mircea_popescu: sux
mircea_popescu: 'Perhaps the best example of claiming credit for a problem that did not exist before is the marine chronometer. The marine chronometer enthusiasts claim it solved the “timing at sea” problem. Two men attempting to meat in front of Saint Paul's need to agree on a time of day, so how do you provide time for a ship at sea ? Very simple, you do not send out ships without a timetelling oracle onboard.'
mircea_popescu: babbage sleeps happily in his grave, serene in the empirical knowledge that the anglotards of today are just as fucked in the head as the anglotards of his day.
phf: wut is this even
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679531☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 01:49 asciilifeform: 'Perhaps the best example of claiming credit for a problem that did not exist before is Bitcoin. Bitcoin enthusiasts claim it solved the “double spend” problem. A music MP3 can be copied multiple times so how do you stop digital money being spent multiple times? Very simple, you do not create a form of money that lacks a central authority.' << ahahhahaha
mircea_popescu: "very simple -- you reach backwards through time and jack your dad off!"
phf: aaah
phf: crafty, got a rise out of me!
mircea_popescu: :p
mircea_popescu: this is by no means singular derapage of one stray goat, either. "how do you check the correctness of a program ?" "very simple -- first, you build an universal corectness checker. then, you feed it your problem. done!"
mircea_popescu: cuz you know, dollars don't lack a central authority. somehow. because if we lalalala really hard pantsuit hilarity losing the elections didn't happen and totally the fed is in control of shit.
mircea_popescu: do they serve the two pump hurr durr mocha latte yet or still working on it ?
erlehmann: i wonder what “simple” in that sentence would mean. short? or “i have a beautiful solution but it does not fit into the margin of this input field”?
mircea_popescu: !~google site:trilema.com simple english
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: that's because you're retarded, dear google.
erlehmann: i remember reading an article about the trisectors
erlehmann: http://web.mst.edu/~lmhall/WhatToDoWhenTrisectorComes.pdf
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/there-has-not-yet-been-seen-a-simple-thing-even-if-were-drowning-in-simple-people/
asciilifeform: the ' trisectors' piece is hilarious, erlehmann
asciilifeform: pure gold
mircea_popescu: is it the u dudley piece ?
erlehmann: y
erlehmann: > the author has never made a study of these branches of learning
erlehmann: i guess trisectorball cannot into hilbert space
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1679792 >> moar closely, oughta be '...simply do not send out ships out of sight of a clock tower!1'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 00:50 mircea_popescu: 'Perhaps the best example of claiming credit for a problem that did not exist before is the marine chronometer. The marine chronometer enthusiasts claim it solved the “timing at sea” problem. Two men attempting to meat in front of Saint Paul's need to agree on a time of day, so how do you provide time for a ship at sea ? Very simple, you do not send out ships without a timetelling oracle onboard.'
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: cuz now you've built a different kind of ship
asciilifeform: ( laugh, but the brit royal society considered this... floating towers , cannon signals etc )
mircea_popescu: (clock towers -- notoriously innacurate, closer to billboards than to quartz watches)
mircea_popescu: moreover, the "central authority" bullshit is LITERALLY and quite exactly "time telling oracle"
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as central authority, nor ever was. nor could ever be.
mircea_popescu: people pretending otherwise are pretending otherwise, like the girlies trying to get a husband by staring.\
asciilifeform: did the usg.ntp people ever get a signed version going, i wonder
asciilifeform: prolly closest stab
asciilifeform: ( iirc they do finally have a signed private gps band )
asciilifeform: still won't save the receiver from.
asciilifeform: delay.
mircea_popescu reread his own version of dudley. are you aware fermat theorem proofs is in his list ?
mircea_popescu: kinda diminishes the piece in retrospect.
asciilifeform: nope, not diminishes
asciilifeform: recall that crackpots STILL send those
mircea_popescu: but one crackpot sent one that was correct.
asciilifeform: 'elementary proofs of fermat's last'
asciilifeform: wiles, see, 'doesn't count' because 'too long and uses things not taught in kindergarten and wtf is this'
mircea_popescu: it counts to my read.
mircea_popescu: SPECIFICALLY because of that tail.
asciilifeform: yes but not to the 'trisectors'
asciilifeform: the ~same folx are to this day sending fermat proofs 3pgs long, with rotten algebra, as before wiles..
mircea_popescu: sure. and they will. but dudley's piece is now... just as pseudo, and just as crank, as theirs,
asciilifeform: map colouring proof also
mircea_popescu: o i had a lot of fun with that as a kid.
mircea_popescu: you know it got preteen girls REALLY going ?
mircea_popescu picked it out of an old gardner book.
asciilifeform: what about the dudley piece is in any way false ? the folx described therein, behave exactly as described, i have met them
asciilifeform: and they're still in business ( to an extent, old age took its toll, and new ones not being made )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the proposition that a proof for fermat's conjecture is not worth reading past page four is not factual.
asciilifeform: ~from rando with no symptoms of any mathematical study~ you betcha not worth reading !
asciilifeform: wiles was a known pro, 'in the wot', note.
asciilifeform: with known unrelated work, of quality
mircea_popescu: and the digit-of-pi dude ?
asciilifeform: ditto
mircea_popescu: i recall he was a grad student or such
asciilifeform: ( he got perelmanned , yes )
erlehmann: perelmanned?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't per se dispute the piece can be rescued with liberal application of benevolent reading balm. i just don't seem inclined.
asciilifeform: i dun see the problem at all
mircea_popescu: well then good there's two of us.
asciilifeform: actual practitioners don't send unsolicited 'elementary proof of 1000yr problem '
erlehmann: asciilifeform wiles announced proofs at math conference, no?
