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asciilifeform: who even was that
asciilifeform digs in l0gz
asciilifeform: aa 'china'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766691 << it's not wholly unlike the old mpex.xyz dnsolade that today points to 'buy cardanocoin NAO!' etc ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 22:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole lulz here is that the link the man himself indicates fails to deliver./
asciilifeform looks at the corpse of bitbet, with some suprise finds that it does not ~yet~ contain one of these
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658672 << example of subj ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 20:25 jurov: wtf http://mpex.co/history_of_bitcoin_stock_exchanges.html
mircea_popescu: lel
mircea_popescu: note that it's not me saying that ; for that matter i dun much link the vandalized mircea_popescu wikipedia page or any other such nonsense.
asciilifeform: earlier this (?) yr, possibly it was from prod from mircea_popescu , asciilifeform removed a buncha folx from blogroll pg ... for being dead
asciilifeform: ( oddly enuff some of the dead people, have working www, and the live people -- not , go figure )
mircea_popescu: i did a bunch of that too, discovered that out of 10k websites, ~0 remain
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun think it was vandalized yet when naggum was alive and pointing to it
asciilifeform: or was it
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: minor lulz at the perishable nature of the hyper-tard-transfer-protocol ended up a major topic. i just snickered en passant!
asciilifeform: me neither. archaeology is a science of the sad and destroyed.
mircea_popescu: wasn't he working on exactly this not happening by his own account ?
asciilifeform: and yes naggum is buried in cement partly on account of the shattering of bridge that he himself had a hand in building
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: this was more or less always part of the tragedy of the d00d
asciilifeform: upstack : iirc nelson wanted a perma-storage-net . in 1970 . to this day we dun have it, because -- apparently -- too expensive ? or how else to explain that folx still whine from having to store 1(decimal-)MB per 10min
mircea_popescu: anyway, the principal problem is that he's not very good at arguing ; neither from a helping the preopinent nor from a produce useful record perspective. these are the two principal goals of conversation, i can scarcely imagine a third.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fundamental problem is that only the elite have any use for history ; the plebs generally want a "start over tomorrow" world.
asciilifeform: they sure do.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514935 << see also ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 19:59 mircea_popescu: but it's certainly quite deep. the vermin doesn't merely aim to a comfortable existence, but more importantly to a memory-less situation.
mircea_popescu: indeed the zek paradise is very much that "loose shoes and warm place to shit in" historical african's paradise : if they could pick up a new woman every night and she'd be gone after cooking lunch every day ; if they had to drive to a new place to start work every monday ; if there was always a new beer in the cafeteria and a new show on tv with a new identical blondy lead... scl
asciilifeform: not convinced of this. zek is also very much creature of habit
asciilifeform: the new beer has to be substantially old.
mircea_popescu: yes, but structural repetition with "novel" form.
mircea_popescu: same blondy, new blondy.
trinque: the "born again in cheesus christ" thing points right to it
asciilifeform: oldwine in newbottle aha
mircea_popescu: hence all the "revolution" bs. o really, revolution in programming ?
asciilifeform: trinque: afaik that's generally a 1shot thing, neh
mircea_popescu: nah, can do it every other weekend
trinque: grants magical perpetual reborning
mircea_popescu: many churchlets.
asciilifeform: but do they ?
trinque: that's what the nightly sorries are about
mircea_popescu: i dunno. maybe. they do host "revivals" as a rthing
asciilifeform: i thought that was an empty token tho
mircea_popescu: aaanyways, in other lulz, poor shop here in poor quarter, "se reparan zapatos ; clinica de ropa ; jesu christo vive."
asciilifeform: lol clinica de ropa
mircea_popescu: term of art here
asciilifeform: sooo it's true, the fungus is eating ye olde catholistans ?
mircea_popescu: the catholocism-in-orclang IS the fungus to begin with.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform lives in a 'spanish' part of town , and was quite surprised to learn that most of the folx on his street go yes to church but no not to catholic church
asciilifeform: re orclang , that's when it fell down neh.
asciilifeform: '70s
mircea_popescu: just about.
mircea_popescu: you mean 1270s ?
asciilifeform: vatican2
asciilifeform: 1970s
mircea_popescu: sometime between the two
shinohai: Most of the dumb Indian hispanics from Central America around here go to evangelical churches, Mexis the majority Catholic here.
mircea_popescu: anyway, more generally, the idea that "the people" are some sort of thing, and to be catered to, IS the fungus.
asciilifeform still not certain that anybody actually believes in 'thepeople' , rather than pretending to
asciilifeform: it's a mirage , like the other one touched on today, the concrete-thefuture
mircea_popescu: distinction without a difference ; do children believe in nightmares or merely pretend to, or merely the misfunctioning of their undeveloped brain conflates two things ?
asciilifeform: nfi
mircea_popescu: nor will we find out , nor will it matter.
asciilifeform: right after we find out how many, after all, angels fit on the pin.
ben_vulpes: unrelated to anything, i recently had the most amusing experience with a "bitcoin cash" wallet where it *insisted* on creating a zero-satoshi output.
shinohai: lol ben_vulpes which wallet was it?
ben_vulpes: "electron cash"
ben_vulpes: shoulda been the simplest possible transaction in the world, one output summing to the value of all wallet inputs less explicityly set miner fee.
ben_vulpes: it's what, 2018, and the people pushing altcoins are still struggling with arithmetic.
mircea_popescu: hard to fix anything by copy-pasting ancient windows ware.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: do you remember the article where you said something like "or the entrepreneurs will win and then there will be a decade of hedge funds making a killing on the opaque altcorn market before we kill them all slowly"?
mircea_popescu: yes. linked recently, http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#selection-117.0-117.160
ben_vulpes: tyyyyy
mircea_popescu: my pleasure.
mircea_popescu: this "emacs / xemacs reconciliation" is a tiresome painful fucking read. why the fuck would anyone consider merging xt in emacs ?! what is wrong with these people.
asciilifeform: xt?
mircea_popescu: i gather it to be the x toolkit thingee ?
mircea_popescu: like qt pre qt, i guess.
