with android.
phf: in completely unrelated lulz i found v0.01 of btcbase http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Drqc8/?raw=true
asciilifeform: suggests that 'be' was interesting in spite of, rather than because of, him
asciilifeform: phf: lol!
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy
phf: still works!
mircea_popescu: agaga nb.
asciilifeform: if we're doing oldies... :
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c9Wlf/?raw=true << orig. phuctor. http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/UYgmR/?raw=true << werker of same
phf: asciilifeform: i think i have a C version of worker somewhere, that you posted when you were having issues with sqlite
asciilifeform: phf: i dun think i ever posted the modern ( bernsteinian ) one.
phf: yeah, i think that c version predates bernstein
asciilifeform: anyway the above was written in a few hrs. and it is not difficult to see why thrown out.
asciilifeform: but note that it does not in principle differ from the version that found the first pops.
asciilifeform: phf: the bernsteinian 'werker' is also c proggy. ( phuctor , in all 4 versions to date, consisted of 2 pieces, running wholly separately )
phf nods
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/why-did-the-chicken-cross-the-road/ << Trilema - Why did the chicken cross the road ?
asciilifeform: mega-piece ^
mod6: wd
mircea_popescu: ah, you enjoyed ?
mircea_popescu: glad to hear, was thinking it's getting tedious after a while.
mod6: i liked, ya
mircea_popescu: the problem with these is that you can in principle keep going forever.
hanbot: mircea_popescu it makes a neat catalogue for picking something to read. like every other article, i suppose, but in a different format. ;)
mircea_popescu: ha!
mod6: mircea_popescu: aha, but for now, this one suffices.
BingoBoingo: Lol @Brauchian Chicken/road/God unity, as the lensgrinder intended
asciilifeform: in other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/p5TKr/?raw=true
asciilifeform: ^ constant spacetime bitness finder , similar to apeloyee's
asciilifeform: ( similar in that it does the thing described in the pseudo - https://archive.is/2zA45 )
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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