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall you spending some lines discussing the problem of "unknown practitioner"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is theoretically a problem
asciilifeform: but has two edges.
mircea_popescu: and the faucet for when practical in your hand ?
asciilifeform: it is , i mean, problem not only for one side. as the linked piece is about.
mircea_popescu: anyway. his bad for inserting a conjecture among actually known shit. there's a difference between "we don't know if rsa is hard" and "we know you can't compress all files"
asciilifeform: interestingly we aren't (yet!!) awash in attempted proofs of 'rsa is hard'
mircea_popescu: i expect alf himself WILL voraciously read "proof" of former, no matter the source.
asciilifeform: or even of p!=np
mircea_popescu: of latter -- maybe 50% of the time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the "England -- implementation of logarithm" ? await ye till republic is actually where the idle seek their bread. then watch and be awashed art the deluge
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it were fashionable for folx with 3rd grade education to attempt such proofs, and i got one in the mail ( why., though, i dun work in that racket ) i might begin to do as subj link describes, and triage'em by symptoms
mircea_popescu: would you ?
mircea_popescu: allow me to quote :
asciilifeform: in practice, enthusiastic halfwits dun have much originality in their works.
mircea_popescu: "when a man grows old, and his balls grow cold, and the tip of his prick turns blue, he may in turn start do as the subj link describes, an' triage'm by symptoms"
erlehmann: asciilifeform crypto cranks need no proofs. take https://keybase.io/triplesec/ – money quote: “We don't have any exact proof of security for a cascade of block ciphers in CTR mode. But we're pretty sure”
mircea_popescu: keybase delivers.
asciilifeform: erlehmann: these are a snore and merit 0 brain cycles at all
mircea_popescu: i mostly like the intimation that while they may not have any exact proof, they do have sufficient inexact ones.
asciilifeform: 'to the furnace. next.'
asciilifeform: inexactproof lel
mircea_popescu: a nudge is as good as fuckall to the blind bat.
erlehmann: about as useful as tingling feeling in butt
mircea_popescu: hey, this could be gay slang. "is your butt use-full yet, twink ?"
erlehmann: but then those are the ones urging ppl to upload ther private keys
erlehmann: because it's easier (trust us!!!111)
asciilifeform: erlehmann: there are societies devoted to encouraging emo teenagers to jump from roof. why not also for uploading privkeys.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i got one of those bar shot ladle things, for ease of delivery. it's a very useful implement.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are ? you mean the japanese train jumping girly thing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah in ru
asciilifeform: caused much scandalwank
mircea_popescu: amuysing factoid -- the japs got rid of the problem by making bereaved families pay fine + repairs.
erlehmann: i am glad such stuff exists, because association with it shows stupid. if i remember correctly, debian response to keybase fuckery was: we consider stuff showing up on keybase compromised, any keys showing up will be shot on sight.
mircea_popescu: apparently "don't step in front of subway, you will die" is a lot less comprehesible to 8 yo japanese girl than "if i end up having to pay a fine for it I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU!"
erlehmann: source?
mircea_popescu: just vafgue memories, nothing definhite
asciilifeform: erlehmann: pretty sure debian nao 100% keybase powered
asciilifeform: after murdock was 'suicided'
mircea_popescu: things that "just happen", inferior nonsense pseudotech gaining usg tendril adoption.
mircea_popescu: you know, like tor. sure symptom of "it's totally leaderless yah" http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-01#1678144☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-01 15:38 mircea_popescu: yet these "measures of all things" exemplars of pure humanity, that honestly believe their heads are capable of any lifting, if they "just had the facts" hurr durr lol lol snort, nevertheless can't see far enough ahead to realise they're "leaderless" because their leaders are out and out bullshit, and for no other reason.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1679878 << i'm curious, what's the non-blue alternative? read all?! then no time to eat, sleep... read 0? state-of-the-art solution, practiced by many. but sometimes crackpot proofs are novel in some entertaining way. hence 'triage'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 01:29 mircea_popescu: "when a man grows old, and his balls grow cold, and the tip of his prick turns blue, he may in turn start do as the subj link describes, an' triage'm by symptoms"
asciilifeform: just like folx kink entertaining heathen idiocies here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not protesting the passage of time, nor its effects. merely remarking on it.
asciilifeform: *link
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you were to get 9000 letters / d. would also ignore or triage.
mircea_popescu: i ignore and triage as it is.
asciilifeform: so whence the old blue cock
mircea_popescu: it's the sign of age, what!
mircea_popescu: !~google mark saldana, tokyo's human accidents jinshin jiko and the social meaning of train suicide
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Tokyo's " Human Accidents ": Jinshin Jiko and the Social Meaning of ...: <http://digitalcommons.macalester.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1012%26context%3Danth_honors>; Tokyo : Earthquakes and train suicide . | - Hong Kong Housewife: <http://hkhousewife.com/travel/tokyo-earthquakes-and-train-suicide/>; The Culture of Japan - Web Tome: <http://webtome.weebly.com/blog/the-cultu
mircea_popescu: ^ erlehmann there's your source, courtesy of friendly birdy in my ear.
asciilifeform: incidentally we have these here
asciilifeform: with impressive frequency
asciilifeform: ( naturally 0 , afaik, official count, but back when i rode the train daily, it was delayed 'for track problem', and telltale equipment visible later, every few mo. )
mircea_popescu: few a year isn't much of a frequency
asciilifeform: perhaps
asciilifeform: this is just along 1 particular route, note
asciilifeform: probably multiply by 20 to get estimate of whole washington.
