mod6 catches up on megal0g
shinohai: During Festivus, for every key phuctored a router gets its wings
☟︎ phf: so stanford release knuth's annual lecture in a "360" video format, and the write up is disgusting "stanford part of the future!!1". basically you get a 7gib video/80mib audio stream, a fraction of which is a distorted slides and knuth, where's the bulk of which is audience and static ceiling. the thing doesn't render on anything but google stack and ipads. i spent about two days jumping through various hoops trying to get it to render
phf: in some usable format (short of installing google chrome of course) and so far "transcoding with a deskew shader" seems like the most viable option ???
phf: i will flatten this shit, or help me god. so far the solution i figured that doesn't require writing code or using dodgy third party software is to use the video as a material texture inside a sphere in blender. with some 3d space camera shuffling i can produce two separate video streams, one of knuth and one of slides, but the result looks like dog so far.
☟︎ phf: guy does hand written transparents mostly or whatever else he can put under an overhead projector
phf: this is more like watching a millenarian speak on a subject of his avocation than anything else
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:00 shinohai: During Festivus, for every key phuctored a router gets its wings
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:51 phf: i will flatten this shit, or help me god. so far the solution i figured that doesn't require writing code or using dodgy third party software is to use the video as a material texture inside a sphere in blender. with some 3d space camera shuffling i can produce two separate video streams, one of knuth and one of slides, but the result looks like dog so far.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:52 asciilifeform: he didn't release the raw slides ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:58 phf: this is more like watching a millenarian speak on a subject of his avocation than anything else
mod6: All in all, I agree that blobs do not belong in a vpatch. As stated, they are for readable, grokable, text only.
mod6: That said, I'm not positive what is a favorable solution to this. For me, I guess I would have considered a disjointed genesis. All code in a genesis.vpatch, plus a comment in the code or README.txt file that points to a clearsigned, base64 encoded deed of the (repeatably extractabale) binary (image in this case).
mod6: I support no such futher complixity in V/vdiff to deal with these blobs. No one-offisms, etc.
phf: fwiw that solution works reasonably with btcbase (right now it's not used, but it picks up a README from each patches folder and cats it inline before the graph, so i can add a "here's all the additional stuff that you might need for this v tree")
☟︎ phf: you verify vpatch using its sig, you verify additional assets using their sig. you can't verify that the set is exhaustive though
☟︎ mircea_popescu: bundling data with code is a serious problem ; the v model brings it in a very sharp focus
mircea_popescu: (i've been running into a version fo this in eulora too ; with the art assets)
phf: fwiw it's the same with wordpress
phf: it didn't but even mp-wp has a bunch of admin interface images. magnifying glass, scissors, that sort of stuff
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 03:49 phf: you verify vpatch using its sig, you verify additional assets using their sig. you can't verify that the set is exhaustive though
mircea_popescu: including data with the code is a nightmare not least because it puts state into things
mircea_popescu: "oh, THIS leaf doesn't go with THAT datapile! gotta use THAT' datapile! except if you feed THAT' datapile to THIS' leaf it comes alive at night and fucks your wife!"
mircea_popescu: i fear the only way forward is for data to be base64'd, deedbotted, and then referenced as such in code.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 03:46 phf: fwiw that solution works reasonably with btcbase (right now it's not used, but it picks up a README from each patches folder and cats it inline before the graph, so i can add a "here's all the additional stuff that you might need for this v tree")
ben_vulpes: i also have no suggestions for fixing your problem, asciilifeform
BingoBoingo suggests relaxing session of whittling with a sawzall to clear mind, shame microfiche can't be clearsigned.
Framedragger: shinohai: s/Palyrma/Palmyra/ (1st sentence) :) (also not sure if you wanted Months to be capitalised but maybe stylistic pref)
Framedragger just placed an order for FG-USB and feels very christmas-y!