asciilifeform tried to use it eons ago, barfed mightily
asciilifeform: i think i have the book still, propping up some piece of furniture
mircea_popescu: basically, a principled "emacs does not want or need window-decorations gtfo" out of rms would have been a lot better than his inept dithering
mircea_popescu: what does he imagine that he gains brownie points with someone somewhere for "cooperate" ? ffs.
asciilifeform: xemacs has 0 to do with the emacs e.g. asciilifeform today runs under x11.
asciilifeform: 0.
asciilifeform: it's a bitcoincash of trad emacs.
asciilifeform: i thought there was a thread re subj.
mircea_popescu: the original discussion cca 1993 was centered around this\
asciilifeform: buncha derps in 1990s ran off to mikehearn emacs, back in the day. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the trad emacs worxfine under x11 , since asciilifeform was a student, and prolly before
asciilifeform: i even have colour in it ( purely for personal enjoyment , repainted to resemble ye olde borland turbo )
mircea_popescu: anyway, very much systemd-"debate"-in-a-can
asciilifeform: xemacs was actually the first systemdism i ever ran into head on
asciilifeform: i asked 'what is this, why there are 2 emacses on this box'
asciilifeform: brother said sumthinglike 'here's the emacs and here's the taiwan emacs'
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/color-emacs.jpg << photo, for the curious
mircea_popescu: my borland was thicker font
asciilifeform: noshit
asciilifeform: mine too, given that it lived in 80x25 and used the spiffy nonscalable vga font
mircea_popescu: in fact, i'm generally unhappy with the thin fonts everywhere. terms and borland back in the day had touched greatness wrt glyph thickness
asciilifeform: yes!!
asciilifeform: i fiddled with this nonsense for ages and gave up.
asciilifeform: living without good font even nao.
mircea_popescu: i generally set up everything to more or less correct proportions, at terrible cost
mircea_popescu: there's a screencap of my yahoo messenger config in this vein floating about somewhere even
asciilifeform: i could prolly spend rest of life fighting with the font config and still not get anything as comfortable as dos font.
asciilifeform: ( tried many times to manually rasterize it to fit my display, result was always shit , perhaps my hands grow from arse, or perhaps not actually possible )
asciilifeform: if anybody's ever pulled it off, i'd like to hear about it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575064 << thread. seealso. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:06 asciilifeform: of all the plagues discussed in this thread, i'd say fonts are the mildest, it is at this very minute quite trivial to operate a machine with 2-3 fonts installed , with ~0 surgery
asciilifeform: err,http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575068 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:08 asciilifeform: incidentally 'scalable font' technology was imho a failure:
asciilifeform: imho lispm font was also notbad , https://www.ifis.uni-luebeck.de/~moeller/symbolics-info/development-environment/debugger.gif
asciilifeform: but again cannot be made to look proper on arbitrary display.
mircea_popescu: meh, too thin and sans. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i prefer the classic vga fat chars also.
mircea_popescu: https://winworldpc.com/res/img/screenshots/20-cb5d8e11ea5ade2ec05bb6c76ff7895d-Borland%20CPP%202.0%20-%20About.png < item
asciilifeform: aha iet
asciilifeform: it
mircea_popescu: come to think of it the gold on blue worked well too
asciilifeform: nuffin to do with borland per se tho, it's the standard vga 80x25 font
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist << turned up this. prolly moar than anybody cares to know re subj.
mircea_popescu: i can;t fucking believe jwz and daveg are seriously discussing doubleclicking wiuth the spacebar
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with people.
asciilifeform: waiwaat
asciilifeform: where
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/apJyi#selection-8223.1-8223.153
asciilifeform: nuts.
mircea_popescu: basically, technocucks so fucking petrified of their emotions and the structure of power, they will retreat into bikeshedding as a comfortable substitute for sanity.
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, before you reinvent the wheel you should read the other things other people did before" "motherfucking hell what if I CAN NOT READ THESE PEOPLE!"
asciilifeform: these people have about as much to do with the actual history of Things People Did Before (tm) as the bird shit on the hood of my car has with the engine.
mircea_popescu: really, you're striking david gillespie ?
asciilifeform: do i know who that is ?
mircea_popescu: lisp guy.
asciilifeform looks in ancient notes...
mircea_popescu: cl.el etc
asciilifeform: loox like he write some emacsola
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: not exactly archimedes.
asciilifeform: if not him -- next d00d would've.
asciilifeform: iirc jwz also wrote sumthing or other.
asciilifeform: and esr. etc
mircea_popescu: so sgml is a flaming pile of shit, oda is a waste of paper and i even read french, what exactly are these wheels one's supposed to not reinvent ?
asciilifeform: sexpr... 1958
asciilifeform: pretty much last time anyffingrelevant happened.
mircea_popescu: isn't this definitionally what naggum proposes one not do ?
mircea_popescu: "go back to basics and start over" ?
asciilifeform: sure is. observe where it got him.
asciilifeform: d00d thought he lived in something like a working civilization, worth preserving, etc
asciilifeform: turns out!
mircea_popescu: so tell me how is pstp going to work without a gns to reference container content names ?
asciilifeform: this is already bridge too far
mircea_popescu: ok, tell me how an article on trilema'd look.
asciilifeform: i expect very similar to how already loox.
mircea_popescu: ie, html ?
asciilifeform: i thought q was re external appearance to naked eye.
mircea_popescu: i'm not asking how it'd be rendered, it god damn ed be rendered the same. im asking...