mircea_popescu: do you know that salo joke, "hey, the muscovy went to space !" "all of them ?" "no, just one" "then what are you bothering me for"
asciilifeform: at any rate, the traditional ustard suicide, at least of grown man, is by auto. counts as 'accident' for insurance.
asciilifeform: ( virtually without fail )
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the guy's cessna was insured.
asciilifeform: stack's ?
mircea_popescu: ya
asciilifeform: nfi. but recall the bernardino postal
asciilifeform: and the later wank
asciilifeform: 'ohnoez, terrorists oughnt get insurance payout'
mircea_popescu: lel
mircea_popescu: except... they don't.
asciilifeform: well 'families of враги народа' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: bill of attainder eh.
mircea_popescu: such lolz, the kakobrelkas of today trying to deal with the logs of yesteryear.
asciilifeform: modern usg makes billofattainder with every fart
mircea_popescu: it's always an amusement to watch.
asciilifeform: for decades nao
mircea_popescu: !!up gribble
deedbot: gribble voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen vragnaroda
gribble: vragnaroda was last seen in #trilema 4 years, 31 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <vragnaroda> Not until just now but that's fantastic.
erlehmann: > JR East, the line we were trying to take, is the most popular for suicides because it charges the bereaved families the least.
erlehmann: suicide tourism, lulz
mircea_popescu: good suicide will push bad suicide out of circulation!
erlehmann: shop around for a cheap death!
asciilifeform: i dun get it, why trains. why not roofs, bridges, etc
erlehmann: fear of heights? accessible places?
asciilifeform: even if street sweeper charges, what's it cost to hose a pavement.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people are not thinking agents. in deprs, transitions are a major consideration, much more so than any others.
mircea_popescu: trains provide numerous and precise transitions. rooftops do not.
asciilifeform: how not? climb, jump, splat..?
mircea_popescu: have you ever seen an idiot stop in a doorway ? because his brain simply shut down confronted with the transition ? "oh, room. outdoors. whoa!"
asciilifeform: actually no! i only ever read about mircea_popescu's argentines doing this
asciilifeform: and the fictional idiot in hanbot's 'yankee'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it just sits there. there's no transition on a roof. if anything, the lack of transitions is calming, which is why jumpers can notoriously be talked out of it. make no sudden gesutres, let him take in the outdoors, he';ll climb down.
asciilifeform: i thought only 'demonstrative emos' can be talked out
mircea_popescu: not really so much related.
asciilifeform: d00d with actual reason to call it quits - generally no
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to call it quits on calling it quits. just on calling it quits right then and there.
mircea_popescu: in practice, asciilifeform, there is.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the pretense some derp "reasoned" about suicide is ridiculous of the prime order. who exactly is so equiped that they may so reason ?
mircea_popescu: odds are he's not competent enough to reason about a cup of tea.
erlehmann: suppose people wanted to splat faster, terminal velocity for human in air is around ~200 km/h and is probably not achieved from standard issue rooftop.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann you know how to calculate this ?
mircea_popescu: !~calc (200 / 3.6)**2 / 9.8
gribble: Error: "~calc" is not a valid command.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (200 / 3.6)**2 / 9.8 = 314.9407911312673
erlehmann: mircea_popescu of course i have no idea how to calculate drag from human body and believe skydiver websites
erlehmann: oh wait, you meant something different
mircea_popescu: drag really dun matter in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: i just did the math to show you the thing you copy/pasted is nonsense -- surely someone jumping from 214 meters (about 100 floors) will still die.
asciilifeform: 5th floor generally enough
erlehmann: ah, but terminal velocity is <--[drag]-- o|< --[gravity]--> (rotate by 90 deg)
asciilifeform: ( ~= auto wreck into stationary wall at typical usa highway speed )
erlehmann: mircea_popescu 100 floors is reasonably uncommon
asciilifeform: 100 is a luxury!
mircea_popescu: erlehmann really ? what do you think drag is, magic ? where does "drag" hide all that energy, not like people splat in flames.
asciilifeform: skyscraper dun have openable windows, tourism decks also glassed in
erlehmann: i regret my remark
asciilifeform: gotta be one hell of a rich d00d, to jump from 100..
mircea_popescu: "drag" is aconsideration in this discussion for the sort of intellect that reads wikireddit and thinks haskell is a useful programming language.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672500☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
asciilifeform: 'i need to jump but only got keys to 5th floor so no dice' said afaik nobody ever
mircea_popescu: on concrete, 5-6th floor are just about experimentally enough.
asciilifeform: 'hey gotta eat pistol but all i got is 9mm' , picture
mircea_popescu witnessed splat left by woman jumping from 7th in tm.
mircea_popescu: there was no question of survival, indentification more a concern.
asciilifeform: more interesting when they fall on a car
asciilifeform: often looks superficially like 'died of nothing', car - 'total'
mircea_popescu: had the deency not to. plain asphalt, smooth, crushed ~every bone in her body.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the even worst is when the fucking moose does it.
asciilifeform: there, iirc was a chick who survived parachuteless fall from liner
erlehmann: guy in my school from parallel class suicided himself by highspeed train. there were no buildings around with more than three floors (excluding ground level).
mircea_popescu: power of queefs ?
erlehmann: like, years ago, of course
asciilifeform: ( suffered from low pressure , so heart did not burst )
asciilifeform: but bones - liquid
erlehmann: this ends on a weirdo note http://hkhousewife.com/travel/tokyo-earthquakes-and-train-suicide/
erlehmann: > There’s a very scary trend online now where young people kill themselves online. How terrible is that?!