Framedragger: (a rather decent bitcoin invoicing interface btw)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 04:05 asciilifeform: reactor melted
mircea_popescu: also the reason your handmade netlist is not usable is ~same svg is not usable : too long.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: they're the same length however, and for the same reason : item too complex.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, it was simple when i made it" "yes, if i define three letter strings as various pieces of literature, i'll be able to "write" whole books by saying agafufu. so what of it."
mircea_popescu: Framedragger unlike to make it before jan tho. sorry bout that.
Framedragger: 'tis what i figured :) my christmasy spirit will not be diminished, tho!
Framedragger: btw i'm going thru those ssh banners from ssh scan logs finally, and there's some inconsistent crap there (thanks openssh): same ip&port may respond with two different banners during same scan (the ssh-keyscan utility may spit banners for same server multiple times). it seems usually the mismatch is in adding a minor version onto ssh server string only (e.g. [SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.8] vs. older [SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.8p2])
Framedragger: but it also does shit like [SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5] vs. older [SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-4ubuntu5]
Framedragger: imma dump all this in a nice format now, i'll separate OS string from ssh versionstring i guess
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: nono - sorry for confusing - "older" as in "previously seen in same logfile", it's for my internal use so i don't go insane. all of this is from single scan even in 13-14 june.
mircea_popescu: ah. because boxes with the various "autoupdate" things mya do that.
Framedragger: the later "rescan" only added previously-unseen IPs, + new IPs. same ip was never scanned twice, assuming it already spat out a banner and pubkey the first time.
Framedragger: i guess as long as everything's stored in a sane manner and format, it's no big diff.
Framedragger: i guess the scanned banners could go into a separate "scans" table with timestamps / scan event numbers, so that one could JOIN and check multiple banners for ip, especially when i plan to later re-scan everything again, etc.
mircea_popescu: this is becoming quite the autonomous "net awareness" item.
mircea_popescu: lol /me googles "nabt", first result ? national association of biology teachers (this site may be hacked).
Framedragger: yeah, would be great to have ssl certs etc all in the same place, timestamped, so one could track history, to an extent. (and then be able to offer realtime scans and alerts as a service, say...)
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it that those supposedly ubervaluable engineers that don't exist anywhere else and can't be replicated (as per microsoft idiot) nevertheless DO NOT COMPREHEND the difference between the present conditional and the pluperfect conditional.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it may be, it might have been, whatever the fuck, same thing.
mircea_popescu: then they choose to write in brainfuck and everybody goes "oh, brainfuck, modern language" rather than "oh, these idiots can't even speak english."
mircea_popescu: one fucking step away from "this site maybe hacking, we here at google al-halala, no hack, no hack at all sir!"
Framedragger has a guess that many 'native speaker' derps can get confuzzled when encountering future perfect ("will have hacked")
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em. they want to get into engineering school, first they acquire literacy in their mother tongue what the everliving fuck might this have had being!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 13:10 mircea_popescu: also the reason your handmade netlist is not usable is ~same svg is not usable : too long.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 13:38 mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it that those supposedly ubervaluable engineers that don't exist anywhere else and can't be replicated (as per microsoft idiot) nevertheless DO NOT COMPREHEND the difference between the present conditional and the pluperfect conditional.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but irrespective, it's for the same ~reason~.
mircea_popescu: a svg also "can not be longer than the total line count"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which of the two thises are you inquiring about ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no! they aren't garbage, as you sdaid yourself - nobody would want to see the netlist, because they'd want to see the "unofficial" LINES.
mircea_popescu: exactly. so no, the svg lines aren't garbage - on the contrary, unlike netlist, interesting.