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: answering this q would require having solved several fundamental problems that asciilifeform has not solved yet.
asciilifeform: i'd read mircea_popescu's take on it. or for that matter trinque's, iirc he had one buried in a desk drawer
mircea_popescu: lmao so after stringing along "oh, we have spent so much, we hope to still work together, tell us how" for a year, gabriel is like "Unfortunately, GNU Emacs 19 is not constructed following modern programming practice - even though there are procedural interfaces to some functionality groups, one could not say that abstraction boundaries are maintained. The mish-mash of data structures is just too clumsy and incoherent to make
mircea_popescu: life for the maintainer easy. This is proven by the fact that Arceneaux was unable to add the extensions we needed to an early version of GNU Emacs 19 given somewhat over a year's time to do it and by the fact that it has taken you and Blandy so long to get GNU Emacs 19 out.
mircea_popescu: We believe that the merge in the other direction is the proper way to do things, and this is the course we shall pursue. There are things that you have done to GNU Emacs 19 that are good, and we believe that the best way to proceed is to clean them up and put them in Lucid Emacs 19. Maintainability is important to us because even though GNU Emacs 19 has no warranty, we must support a warranty on our commercial product which i
mircea_popescu: ncludes Lemacs as a component.
mircea_popescu: I think this is not a good outcome for the Emacs user community, and I hate to have to criticize the implementation of GNU Emacs 19, but at some point clean code and good structure counts more than a false sense of parsimony, and that point has been reached."
mircea_popescu: well thank you bitch, you ~could~ have said this a year ago and saved everyone the hassle. o wait, cuz needed to appear all humble and shit for a year to poach users / devs i see i see.
asciilifeform: it gets worse. much worse.
mircea_popescu: it's like watching middle class single parent 12 yos at work, mendacious manipulative little shits that imagine their nonsense is entirely opaque to anyone and everyone.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in ~principle~ a container could tell you what class of procedure it wants to be eaten by ; and gns could tell you which v-trees implement it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu nailed this one in an old article which presently escapes me. a buncha shoemakers are missing apprentices , whole buncha streets are missing their sweepers, while the jwzs birdshit on software
mircea_popescu: well this is richard gabriel. which...
mircea_popescu: (original lucid guy, and other things)
asciilifeform: aha, he is interesting case
asciilifeform: had some sort of lisp-related nervous break
asciilifeform: decided he is 'poet' after that.
asciilifeform actually obtained and tried to read d00d's b00ks...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-09#1339543 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-12-09 11:38 mircea_popescu: http://dreamsongs.com/ <<< how to be retarded. today, richard "i don't have a name and i was born without a face, here's some salmon background" gabriel.
asciilifeform: him aha
asciilifeform: 100% imho writeoff. went mad.
mircea_popescu: lotta that going around.
mircea_popescu: anyway, so : a container could tell you it's a document, and it contains a text, a song and a picture. should that container end up on a list of things you're interested in, your client could then look up what to do with documents, and how to parse texts, songs and images.
mircea_popescu: then it could tell you "well, here's that thing you wanted in a browser, because that's where it says it goes, and we couldn't process the song part because nobody you trust signed an implementation of anything on the list of song things, but the text is there as per so-and-so-textizer signed by x y and z"
asciilifeform: this is roughly what the xml people tried to do
mircea_popescu: and everyone else.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: most recently bastardized by the urbit folx
asciilifeform: but it comes back, more or less continuously, like daedal's wings
mircea_popescu: "and the image is in the list of things you don't want so we omitted that also"
mircea_popescu: and indeed, management of the implicit semantics in all this will be the end of the world.
trinque worked under a semantic-web-head for about 4-5yrs, built several incarnations of this kind of meta-browser monstrosity
trinque: dunno it ends up being any more complicated than existing DHTs but for the urge to make a giant, complex, systemdtron with myriad ways of describing the same things.
asciilifeform: trinque: put it in writing pleeeez?
trinque: not nearly ready
asciilifeform: really gotta write these things
asciilifeform: or they get lost
trinque: plenty of bad implementations already written
asciilifeform: not proggy !
asciilifeform: the war story
mircea_popescu: trinque the disaster i perceive is this : that a) the worst world is to have a lot of ad-hoc implementation of sexpr-datastructs but b) the cheapest way is a and c) the complete construction is unachievable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform noodling phase yet, dun worry, nothing in my hand will get lost.
mircea_popescu: let's put this in different terms : the happiest life is, empty planet, where man can go picking berries / quals/womenz as he feels inclined. everything fits well and all is good. the necessary correlate is that the petri dish slowly fills, at which point incompatibles will result in perpetual war and strife. all is not so good.
mircea_popescu: the evident macro-solution would be to construct a filling of the petri dish out of non-overlapping parts, but a) this will bother everyone if only a little bit, by cramping their style and b) thje development and maintenance cost for this is the textbook example of http://trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/
mircea_popescu: ie, the onme thing everyone wants to defect.
asciilifeform: errybody wants 'the ecstasy but not the laundry', newsat11
mircea_popescu: systems where this applies are definitionally broken.
asciilifeform: i dun think i've been to the planet where they keep the nonbroken ones yet
mircea_popescu: let's look at it again.
mircea_popescu: so gns is basically just a lengthy registrar of assignments, a=b sorta thing, signed by keys.
mircea_popescu: there's no obligation on anyone to maintain any particular portion of it, or to communicate it to anyone -- can be run locally just as well (in practice, equiv rto "only trust my signature").
mircea_popescu: this much can be implemented without bothering anyone. right ?
trinque nods
asciilifeform: already implemented as buncha specialcases, neh ( e.g. v )
mircea_popescu: or deedbot. okay. moving on.
mircea_popescu: v is basically just a lengthy pile of code trees, made out of patches also signed by keys ; in practice its coinvolved with the v-application, which can press etc, but let's here distinguish.
mircea_popescu: as for the gns above, no obligation.
mircea_popescu: this idem already exists, and is not getting in anyone's way.
mircea_popescu: now let's look at how things work. mircea_popescu decides one day he wants to find out about sgml, and therefore instructs his client.
asciilifeform brb
mircea_popescu: 2. the client queries whichever gns it is configured to, and inquires as to contacting machines which hold data related to this item. it receives a list of them, on the basis of what signatures mircea_popescu told it to trust signed.
mircea_popescu: it then proceeds to, for every item on that list,
mircea_popescu: 3. open link to machine, explain what it is it wants, get an answer in the form of "here's a list of document containers, which do you want". it explains which it wants (such as "all" or w/e) and it gets a container containing them. maybe it's gzipped or whatever.
mircea_popescu: 4. in all cases, a container consists of a tag and binary data ; the tag section of the gns tells it what v trees are acceptable applications upon that data.
mircea_popescu: 5. client proceeds to build what it can (if set to, and as per signatures again) and present the pile. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in this way, someone who wants to read unicode will accept containers of that type and have in his seals sigs of people who wrote such a tree ; and who wants to see (what now is) .avi or .gif or etc similarily.
mircea_popescu: ie, the whole thing can be built out of parts without getting in anyone's way whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: i don't have to have the people who want to use unicode to agree to anything in particular ahead of time, and if tomorrow they decide to call it fuck-bush instead, they can and nothing gets broken
mircea_popescu: there's no requirement that the gns even be properly global ; it's your job to make it global-locally and that's that.
trinque: this 1) agreeing ahead of time with pantsuit council on what schemas exist or 2) infinitely nested lookup tables for viewers is exactly what killed the prior idiots
mircea_popescu: yeah, but it seems to me neither is involved here ?
trinque: not at all. this works.
mircea_popescu: you can make upon a private lan the agreement that "unicode" is how you call the tga decoder, and lo and behold... you read tga with the unicode displayer now.
mircea_popescu: so in the atomic case, practically overengineered but for the sake of understanding each other : each v tree should simply say it wants to be pressed by a v presser, and the client should inquire wtf that is and get one.
trinque: it also leaves space for *multiple* hypertext document viewers, many as you like.
mircea_popescu: obviously we all do this manually at present, but we really utterly don't want to.
mircea_popescu: trinque many as you can be bothered to sign yes.
mircea_popescu: obviously the fact that a bitcoin txn container will come with "this takes bitcoin" will not result in you recompiling bitcoin for each tx -- you already have it ;
mircea_popescu: but the first time you run into one -- yes, it would.
mircea_popescu: and that "bitcoin" can mean whatever the fuick you choose it should mean.
mircea_popescu: so announcement of a new partch would be author changing his gns entry for X from press-to-q to press-to-k ; if user is disinterested he jkust gets dragged along, otherwise if user requires he sign local copy he stays put.
mircea_popescu: all transparent like and everything.
mircea_popescu: no more need to run javascript (ie, unsecured remote code) ; no more need to "ask people to upgrade" ; no more anything of the idiotic sort. if i want a cuntoo/mp-wp/we it is now i have to ask here, and maybne someone produces one. this could just as well be handled by the machines, it's a machine task.
asciilifeform: !#s kyristor
a111: 27 results for "kyristor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kyristor
asciilifeform: ^ ancient asciilifeform crackpottery , re subj
mircea_popescu: item eminently doesn't deal with "programs" or "applications" or anything ; it's a proper url system, it locates resources. can put in the gns that you're a dentist in kennebunkport, maine, and if i need a dentist...
mircea_popescu: rather than the current "google search" utterly useless bullshit.
mircea_popescu: at least that way i have someone to tell his dentist sucked ; and he might negrate the douche. or vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: gets a new rating, and NECESSARILY more business, because now more people can find him.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the major change from http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567932 is obviously the abandoment of the fixed petri dish. it dun have to have a "final word" solution, overalpping local ones are fine. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 19:06 asciilifeform: Framedragger: note that this was the laughable piece, 'majority votes', i had nfi how to cut the knot of sybil etc.
mircea_popescu: in a sense moving the problem away into where it belongs.
mircea_popescu: oh, obviously : there's no possiblity of name conflicts, either. the fact that my key defines "usg" as x and trump's key defines "usg" as y allows us both to live our respective delusions happily.
asciilifeform: q is not how to make this happen. it already happens. q is how to mechanize it properly.
mircea_popescu: moreover, kinda too soon to mechanize it just yet.
asciilifeform: possibly.
mircea_popescu: but if i were to guess, i'd guess this is where it's headed.
asciilifeform: it does need the fast ffa, among other items.
asciilifeform: ( and gossip layer prolly gotta come first, also )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766927 << needless to say re this that just because you trust someone's signature it doesn't follow that someone's obliged to distribute his patches to you ; this allows him to be paid for his work ; you're also more than welcome to obtain your patches from someone other than their author, provided... you trust their signature ; and obviously the author's STILL not obliged to distribute patc ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 02:02 mircea_popescu: 5. client proceeds to build what it can (if set to, and as per signatures again) and present the pile.
mircea_popescu: hes to THAT third party either, meaning, again...
mircea_popescu: this then allows the emergence of software distribution networks, and so on.
diana_coman: in other gnupg-isms: it uses lcm(p-1, q-1) instead of phi itself, supposedly to make decryption faster but essentially through making the decryption exponent smaller; moreover, this is a sort of buildup on the whole pile of stink because it quite relies on p and q NOT being really random (if they really are random, chances are gcd(p-1, q-1) relatively small and therefore phi and lcm not really all that different anyway) ☟︎
diana_coman: (obv. no comments in the code to know why it uses lcm there, so the supposition above is entirely mine; if anyone sees a different reason for that, let me know)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: are you speaking of the item http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/aQhMA/?raw=true ?
asciilifeform: ( snippet paste is from the classical 1.4.10 )
asciilifeform: and gotta point out, gcd and lcm not the same, gcd(x,y)*lcm(x,y)=x*y (proof left as exercise)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, at key generation really, classical 1.4.10, snippet here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GWFnN/?raw=true
diana_coman: asciilifeform, where the fuck did I say gcd and lcm same??
diana_coman: phi = (p-1)*(q-1)
diana_coman: lcm = phi / gcd(p-1, q-1)
asciilifeform: possibly i misread the orig comment, where seemed to be used interchangeably
diana_coman: phi and lcm relatively same, NOT lcm and gcd ☟︎
asciilifeform: ok there it is.
shinohai: !!up btcvixen
deedbot: btcvixen voiced for 30 minutes.
btcvixen: yay
btcvixen: so what do I have to do?
shinohai: Welcome btcvixen .... hafta to lurk until mircea_popescu comes online
btcvixen: what do I Have to decorate on my tits now?
shinohai: He should be here any time now
shinohai: Yeah, he will give you a unique string to write on your tits, take pic/upload/ get paid.