asciilifeform: pediwikidiots whine that 'ohnoez jp suicide rate' but really it is other countries that suffer from folx with excessive hanging on
asciilifeform: for what does homo redditicus remain alive?
erlehmann: upvotes, most likely
erlehmann: number goes up, mood goes up
mircea_popescu: !~google "i like to get the daily news"
gribble: Error: "~google" is not a valid command.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Seinfeld - George wasting his life - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DWaokRFqsdUM>; I Like to Get the Daily News | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/pages/I-Like-to-Get-the-Daily-News/380623590858>; Contact Us - NY Daily News: <http://www.nydailynews.com/services/contact-us>
erlehmann: mircea_popescu thanks for link to article about social meaning of train suicide
erlehmann: for some reason the topic makes me think of the book “the queer art of failure”
erlehmann: but i can't really put it together
erlehmann: asciilifeform i think mircea_popescu may be onto something with awareness of transitions. there was this one organization for sucide help (something swiss) and many people who get greenlighted by them actually do not kill themselves.
erlehmann: dignitas, swiss non-profit for assisting with suicide
mircea_popescu: it's the state-of-the-art re the topic, from people who actually study it as opposed to uswank it.
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sina: evening tmsr
sina: asciilifeform: curious about your thoughts on https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/
shinohai can almost hear asciilifeform saying "GNU crapolade!!!!!!" right nao ....
sina: hi shinohai :)
mod6: mornin'
mircea_popescu: hey sina. how's tricks
mircea_popescu re-reads drag discussion from yest, realises it is a very fundamental process at the root of socialist empire. consider what happened :
mircea_popescu: reasonably bright, diligent fellow, who also happens to http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#selection-711.0-711.610 ended up believing himself 1. NOT in a position to evaluate a claim as to distance because he "can not calculate drag from the human body" ; and then consequently 2. ACCEPT some wikitardation as legitimate on the basis that a) he's impotent (as demonstrated by his cont
mircea_popescu: act with entirely irrelevany complicacy) and b) they're "many", which obviously matters. that they're many ~sybils~ does not matter, for reasons unexplained.
mircea_popescu: now THIS is what we mean by "learned helplessness" in each and every single instance where that term of art is used. guy who could, and on the basis of having passed into 9th grade somehow SHOULD, evaluate a claim as to factuality, accuracy, correctness etcetera fails to do so. the failure is not organic but psychogenic. the replacement of sanity with socialistard blather follows from this, because you know, gotta say somethi
mircea_popescu: ng, so let's discuss the differences between signal and telegram, trump and hilarity, two cans of pepsi.
mircea_popescu: this pretty much sits at the core of the whole dispute. by "fit in head" tmsr simply means "do not engage irrelevant complicacy". complicacy serves as a term of art here, to denote things that are constructively complicated, as opposed to the naturally complicated. what your woman means when she speaks is complicated ; but marriage is complicacy.
mircea_popescu: this is not said once, but multiple times and in multiple aspects ( take http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ for instance, or phf's comment re cyphercomms, or tons and tons of others), and it all comes to the same root : IF you engage irrelevancy, you will arrive at wrong results. IF you engage irrelevant complicacy, you will arive at an unwarranted misjudgement of yourself -- you will think yourself impot
mircea_popescu: ent. this is not humility, but psychosis, and of the saddest kind. you CAN actually MAKE yourself impotent by insisting with it -- and it works equally well with erections as with thoughts.
mircea_popescu: whenever i write fiction about rando anglotard gleefully jumping into a steel cock cage the usual gleeful anglotard response is that "he just dun understand what could possibly possess dude in story to behave thusly". nevertheless, when presented with the exact, point-by-point equivalent for their head, they without exception jump right in, which creates the very strange yet picturesque situation where a buncha doods with ste
mircea_popescu: el headcages wonder why would a literary character stick one on his dick.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the other side, what the chumpmasters are doing is simply create and inject irrelevant complicacy. people discussing splat distance ? let's talk about drag. it is a 0.1% factor at the most, so let's discuss it. people wanna pick a president ? let's find out who said nigger more times. this matters, to 0.1% or below, so let's focus on that. etcetera and forever, and amusingly enough they replicate it.
mircea_popescu: no fucking idea as of yet why or how that works, but they DO replicate it.
mircea_popescu: in any case - i can't calculate drag from human body either, nor can anyone else. there's a reason for both http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-19#567906 and wind tunnels irl : it's a measured, not calculated.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-03-19 19:04 asciilifeform: and, finally, his moment arrived! von Kármán surrendered his orange ticket, took a deep breath, and said, "God, explain turbulence." Theodore von Kármán spent the rest of eternity burning in Hell.'
mircea_popescu: (and (on the basis of (having passed into 9th grade somehow)) SHOULD)
mircea_popescu: holy shit ima end up writing lispex.
shinohai checks to see if it evals ....
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: just think that somehow "race" is a legitimate topic of conversation in a country undergoing full economic collapse where black people are 12% by headcount and 5% if that by capital.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what could be more irrelevant to the united states than the fate of blacks these days, but hey. maybe russian spies.
mircea_popescu: campus rape, cyberpedos, whatever moral panics.
mircea_popescu: and yet -- the thing with blacks is complicated. the economic situation -- not.
mircea_popescu: the matter of disciplining the us population into 90% consumption cuts and 50% productivity gains over the next three to five years is not even vaguely contemplated, amusingly enough.
mircea_popescu: at least the argentards had this in their press, back in 2014, editorials and shit about how "the international neocapitalists" try to make them work moar and waste less, and how THEY ARE ORGANIZED AND WILL RESIST!!1
mod6: too easy to ctrl+p
mircea_popescu: mod6 i think the matter is more, 3rd world understands it is shit, looks up to eu, us, whatever. small brother syndrome. whereas us misperceives itself as civilised, which it isn't nor ever was, and top of teh pile, so couldn't possibly be anyhone to look up to (except of course france, but we dun like to talk about that, liberty fries ha-ha!)
mircea_popescu: anyway -- younger siblings never hit the bottle QUITE like the eldest son.
mod6: ah, fair enough
mircea_popescu: that's why if you have boys it's always a great idea to have two. the first fucking up comes with an almost certainty the 2nd will come out alright.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> at least the argentards had this in their press, back in 2014, editorials and shit about how "the international neocapitalists" try to make them work moar and waste less, and how THEY ARE ORGANIZED AND WILL RESIST!!1 << Prolly wouldn't make it past typical US head plugs
mircea_popescu: im sure.
mircea_popescu goes to dig out that article, it was a riot.
BingoBoingo: The ones who do realize may have the wrong reaction (build a bunker, stockpile canned goods) but they exist on the Trump voting part of the US-sorting
BingoBoingo: Part of pantsuit voter's induction to voting pantisuit is the infection with belief they CAN'T be made to do anything.
BingoBoingo: Hence, the 1200 gender-disabilities on campus that all need "reasonable accomodations" during exams
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680023 << 'guile' is a steaming pile of shit☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 11:22 sina: asciilifeform: curious about your thoughts on https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/
mircea_popescu: well, google dun have it, because nobody gives a shit about the anglotards, and for good reason. but here it is :
mircea_popescu: la globalizacion financiera, la deuda ilegitima y el nuevo curso, by jorge muracciole, "sociologo" no less (tiempo argentino, #1487, june 30 2014, page 24)
mircea_popescu: dias despues de la implosion de la convertibilidad, a pesar del marasmo economico, el hartazgo social y la crisis de conduccion politica, tres ideas diferenciadas campeaban en las cabezas de los devaluados referentes politicos que habian sobrevivido de la debacle economica politica y social mas profunda de las ultimas decadas.
mircea_popescu: los referentes de la derecha liberal estaban dispuestos utopicamente a reincidir en las recetas ajustistas y, amparados por la emergencia, apostaban a implementar el disciplinamiento social, aprovechandose de los elevados indices de desocupacion, sin privarse de la variante represiva en caso que fuera necesario. esos intentos fueron derrotados en las calles con la movilizacion callejera, y en las urnas con el abandono de la c
mircea_popescu: andidatura en segunda vuelta del maximo exponente del 'neoliberalismo-peronista' en el otono de 2003.
asciilifeform: marasmo economico << lol
mircea_popescu: on it goes in that vein, and you should see what a barely literate "diputado nacional" by the name eduardo "wado" de pedro had to say.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3863F4DD4389CA8A3A883920C064484A76114DE2A4C11C1418217EE6BCEC912 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1355...4549 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown PL DS)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3863F4DD4389CA8A3A883920C064484A76114DE2A4C11C1418217EE6BCEC912 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1381...3877 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown PL DS)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i certify the term is apt. i have NEVER seen a country in worse economic shit, including 1980s kazakhstan.
asciilifeform: << lel
asciilifeform: jeszcze polska ne zginela !
mircea_popescu: to briefly revisit http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680050 : the fact that us cattlehead consumption power dropped about 80% in the past three decades (ie, since the 80s, ie since http://trilema.com/2015/other-peoples-money/ or in other words since the political decision was made to simply give up, lay down and die) is ALSO remarkably absent from the fanfics.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 15:27 mircea_popescu: the matter of disciplining the us population into 90% consumption cuts and 50% productivity gains over the next three to five years is not even vaguely contemplated, amusingly enough.
asciilifeform: moar than 80 % if you count the children they ain't having
mircea_popescu: very true.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680050 << why would the frog boiler chef publicly discuss, to the frogs, the subject of their preparation ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 15:27 mircea_popescu: the matter of disciplining the us population into 90% consumption cuts and 50% productivity gains over the next three to five years is not even vaguely contemplated, amusingly enough.
asciilifeform: will instead discuss anything, ANYTHING else.
mircea_popescu: it pretends to be a state
mircea_popescu: you know, like argentina. "the debt dispute is very debalanced,. becayuse it opposes a tiny group of vulture capialists to a NATIONAL STATE!!!"
asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu have an article re greece, where, 'if idiot throws money into a toilet, he is doubly idiotic for expecting to see it again' or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: you understand trhis is where apple's "offsore" "could buy russia" stash is, right ?
asciilifeform: argentina?!
mircea_popescu: "investments"
asciilifeform: or the greek eu credit
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: same nonsense as the 'mortgage assets' locally
mircea_popescu: exactly same
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: turns out that ownership without ownership doth not work very well.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: got it.
gabriel_laddel_p: Ty.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: yer welcome
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: did it work for what you were doing ?
asciilifeform sent the d00d an old lappy a while back
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: remains to be seen. Have not yet compiled masamune for 32bit.
asciilifeform: it's a 64
gabriel_laddel_p: Odd. b/c my resucecd won't work unless using 32 bit kernel.
mircea_popescu: strangely, i am not very shocked by the turn of this covnersation.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sent g_l a surplus 'x61', complete with pen. not a bad box, though weathered
mircea_popescu: i was here.
gabriel_laddel_p: other AML news: If you send bountysource claims to a paypal whose name differs from your screename, the transaction will send, and then paypal will disappear the transaction from the history of the account you sent it to, and remove the funds + bountysource will not respond to emails regarding the matter.
