esthlos: uh, just used ./v.pl p press_output ffa_ch1_genesis.vpatch, if that's what you mean
esthlos: well this is fun: gnat: command not found, BUT gprbuild does stuff...
esthlos: mebbe its the usual gentoo breaking things into 20 pieces
esthlos: wait, maybe you're supposed to compile AGAIN after USE=bootstrap compile
esthlos: if you don't have any leads i'll mess around i suppose
esthlos: i got no acl/selinux nonsense or whatever
mod6: everything pressed ok right esthlos ?
mod6: ok. i've not seen any error like that for sometime now, definitely predates the recent loper-os posts.
mod6: i use that adacore version fwiw
mod6: i did just press & compile up through chapter 6 successfully. so that works at least.
esthlos: i will try on eulora box once its spun up.
esthlos: issue resolved by moving to 2016 ada
☟︎ trinque: diana_coman: your www appears to be down atm
☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 02:52 asciilifeform: ^ anybody seen anything of this kind ? mod6 ? phf ? ben_vulpes ?
PeterL:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-06#1766126 << so I was like "how hard could this be?" and I am trying to wrap my head around what this comes from, so I open up the gpg source code, and bleh, code is sooo much easier to read when it is written in ada by asciilifeform!
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-01-06 22:57 asciilifeform: btw if somebody wants to write a py or pl scriptoid that'll generate the gpg-matching 1ffffff...blah turdoid for a given file , he will get honourable-mention in the next chapter.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 05:55 trinque: diana_coman: your www appears to be down atm
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 02:52 asciilifeform: diana_coman ? who else works with gpl-gnat
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 05:55 trinque: diana_coman: your www appears to be down atm
mircea_popescu: in other news, anyone want to do a wire for me ? pete_dushenski ?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless -- that the "open source" nonsense was made for new jersey and vice-versa (no, it's NOT TRUE "anyone can contribute", holy shit already, what sort of crapsack world is this to be!), that fare is an immature bitchlet has nothing to do with lone programmers, nor with fucking professionalism.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but he doesn't see this, so in he falls into pantsuit sink, "getting personal about profession is tremendously annoying" etc. no it's fucking not, jesus christ, jwz restated. have a better personality instead!
mircea_popescu: im starting to believe the only possible definition of "postmodern man" is "he who attempts to resolve all problems by more insistend application of whatever caused them in the first place and in no other way".
mircea_popescu: (think about it, what is marxism other than the proposition that the dissatisfaction of the plebs, produiced through giving them more than they should have been given, is to be cured by giving them... even more! hurr ?)
mircea_popescu: "Revolutions sometimes do work, but their cost in human terms is /enormous/." << no revolutin ever worked, in any sense of "work" distinguishable from "nigger got his delicious free chicken". for the same money, "pillage works". sure, it works fine for as long as you're the one doing it.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, work here is intended to mean that the niggers can spawn a replacement society that'll be just as good as the thing they originally pillaged". "sure, and for the same definition of just as good i could replace you all with cultured strep, how about that."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: all the strep votes for me so evidently the strepvolution worked. hurr ?
mircea_popescu: let's iliterately dork about literacy why the hell not, "it's engineering" hurr.
mircea_popescu: "By the way, the SGML Document Interchange Format (ISO 9069) uses ASN.1 to ship SGML documents around. I wrote an implementation of SDIF in three days. Test runs showed that a major CALS application consumed approximately 40% of the character count of the SGML file, and with the then commonly available tools to parse and process SGML documents and ASN.1 processors, the SDIF data stream took around 1/200th as much CPU time and
mircea_popescu: about 75% of the memory to reconstruct the identical in-memory version of the document. This experiment was among the many data points that led me to conclude that SGML is insane and that those who think it is rational to require parsing of character data at each and every application interface are literally retarded and willfully blind. Also, an SDIF data stream can only represent a validated document and the kinds of error
mircea_popescu: s you get when parsing ASN.1 are unforgiving. There is no doubt in my mind that if SDIF had won over the insanely verbose text format, even things like HTML would have been moderately sane. Not to mention the fact that images could have been carried in the same data stream. The world would have been a better place if SDIF had won over HTML, and if the nutjobs who "invented" XML had been moderately in touch with reality, they
mircea_popescu: would have realized the insanity of requiring the verbose end-tags and the stupid syntax. XML-RPC and SOAP and the like could have been fairly inexpensive things. But, alas, people prefer buggy text formats that they can approximate rather than precise binary formats that follow general rules that are make them as easy to use as text formats. Rationality is not part of the SGML philosophy, however, and SDIF was mainly an effo
mircea_popescu: rt to keep the ODA and ODIF folks at bay and was a purely political stunt, not intended to be implemented. When I went ahead and did it, I was not exactly applauded for the effort. The fact that it was /vastly/ more efficient in all respects than the stupid character syntax was /most/ unwelcome by the community."
mircea_popescu: now, that the whole "french people can technology too!" olivetti-document-format went nowhere is, i think, neither surprising nor in anyone's estimation a bad thing ; but divorced from that, the claim that pdf-ttp would have been an improvement ?! wtf is this guy talking about ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 10:18 mircea_popescu: "but mp, work here is intended to mean that the niggers can spawn a replacement society that'll be just as good as the thing they originally pillaged". "sure, and for the same definition of just as good i could replace you all with cultured strep, how about that."
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 11:29 mircea_popescu:
https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3242173964750774@naggum.no.html << take this gem. "The idiot individualist with megalomania will think that others are his inferiors, that people who work in groups never get anything done while he can get a lot done alone." vs "I am far more conscious in general than other people." BITCH WHICH IS IT!!!1
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 09:01 mircea_popescu: sn't, it's because you're from africa and have no past".
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 08:39 diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766177 <- I switched to adacore at some point, when I had enough of all sorts of weird trouble essentially; never had that specific type of problem though
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:41 asciilifeform: funnily enough adacore itself publishes a great many cut-down runtimes for various embedded boxes, e.g.
https://bitbucket.org/tkoskine/embedded-arm-gnat-rts/src . BUT they are not usable: 1) there is -- quite deliberately -- not one targeting conventional userland linux 2) none of them support exception handling, which wouldn't be a problem except that ALL BOUNDS CHECKS ARE EXCEPTIONTRONIC
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
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esthlos: asciilifeform: have any (text)book suggestions for a computer hardware architecture n00b?
esthlos: effectively, electronics are black boxes. I know how to use logic gates to add, store stuff, etc., but only the theory
esthlos: which actually puts me in a position of not _really_ grokking compys
esthlos: this question is turning out hard to answer
shinohai: It may sound retarded, but I learned how XOR and NAND gates work by reading Forrest Mimm books and building the shit on a breadboard.
esthlos: but have no idea wtf my compute is actually _doing_ 99% of the time
esthlos: o course, like you have been saying asciilifeform, it's epicycles. but at least epicycles are a single coherent idea! (i.e. fourier transform)
☟︎ esthlos: I suppose I don't know, then, what i'm misisng. but certainly I couldnt cogently argue why x86 sucks besides 'von neumann lol'
esthlos: i know buzzword, 'register machine'
esthlos: a 6502 sounds like a good project
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 16:48 asciilifeform: there exists ( in the sense where asciilifeform thought of it, but then went to dig in the dusty libraries and discovered ancient tomes ) a thing called 'tta'
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766234 << no dude, he a) doesn't have any fucking idea what he wanted, which is shocking enough, but b) what he SAYS he wanted is nonsense beyond the pale. "images could have traveled in the same stream!!!" says the man whose signature says "hey, i have nigerian scam options in excess of a trillion that i'm not exercising, you can stop sending me more". really ? wtf is wrong with him ?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:23 asciilifeform: gzip was never purpose-built for this. nao picture if it were. naggum, as far as i can tell, wanted a compactly-encoded binform of sexpr as standard, to put plaintextism into its overdue grave.