btcvixen: oh neat.
btcvixen: where do I prove I've been naked before?
shinohai: Well in otc you said you were on cam?
btcvixen: yeah
btcvixen: i have cam4 profile, chaturbate profile
btcvixen: pornhub
shinohai: Should be sufficient then
btcvixen: shinohai, can i whore my stuff here?
apeloyee: possible reason for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766967 is NIST FIPS 186-4: " The exponent d shall be a positive integer value such that 2^(nlen/2) d < LCM(p–1, q–1)" (http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/FIPS/NIST.FIPS.186-4.pdf#page=62 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 14:33 diana_coman: in other gnupg-isms: it uses lcm(p-1, q-1) instead of phi itself, supposedly to make decryption faster but essentially through making the decryption exponent smaller; moreover, this is a sort of buildup on the whole pile of stink because it quite relies on p and q NOT being really random (if they really are random, chances are gcd(p-1, q-1) relatively small and therefore phi and lcm not really all that different anyway)
apeloyee: 2^(nlen/2) < d
diana_coman: "where nlen is the appropriate length for the desired security_strength" - where is this wonder in gnupg anyway
diana_coman: apeloyee, I guess that's the how come lcm, because they said so, yes
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> basically, technocucks so fucking petrified of their emotions and the structure of power, they will retreat into bikeshedding as a comfortable substitute for sanity. << Could not be more evident than in Microshit/Ubuntu "User Interface must change every major release"
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14710.0, vol: 16245.50952799 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14589.0, vol: 56500.76635817 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14600.0, vol: 3668.69709413 | Volume-weighted last average: 14615.2522153
BingoBoingo: In other news, datacenter meeting Wednesday morning. And ended up booking the hostel through the end of February.
shinohai: Buena suerte BingoBoingo !
BingoBoingo: ty
BingoBoingo: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=151521435721902 y https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=151521473321941&w=2
asciilifeform: diana_coman, apeloyee : it does make d smaller. but as far as i can see it doesn't do anything interesting rsatronically
btcvixen: can i link my chaturbate channel here?
asciilifeform: ( it makes a kochtronic (i.e. variable-width) arithmetron exponentiate faster. but answer is same , as far as i can tell, as if it were not done )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, thing is: unlikely to make it much smaller anyway if p and q are chosen randomly, no?
diana_coman: useless at best is how I see it too, yes
BingoBoingo: btcvixen: Probably wouldn't hurt
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it shaves typically 1 bit
asciilifeform: q is odd, p is odd, q-1 - even , p - 1 - even
diana_coman: well yes, gcd at least 2, obv
asciilifeform: their gcd then >=2
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: obv. this sort of misery will not be used in ffatronic rsa.
btcvixen: https://chaturbate.com/p/jadeisrad/?tab=bio twitter - @jadeisradXXX http://www.cam4.com/jadeisrad https://www.camsoda.com/jadeisrad but no one uses camsoda
btcvixen: name is Jade, btw.
apeloyee: but gpg uses CRT, thus shaving a bit off d itself ~doesn't matter. looks like "because said so"
asciilifeform: i suspect that koch was blindly following the schoolbook here.
asciilifeform: though it'd be hilarious if there were a subtle bug in mpi fdiv etc.
asciilifeform: i threw away mpi after attempting a very similar exercise to what diana_coman is doing now, and realizing that i'ma prolly never find all of the mines.
asciilifeform: and finding not-all is as good as finding none.
shinohai: Block: 503136 00000000000000000077bb565be220f1cf03648453ef421b22f516d372ceee21 <<< Gotta mine dem Empty blocks so ppl will move to BCrash!
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/42ejR << in other crackpotteries. maurer's prime cooker.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mN2NJ/?raw=true << whole thing in 1 .txt , for convenience. includes author's sci.crypt-style philosophizing, which is the linkworthy lul to begin with ☟︎
hanbot: !!up btcvixen
deedbot: btcvixen voiced for 30 minutes.
hanbot: btcvixen> name is Jade, btw. << welcome Jade, where are ya from?
btcvixen: new jersey
btcvixen: shore area :)
hanbot: oh hey, i don't think there's any other jersey talent here atm, i guess you get to be de-facto miss shores. i'm in costa rica, banana area ☟︎
hanbot: what do you do besides camming?
btcvixen: not much, really hoping to get into motorcycle racing
btcvixen: really the reason i started camming
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
hanbot: if motorcycle racing plucked most participants from camsites i wager it'd be a lot more interesting, personally ;p
mircea_popescu: hanbot you mean the camhos or the zombies "watching" ?
hanbot: the former, naturally
mircea_popescu: i could see it.
BingoBoingo: Honestly incorporating that into the act could motivate the punters to part with the cash faster
mircea_popescu: btcvixen oh, were you here to tits ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo considering the death of the indiancandy experiment... i expect the pebkac.
hanbot: BingoBoingo totally, camhos and sportsbooks were made for each other, no idea why there's nothing doing atm
ben_vulpes: ohey, btcvixen
shinohai: indiancandy came by as sofiababy last night while I was afk mircea_popescu .... still need a voice for the pr thing ?
shinohai does like her for her Brit voice at least ....
btcvixen: hey ben_vulpes
btcvixen: mircea_popescu, yes
btcvixen: I have been patiently waiting here for this, almost in disbelief in what sort of digital harem you've managed to accumulate.
ben_vulpes: btcvixen: didja get bored of the #-otc babbling?
mircea_popescu: shinohai a what now ?
mircea_popescu: btcvixen holy shit you've got like an irc client and everything ? what are you, like a geek ?
btcvixen: lol, i've been spectating it for several years.
shinohai: There was a mention of needing a voiceover for tmsr radio production? I can dig inlogs
mircea_popescu: btcvixen use 4bf34cdf
btcvixen: mircea_popescu, i generated 6600 coins cpu back in 2010, unfortuantely i got raped and spent them on heroin and they were gone by march of 2012 when they were worth $2 a pop
btcvixen: i've been cleaned up since march though, but i really could've used that $100 million
mircea_popescu: the logs thank you for this story.
btcvixen: instead i'm camwhoring.