asciilifeform: wat's a bountysource
gabriel_laddel_p: https://www.bountysource.com/
asciilifeform: i take it, a /dev/null for money
asciilifeform: lol, resembles ye olde 'rentacoder' scamatron
gabriel_laddel_p: I found it to be quite usable until I ended up owing someone for money I'd already spent.
asciilifeform: 'jcomeauictx wrote: getting started. sponsor: do you know that Bountysource hasn't been paying out escrowed funds to coders for several weeks now? I'm putting this on hold until I hear from Rappo about this. [2017-06-21T21:35:27PDT got my funds a few minutes ago. front burner again.]'
asciilifeform: lulzy, complete with (presumably) partial payola to keep 'top' chumps stfu-ing
asciilifeform: https://www.bountysource.com/people/19615-gabriel-laddel << gabriel_laddel_p -- yours ?
gabriel_laddel_p: yep.
asciilifeform: https://blog.codinghorror.com/can-you-really-rent-a-coder/ << see also
mircea_popescu: tis hard out there for a pimp
mircea_popescu: when he trynna make dat mony for da rent...
asciilifeform: pretty sure d00d has problems but rent aint one
mircea_popescu: 99 problems to be exact ?
asciilifeform: ( lives in a corner of a university library , or somesuch )
asciilifeform: 254 problems.
mircea_popescu: did i tell the story of this art major chick who becoming homeless ended up living inside one of her creations ?
asciilifeform: Hungerkünstler !
mircea_popescu: either that or jonas. but anyway. tru story.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E9B8C5178937E2E34273CC6EB1A94CE3254DCA5C3703E699FB9E0E11877D7877 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1691...2237 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (cenda.apedia.com. CZ)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E9B8C5178937E2E34273CC6EB1A94CE3254DCA5C3703E699FB9E0E11877D7877 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1734...3457 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (cenda.apedia.com. CZ)
asciilifeform: http://www.e-ubytovani.eu ^ << jurov ?
mircea_popescu: why ?
asciilifeform: czechs
mircea_popescu: iirc he's slovak
asciilifeform: if i'm an ukr, he can be a czech, lel
mircea_popescu: so wait, that makes it his website ?
asciilifeform: lolno
asciilifeform: just relevant!11
mircea_popescu: to his being czech ?
asciilifeform: aha. who knows, he might've seen it prior.
mircea_popescu: i see!
asciilifeform: mebbe it's the czechoslovak airbnb, etc.
mircea_popescu: ima start doing this to you with whores working the wash dc conference circuit.
mircea_popescu: "you know belinda ? the tall one with fake tits ?"
asciilifeform: lolgranted
trinque: "hey trinque, I saw this guy with a big hat. you know him?"
mircea_popescu: "did he spit tobacco ?"
asciilifeform notices that OTHER side of glued shoe, has nao come apart
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> "you know belinda ? the tall one with fake tits ?" << lmao
mircea_popescu: ikr?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680033 << btw this brought back to mind http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648764, in that usglandia snuffs by way of environmental catastrophe folks who don't like the smell of complicacy.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 15:03 mircea_popescu: this pretty much sits at the core of the whole dispute. by "fit in head" tmsr simply means "do not engage irrelevant complicacy". complicacy serves as a term of art here, to denote things that are constructively complicated, as opposed to the naturally complicated. what your woman means when she speaks is complicated ; but marriage is complicacy.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 18:59 mircea_popescu: inb4 us medical profession wakes up to the sad fact that the raise in autism has nothing to do with ~organic~ causes. the kids just don't like the environment any, opt out.
mircea_popescu: rather.
asciilifeform: re 'opt out', there was a similar phenomenon visible in, e.g., auschwitz.
trinque knows a bright young man who didn't say much until about 5yrs old; when he got old enough to judge his surroundings, blood rage.
trinque: gives me a glimmer of optimism for "teh kids"
asciilifeform: trinque: i knew a d00d who had to spend much time, money, to save his 5yo 'illicitly nontalking' son from 'speshul' school and forced dopings
mircea_popescu: there's no papering over hell ; or there can never be a socialist solution to reality.
asciilifeform: (kid would talk just fine at home. just not in the public hell)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. you know a dude who in preference of saving his kid, spent a lot of time and money saving his allegiance to the socialist state.
mircea_popescu: ticket to azerbaijan still $2k.
asciilifeform: less
mircea_popescu: well gotta take the kid also neh
asciilifeform: tru!1
trinque: I just told him he was right, and kid had a lot less cognitive dissonance to endure.
mircea_popescu: but the important point -- contrary to the dood's own mendacious misrepresentation, the time and money was NOT spent on the kid.
asciilifeform: this was indeed a fella who ( afaik ) had never left good ol' gringolandia
mircea_popescu: gotta fix them symptoms and where's the dial glue.
mircea_popescu is vaguely amusing at the whole ustardian faux-art... what shall we call it, it;s not a profession, how about community ?
mircea_popescu: because nobody came up with the obvious idea of a lulzworkshop. clearly labeled "dial glue" and other such useful items.
asciilifeform: where was that pic, of the menstruarium
mircea_popescu: between the alaptarium and the leprosorium!
asciilifeform: http://archive.is/lwgxZ << heeere we go.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, in other lulz : ro for straightedge geometry tool is "echer". obviously from french equerre, but i always told people it's from escher.