mircea_popescu: some dork named danluu was raving on about how microsoft sucks because google got all the engineers that exist.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 03:29 mircea_popescu: "What would Lucene at Google’s size look like? If we do a naive back of the envelope calculation on what it would take to index a significant fraction of the internet (often estimated to be 1 trillion (T) or 10T documents), we might expect a 1T document index to cost something like $10B1. That’s not a feasible startup, so let’s say that instead of trying to index 1T documents, we want to maintain an artisanal search ind
mircea_popescu: in proper terms : even the empire figured out the incredibly tenuous position of google, who a) provides no useful service and b) survives exactly out of yahoo-style ponzi scheme (as described by paul graham, one of its architects pre dot com bubble)
mircea_popescu: so you know, they're doing their patriotic duty to pretend so as to create the aggregate dogvomit upon which "nobody could have predicted" in case there's any responsibility to allocate later.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 14:24 asciilifeform: it occurs to me that one could write a 'garbage compactor' for these
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 20:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i could readily reduce the svg if you wish, most of it is dreamweaver-style pointless tagging
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 14:58 mircea_popescu: so you know, they're doing their patriotic duty to pretend so as to create the aggregate dogvomit upon which "nobody could have predicted" in case there's any responsibility to allocate later.
mircea_popescu: except when we wanted eg framedragger's data we had to crawl ourselves, yes ?
mircea_popescu: whenever i actually want data i have to crawl myself but people go around saying "google is the only working search engine"
mircea_popescu: yes dude, if you want wikipedia answers for wikipedia user's interests it's fucking great!
mircea_popescu: oh, but when i want stuff from the log i also don't google
mircea_popescu: it also doesn't do anything, because yes srsly, i don't need to "google trump" to find trump's facebook page.
mircea_popescu: !~google "at any rate, talk to the old trotskyists, mats , they might help."
mircea_popescu: !#s "at any rate, talk to the old trotskyists, mats , they might help."
mircea_popescu: it "does" except not this not that and not the other. which is the fucking point.
mircea_popescu: yes, i'm aware it can point me to google's facebook. tyvm it never seems to be a practical need i have.
mircea_popescu: No results found for "at any rate, talk to the old trotskyists, mats , they might help.". << via the web interface
mircea_popescu: "for banal www as long as i don't look for things anyone in the libertard camp may object to, conceivably"
mircea_popescu: you can pretty much guess what % of imbeciles make up a site's userbase by what % come via search.
mircea_popescu: "you can pretty much guess what % of imbeciles make up an old, established site's userbase by what % come via search."
mircea_popescu: don't start too soon. we've not yet the manpower or infrastructure to do a google.
mircea_popescu: the tmsr situation is very much like, space ship landed on new planet, there's a few people and tech of unspeakable power, and otherwise a bunch of shamanic tribes on the surface. fuckable, but that's about all, their ooga-ooga language is fucking tiresome.
Framedragger: uci == universal computing interface? something something infrastructure on demand at your irc fingertips, right (ironically google is failing me)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: inbcidentally asciilifeform as per that discussion of how much it costs to index etc, phuctor is a total google poison.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 15:13 mircea_popescu: somehow however i don't seem to ever want that.
mircea_popescu: basically tries to figure out how links work to fuck with it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i ran into problem trying to get mm6 to run on wine ; error message search (R6034 !) yielded NOTHING USEFUL. just endless pile of imbeciles doing the usual imbecile thing "oh, you got that ? so did i. i heard johnny also did or had a friend who did hey have you tried washing hands?"
mircea_popescu: and on like that forever. i long ago despaired of trying to google error messages.
mircea_popescu: but this isn't my point. go ahead, search yourself, it's just a pile of the usual chickens doing their usual chicken crrr-crrrr-crrrrrkkkk!
mircea_popescu: anyway, i got it flattened into shape, but because debugging the videocard not because googling the web.
mircea_popescu: for the record, in my experience a good HALF of wine errors encountered in practice (man wants to play the games from the times when games were worth playing) are...
mircea_popescu: BAD DIRECTORY STRUCTURE. no, might and magic 6 is NOT HAPPY to find itself in a directory including spaces, ampersands and unicode's mother on a stick.
mircea_popescu: (lasts, not because chickens will become xilinx fans, but because the last people who know how it works will die, and then their writings will... BE MOVED TO NEW DIRECTORIES. and that's that.)
Framedragger: hah that reminds me, i'm too young to properly remember but after looking into this i've concluded that best 3d audio was in 90s (before creative labs patent-trolled aureal semiconductor). (maybe i already ranted about this).
Framedragger: (it's sorta-kinda seeing a revival, with folks doing HRTF etc on bare CPU without need for audio chip accelerated whatever, but i believe there's still a.. niche. for someone whoever realizes that graphics isn't everything, etc.)
mircea_popescu: and this sort of shit exists because microsoft exists.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right. because usg always says the same thing.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger socialist government is socialist government. you will find all its parts always everywhere it is.
mircea_popescu: there's no "i have a rat infestation but my rats have only the front paws and left ear"
mircea_popescu: before that, it was just this fastidious piece of crap which dumbasses ran to play solitaire
mircea_popescu: then those dumbasses got impregnated, and delivered, and those dumbass offspring run shitsoup to play unicode.
mircea_popescu: it's also ~when i stopped paying any attention. last time i played games as they came out was 1999/2000
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: should solidify the evidence that dope dealing is a great financier of the cash variety
thestringpuller: well you could deal sneakers...but the market depth isn't very large
thestringpuller: well the morphine and cocaine markets are more of a smuggling game......
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but interesting window into historic scale
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not yet, will take apart later. Perhaps it is the mispellings, however funny. Illiteracy is popular among spamzors.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly happened, usg is primarily known as a drug dealing criminal organisation.
thestringpuller: mod6: "How a nigga gonna stay drug free, when Georgia Power won't give a nigga lights free"
mircea_popescu: at least back in the day when it was called "british empire".
mats: white people have moved from enslaving a generation of chinese males with opium to ...
mats: enslaving a generation of white males with opium
pete_dushenski: thus all the fuss about fentanyl, which runs along the lines of "it's so potent and so profitable and killing all our youfs!", behind which the obvious inference is that only the state should be profiting and killing youths.
pete_dushenski: it's branded as 'evil chinese opiod flooding in from kongkouver port' around here. so like reverse opium warz, ie. non-round eyes fiatolistas are profiting and this is a Bad Thing.
mircea_popescu: sure they were. from afghanistan to vietnam, all through.
pete_dushenski: 2001 was a dismal year for opium exports from afghanistan
mircea_popescu: yeah, turns out they tried to do an "arab oil shock", didn't work out
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 14:25 asciilifeform: discretized the floats, round the thicknesses to 2 places, etc
phf: but notably colorforth CAD that chuck moore wrote is all discrete units for these very reasons (there's a writeup somewhere in the CF pile)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 15:18 asciilifeform: then i suppose the rot - continues. rotten, maggoty google is still the closest thing i know of to working search engine for www...
phf: minimal helping hand is the kind of stuff you would manually do to an autorouted schematic, i.e. explicit xy placement for some of the components. algo can simply unpin each component in order and see if autolayout still results in same placement, in which case the explicit coordinate is unnecessary
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very possible dawg, just wot-index the web.
mircea_popescu: stuff that wasn't linked by anyone linked by anyone in l doesn't exist anyway.
mircea_popescu: (conversely : search is a political tool, nothing else. "i just want to" jwz doesn't exist in practice)
mircea_popescu: i've long ago decided stuff isn't going to be built to satisfy you ; but over your hairpulling objections.
trinque: itt alf shouts things we all know
phf: asciilifeform: in the worst case is there more required than a w/h for each defcomponent, x/y for each make-instance component and (list (x y) ...) for eah make-instance route?
mircea_popescu: nobody wants anything. the google i use will be l-distance based and that's all.
trinque: there was a thread on how to approach the search problem, awaiting some intrepid guy yet.
mircea_popescu: the point is - features do not appear TO satisfy. they appear BECAUSE we can.
mircea_popescu: if you can use l-distance search, good for you. if you can't, use google. if you can't, you're fucked.
mircea_popescu: we're going towards it, what with the slowly growing log processing.
phf: asciilifeform: this goes back to the books thread we had long time ago. in-wot solution should exist and be up to tmsr standards. but if you're going to search for books in irradiated library ruins you just have to accept that you have to wear a hazmat and that you might get raped by feral locals.
trinque: iirc asciilifeform is using pg.
trinque: whole world is doomed to be rewritten.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this whole "google finds thing" is very much of the nature of "i couldn't get dxf to print ON ANYTHING svg conversion IS IMPOSSIBLE" etc.
mircea_popescu: alf fictitious world built out of alf confusing his habit with teh werld.
trinque: you sink with the littoral you have
mircea_popescu: yeh, i get it, it "works for you". very good, but very irrelevant also.
mircea_popescu: back to the much more interesting thing of "minimal helping hand" :
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 16:28 asciilifeform: oh in re: 'golden 1990s': i recently contemplated making a game-playing box to 'unwind' with, and looked into where to get a decent flying-joystick. and apparently the best ones were made in 1990s, and today sought after, and rare...
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the source of complexity in all this ?
mircea_popescu: i mean... we pay $$$ to generate rng. how did the computer generate 5mb to pad what alf declares "minuscle" ?
phf: asciilifeform: going back to my previous question though
mircea_popescu: <phf> asciilifeform: in the worst case is there more required than a w/h for each defcomponent, x/y for each make-instance component and (list (x y) ...) for eah make-instance route? <
phf: to make a pcb out of a netlist, at worst case you need w/h of component, x/y placement of component, a list of x/y coords for each route (to indicate turns)? or there's something that i'm missing?
mircea_popescu: basically what he said + 3 specific elements (bus, via, hole)
phf: a bus is a track (what i called route) that's reused by multiple components , and if track has coordinates for meanders and thickness you're there
phf: right, you kind of run into the fact that you have to have a set of CAD primitives underneath :/
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly and i guess unhelpfully, i'm wondering if once specified as above, you don't also get a router for cheap (through implementing a sort of physics where routes attract each other and are repulsed by things etc)
phf: that approach to routing is also described in SCHEME81 paper
mircea_popescu: and MOTHERFUCKING IDIOTS in this world! why the FUCK did argentina have to make "its own" power plug scheme, and for that matter why the fruck does usb exist! there are two types of connectors in this world - those who you can plug not looking and those who, no matter what you do, you CAN NOT plug not looking at them!
mircea_popescu: eu style plug with the rounded prongs slides in by itself. this inept lamellar bs does not
phf: (in random luls, since btcbase doesn't track renames for the longest time i thought that we had an actual "oglafbot" running. i saw BingoBoingo post an update a few times and wondered "what happened to oglafbot")
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, symmetry isn't even it. must be ~self-guiding~.
phf: i'm curious about this accelerated rate of emacs shittification. it's like there's new of some or other modernization every other week
mircea_popescu: phf the "now has!" "it's not clear what the thing it "has" is GOING TO do" is already 100% graham-retardation
phf: representative zaretskis delivering on election promises of догоним и перегоним
mircea_popescu: in other news i got everything working : mm6, 7, planescape torment, the works.
trinque: the fuck is emacs going to do with *entirely blocking* threads ?
☟︎ phf: 25% increase in yield since last year! all participant developers are awarded national medal of yield increasing worker initiative!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 21:44 trinque: the fuck is emacs going to do with *entirely blocking* threads ?
trinque: yeah I know, the "gevent" model, or javascript XHR for another shining example
trinque: emacs already has async external processes
trinque: dunno what else will be feeding my emacs tons of IO
trinque: abominable window manager too, except idem
trinque is guilty of living in emacs, but does not need this pretend concurrency
ben_vulpes: antpool again with the weirdo block size variance
mircea_popescu has been playing planescape wiff gurl, cares not of the troubles of this world from his cloud o' bliss