mircea_popescu: !!key btcvixen
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/11E3DCAED09A98A1837E58C4910CB253AC6DEDE2.asc
mircea_popescu: jeez, look at that even.
btcvixen: I was thinking of writing a book.... entitled "from hashcodes to Heroin: a bitcoin legacy"
shinohai imagines gabriel _ladell reading with interest, preparing marriage proposal .....
mircea_popescu: !!rate btcvixen best 100mn heroin story.
mircea_popescu: uh i mean
mircea_popescu: !!rate btcvixen 1 best 100mn heroin story.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vt0pj/?raw=true
btcvixen: okay lemme go get a sharpie and my tits lol.
asciilifeform: i'll read, to find out... wtf is a 'hashcode'
btcvixen: oh cool, already got my tits.
btcvixen: ask mircea
ben_vulpes: btcvixen: lol i was gonna ask where you keep 'em
mircea_popescu: yeah asciilifeform you should ask me computing things when you don't know what they are.
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: because some can be hard/obscure.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in a wooden holster, opposite from the one with the mauser, naturally
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hue, ofc how silly of me
ben_vulpes: these are good logs boys
btcvixen: mircea_popescu, can i throw my twitter or chaturbate there too or just the code?
mircea_popescu: sure
shinohai: Precisely how large are those tits ffs ?
btcvixen: actually i might skip that part since it's hard enough to write numbers mirrored on my own tits
btcvixen: mircea_popescu, case sensitive?
mircea_popescu: either way
ben_vulpes: btcvixen: cannot draw visual palindromes on demand?
ben_vulpes: teh shame
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you also have any questions about computer things i could answer for you ?
ben_vulpes: oooh yeah actually yeah there's this thing called javascript and i can't figure out why it exists, what's up with that
mircea_popescu: ask asciilifeform .
btcvixen: okay
ben_vulpes: hey asciilifeform what's up with javascript?
mircea_popescu does a meppy jig
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: y'mean the scratchings in the sand that pass for script on isle of java ?
ben_vulpes: "eyy, so javascript am i right? eh? anyone? it's like, terrible right?"
asciilifeform: i dunno anyother kind!11!
mircea_popescu: this is because you have to ask me about computing like things asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: here, i wrote a trilema article on it :
asciilifeform: aha, gotta ask mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/i-dont-no-biari-i-know-a-littel-java/
mircea_popescu: IT IS FROM 2013! ALL THIS WAS FORETOLD
ben_vulpes: heyyyyy mircea_popescu why are programmers so angry
mircea_popescu: cuz they've no crypto for heroin.
ben_vulpes: "we will *not* be shooting up, omfg. we will be *snorting* like civilized adults."
mircea_popescu: why, you like the mononostril look ?
btcvixen: mircea_popescu, https://imgur.com/a/xhfTl
btcvixen: i can add face my mistake
mircea_popescu: get yer mug in there btcvixen
btcvixen: i have no make up though
ben_vulpes: autism alarms
mircea_popescu: lol so make up. BUT YOU HAVE ONLY HALF HOUR
asciilifeform: um is this another brendafdez
ben_vulpes: your favorite kind, asciilifeform !
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766977 << i don't see the problem with using the actual spec. koch "optimizations" not really useful. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 15:02 diana_coman: phi and lcm relatively same, NOT lcm and gcd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's that mean ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: synthetic chix
shinohai: oh ... oh ....oh
mircea_popescu: as in what, not huge tits ? chromosomally xy ? which ?
asciilifeform: the latter
mircea_popescu: dude theo de radt discussing "Captured"... gimme a fucking break
trinque: BingoBoingo: ey, got a quote back from Latechco on a rack. PM if you want to compare
mircea_popescu: awww, jesus. btcvixen listen! this dun work for "transgender"! what did you think "any human female" meant ?!
trinque: BingoBoingo: not trying to rent the thing for you; just gathering ammo to help.
mircea_popescu: !!up btcvixen
deedbot: btcvixen voiced for 30 minutes.
btcvixen: my id says female though
btcvixen: i can show you that
btcvixen: do you ask for anyone elses vagina/
btcvixen: or do you have special rules for me based on a whisper?
ben_vulpes: fiat id reeeeeeeee
asciilifeform: trinque: i could use this, actually, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759305 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 01:25 asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo where was that hoster that'll host peculiarly small boxes , that you were using back in the day ? i have a buncha http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754247 that fit exactly those dimensions
btcvixen: https://i.imgur.com/1P102Wj.png
ben_vulpes: (all you really need to see are the knuckles hue)
btcvixen: You asked for females to show you tits. I am female, I showed you tits. Why are my real tits less legitimate than a female with silicon tits?
mircea_popescu: btcvixen well, if you're curious about procedure, l1 invalidated your claim and you're sol. kinda how things work here.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes has it; 'whisper' was not prompted by a secret dislike of asciilifeform's of people who start with 'b'
mircea_popescu: but procedural approach isn't worth much in the republic anyway.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: first people whose names start with 't' and now 'b'
asciilifeform: lolaha
ben_vulpes: clearly a tigot
mircea_popescu: btcvixen no, the substantive issue is that you are not female ; you would like to be, which is fine, but it doesn't do anything.
btcvixen: but i am female ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: do you understand what "female" means ?
asciilifeform: and i'ma rhinoceros!
btcvixen: i would have been fine if ben_vulpes did not blow up my spot.
ben_vulpes: excuse me?
mircea_popescu: the fact thjat you might've gotten away with fraud doesn't actually change the argument.
btcvixen: it's not fraud, i am who i am.
btcvixen: I am female.
mircea_popescu: no.
btcvixen: shinohai, did you purposefully bring me here to mock me?
mircea_popescu: the claim "i am female" is fraudulent ; you are male and will die male. this is something decided at birth and unalterable.
btcvixen: is this the purpose of your whole little thing?
mircea_popescu: if you are confused on the matter, pick a cell and a chromosome count kid, see if the sex chromosome is xx or xy.
btcvixen: why is it when i am hormonally female i function so much more clearly and feel so much more comfortable
btcvixen: there's XX males and XY females
btcvixen: XXY
btcvixen: just because your personal philosophy doesn't accept who i am as a person doesn't invalidate me or my identity.
mircea_popescu: btcvixen no, actually, nobody gives a shit about the obscure "i am genderconfused" demo either. the purpose is for the ~5bn extand females to earn a penny ; the 50k or whatever overfed white boys with too much tiome on their time isn't foremost on anyone's mind.
mircea_popescu: btcvixen my personal philosophy doesn't enter into any of this.
btcvixen: Yes it does, as my government id says "Sex: F"
btcvixen: and you are denying me what you asked for females
mircea_popescu: your government is about as interesting as one instance of dorks playing monopoly.
asciilifeform: and ihear in europistan you can get 'Sex: martian' nao
btcvixen: where do you get off on this?
mircea_popescu: now -- stop making fraudulent claims, and find something useful to do for yourslef, there's more in the republic than titswriting.
btcvixen: i did what you asked for, why not extend yourself as promised. I told you who I am. I know who I am.
btcvixen: just because you say otherwise doesn't mean anything. You may have money but the one thing you don't have is authority over my identity.
mircea_popescu: if you persist i'll also negrate you.
btcvixen: I know who I am, and any little opinion you have is worthless to me.
mircea_popescu: aite then.
btcvixen: My mind, my strength, and my integrity are worth far more than those 2 bitcents of pittance you offer me.
shinohai: btcvixen: nope, but the heroin story was grand.
mircea_popescu: !!rate btcvixen -1 attempted to scam bitcoin through fraudulent claims.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oAkZv/?raw=true
btcvixen: yeah it would have helped... but overall you just seem to be a shallow man that doesn't seem to realize the entire scope of human individuality
mircea_popescu: !!down btcvixen
asciilifeform: this is almost as preeecious as alice_
ben_vulpes: pwahaha
mircea_popescu: the gall, you know.
ben_vulpes: good monday, #trilema! are there any other marginalized characters who want to line up for a stomping?
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes incredible what sort of inflexible thinker ends up sucked into the whole "no rly, i r gurl" subculture.
ben_vulpes: the speed at which the immune system kicked in was pretty impressive
ben_vulpes: "do we really hav to do this? IN 201y!?!?!"
shinohai: asciilifeform: did not know until now that Bfernandez was xy
asciilifeform: shinohai: iirc was upfront about it
trinque: I mean.. it was apparent
asciilifeform: some folx are honest
mircea_popescu: somehow "The vaguely amused forum + mp rating is worth WAY the fuck more than whatever self-delusions i nurse, let me put this to use" is apparently inaccessible.
shinohai: I think I only spoke 2-3 times when I first came here with them
mircea_popescu: da fuck anyone could possibly care about anything OTHER than " got hanbot to talk to me and mp rated me"
shinohai: The moar you know
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly just heard 'ooh there's a chan where some weirdo's handing out phreecoinz'
shinohai doesn't think he has ever seen a bfernandez pic
mircea_popescu: shinohai certainly didn't attempt to defraud, the fernandez.
shinohai: Nah, it was my fault I saw over in #otc where was advertising cam links, I linked to article. But is user's responsibility to read
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean in the way "just heard there's weird internet money let me spend it all" ?
asciilifeform: aaha
mircea_popescu: shinohai do a skim over see if there's "transsexual" or w/e mentioned, spare the future tulpas the rude reawakening.
mircea_popescu would be very impressed to see one that got this clue running, but does not expect to.
shinohai adds this to the list. along with his rejection of Colombian cows in the future ....
mircea_popescu: after all, if brain worked, situation wouldn't exist.
asciilifeform: btw supposedly in usa these 'beauties' with delusions of femality, regularly get themselves savagely beaten/knifed/floating in river , when attempting to act on said delusions with street demographic that takes кто ты по жизни seriously
shinohai: lmao
trinque: that just feeds into the precious cuntlet narrative in head
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect.
asciilifeform: aha, it gets spun into an ohnoez mediacircus with some regularity
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767034 << nah, banano is by limon. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 16:46 hanbot: oh hey, i don't think there's any other jersey talent here atm, i guess you get to be de-facto miss shores. i'm in costa rica, banana area
hanbot: fuck me, i'm lost in the fruit salad
trinque: lol
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this wasn't always the case, once upon a time the trannies in times square were more likely to knife a less-than-complimentary strolling banker
mircea_popescu: hahah
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes when was this time, other than in pantsuit alt-history ?
ben_vulpes: at that time though the banker was likely in the square for the trade anyways, and so would know how to talk
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 70s
ben_vulpes: when gay men were real men
mircea_popescu: ~only thing the weirdos ever knifed was their own, take the scum manifesto nutjob that iirc was on trilema even
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this ~never happened.
asciilifeform: iirc 'scum' was an actual female
ben_vulpes: well look i've got you on one hand and the gay elders who despise my generation on the other, one of you actually lived in new york on the scene in heels before it was cleaned up
mircea_popescu: pre stonewall inn gay men were ~police-beating-dummies, and post well... media whores. this "gay men, real men" thing may be a conflatioin with the west coast biker/leather bdsm gay scene, but
mircea_popescu: more of a mythological rehistory (like the "castles in europe" etc) than factual.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes, about a third of the whores i shot porn with.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway, i shall go buy more suits and things nao, so we can continue this laters.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8P84I/?raw=true
diana_coman: !!up Swant
deedbot: Swant voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_coman: lol, from Ikea Swant ?
Swant: Nope just a bad in-joke
Swant: I'm in no way related to ikea xD
diana_coman: so who are you?
Swant: Well I'm just a normal freenode staffer and wanted to check in on what this channel is as it was brought to my attention
diana_coman: Swant, how is that brought to attention? like on a platter or what? btw, there are logs, help yourself
Swant: Yeah I might have to look into those
Swant: But if you have time, please tl;dr; me on the purpose of this channel
Swant: Because from what some other users have told me it's for buying and selling porn... ☟︎
diana_coman: lmao
diana_coman: Swant, the tl;dr is in the chan's topic, no? Topic for #trilema is: You have reached The Most Serene Republic, the world's only sovereign.
Swant: Well that doesn't really clear it up for me tbf
Swant: I'm looking for the slightly longer tl;dr; then :p
shinohai: I'm curious, was the "porn selling" reported by this particular seller of pron? http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2018/01/08#l1515415372.0
asciilifeform: Swant: there's a public log, going back years, http://btcbase.org/log
shinohai: If so, wrong chan
diana_coman: trouble is that TMSR doesn't quite fit in tl;dr other than that, so ...it's logs; anyways, there is search function, guess search for porn selling or whatevs
BingoBoingo: Major projects in this channel include hardware TRNGs, OS replacement utilities written in ADA, and other peer to peer and noone else communications tools
ben_vulpes: https://www.zmescience.com/science/oceanography/melting-ice-sea-rise-08012018/ << ocean bottom is deforming but this means that sea level actually rose more than was previously guessed at rising!
BingoBoingo: !!up Swant
deedbot: Swant voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: in other self contradictions of life under american socialism, google is facing class action lawsuits from both men and women claiming different kinds of discrimination
ben_vulpes: https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/08/james-damore-just-filed-a-class-action-lawsuit-against-google-saying-it-discriminates-against-white-male-conservatives/ title all really one needs for the day's chuckles ☟︎
ben_vulpes: (damore, for anyone who forgot, was fired from google for thoughtcrime)
shinohai: Moar google lulz ..... I'm still in stitches over them getting all their bikes yanked, and spending investigation monies into finding out how this could possibly happen.
TomServo: In other news, A federal judge dismissed all charges against rancher Cliven Bundy, his two sons and another man on Monday. ☟︎
TomServo: U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro cited "flagrant prosecutorial misconduct" in her decision to dismiss all charges against the Nevada rancher and three others.
shinohai: O.o
trinque: mistrial == avoiding setting precedent eh?
asciilifeform: aaha, pretty handy
ben_vulpes: trinque: what precedent?
trinque: iirc these guys shot back at the feds?
trinque: if so, that. any situation where "shot back and won" ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i don't see how this isn't a won except in the minds of the feds
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: no precedent gets set. and since the 'double jeopardy' restriction in usa is as good as gone, the same d00dz can be re-accused and re-tried later by obummer-II or whoever
shinohai: Any students of prb here know what this Lightning shit is? http://archive.is/pLqJN ☟︎
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'offchain'ism
asciilifeform: snoar
shinohai: More not Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767262 << except, of course, the one that got shot. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 20:20 TomServo: In other news, A federal judge dismissed all charges against rancher Cliven Bundy, his two sons and another man on Monday.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767269 << i would say you're exactly correct. "shooting at usg men is always the right move ; if you do it you'll win ; do not think of this". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 20:26 trinque: if so, that. any situation where "shot back and won"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1767272 << replacement of bluematt's original "let's not really fix the peer problem" "solution" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 20:30 shinohai: Any students of prb here know what this Lightning shit is? http://archive.is/pLqJN
shinohai: !#s XMSS
a111: 0 results for "XMSS", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=XMSS
ben_vulpes: in other convergences, one of the 'keybase' faces nominally also 'built' the 'okcupid' thing mike_c now runs
mircea_popescu: hey, the sv circus dun really have that many faces.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: canhaz link ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: https://chriscoyne.com/
mircea_popescu: jesus
asciilifeform: lol sparknotes
mircea_popescu: let's make this point plain, as apparently somehow it's not self-evident : acting like a mongoloid does not get you "suave" brownie points. it gets you mongoloid points.
ben_vulpes: > malgorithms
ben_vulpes: apropos
mircea_popescu: there's something wrong with lanky adult failing to understand what the problem with child bikes are.
asciilifeform: face begs for brick.
asciilifeform: harvard face.
mircea_popescu: more like "community college in the general harvard area" but w/e. splitting pubes.
mircea_popescu: !!up pehbot
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !A .~.~.~.2.4.8X
pehbot: mircea_popescu:
mircea_popescu: !A .~.~.~.2.4.7X
pehbot: mircea_popescu:
asciilifeform: yagottaprintit
mircea_popescu: !A .~.~.~.2.4.7X#
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002
mircea_popescu: !A .~.~.~.2.4.8X#
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
mircea_popescu: this is remarkably fast considering what it does!
asciilifeform: 256b
asciilifeform: egyptian modexp is a o(n^3) op
mircea_popescu: myeah. judicious choice, at that.
asciilifeform: ( recall, PeterL verified empirically )
mircea_popescu: !A .~.~.~.115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639935.57896044618658097711785492504343953926634992332820282019728792003956564819957.2X#
pehbot: mircea_popescu: EGGOG: Pos: 71: Constant Exceeds Bitness!
asciilifeform: ^ hint : goto col 71 and zap forward
asciilifeform: it tells you exactly where
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is pos 71 actually in any way transformable to pa ha!
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: this is pretty well thought out!
asciilifeform: it's a nonforward+nonbackward-looking parser, if you will.
asciilifeform: i.e. '1' actually is just shiftleft-by-4-and-or-with-1
asciilifeform: i.e. 'A' actually is just shiftleft-by-4-and-or-with-A
asciilifeform: etc
mircea_popescu: !~calc 2^256 - 1
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2^256 - 1 = 1.157920892373162E77
asciilifeform: lol!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sooo... not 256 bit then ?
asciilifeform: yes256
asciilifeform: watch
mircea_popescu: what am i missing here ?
asciilifeform: !A .~#
asciilifeform: there you go
mircea_popescu: o damn i forgot.
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
mircea_popescu: nifty.
asciilifeform: if you read ch4 you'll know all there is to know about it, it's simple, like kalash
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc#L194 << from here , to end of ffa_calc.adb, whole mechanism.
mircea_popescu: ya
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14978.98, vol: 16664.61012220 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14900.0, vol: 64596.19423353 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14904.7, vol: 3924.80854617 | Volume-weighted last average: 14915.6671703
mircea_popescu: !!pay pete_dushenski 0.58441904
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