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: in fairness it fucking should be.
asciilifeform: verily.
mircea_popescu: but imagine, you know, an ancient all steel 8086 case, with a wired mouse on the right and a round metal box on the left, also wired in. box clearly labeled, "#@$!#", and inside, some dead bugs.
mircea_popescu: wtf is art for even ?
mircea_popescu: (the butt of this joke being "but listen, 8086 didn't have mice yet!" "nor bugs.")
mircea_popescu: if they did that sort of shit, i could almost respect artists.
mircea_popescu: but irl, what passes for artists is randal mcfuckhead, what's his name, with the unviolated rights of opressed minorities.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1679877 << see also!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 01:28 asciilifeform: in practice, enthusiastic halfwits dun have much originality in their works.
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: anyway, between this "the vermin came later" 8086 installation, the bottle of dial glue, a pile of equerres labeled "a collection of eschers" and so on, there's just about enough for a collaborative exhibition. and yet...
asciilifeform actually had a mouse with the 8086. serial port thing. marvelled at its uselessness
mircea_popescu: i had one too, wide 21 pin thing
asciilifeform: aha, them!!
mircea_popescu: and with this, #trilema stands firmly entrenched at the forefront of anglo cultural space, and at a considerable distance from the rest of the troop, at that!\
mircea_popescu: "It's an insoluble problem. Furthermore, I think most bug tracking systems fail us because they make us ask the wrong questions. They force you to pick a side. Hatfields vs. McCoys. Coke vs. Pepsi. Bug vs. Feature Request. It's a painful and arbitrary decision, because most of the time, it's both. There's no difference between a bug and a feature request from the user's perspective. If you want to do something with an applica
mircea_popescu: tion (or website) and you can't do it because that feature isn't implemented -- how is that any different than not being able to do something due to an error message?"
mircea_popescu: so jeff atwood is fucking retarded, basically.
mircea_popescu: anyway, fuck him. let's wash the useemly americana out with some cosideration of the beauty of reasoned truth. so : pappus was this greek from alexandria who first documentedly observed that if given two sets of colinear points, then the intersections of the lines uniting them will also be colinear. the beauty is that this theorem holds in all projective planes built over fields, but does not hold in projective planes derived
mircea_popescu: from a noncomutative division ring.
mircea_popescu: in other words, there's a relation between comutativity and colinearity, of all things!
mircea_popescu: and obviously, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1679049☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 14:12 asciilifeform: one hint -- look at 'screw' as a modular congruence
jurov: asciilifeform: never heard about e-ubytovani before
asciilifeform: jurov: aite, ty
asciilifeform: in other lulz re ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665150 >>> https://blog.regehr.org/archives/1520☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:41 asciilifeform: you can't actually write a nontrivial c proggy without undefined behaviour.
asciilifeform: ( tldr : folx continue to administer medicine to the corpse )
asciilifeform: but meanwhile, from asciilifeform's 'vintage USEFUL material' file, http://programming.sirrida.de/bit_perm.html .
asciilifeform: ^ mechanics of shuffles, Beneš networks, etc.
BingoBoingo: !!Up EIC
deedbot: EIC voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Hello EIC
BingoBoingo: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
EIC: hello all. my daddy's retired.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: !!up EIC
deedbot: EIC voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: EIC ok, so how's taiwan and what brings you here ?
shinohai: lol you scared him off!
mircea_popescu: aww
mircea_popescu: !!up EIC
deedbot: EIC voiced for 30 minutes.
EIC: i was checking out trilema.com. feels a lot like the anarplex.net approach. more active here.
mircea_popescu: i never seen that one.
EIC: worth checking out #Agora via tor. quiet, but similar thinking.
mircea_popescu: and if one checks it not via tor ?
mircea_popescu: oh this is a whol;e network ?
EIC: i think there's a clearnet address, but no one really uses it.
mircea_popescu: i'd use it, why not.
EIC: it's inhabited by crypto-geeks sworn to absolute secrecy.
EIC: that's about the main reason no one uses clearnet
EIC: good folks, though.
mircea_popescu: anarplex.net 6667 or are the internet dweebs sworn to absolute wankery also weird about their constants ?
EIC: hold on...
EIC: https://anarplex.net/
mircea_popescu: yes but what port.
shinohai: https://anarplex.net/agorairc/connect.html
shinohai: ^
mircea_popescu: a ty
phf: dorknet
EIC: 14716 clearnet, 6667 tor
shinohai: "Connection is already encrypted by Tor, so do NOT enable additional SSL for the connection. " <<< lmao
EIC: cfyfz6afpgfeirst.onion
mircea_popescu: shinohai also weird re constants. 14716. anyway ima kiwiirc if any of the locals developed a taste for watching these
phf: that's all i have really, it's 1am in vienna, and i know for a fact there's at least 3 parties going on right now, but i'm kind of beat and sort of thinking about going to sleep. is that how old age feels?
mircea_popescu: phf not yet.
mircea_popescu: EIC well, can't connect. i dunno, tell them if anyone cares and let me know when they get around to fixing it ?
EIC: i'm connected, so it's working.
EIC: not sure what's up.
EIC: let me check on something...
mircea_popescu: kiwiirc.com/client, server agora.anarplex.net port 14716
mircea_popescu: does it werk ?
shinohai: kiwi is fickle about ssl connections iirc
mircea_popescu: it has a box, i didn't check it
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/on-trisection-a-humble-contribution/ << Trilema - On trisection, a humble contribution
EIC: maybe the expired certificate is causing problems with kiwi?
mircea_popescu: no idea. let's see the other one, what was it
EIC: here's a web client: https://anarplex.net/webirc/
mircea_popescu: aty
mircea_popescu: 404 ?