mircea_popescu: I DO NOT WANT the images to be part of the samestream ; or ANYTHING ELSE. half the time i don't even download the images.
mircea_popescu: html never lost to him ; though the proprietary tardboys keep trying to make it.
mircea_popescu: "really, i don't use it either, but i like to talk about it"
mircea_popescu: no. that's thge superficial analysis. it trades sense for inca, like any urbanism.
mircea_popescu: "get the whole thing before you see what's inside" ie "do not do the thing everyone does to republican log -- parse". that IS what inca is.
mircea_popescu: if i don't get the topstruct and if i can't throw out any up to n-1 elements out of n on my own time, it's broken.
mircea_popescu: and if memory serves his sdif was NOT "structure first, and stream recomposed a la carte"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform different meaning, which is why i used quotes.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall a handshake of this sort. but many years.
mircea_popescu: as the astute reader may have guessed, the plaintext revelation sent /me on an emergency reread of many ancient things.
mircea_popescu: i guess the above was #1 ; but in more general form : how would a PSTP ("plaintext" sexpr transport protocol) actually look ? ie, use sexpr to deliver the above required property.
esthlos: o course, like you have been saying asciilifeform, it's epicycles. but at least epicycles are a single coherent idea! (i.e. fourier transform)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 16:44 esthlos: o course, like you have been saying asciilifeform, it's epicycles. but at least epicycles are a single coherent idea! (i.e. fourier transform)
esthlos: can't find a non-shit irc client
esthlos: and write a bouncer, without 1e6+ features
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mircea_popescu: epicycles are the idea that "i justwant to", which is neither single nor coherent. it is however a simple and comfortable idea.
mircea_popescu: ie, an expectation of ideals, which is to say that ideas may be single or coherent.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766236 << pdf had a very similar "xml-like" containerized notation in the early days adobe was trying to push it on the world. this is what the problems with these samovars is : whether named adobe or olivetti, they're still samovars, and deducing one is harmless because it never got to grow up is at best naive. they all grow up into the same thing if given the chance ; so never give them an
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pdf is a graphics format ( and a quite horrifying one, a corruption of postscript, recall ) not a text. so not the right warcrime for comparison for the french thing
mircea_popescu: which is why discussion with electrum (or any other such tardism) isn't (as the pantsuit aggitators try to make it) carried "on the technical merits". it will be carried in the terms of "those involved are not people, may not touch keyboards, cut their hands and gouge their eyes out".
mircea_popescu: substitute whatever, prb, usg.legalsystem, what have you.
mircea_popescu: the propensiety of K-selected societies to stop beating the dumb wives, and their dumber offspring, permitting puddles of r-defectors to form up (because if no penalty is attached to newjerseysm, newjerseysm becomes very much
http://trilema.com/2010/de-ce-sunt-contra-legalizarii-drogurilor/ style mandatory ) ; then K-selected society collapses under the cost of ever growing afr-ican americans, and then, in the new environment
mircea_popescu: , where the penalty for failure is HUGE, springs up again.
mircea_popescu: there is nothing necessary about this cycle of wasteful idiocy. beat your swedish civilised wife whenever she deos the dumb.
☟︎ mircea_popescu has girl into dungeon room right now. she's smart, educated, competent, and she can still fuck up even so. and when she fucks up...
mircea_popescu: there's a REASON the warcry of the r-selected "new programmer" was "there's no penalty for trying".
mircea_popescu: there's however absolutely no reason to put up with them.
mircea_popescu: adobe, apple, microsoft, olivetti, "the united states of america", "russian revolution", all depersonalized-but-persons corporations.
BingoBoingo appreciates growth of samovar joake into classic
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 02:43 mircea_popescu: to put it in other words : the republic does not deem corporatyions to be persons. a corporation can't owe tax for the exact same reason the united states government can't be sovereign.
