tmsr - Log 2017-08-24

mike_c: I ordered this shit from amazon before I orderd the goats. Goats arrived, still waiting for amazon package.

mircea_popescu: alf has been very on top of deliveries

mircea_popescu: o btw asciilifeform any progress re the matchstick pattern game ?

mircea_popescu: you recall, you had to guess how the arrangement relates to a number

mircea_popescu: hanbot was teh witness

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702601 << turns out the soviet bureau of intertubes was laying me a fatter pipe. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 17:50 trinque: hm, several minutes of lag from me to freenode atm. mitm dept didn't pay their aws bill?

mircea_popescu: trinque practically the same thing!!

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hanbot was teh witness << aha. i concurr it is a system, she was able to decipher it.

deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/23/the-fringe-edmonton-2017/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Fringe Edmonton 2017

a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 03:20 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xwwuJ/?raw=true

mircea_popescu: i thought i sent you an answer.

mircea_popescu: hm. 1 sec.

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gKFli/?raw=true

mircea_popescu: nono, ty

ben_vulpes: wowee, somehow uber racked up 9kusd in losses on each subprime vehicle lease

mircea_popescu: "somehow"

ben_vulpes: "nobody could have predicted that the auto companies cannibalizing sales through financing and aggressive lease practices would blow depreciation rates sky high"

diana_coman: runsegshet getting robbed is a personal thing so nobody can answer that for you other than yourself; as to hoping and the more general case: ditch hope, take action;

runsegshet: I want to take action to safe keep my bitcoin, but dont know technicals to not be segwit tokens ☟︎

diana_coman: runsegshet, so learn; run your own node keeping your bitcoin; start perhaps from http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html

diana_coman: runsegshet, moreover, I suppose as an easy/quick solution you could even simply transfer your bitcoin into ECu in Eulora - I guess it is the lowest effort option to keep and even use btc at this moment; e.g. http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Ecu

runsegshet: I'd be trading digital gold for what appears to be electronic copper in a video game ☟︎

diana_coman: how do you figure one is digital and the other one electronic? one is gold, the other one copper?

diana_coman: but yes: you need to read and figure out whether it works for you or not, no escape there

runsegshet: dont want to sell for usdt or fiat or altshits like litecoin until this blows over

runsegshet: Also is core hard forked from TRB? How would one be able to mine TRB instead? ☟︎

diana_coman: runsegshet, read and ask more specific questions if any; in other words: learn; there's no way anybody else will simply do the work *for* you - if they do it, it will be for them and so you can at most...hope; poor path that one, even if very crowded indeed; if you want to hold bitcoins, you need to figure out the "technical" details too, no other way around it

diana_coman: and while you are still around: register a key here because otherwise nobody will spend more time with some random nick that can't be in any way assigned to any sort of "you" at all

diana_coman: well, some might of course, but it's again a matter of...hoping they will, sort of thign ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702759 << eventually this will necessarily happen, yes. "segwit" transactions are stored on the bitcoin network as "anyone can spend", so eventually miners will unroll the segwit chain. how soon is not easily predicted (which is why the idea is stupid/usg-like, introduces impredictability in the currency) ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 12:42 runsegshet: miners going to spend to themselves and steal segshit coins?

mircea_popescu: just don't accept "segwit" payments, and don't use their scamware, you'll be fine.

mircea_popescu: !!up runsegshet

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702761 << run trb. follow mod6 's instructions, it's a relatively painless half hour install on most any sane linux. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 12:42 runsegshet: I want to take action to safe keep my bitcoin, but dont know technicals to not be segwit tokens

mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html <<

mircea_popescu: mod6 so fucking epic you got that ready so we can just link noobs. good work man.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702770 << the only advantage eulora has is the low friction, there's no cost to transfer ecu from one player to another. it costs about 5 bux to move btc on the bitcoin chain. if your holdings are small enough, this matters. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 13:00 runsegshet: I'd be trading digital gold for what appears to be electronic copper in a video game

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702777 << yes, that'll work fine. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 13:03 runsegshet: I can't just send to paper wallets and be safe?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702779 << core hasn't yet hardforked from trb. their "segwit" thing is a "soft fork". basically they intend to make everyone's transactions be blockchain messages instead of actual transactions. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 13:12 runsegshet: Also is core hard forked from TRB? How would one be able to mine TRB instead?

mircea_popescu: ie right now, if i want to spend from 1address to 1youraddress i end up composing a transaction that gets mined (emplaced in a block). it's about 250 bytes worth of 1address signs transaction x where it got coin, and hash of 1youyraddress etc.

mircea_popescu: their idea is to INSTEAD just store 16 bytes worth of that transaction's HASH.

mircea_popescu: this works in the sense that whoever has the hash AND the transaction that was hashed can prove that indeed that transaction was hashed (it's how http://deedbot.org/ works to notarize documents for instance).

mircea_popescu: nevertheless, hashes are by definition unreversable, and they no longer propagate transactions. so i wouldn't know your transaction from adams' or "your" pile of nonsense from another's.

mircea_popescu: basically a very drastic reduction in quality of life, fit for a socialist empire. something on the level of "hey mr, you have this contract to have two cartons of milk delivered each mon, wed, fri and sun. how about we deliver JUST THE CARDBOARD, empty ? it will be 5% cheaper and you can have them every day instead!"

mircea_popescu: typical soviet americana.

mircea_popescu: lol right. they show it to you on THEIR facebook page, please follow them

asciilifeform not wholly off subject, was looking into what using sram for main memory would cost. turns out -- surprise? -- approx same as what dram cost in mid-90s

mircea_popescu: marches on.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702786 << i entertain noobs/unknowns mostly because/when my answers to their questions are actually worth reading. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 13:38 diana_coman: well, some might of course, but it's again a matter of...hoping they will, sort of thign

asciilifeform: ( why to do this ? just as in other cases of 'i can't believe it's not X!', dram is not actually random-access -- all currently sold drams only achieve their rated speed in 'burst mode'; and from that it follows that they are only ever read to fill a cache line; and from this, trivial timing leak etc. and the joys of 'rowhammer', bonus. ) ☟︎☟︎

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so fucking epic you got that ready so we can just link noobs. good work man. << thanks! no problem.

mircea_popescu: there's a lot of "smart shit we don't bother to mention because everyone knows" sorta thing. this is also how/why the inept noobs that get silenced do : not worth talkingt to.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would definitely buy some sram machines.

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702796 <- it's actually even download& run sort of thing and no online/keeping up to date requirement; one has to keep their key ofc, but that's about as low bar as it gets I think ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 14:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702770 << the only advantage eulora has is the low friction, there's no cost to transfer ecu from one player to another. it costs about 5 bux to move btc on the bitcoin chain. if your holdings are small enough, this matters.

mircea_popescu: take the item this line is written on -- it doesn't fucking need dram. in fact, it could be a 386.

mircea_popescu: right diana_coman

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aren't you doing too many things at once ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i ain't putting it into production yet. just sits there on hdd, lol.

mircea_popescu: low runs prolly

mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not sure what's easier, eulora install or trb install. they're very similar processes for some reason (har har)

mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah there's also no "catching up with the chain", one can turn eulora off for five years, turn it back on (maybe have to get a new client, till we freeze that down) and be ready to go. but then again the cost of having to check the blockchain isn't THAT terrible, we bring up back new nodes all the time. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: !!up runsegshet

runsegshet: TRB how to isn't truly noob proof. I have never even used Linux. I'm not qualified to run a TRB node it seems. I'm just a user who wants my BTC to remain mine ☟︎

mircea_popescu: paper wallets will work.

mircea_popescu: understand -- there is NO safe way to operate bitcoin in windows.

mircea_popescu: windows is fundamentally unsecure-able.

mircea_popescu: linux isn't much better, practically. but there's a difference in kind, you could in principle have a secure linux machine, even if most people don't bother to. whereas the secure windows machine is a myth, like the happy feminist.

mircea_popescu: possibly, if you put linux on it.

mircea_popescu has very little experience with macs. get phf or another ewxpert's opinion

runsegshet: What about hardware wallets like Ledger nano? Are those secure enough to hold TRB safe?

mircea_popescu: the one's we've seen weren't.

mircea_popescu: !#s trezor

mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone cut apart one such ledger nano, so dunno

mircea_popescu: in principle a hardware wallet should be secure, because a sheet of paper (also a kind of hardware wallet) is.

mircea_popescu: but in general, people make them shitty because they're inept and in a hurry.

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702832 <- aha; trouble is that people are scared of the "cost" and like any scare it is way bigger than the actual real thing; as previously mentioned I really don't see this "I can hold bitcoin without knowing /getting dirty with it" thing ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 14:57 mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah there's also no "catching up with the chain", one can turn eulora off for five years, turn it back on (maybe have to get a new client, till we freeze that down) and be ready to go. but then again the cost of having to check the blockchain isn't THAT terrible, we bring up back new nodes all the time.

mircea_popescu: !!up PeterL

runsegshet: Ledger uses a chrome extension for the wallet... which to me seems really sketchy

mircea_popescu: doesn't sound too good.

PeterL: So I was thinking about how asciilifeform suggested generating new random numbers until you hit a prime instead of incrementing a single random number to find the next prime, and my initial guess would that generating new numbers would take a lot longer

PeterL: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kY6bd/?raw=true << turns out it is about the same amount of time

mircea_popescu: aha.

mircea_popescu: that's his point, if you have the rng it's much better quality secret primes for the same effort.

asciilifeform: PeterL: the 'cryptography komyoonity' derps didn't do it 'because slow', but because entropy-poor machine

mircea_popescu: "didn't not do it"

mircea_popescu: PeterL trying to drive a concrete slab also slow.

mircea_popescu: entropy poor machine is definitionally not supposed to rsa

asciilifeform: upstack : hey mircea_popescu , is it time to add a 'we dun take shitcoins' warning to snsa shop page ?

mircea_popescu: just ignore the segwitolade, let them figure it out.

mircea_popescu: and let power rangers add the warnings, "our altcoin isn't universally accepted, always make sure and ask"

mircea_popescu: people who write checks instead of paying cash don't automatically expect their mom note be accepted by merchants. why would these ?

asciilifeform: ( gotta walk the tx upstream by hand and look for anyonecanspendolade )

mircea_popescu: um. how would trb see the tx anyway ? it dun interpret segwit

asciilifeform: recall, 'anyonecanspend', so it got spent, possibly a block or however many in the past

mircea_popescu: yeah but if it meanwhile got anchored in a proper tx it's good.

mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely sure how it would be, but anyway.

mircea_popescu: you can't "unwind" upstream of a blockchain tx.

mircea_popescu: let's model this.

mircea_popescu: at time t in tx 1 address 1a gets coin chunk.

mircea_popescu: at time t1, via tx2, address 1a spends coin chunk on segwit chain. this appears to you and me as "1a sent coins to black hole"

mircea_popescu: at time t2, SOMEHOW (im not even sure this is possible), someone in black hole sends coin chunk back to address 1b.

mircea_popescu: tx3, through which this is done, is mined.

mircea_popescu: at time t3 you receive a payment from 1b, of that self-same coin chunk.

asciilifeform: ( the spendability condition is enforced by the miner cabal, promisetronically )

mircea_popescu: now at this time t3, you judge the quality of the input as always : block delta between t2 and t3.

mircea_popescu: if it's say 24 blocks, it's POSSIBLE someone undoes your tx, but not likely (needs 24 block lead to unroll the chain)

mircea_popescu: and at 124 blocks, even less likely. and so on.

mircea_popescu: make sense ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i deliberately didn't want to make any assumptions. "black box" if you prefer.

mircea_popescu is not entirely convinced the ~implementation~ of segwit as executed by the power rangers will even work. because that's what they do, it woul;dn't be the first time. or the second. it'd be like the 5th time, which is how many soft forks they did.

asciilifeform: there's a few interesting divergences from the protocol as commonly understood, in the actual clients ( esp prb ). for instance the capacity to backtrack orphan chains longer than a dozen or so is ~untested for eons

mircea_popescu: in fact, the difference between power rangers and "ethereum developers" is entirely nil, which is why the "ethereum community" is flattering itself into relevancy : they compare themselves to the power rangers, and come to the conclusion that "similar kind, dispute to be resolved by headcount".

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.

mircea_popescu: anyway. goat finds it very easy to not think about the gun in the drawer in the house it's not allowed to go into. and so comes to conclusion man is ~goat.

mircea_popescu: and that time man walked into goat herd, picked fattest kid, slit his throat and splashed everyone in blood was you know "never proven to have happened" hurr durr.

asciilifeform: goat will go to the soup pot still thinking of man as simply a vertical goat, 'and if the cards had fallen differently, it'd be him under the knife' etc

mircea_popescu: oya.

mircea_popescu: this has been so amply proven by the crypto exercise as to compete with darwinism.

mircea_popescu: (of course, like darwinism, there's a large mass of religious "critics" of the notion)

mircea_popescu: retrospectively notrly, no.

asciilifeform revved up a bigbloxforq node a la pete_dushenski , 'i'ma cash in my shitcoin', discovers that various goxes (e.g. 'shapeshift') dun really wanna buy so much

asciilifeform: and that's just the gox where you can get said info in advance of actually sinking in any shitcoinz

mircea_popescu: why, they've no disposable emails where you live ?

asciilifeform: last time i did this, it was moar sweat than worth ( they ban obvious lamermails )

mircea_popescu: heh. kinda like how the usg maintains the pretense of "value" of the usd too huh

mircea_popescu: "make it more sweat than worth to rape it".

mircea_popescu: it's altcoins all the way down to fed vault!

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZckEb/?raw=true

mircea_popescu: aite.

mircea_popescu: wtf is "krw" at that.

mircea_popescu: nutty bullshit, https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/#markets is led (and mostly composed of) some unheard of "Exchange" trading bitcoin crash for "krw", and pretending like this exchange of items not worth money is worth dollars somehow. 104 mn of it, ROUNDLY like that. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: so fucking totally not a case of "here's my website, i write numbers into it" you wouldn't believe.

mircea_popescu: coinmarketcap site lists "bch/krw" pairs, but if you use its own god damned "search currencies" item, it doesn't know what krw even is.

mircea_popescu: "hurr durr, let's pretend like usg-korea is a place and let's pretend it's gonna innovate and bla bla"

mircea_popescu: pssssahw.

mircea_popescu: and in other lulz from the swamp : "The divided United States of America will unite today, sharing a cosmic event predicted by the methods and tools of science." apud Neil deGRasse TysonVerified account.

mircea_popescu: you know, random fake media soap bubble fucking-loves-"leadership" in the pantsuit sense of teh term

mircea_popescu: (that's been the big pantsuit talking point, pushed for the past week or so by teh faux news orgs : that trump "fails to lead" and that therefore and thereby all sorts of others are "filling in the void". very much in the vein of alf's prediction)

asciilifeform: solar eclipses, meritwashing mediocrities with lookup tables ever since aztec priests 'helped' quetzalcoatl spit back out the sun he swallowed

mircea_popescu: aha! isn't it funny who's talking, and what they're talking about ?

mircea_popescu: deGRasse TysonVerified account

mircea_popescu: he's an obama-nigglet.

mircea_popescu: in the sense toyota is the current bmw, sure.

mircea_popescu: you mean the pantsuit science czar ?

shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702926 <<< