phf: i just opened an openbsd laptop a second ago and it greeted me with ddb (kernel debugger on panic)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 21:06 BingoBoingo wonder if MP is in Peru
mircea_popescu: i am enjoying a newfound love of "el condor pasa" btw. it's a fucking epic song if one reads the ORIGINAL SPANISH TEXT.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes check it out, naked slut entering cvasi-whats-that-triangle-thing-called !
phf: could be spain proper
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, with the fleet under wing, "this is eagle-1, standby for launch over."
shinohai now has an idea to reswell the ranks of FARC with camhos ....
mircea_popescu: shinohai i thought the farc finally went on the govt dole last month.
phf: sort of how spk was training a group of schizophrenics for revolutionary activity, making bombs, etc. the whole place blew up.
phf: sozialistisches patientenkollektiv
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-28: [22:20:09] <CompanionCube> David Cameron was doing this same thing more or less the same time last year.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 01:45 asciilifeform: quite srsly, i'd like to know : phf now uses what? 'ed' ? does he still write programs for money ? in commonlisp? in selfsame 'ed' ?
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-28: [23:06:25] <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: bare hands
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-28: [23:28:09] <asciilifeform> proof was not generally understood and he "had a duty to dig out the truth of the proof". ' -- pediw.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, whichj isn't much, i don't expect perelman gave much of a shit about it all before, either. not exactly "driven into" or anythjing
mircea_popescu: "who the fuck are yo uto be giving me awards anyway" might well have been set to happen regardless.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:06 mp_en_viaje: wuille comes along, "expands" for the africa box A. now the design is broken, in that item in B will correspond to both a and a'
mircea_popescu: "design is fucking hard -- you gotta specify ALL you gotta specify AND NO MORE!!1" sigh.
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-28: [23:51:43] <phf> it's not the static linking that gets you, it's the lack of stable abi. binary loads, but fails to do the right thing on system call
mircea_popescu: "my stove dun work", fine, but it isn't because the gas is wet.
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-28: [23:57:45] <asciilifeform> ( possibly -- if some hero devotes several years to it, trb-style -- but even then )
mircea_popescu: i dunno that at any point since henry was the "legal system" so much of a joke.
shinohai: Why yes, I *do* want to follow you upstairs.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> where exactly does it work reliably. << AMD E350 board works splendidly
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lol what the fuck. canadian bitcoin orange revolution!!
mircea_popescu: "we represent the whole world*!!!" * as understood by whatever 3rd echelon bureaucrat in the us dept of our democracy that "handles" "canada".
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2015-07-02 21:36 phf: mircea_popescu: i'll keep that i mind. i'd like to give it a try, but i still have memories of tedium and despair from last time i tried building a crystal space project on mac
ben_vulpes: on one iteration it popped an x11 window and then segfaulted!
ben_vulpes: the req'd historical version does not even begin to run on current os x
ben_vulpes: i have more permutations and combinations to run
mircea_popescu: i hope you're keeping very elaboratedly detailed notes
ben_vulpes: drift slut gets all the attention these days
mircea_popescu: if you're doing all the trenching anyway, actually documenting it is not much more load, and totally worth it.
ben_vulpes: if you don't you end up like gabriel_laddel_p
ben_vulpes: mess of incantations locked in his head, hasta actually bang on each and every box
mircea_popescu: i always thought that was by choice rather than necessity.
mircea_popescu: there's a certain artisan's "i will touch all the items" vein in there.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: oops there i go being nonjudgemental again
mircea_popescu: in other random lulz : there are many diseases of the foot, all of them rather similar : capilaries die, then the skin gets colonized by fungus and bacteria, then the nerves die and then gangrene sets in. frostbite is not necessary ; nor is diabethes -- something as simple as keeping the feet in warm mud for half a day, or wet for a few days in the same socks will do it.
mircea_popescu: this, as you might imagine, was a major problem in ww1, which is why it's even called "trench foot". it was then discovered the best solution to the problem is pairing all the soldiers and having each responsible for the feet of the other
mircea_popescu: because if it's your own feet, you may well not be bothered to dry them out each day.
mircea_popescu: this directly relates to the sad observation of labour activists in the 19th century, that labour is entirely disinterested in its own welfare, and will readily take jobs ~well known~ to be harmful, overly risky, etc. (radium girls go right in here).
mircea_popescu: they drew the conclusion that optionality is not enough, and work safety must be provided through regulation.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-02-17 05:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the washing thing is a serious problem. turns out that if no women around, people stop seeing the point.
ben_vulpes: although i imagine less 'army of lovers' and more 'everyone who *didn't* shit in the codebase is doing pushups'
mircea_popescu: it's a fact though, she's going to keep herself cleaner for you than she's going to for herself ; and this stands even if you don't say anything.
ben_vulpes: 'woman -- lives for man. man -- lives for beer.'
mircea_popescu: eh get out. who do you know that actually lives for beer ?
ben_vulpes: come now, not serious in the slightest
ben_vulpes: could just have readily have been 'conquest' if i were in a pandering mood
ben_vulpes: the implicit return of previously-defined return values or whatever-the-hell-is-actually-going-on there is pretty nifty
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, mosul successfuly conquered ; russian reports of mass bombing of civilians entirely untrue. don't fall for fake imitations, always read only the genuinotrue Real News (tm) !