EIC: cfyfz6afpgfeirst.onion:6667
mircea_popescu: ayaya check out this crazy shit : https://anarplex.net/webirc 404s, but https://anarplex.net/webirc/ actually has a copy of freenode's old client. lessee
mircea_popescu: alright, im in, coupla dozen ppl there
EIC: yeah. old timers. cypherpunks and wanna-bees
mircea_popescu: [19:07] == fhp [user@mynet0id.d0q.ejevp0.IP] has joined #agora << this text snippet has gone through seven proxies.
EIC: bbiab
EIC: i get the feeling this is a tight knit group...
mircea_popescu: which ?
EIC: not sure i can cleanly define a subset - too new still. just that feelin'
mircea_popescu: you mean #trilema ? here's a part of the magnificent new tech of the republic : you too can be just as old as everyone, as soon as you get arouind to it!
mircea_popescu: there's logs! like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680268☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 23:21 mircea_popescu: you mean #trilema ? here's a part of the magnificent new tech of the republic : you too can be just as old as everyone, as soon as you get arouind to it!
EIC: all it takes is time...
mircea_popescu: they can be searched, and so on.
mircea_popescu: !!up EIC
deedbot: EIC voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: consider regiustering your key with deedbot so you can self voice
mircea_popescu: EIC https://anarplex.net/hosted/files/secondrealm/blog_post.html << the obvious objections being that formally this reads just like yet another ustarded neoprotestant "i heard there's a world yesterday and here's how to fix it" tract, as so many before starting with abolitionism and aparently never endingly ; and fundamentally that "autonomy" is utterly naive. i do not permit autonomy my slavegirls, in the sense they don't ge
mircea_popescu: t to "come up with their own reasons" as to whether they're studying basic arithmetics or not ; i DO permit them autonomy in the sense that if they bring me a dead body i'll get rid of it rather than you know, "report it to the police".
mircea_popescu: this should be enough to illustrate why exactly the linked piece is yet another paradoxing trisection. though dudley would predict it won't work.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to answer the original question, no. new people join all the time.
asciilifeform read linked piece, maxed out anglotardism dosimeter
mircea_popescu: tis hard out there for a pimp
asciilifeform: and if i had a bitcent for every 'anarchist' pushing usg.tor...
mircea_popescu: im not even sure why this would be relevant. i'm there on a web browser, nothing happened as of yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: their www seems to be one of those 'onion to http converter' things
asciilifeform: hence the snail speed
mircea_popescu: ah, so like a catholic church where i take two whores in see through garb and they automagically and behind the scenes deck them in white veils, redo their hair to less brothely and sprinkle holyt water everywhere ?
mircea_popescu: in truth, if that's how church went i'd have possibly even gone.
mircea_popescu likes the idea
asciilifeform: sumthinglikethis
mircea_popescu: check it out, i've even officially been on tor nao.
mircea_popescu: a most productive eveninfg
phf: "Since we have had several downtimes of our clearnet gateways, all regular visitors are advised to bookmark the darknet addresses as well."
mircea_popescu: phf are you intimating they're just letting me get addicted after which they'll reel me in ???
phf: nah, just confirming asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: aok then
phf: i have shortage of snark
mircea_popescu: mine reloads while i sleep.
phf: but i take it the roots of these people is the weird california http://www.rawillumination.net/2011/02/interview-with-kevin-macardry-as-ive.html their author guy is interviewed by a robert anton wilson fanblog, and they are namedropping all the different things that were cool in the 80s
mircea_popescu: i bought one of those "make snark while you sleep" things
mircea_popescu: phf its actually both a pity and impenetrable to me, why exactly weird california never actually happy.
shinohai: Snark-o-tron 9000
mircea_popescu: happened*
mircea_popescu: i mean, slightly weird but mostly unwashed seattle happened. wtf was wrong with california ?
mircea_popescu: there was a once almost-worthy frisco-as-seen-by-crumb. where is it and wtf ate it and ???
phf: mondo 2000, the proto valley crowd, i think we had the thread. basically, jwz.
mircea_popescu: porn valley took over the world. silicon valley did jack the fuck shit already. why ?
mircea_popescu: and plox don't tell me "it's because your instruments are dirty, in factr apple could buy russia", as these discussions usually tend to go.
asciilifeform: 'For the past decade I've been a professional agorist, still doing software but working on projects calculated to assist other livestock in getting off the farm as well.'
mircea_popescu: :)
mircea_popescu: i expect he lives in chile, amirite.
asciilifeform: ' Well, in the early 2000s I did a secure webmail service which was hosted on Sealand. I've always considered that the control of money and payment systems was the linchpin of farm control mechanisms, so following that I became involved in the digital gold currency (DGC) industry. For the past several years I've been involved with a project related to the virtualization of stored value using cryptographically signed digital bearer cert
asciilifeform: didjaknow!!
mircea_popescu: this is getting sad.
asciilifeform: 2011!!
mircea_popescu: hiow did that go, "local mathematician scores near miss".
mircea_popescu: i recall now why i recalled u dudley's piece so firmly. it was because the undescribably sad.
phf: (check it, their second realm book starts out with TAZ in the subtitle, and that was the mondo 2000 thing, that we're going to build anarchist communes online. idiots, hakim bey came out and said very explicitly that the last chapter of TAZ where he ~speculated~ that internet might have a potential for TAZ was a mistake and to not please refer to your "cybercommunes" as TAZ'es anymore)
mircea_popescu: death of the author, bish. he can't say anything, fanfic has established the epileptic trees!
asciilifeform: TAZ >> '...Будь попрочнее старый таз, Длиннее был бы мой рассказ.' comes to mind for some reason.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this existed in romania too, weirdly enough just about syncrhonously, early 90s. it was an incredible collection of chicks nobody would fuck with a hog's dick and really pedosmiled older dudes.