BingoBoingo also considered acquiring samovar at the feria today, but decided better. Arepas and baked goods instead.
mircea_popescu: yes, when they decided it is "a goal". there's an exceptional line in mimi, metalurgico ferito nel'onore, where some idiots go "ma figli ce li abbiamo tutti, e c'e chi si fa cazzi di tutti e chi si fa i cazzi suoi!"
BingoBoingo: If 2 doodz spread the candidiasis while spreading the AIDs
mircea_popescu: the moment the "oh, it's a GOAL", oh, "it's above mere people", oh, it's a "Corporation", you got the rot.
mircea_popescu: hump of bell curve may come, but only on knees and naked.
mircea_popescu: hump of bell curve may not come on own terms. or even have terms.
mircea_popescu: which is what the whole "no franchise" thing is all about.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're curious, by the way, the origin of the "corporatization" so to speak is that ancient trick from, if i memory serves, dickens (but could be any other pulp copywriter) : that the visible boss prefers to pretend a silent partner is there disallowing the whatever, so he can have both cake and eat it too (ie, comiserate with worker but not indulge worker idiocy).
mircea_popescu: from here to "we sacrificye for PARTY" is but one step, and it's idiotic step. soviet worked when sacrificed for lenin, for trotsky, for stalin. failed when sacrificed "For party"
mircea_popescu: have the fucking decency to die for another man, not for an imaginary tootpick. a life shouldbe worth at least that much.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this like the trench warfare pantsuit / respectable man discussing the important (for inca) matter of whether there was or there was not personal loyalty involved in the victory in europe ?
mircea_popescu: "war was not won at stalingrad but in sicily" or somesuch nonsense, not by stalin's organon but by bletchley park retcon ?
mircea_popescu: ^ sorry, original had wrong title ; apeloyee pointed out.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:27 asciilifeform: ( it was designed as a general-purpose 'self-describing data' -ikr? - horror , and idea was that it would be edited ~with appropriate tools~ - which unsurprisingly never were invented )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:35 asciilifeform: if yer ancien regime is vulnerable to revolution, it's rotten.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:44 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766223 << i parsed the sentence differently --' idiot individualist' implying the existence of 'smart individualist', who is able to make use of a platoon of hands, rather than be crippled by 'committeeism'
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766252 << jews aside, any view which fails to priviledge the past is irrational inescapably. very much a case of "to have idea -- first must not be idiot". the futurists are all to the last man irrecoverable hipster doofuses, fundamentally incapable of distinguishing anything from anything else.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:47 asciilifeform: imho it is an unappealing and uninteresting pov
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766253 << same reason to do anything at all if we can't hope to overturn bitcoin. what, i'm going to invent periodic numeration systems now so various moderntards can feel euclid ? the idiocy pioneered by pantsuit "computer science" is an absces not a species. it shan't spread to other parts of human culture nor will it manage to hold on to computing, innovation-for-tyhe-sake-of-inca-distrib
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:47 asciilifeform: why do anything at all if 'we cannot hope to beat the old greeks' say.
mircea_popescu: uting-innovator-medals-in-lieu-of-meal-tickets doth not belong. anywhere.
mircea_popescu: you will never fucking reinvent infinitesimal calculus. for one thing, it's fine as it is (you fuck with it, it get heavy, and you still no hit largest side of barn), and for the other fuck you and your psychological needs. you were born late rather than early, if you don't like it should have been born earlier. invent something else or don't, either way.
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766214 should prolly be in here in original, ie : "In most other language communities, having your ideas rejected is no big deal, because you can come up with another one at little extra cost, but if you spent a year designing something super-clever that you really like and which you have used for a long time seeing it trashed viciously (because you refuse to back down and get increasingly h
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 09:02 mircea_popescu: nevertheless -- that the "open source" nonsense was made for new jersey and vice-versa (no, it's NOT TRUE "anyone can contribute", holy shit already, what sort of crapsack world is this to be!), that fare is an immature bitchlet has nothing to do with lone programmers, nor with fucking professionalism.
mircea_popescu: ostile to those who simply did not like your idea to begin with) may be too much for some brittle egos [...] while the Scheme community encourages people to go off and implement their _own_ Scheme, the Common Lisp standard is so big and mature that those who want to reinvent the wheel, or at least a portion of the wheel (like an Arc :), usually fail miserably."
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 19:52 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766238 << this is a lot like "oh, handjob-appropriate tools, we have these leftower early sewing machines". no thanks. if i can't edit by hand it's a binary format.i want source.
trinque: what's the story behind pic btw? guy cut the cable, bit to "read" morse by mouth-shock?
mircea_popescu: the ~NECESSARY~ correlate of "don't say faggot, so the dumb that are also gay do not feel excluded" ; "don't say stuff like
http://trilema.com/2017/the-boundless-burden/ lest you discourage the dumb bulk of womanhood from participating" etc is that EVENTUALLY you will come to "change the language every third year so as not to discourage the dumb from inventing"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that machine is to be an enhancement not a substitute.
mircea_popescu: you'll have to excuse me while i make snese of what's actually left under this lid. so far -- not even a proper word for it.
mircea_popescu: but when i have to tell the machine ~what I want~, as opposed to ~what the world is~, we're lost for sanity.
mircea_popescu: machine has no relation to the world outside of my mercy.
mircea_popescu: the problem essentially is that there's two kinds of people, one of which wants to be relieved of the burden of thought ; for which purpose they invented the jap before they invented microsoft word.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 19:55 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766248 << sadly the author not here to explain ; the view would be sustainable if one could unearth any portion where he unambiguously refers to the proposed other kind of individualist.
mircea_popescu: (jap = jewish american princess, this mythical beast that wants to marry you and once she does you will never have to make a decision ever again)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 19:59 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766252 << jews aside, any view which fails to priviledge the past is irrational inescapably. very much a case of "to have idea -- first must not be idiot". the futurists are all to the last man irrecoverable hipster doofuses, fundamentally incapable of distinguishing anything from anything else.
mircea_popescu: there's no magic number as to WHICH past. but in point of fact past is all there is.
mircea_popescu: sure. im not even persuaded this is any kind of unfortunate.
mircea_popescu: and so on. yes, reification is the (forced, sure, but still) mistake of the drowning.
mircea_popescu: "so many concepts, let's pretend some are our friends"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 20:06 mircea_popescu: you will never fucking reinvent infinitesimal calculus. for one thing, it's fine as it is (you fuck with it, it get heavy, and you still no hit largest side of barn), and for the other fuck you and your psychological needs. you were born late rather than early, if you don't like it should have been born earlier. invent something else or don't, either way.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 20:10 mircea_popescu: ostile to those who simply did not like your idea to begin with) may be too much for some brittle egos [...] while the Scheme community encourages people to go off and implement their _own_ Scheme, the Common Lisp standard is so big and mature that those who want to reinvent the wheel, or at least a portion of the wheel (like an Arc :), usually fail miserably."
mircea_popescu: there's this observation that "the dumb woman's ideal is to live in K-selected society so there's no infibulation or tit pounding ; but that then she personally defects to pursue r-selection". this may or may not be true as applied, but it exists as a trope, the forever wank of the insufficient, be it a dumb woman, a dysfunctional adolescent (the neil simon type, that then "goes to city and becomes his TRUE SELF writing for n
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's his issue with gat anyway, i always thought he was one of the more level headed mid generation lisper folk.
mircea_popescu: he also wrote a lisp-is-faster-than-c item back in the days the microsoft hired hands were pissing all over o'reilly&marc "my middle name is cocksucker" andressen's java
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i'll confess i'm not very impressed with the nonsense. it's one thing to flame some idiot into the ground, but it's not clear to me gat/garrett met the criteria.\
mircea_popescu: "since about say 2010, there's a new generation of programers, whose mantra is “help”, “be positive”. They shy away from negative things, even occasional swearing. I consider them scumbags." <<
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766301 not even terrible ; anyone know how ti invite the dood ?
☝︎ mircea_popescu: (amusingly, if you ask the last years' crop of retards, "things were always that way". perhaps because their inumerate mothers went to yoga classes in the same 1974s and drank smothies)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't see how the linked item supports the theory.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact that's exactly how it works : if you convince the smart folk to be separate and you unite the monkeys into one "state", then yes you get the size disparity problem.
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking idea of republic is to meaningfully unite the smart and destroy the fakeout "unity" of the monkeys.
mircea_popescu: let the monkeys negotiate from this position where they have to explain themselves to my standard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the following situation : something happens.
mircea_popescu: for convenience, let's say it's a big deal. no need to specify what.
mircea_popescu: can you picture the hordes of tv watchers gathering me up and setting up a spectacle (like those inane 1980s lassie-in-court tv productions) whereby some pompous douche ("a judge!!11") asks me to... explain... what happened ?
mircea_popescu: bitch, i'm not explaining jack shit to you. YOU fucking explain to me how exactly you ended up with all this crap.
mircea_popescu: who explains events to whom is the entire construct here. let the dumb explain their dumbness to me.
mircea_popescu: you drive, "cop" gets in the way. does cop explain to you why he got in the way or does cop expect you to explain what it was you were doing to him ?
mircea_popescu: let the ~actual~ 15yos be in the position where they have to explain themselves, and receive in exchange clarifications of the rules and punishments as appropriate.
mircea_popescu: what did you think explanation is, lmao. to MY STANDARD.
mircea_popescu: and for this failure it gets punished out of existence.
mircea_popescu: so i think the correct working of the system is well understood. similarily, that this system is not implemented correctly is also obvious. in this context, gat's one liner is perfectly sensible, what's the problem with it ?
mircea_popescu: the reason smart people condescend to use bad tools is because they have no others. why do we use gnat or gcc ?
mircea_popescu: same reason, gat smiles. "it's because the alternative is..."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently there was also some private acrymony. anyway, the piece reads like the flailing of pantsuit flavours.
mircea_popescu: a) germany won ww2, which is why us is trying to be alt-germany not alt-britain ; and why hitlers' goals (anihilation of british empire) were delivered upon ; b) the war was by very far the best thing that couldf ever have happened to russians, as individual people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, i can't miss that for someone who read and traveled and so on as you say, naggum has a lot of trouble destructuring nubbinisms.
mircea_popescu: that aside, there's a different serious problem : "Joseph Goebbels were _not_ concerned with propaganda towards the Jews. this is an historical fact." is what he says, but he says this in the exact manner of the man he otherplaces despises, "who forms a knowledge without having had the curiosity to study". the reason i even wrote
http://trilema.com/2017/jud-suss/ is ~specifically because~ there's a lot of similar ignoramuses
mircea_popescu: with similar "historical fact". it's in no sense factual, goebbels' jewel, and the item for which he worked his ass off, has jew right in the fucking title.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the remarkable poverty of reference, i'd like at least for the few popitems he uses to be at the fucking least correct!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's true that hitler was a bit of a literalist, and kept liking these barely-cinematic mechanicist pieces of nonsense ; but that doesn't make the opposition stand like he tries to make it stand.
mircea_popescu: suss was exactly 1940. and the hell goebbels had to go through to get the cast (they were famous actors, and more interested in hollywood bux than anything) is a very fine entry point for one to understand just how weak and circumstantial the reich was, and just how much accident and fortune played into the good doctor's work
mircea_popescu: and i find it superlatively dubious that "i have made a study" relies on having reviewed no original materials but read chomsky's as cliffnotes. this is no way to get anywhere, and i suspect a large portion of chomsky detractors are actually almost-intelligent folk who tried to use him in this manner, got hurt in the process, and decided to assign blame, if possible to the tool they misused. chomsky is fine, but not if you're
mircea_popescu: you want to "study goebbels", you're going to review a lot of old celluloid reel, read journals, stuff like that. there's no substitute, wut.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think proposing goebbels is a sort of ziggler-skinner is dismissive to the man.
mircea_popescu: usual anachronism, "this toe sock works great as a soup starter so that's what it was". not THEN it wasn't lel. then it was a complicated thing. such as for isntance, a desire of the new socialist strep to make "culture just as good" as the guys they were trying to replace, landeschnekt and ritters dominating the army.
mircea_popescu: hitler blabbering about how the army betrayed him and shoulda killed them all like stalin (really, it was earlier than stalin time, but you can't say "like trotsky" can you now) is exactly a fruit off of this.
mircea_popescu: bluster and pretense aside, the original socialists were never all that secure in their "reich". at all points coulda ran into some republic and be spulberati off the flow of history exactly like the pantsuit in 2016.
mircea_popescu: (no good equiv to ro "spulbera", it's built out of powder with the italian s' device (svenuto, sfortunato etc) to denote that which wind does to dust and power to incosequentialness)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is entirely no difference between usg pantsuit cca 2015 and germany nazi cca 1933.
mircea_popescu: one didn't make the hitler chancellor ; the other did. it's all.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the history of interwar germany is interesting as a topic of study, rather than a topic of conversational macguffins.
mircea_popescu: "oh if some fucktard who thinks he's a jew because his mother's an idiot says he is holocaustoffended ima say i studied goebbels!!1". wtf already.
mircea_popescu: moreover this whole "oh germany was starving"... dude, it's the 40s. new york was fucking starving, gimme a break. who wasn't starving ?
mircea_popescu: and don't tell me "hey, it's only british empire when we want to pretend like largest in history, it's really its own thing at all other points", ima barf.
mircea_popescu: 1940, kids were malnourished all over the world, the pretense that germany somehow stood out at any point is ridiculous.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 18:15 mircea_popescu: there is nothing necessary about this cycle of wasteful idiocy. beat your swedish civilised wife whenever she deos the dumb.
mircea_popescu: and ESPECIALLY it goes with industrialization, which is to say,attempting to break out of it.
mircea_popescu: the british don't really want to talk about the great potato famine ; and the usg likes to pretend the irish that ran off to new york didn't go through the exact same wringer.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, there comes a time when the poor will be rendered for fat. it's what it is.
mircea_popescu: as if there's a set of recipes to choose from or what ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, but as to the matter at hand, they had a falling out over holocaust social game proper rules!!1
mircea_popescu: ahaha this is epic. josling : " Searching the sgml bib for your name produces 0 hits..." ; naggum : "Why make such a fool of yourself annoying people on purpose? What is /wrong/ with you?
http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/biblio.html" ; we dutifully go check and indeed, grep of that page returns 0 naggums.
mircea_popescu: turns out josling was right ? moreover, even if it HAD returned some naggums... what degree of fool had josling made self ?
mircea_popescu: from naggum's own self-characterization, he was a not-particularily-wanted epicycle in the whole sgml thing. am i missing something ?
mircea_popescu: (this, for the record, was a 60yo at the time stanford guy. "You clearly are clueless and are not at all ashamed to demonstrate it." wrong putdown, seriously now.)
mircea_popescu: but note that i don't give anyone the address to said bookshop if they seem confused as to who they're talking to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole lulz here is that the link the man himself indicates fails to deliver./
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i know why this is, obviously, but the important point is that this is a miserable, second hand knowledge, of ENTIRELY the same substrance as shilbert's.
mircea_popescu: and holy shit the broken, innumerable ways to protect character from parsing...
mircea_popescu: "What can I say? I wasted 6 years of my life on SGML and related technologies only to find that when I wanted to translate my experience and knowledge and significant grasp of this technology into a book that would teach what I had found to others, I had to look real hard at all the braindamaged things that I had been willing to sweep under the carpet and found, to my horror, that SGML, once understood, could not possibly be
mircea_popescu: worse implemented than SGML itself" << man spends six years trying to do useful work in non-#trilema world, discovers at the end of it all that no, his toaster can not be used to toast his own breakfast, thanks for playing, do come again.