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 05:51 mircea_popescu: some of the new microfibers aren't bad.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 06:55 mircea_popescu: there's a certain artisan's "i will touch all the items" vein in there.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 07:09 ben_vulpes has clearly not read the ada books
mod6: i have to say that some of the ada stuff is a bit non-obvious by syntax only.
mod6: i've been going through ada95, and it helps with some of the weird stuff like X` and P` or whatever.
mod6: thanks for the link.
mod6: yah, im not sure im quite there yet. what i really need to start in on is a decent enough sample program.
mod6: something to get into it a bit, but not too deep. before I try to dig into anything on the btctron level.
mod6: was thinking maybe something V-like, since it's fresh in my mind. but the string manip might get tedious and ugly and detract from the overall goal.
mod6: will think on sample projects to get me into the groove.
mod6: right, ya, something like that. i've got the links to all the sample proggies from before too. so, maybe i'll extend one of them, or that one, or make my own.
mod6: yeah, def. i learn best by doing, indeed.
mod6: i've quite noticed that actually. i was trying to figure out "packages" and did an evening worth of headbanging.
mod6: over something that should have been totally trivial.
mod6: right. fair enough. and reasonable advise.
mod6: I hope it's not too prohibitive.
shinohai finds V far easier than git now for some reason .....
shinohai: I think those types will always exist .... I found it mirthful that they showed up in the comments section of the dao hacker article on trilema.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 12:03 asciilifeform: omfg jurov mathematica ain't a typesetting system!
mircea_popescu: the original item is of course goretex, 1960s tech, where you heat teflon and suddenly pull on it, makes this 8-9-1k% the size microporous structure.
mircea_popescu: also go to five star hotel, check out their towels. or buy one of those new and cuddly bathrobes for gf. also microfiber
mircea_popescu: it's no longer legal to make items with animal leatherf in the us pretty sure.
mircea_popescu: lawyer sent me memo ten years ago "careful about taking your cane on trip, they're insane" etc.
shinohai: ack missed that - cat logs.txt | grep 'whereindafuqismircea_popescu'
mircea_popescu: actually i can tell ye this : in the above context, "not legal" also includes situations where it's technically legal but more expensive to comply than worth bothering (worth as defined by mass scale producers)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the greater point here being that the last battle for sanity is being fought : after chem killind most everything ("ecoleather" destroyed leather industry, for instance, rayon/nylon murdered silk, fake news killed linen etc etc), cotton, the last survival natural fiber is under attack.
mircea_popescu: it's a point of fact microfibre feels softer, and that's probably that.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this is gonna be more fun than i had thought. << Ecuador?
BingoBoingo: Well I was going to guess Liberia, but you said unsure about generators
BingoBoingo: Juche fiber is best fiber, from best people, for Best Korea
mircea_popescu: the only worthy equiv in ro is the one with the hedgehog's hole which im sure i recounted.
mircea_popescu: tis not chile, which is why i had french wine with my fish yest.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what. turkey was building the first university when england was == mongolia.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 13:20 asciilifeform: fwiw the part i found most painful was the 'access' (pointer) rules. generally you can't have a pointer unless you can demonstrate that it can never dangle
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 13:27 asciilifeform: ada in particular is 'a harsh mistress', you can sit for 3 hrs and your thing simply won't build, gcc won't eat it, and you gotta actually open the book and grasp the reason why, brute force knob-twiddling will get you 0 result.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 13:41 asciilifeform: but yes, you will do 2-3x the work, subjectively, as when writing c proggy. but it is not ~wasted~ work, just as the work of using v instead of 'git' etc. is not wasted.
mircea_popescu: "this is surgery among my tribe" scarce consolation / legal defense.
diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633736 <- I actually think that is a characteristic worth knowing how to replicate in one's own programs: after all the horrors I saw, I quite find it a bad thing that well done code tends to be basically too forgiving on idiots
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 13:27 asciilifeform: ada in particular is 'a harsh mistress', you can sit for 3 hrs and your thing simply won't build, gcc won't eat it, and you gotta actually open the book and grasp the reason why, brute force knob-twiddling will get you 0 result.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 14:25 asciilifeform: did we ever do a 'postel's law not only considered harmful but a disaster of epic proportions, quite comparable to leaded petrol' thread ?
a111: Logged on 2016-01-11 16:56 ascii_butugychag: for n00bz, 'postel's law' went something like 'be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept.'
mircea_popescu: diana_coman this is a problem more fundamental than code. consider : well run us, relying on the wealth amassed by people whose toes today's imbeciles aren't qualified to kiss, the carnegies and rockefellers and etc of the golden age, readily allowed inept management the APPEARANCE of working, at least initially. 1970s us still appeared like it has a future, notwithstanding it had all the future of argentina. why ? because pi
mircea_popescu: le of preexisting wealth makes it unapparent just how idiotic mark cuban / virgin branson / dan voiculescu / etc actually are.
mircea_popescu: also consider how methyl alcohol poisoning works (you ever wondered how the rfuck is it possible this STILL occurs today ?) : there's a sudden transition from dosing which the body absorbs without signal to dose wich renders one blind. the animal, without exception, ends up with a source of methyl alcohol. drinks some, is ok. drinks some more tomorrow, is ok. then goes to wedding/party/is depressed, drinks a lot. is blind.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite exactly, these systems with delayed backfeed are generally beyond the ability of the common human brain to administer.
diana_coman: certainly more fundamental; I talked about code because I write code, not because the issue is not clearly visible otherwise
mircea_popescu: and that's just how the code trap works too : it takes a while for the cost of shitty practices to accrue to the point where it exceeds the cost of having used alternative practices.
mircea_popescu: which is why 2012 btc dev team thinks mp is being eccentric and couldn't possibly ever get wiped.
phf: fwiw ada is a harsh mistress is an illusion. if it were to become fashionable to write ada among the hacker news crowd, there will be rapid attempts at modernization. common lisp went through that process
diana_coman: but essentially it is so far the only sort of approach that stands a chance against the mass of idiots basically; still a field of study for me re actual deployment, but anyways
mircea_popescu: understand, there's dorks on tardstalk TODAY going "oh, mp keeps saying things and they keep not happening."
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no meaning involved in the affairs of the subhuman.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the "appeal" from an idiot perspective is "it's popular" ; that means that at some point (late, but anyways) they WILL find it appealing
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the way we do things has no appeal except to serve the way we think. yet, ape-ing is constant. stealing bits of trilema is like chuka raiding rtg in siberia, yet chukas do raid. on it goes.
diana_coman: anything you do and works and becomes useful WILL encounter the mass of idiots jumping on it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is one of labels not one of contents. you keep thinking in utility terms.
phf: anything can have a pose. if it becomes so that "no real hacker", you're going to have plenty of "real hackers" at ada hackathons wearing "ada: make you hack better, bitch" tshirts
mircea_popescu: there's no utility involved. suburban ustard wears item because of ~how it makes her feel~ to ~be seen~ as ~being one of the~ rather than any use.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: what, you think black and decker power tools hanging from power cords around the neck could NEVER become a "music industry" standard ?
mircea_popescu: holy shit, purported usage of weapons IN EXACT CONTRADICTION TO THEIR UTILITY is a holywood standard today!
mircea_popescu: ever fucking tried firing one of those shits indoors ? just for lulz ?
phf: asciilifeform: it's too big of an item, but ~they still totally do~ you just need to go to burning man. plenty of people are "i build art for the big burn, can handle big machines"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is sadly a form of special pleading. consider the tribe of americans in the nation of africa with the deformed heads / elongated necks / etc.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ~everything has been sitting there since ages until someone comes and does something useful (for him) with it and THEN, (as in: too late) everybody starts doing something with it hence popular etc
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the fact that people can not ~naturally~ drive on ice is sufficient case study to illustrate just how poor the human brain is at handling delayed backfeed.
mircea_popescu: consider : running a destornillador comes out of the box ; skating - nope.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, urgh, I'd rather ask: how I can PREVENT this being done
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technically speaking this is universally guaranteed. as per the ancient "idiot -- can not have idea ; mp saying x and idiot saying x are not the same", the mere fact of your using it enacts it as a ~substantially~ different item than what they use.
mircea_popescu: this is trivially true and directly verified with eg irc, or gpg, or any other item we deigned to use.
phf: (speaking of common lisp. asdf the system dependency tool turned from 30k in version 1 into a asdf/uiop 900k monster in version 2. in a systemd move took over most of the compatability packages and is now present ~in every single lisp distribution~. with the did accomplished, Fare posts the following
http://fare.livejournal.com/188429.html )
phf: yeah, i was about to *, but i keep doing this, where i type equivalent sounding words all over the place
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 15:27 diana_coman: asciilifeform, the "appeal" from an idiot perspective is "it's popular" ; that means that at some point (late, but anyways) they WILL find it appealing
phf: asciilifeform: i actually tried replacing my asdf with asdf1 and the failure is that of thousand cuts. small, completely inconsequential additions to asdf file or some pointless uiop:foo-bar somewhere deep in code. some asdf files have hardcoded #-asdf3(error "asdf3 required") but then still work, etc.
phf: right, so you grok the method
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform essentially, "no one will" holds for as long as there's an imaginary fixed point to hang it of -- actual management in this case. what happens once obama is in charge of hiring ? why, one CAN!! sudden;y get job by pretending to know, and ONLY by pretending. no nsa for oyu!
diana_coman: "you can expose him in 5 minutes" is not enough and moreover it is in favour of the idiots simply because ..mass
diana_coman: so you expose 1 and then 10 and then 100 and so what; infinite points are on their side
mircea_popescu: i don't need five minutes to expose a bad collegiate paper, what's the exposure do ?
diana_coman: I read there "kick him out" for "exposing"
mircea_popescu: "come see the violence inherent in the glub glub glub!"
diana_coman: trouble is that unless the kick out is intrinsic, simply a machine function
diana_coman: it can and will be overrun from what I can see
mircea_popescu: phf that's kinda how/why we're stuck maintaining the world. gotta do the purges once and share. this "one man against horde of rats" is why people don't have sane tools today.
mircea_popescu: it's more than what any sane mind can do, to fix ALL THE ONES HE NEEDS.
mircea_popescu: it's not however more to fix one or two of them ; and if this work can be pooled then a complete system becomes quite feasible.
mircea_popescu: technically speaking all land on earth is more raft than boat.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't fall in not because hull, like boat, but because mutual reinforcement. which is imo the idea of "maintain world" for us too. clearly tmsr world will be bigger than usg/whatever world. if it is also sufficiently rigid, gravity or seaworthyness are no longer considerations : it can't fall in because of itself not leaving room to.
mircea_popescu: PS: Here are ways that Racket is indeed vastly superior to CL, that make me believe it's the future of Lisp: First and foremost, Racket keeps evolving, and not just "above" the base language, but importantly *below*. This alone makes it vastly superior to CL (that has evolved tremendously "above" its base abstractions, but hasn't evolved "below", except for FFI purpose, in the last 20 years), and superior to most languages (t
mircea_popescu: hat tend to not evolve much "above", and not at all "below" their base abstractions).
mircea_popescu: omfg this is the dumbest thing i read all week! and i read beginner's essays penned by 20yo sluts!!
mircea_popescu: any evolution whatsoever means i don't want to touch that item.
mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck cares what fare says/does, his head is more broken than anything you'd drag out of a colombian by the hour hotel.
mircea_popescu: i'm supposed to give a shit what tweets some dood tweeted ?
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, twitter is not a platform. anyone can say whatever the fuyck they want 140 chars at a time and i'll ignore it just like i ignore smsn
mircea_popescu: also why the fuck won't bernstein SIGN random text snippers.
phf: i don't think fare was ever sane, but he at some point existed in similar space to asciilifeform, so people would mix the two together. i don't think anything he ever wrote was as lucid as "seven laws of sane computing", but a lot of highly abstract verbiage on imaginary systems designs
mircea_popescu: there's a very strict difference between technical competence and trustworthyness.
mircea_popescu: i know plenty of 15yos who could recite factoids about fast cars i would nevertheless not permit to drive my fast car.
mircea_popescu: chiefly because it never fails to come to something like this.
mircea_popescu: i thought that guy with the failed lcd restaurant would have been.
mircea_popescu: made a bunch of money out of consumer plastication of computing, went on to "be entrepreneur"
mircea_popescu: it's somewhat funny, in the side pocket, how paul graham's idle verbiage about "the power of tech entrepreneurs to reinvest and create wealth" ENTIRELY ignores how without exceptrion his chosen field consists of mark cubans, ie dorks who made away with a large pile of corporate loot in a very madoffian manner and then just kept piddling it away.
phf: i met fare at one of international lisp conference's and i thought he was kind of off, but the kind of work he did on asdf3 precisely corresponds to his personal and writing styles. sort of like a dirty kid that you have to constantly remind to like fucking go wash yourself dude, omg
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in other news, toshiba seems headed for the ex-bin. after the "we made up 7bn profits over the past 6 years and are really losing 5bn a year atm" 2016 lulz, they've announced a 3.5bn looting by the usg this year.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem being that they can't reproduce it.
mircea_popescu: (basically, long story short, usg financed a coupla units in georgia and ncarolina with japan's money, ain't giving it back. loss is whatever you want it to be, 3 to 10 bn)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: aha. just making a modest stab at chronicling the process
mircea_popescu: the scam is very fuinny in particular because usg-run toshiba subsidiary westinghouse negotiated "fixed price" contracts with local baronies ; they happen to understate actual cost by at least 60%. unsurprisingly, the "undue enrichment" concepts were temporarily suspended. had it gone the other way, and toshiba managed to make off with 250% what it was owed, it'd be all "Corruption scandal" and whatnot, of course.
mircea_popescu: if usg asks for an apple and you bid a dollar and then they decide to define "apple" as a sack of potatoes, you owe two dollars in merchandise.
mircea_popescu: if usg asks for an apple, you bid a dollar, and nobody underbids you, they'll decide they must "inspect" to "investigate" etcetera, and won't you agree to a three dollar fine ?
phf: pretty sure my first vhs was toshiba
mircea_popescu: kinda why i didn't like it. made all these bs lower market tvs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the japs are trying to insulate it from the loss, it may survive in parts.
phf: i vaguely suspect japan is actively shedding u.s. assets, so all these "investigations" might be u.s. attempt to extract whatever they can still extract
mircea_popescu: japan is actually finding itself in a very great conjuncture, reminiscent of early 1900s. both russia and china need it. the usg... who cares.
mircea_popescu: which is why the "exotic" nationalist party, abe & co, keep pushing for army.
Framedragger: re. FUCKGOATS customs hold-up in UK: according to their story the hold-up with uk customs was due to them having to apply import duty (had to pay a bit) from u.s., *even though* i've had plenty of shit sent in from u.s. of a. before, so who knows (they wouldn't tell me more) :D
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: Framedragger how much did you end up paying per unit, and under what title was it extracted ?
Framedragger: it *could* be that it's because asciilifeform nicely noted down a dollar value on the parcel but then if he didn't he'd technically be breaking some law or another i'm sure
mircea_popescu: if you find it within yoruself to post forms you were issued that'd be grand.
☟︎ Framedragger: minimum import duty amount ~£8, *but* there is a tax for the tax (not kiddin) - administrative fee - which is also £8, so £16 in total for import (lololol)
Framedragger: the only form they gave me was basically a fucking postcard saying "you gotta pay us if you want it"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why bother ? not like it's insured, what's the upside.
Framedragger: i can post it later but need to finish a thing tonight
phf: only thing they shipping usa -> wherever is drugs. so it's a pretty safe bet to investigate
Framedragger: (i also called them to inquire but teh law is that they can't tell me more than on a postcard (which gives amount to pay, basically, i mean for srs). i may have gleaned something more by showing up at relevant delivery office (not the closest one) but i didn't bother (paid online and got it posted to my door))
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess. sucks to live in a shitty jurisdiction huh.
mircea_popescu: ftr, mp put > 200kgs worth of mostly electronica through customes at $mystery-location. took all of 5 minutes and $0 in fees.
mircea_popescu: though i did give a fiddy to the porter who handled all of it, dude earned it. also made his day quite evidently.
mircea_popescu: btw -- here's a new mp rule : if the airport you land at does not have porters waiting at the ready, you have landed in the third world.
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit about any excuses. this is the first, and the most important criterion of any place. no airport coolies, not civilised.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't perjure you, they didn't get sold or left in argentina, so. all good.
phf imagines carefully packed pogos in one of those old travel trunks, numbered "trunk #49: pogos" next to "trunk #50: hats"
mircea_popescu: but aside from a whole crate with like 50 pogos in their original packaging, i carried over two granite mortar&pestle arrangements. because fu, i gotta have my pie spices hand ground.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 15:47 asciilifeform: a c-grinder will also, should its lid come off, happily continue to fly (yes) around the kitchen, grinding whatever ends up in its path, drywall, chairs, people, van goghs, stradivaris, crates of ammunition, dogs, dildos.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, it is way the fuck cheaper to overweight flights than to fedex. by a factor of like, 2.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi wtf scam this is, but it makes entirely no sense whatsoever.
phf: oh yeah i have those two, i bought one in india last time, and it's as close as you can get to "rock with hole, another rock for mashing"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i were actually doing > 2 tons or so i'd have bothered. but really didn't have enough to juysrtify actual shipping
mircea_popescu: phf nah these are quite elegant actually. and ferous granite also, it's a slpendor.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have no idea. it's worth 150% there of what it'd be worth anywhere else.
mircea_popescu: this isn't simil-granite for putting on yoru wall ; actual rock dug out from ground and polished. imo better than jade.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was just a specially treated waste disposal method
mircea_popescu: this "kitten is apparently half-capable of thought" scenarios always disturb me.
phf: asciilifeform: why'd you say this. now i won't be able to make spices until i check. not like it would've killed me otherwise (tm)!
mircea_popescu: and plastic spoons are pretty bad. imagine -- i got silver silverware here!
mircea_popescu: anyway, to not misguide noobs : litvenko, usg agent that got murdered by the fsb in london, was poisoned with polonium. the alpha emitter effect of the metal, while present, was not necessarily. polonium is chemically toxic, much more so than cyanide, ld50 being in the microgram range (ie 1000ths of a grain of salt).
mircea_popescu: why not the proven-to-work ricin thing, neh. who knows these things.
mircea_popescu: possibly one reason the eskimos are retarded, for instance.
mircea_popescu: polonium occurs from uranium decay ; and chemically masquerades sulphur which makes it a joker in many biological pathways.
mircea_popescu: (it's for instance one of the very few legitimate causes of cancer-from-smoking, notwithstanding the blanket nonsense spewing from ourdemocracytards.)
mircea_popescu: seafood also contributes a healthy dose. especially these days.
mircea_popescu: "I was in an abusive relationship with Jake for six months in 2009. We parted on ostensibly amicable terms and have had little contact since then. When the accusations of professional misconduct and predatory sexual behavior were made public, I believed them, not just because I value and respect the men and women who made these accusations, but also because they sounded just like him. I saw him use those same strategies years
mircea_popescu: "During these discussions there was a lot of gaslighting. One discussion in particular, he claimed that I had somehow deeply injured him (I don't remember what I did) and was inconsolable. I kept asking him what I could do, and finally he insisted that for him to feel better I needed to clean his floors naked. And I did it. I cried the whole time, in surreal horror. He cheered up and took photos of me, crying and naked, scrub
mircea_popescu: bing his floor. I want to be perfectly clear that there was nothing fun or kinky about this. I don't enjoy humiliation, and it was not a consensual part of our sex life."
mircea_popescu: lots and lots of this, mostly mildly entertaining brat (term of art) upset she sucks at it and GETTING EVEN!!11
mircea_popescu: but anyway, back to the upstream :
https://archive.is/9zD8D#selection-9.3336-9.4865 the whole thing is rather damaging of bernstein's own standing and credibility. he engages in this sort of behaviours, he isn't much of a man, and certainly the sordid tale of his misbehaviour disabused me of any intention of rating him on the basis of his work.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: idiot actually wrote a 12k word about this inept bullshit. where's his fucking 12k word discussion of any of his ACTUAL FUCKING WORK
mircea_popescu: guy is as terse as if he'd be writing with ass clicker when doing actual work
mircea_popescu: suddenly he's a novelist when these grease spots are concerned
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he "will spend significant time" to find... "Research" tasks adequate to that fuckdolls "level" yet he can't be bothered to figure out how deedbot works ?
☟︎☟︎ Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i thought he was being a bit satirical and snarky in that particular passage you quote (those two paras), from when i read it first. not that his general pose of presenting an excuse (if diligently detailed) of this kind of a good sign, of course. just that the tone is not *that* bad. (but, okay, perhaps bad enough when the piece is considered in whole.)
mircea_popescu: not for a fucking second. he is enabling the misbehaviour of 30yo children. i gotta do more work bitchlapping these idiot cunts into the ground because he buys them food and doesn't makle them pay for the shiot they break.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't give a shit about answers. i perceive i must send him a one liner "you should be ashamed of yourself", because HE SHOULD FUCKING BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF.
Framedragger: but this is along the lines of "could be coal miner, chucking coal 18h/day". well yeah...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not of the persuasion that poettering, ie, out and out wrecker, is in any sane sense worse than jwz, ie, "i'm just going to silently and passively enable the valence idiots".
mircea_popescu: i will certainly hang the "nice people" in preference of the poetterings. just like trump does.
mircea_popescu: correct strategy when dealing with the empire of idiots -- hang the idiots, not their handlers.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: had mp not happened to make a comment and alf to insist and mp to read this bullshit, mp'd have never known what miserable immoral acts bernstein engages in regularly. and nobody'd have told him.
mircea_popescu: i would much prefer an empty kingdom. i utterly have no use of these softie surogate idiot-usian parenting types.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 00:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presently it eats blocks and tx in a heapless and demonstrably nonoverflowable way, into a general-purpose fixed space (no tx can >1MB) representation that is operable in O(1)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that illuminated by previous comments / my understanding of his work.
mircea_popescu: i had the idea it actually does verify sigs just not scripts.
ben_vulpes: be ye not afraid of appearing retarded in the republic, for questions you might not ask for fear of appearing stupid turn out to illuminate all sorts of things.
mircea_popescu: depends on which kindergarten one went to amirite alfier
ben_vulpes: trb just looks through the script for pubkey or pubkey hash opcodes
deedbot: adlai voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: i thought we're pretty much aware it's 1000000, but anytway
mircea_popescu: vaguely recall this being discussed round the original crisis.
shinohai takes note of ben_vulpes new interest, vows to find irl doggy girls to suit ....
trinque: that second one just seems like she's on coke
phf: i thought you need an office for an office slut
ben_vulpes: hey just because i fired everyone doesn't mean i'm not wandering around naked in the cavernous echo chamber of my own delusion every day
shinohai: Wanted: One office slut. Must be flexible, fit under desks, and be able to emulate canine behaviours. No collar required.
phf: i sort of assume that people who quit job to be with family look and act like derek ireland at the end of one of his yoga videos
mircea_popescu: 's teh problem, he can just turn part of the corvette into an office!
ben_vulpes: corvette's too cramped to even get road head in halfway conveniently
trinque: corvette activites are meant to be done on the hood
ben_vulpes: shinohai: honestly the only canine behaviors i really want are "sit" and "shut up"
jhvh1: Last 1 lines bashed and pending publication
mircea_popescu: and in fairness i dun think i have to bid anyoine shut up once a week.
ben_vulpes: you've been at it, what, a decade and a half at this point?
phf: i think "sit" and "shut up" is aspirational. when you're at that point, you kind of want something practical out
ben_vulpes: but also those are just the canine behaviors, neh?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes notrly. i mean i dunno, to my eyes the whole "dog as pet" thing is kinda inept. get a hunting dog, go hunting with it, suddenly it's a lot more respectable an animal.
phf: well, it's a telling selection of canine behaviors is my point. my dog was a lot more useful than "sit" and "shut up"
mircea_popescu: dog-pets work fine for 5 to maybe 11 or 12yo boys, but this mostly because the kid will pull its ears etc.
trinque: guy was possibly making a joke
trinque: but yes, kind of like these folks that never put anything in the back of their truck
trinque: "maybe you're the mini cooper type..."
ben_vulpes: canine also high value spawn innoculator
trinque: read: lol there is poop in my mouth
trinque: oh god, the regular extended cab is bad enough.
mircea_popescu: he has a point though, there's good reason kids should be raised with puppies not kittenbs.
ben_vulpes: moreover one large reason americans are so sick is a dangerous obsession with the sterile living environment.
mircea_popescu: this is up to a point unavoidable -- the cheaper synthetics they use, especially fibers, stink.
ben_vulpes: take 'em outside, roll them in dirt, make sure they eat some.
ben_vulpes: what does the stink have to do with the sterility obsession?
ben_vulpes: or is this in re the fragrance obsession
ben_vulpes: trinque: oh boy i gotta show you "Master Vulpes and His Hound" some day
mircea_popescu: let's consider a simple illustration : normal milk going sour becomes a different kind of aliment - sour milk. usian milk going sour becomes this utterly bitter horror.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i don't follow the connection between the 'stinky' synthetic fabrics and the bacteria
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i dunno, you implied the stink came from the synthetics alone!
mircea_popescu: all things "that stink" are your brain identifying the metabolic byproduct of bacterial life ; and knowing from experience their presence doesn't mix well with your continued existence.
mircea_popescu: plastics make a splendid substrate for bacteria, much better than anything else.
mircea_popescu: moreover it selects for unfriendly kinds of bacteria (hence the milk example -- tho0ugh there the uht process does the selection)
mircea_popescu: so you're up to a certain point stuck overwashing once you buy the plastic angle.
ben_vulpes: heh and this ocmpounds, because now your kids don't have an immune system because your surfaces are overcolonized (and with the most ahistorical of populations at that), so not only do you have to clean the stink away but also keep ~everything out of the kid's mouths.
mircea_popescu: much like opting to have a natural compost pile in a shady spot in the garden instead of fertilizer and "modern our democracy" will result in a much better ecosystem, with birds and earthworms and so on ; just like a good cheese and yogurt diet rather than taking peptobismol will result in a happier digestion ; just so havinga house full of linens rather than nylons will result in a much happier overal environment to live in,
mircea_popescu: 2nd and 3rd order effects are even more important than the direct
mircea_popescu: (3rd order : the best fungicide is... bacteria. the best antiseptic is... bacteria. that's why your skin stays healthy -- you are covered by your friends.)
ben_vulpes: funny how all manifestations of modernity look alike. entertain even a smidge of wokeness and you'll wake up in trans camp.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: by now there's just too many of these small and "in itself defensible" idiocies piled up.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 20:47 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632355 << orlol discussed this, and it was 100% true, 'homo americanus' has some very serious damage that is very expensive to build prosthesis for -- he has no family , no friends, no one will lend him money other than at extortionate rates, has no one alive whom he could live with in small hut, 5 to 10 sq. metres, without killing one another
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform missing ~ to properly indicate authorsheep
ben_vulpes: why hands when mathematica lets you do it with arse!
CompanionCube: asciilifeform: presumably because they are too lazy for that
CompanionCube: nope, but from their perspective it may as well be. Not that I'd agree though.
phf: y'all never tried configuring openvpn
phf: i suspect back in the day it allowed vendors to optimize for usage patterns. "unlimited traffic vpn" vs running it on a tightly metered box
CompanionCube hasn't used tincd as a VPN-to-the-internet, only as a virtual LAN equivalent.
CompanionCube: it looks almost exactly like Medium. Are you sure it isn't?
ben_vulpes: "software developers must save our privacy" and other such nonsense
CompanionCube: because I was saying that it either was or is a deliberate clone
ben_vulpes: giant towers with water, calories and internet piped directly to the basics
ben_vulpes: there are conditions beyond "being black"
phf: the obamacare strategy
ben_vulpes: dilution of the dollar to pay for encampment of takers i'm hedged against
ben_vulpes: taxation and forced-purchase-of-bunk-paper, not so much.
phf: ben_vulpes: i'm sure there's some ideological angle where two are not the same, but from where i sit...
ben_vulpes: phf: not ideological, financial! you can hedge against devaluation. what is the hedge against moar taxes?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 16:42 mircea_popescu: possibly we're talking of two things.
phf: ben_vulpes: if your hendging against devaluation happens in bezzle terms, but your more tax is the "guberment done it", than this distinction makes sense. i don't think that in reality more tax just happens, it's a process by which devaluation graph gets readjusted
phf: it's the diff between bezzle and tide. tax increase happens in sync with devaluation because otherwise you discover that there's not enough aspirin.
phf: i don't think aspirin though is a good example, because "obviously" there aren't any aspirin shortages. likewise there are obviously no housing shortages, doctor shortages, etc. etc.
phf: i still think that the reason is that there are no lizards in a recognizable form (i.e. the 1984, hugo boss clad), it's all a chomsky style dependency graph, and the complexity so high, micro level so varied, that nobody can make sense of it
phf: same reason you can't buy запаÑожеÑ
phf: oh ffs, i gotta fix my client
phf: well, "a man might give half a shit about". you're talking about GOST style global optimization "plant makes same material for parachutes and fasihonable summer dresses"
phf: it's same reason why every american has an inflatable plastic mattress for guests, but not a raskladushka
phf: correct, that's the 80s "choice" that was made, you either get zvezdniy gorodok or jeens
ben_vulpes: are y'all going to just skip right over the anti-combustible chemicals with which nearly every new thing is impregnated these days?
phf: imo the problem is not the chosen product, but the mechanism by which the choice was made (and is continously remade in many micro instances)
a111: Logged on 2013-12-22 16:56 asciilifeform: 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the infor
ben_vulpes: army surplus thing, was amazing until i handled it roughly packing up from a burn and bent one of the struts.
ben_vulpes: i imagine there's some "oh no, you couldn't possibly imagine the superiority of the su raskladushka" inbound
phf: ben_vulpes: nah it was a piece of shit. i got one from walmart and it's pretty good. advantage though was that you could repair it for years, and since there was only ~one~ type, you could also replace parts for years, etc.
ben_vulpes: phf: some days i dream of making a car like that
phf: ben_vulpes: that was my zaporozhets comment. ultimate piece of shit car, with the main perk: can be repaired in a shortages economy
phf: everything down to the engine
phf: "working class car for working class people" etc.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: fashion, unfortunately.
ben_vulpes: modern car loses 90% of value after 5 years and 100kmi, an industrial piece like a freightliner loses at most 70% after a decade and A MILLION MILES
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes has a shirt awaiting deconstruction into patterns sitting at home
ben_vulpes: silly me, i thought the movie was called "nostalgatron from home planet"
ben_vulpes: lol taaki got locked up for fighting in syria?
ben_vulpes: "When Taaki reached the camp on the Syrian side of the border, he says, he tried to explain to the elderly officer in charge that he’d come to Rojava to offer his tech skills in one of Rojava’s cities, not to fight. But as Taaki tells it, the man waved away his protests and conscripted him into a unit with the other foreigners."
ben_vulpes: oh god i know conde nasty is persona non grata but this is gold
ben_vulpes: definitely some amount of "no leaving the states, pleb" in action, sure
phf: aka where the white women at
ben_vulpes: girl who said she'd get him reassigned bought the farm
a111: Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
CompanionCube: it has pretty shitty laws for that kind of thing. See: RIPA.
CompanionCube: fuck, even the US'd be a better place. There there isn't a law that literally states you must disclose encryption keys on-demand.
ben_vulpes: you still get locked up for not complying, CompanionCube.
trinque would read an asciilifeform sci-fi short on coke machine.
trinque: would fit nicely into mircea_popescu's future dystopia
a111: Logged on 2015-09-25 20:10 ascii_field: this is precisely the condition needed for the coke machine
a111: Logged on 2015-06-24 17:28 ascii_field: it will be replaced - question of ~when~, not ~if~ - by something like an oubliette with a vending machine
phf: coke machine story should be set in the same universe/time as the pgp key story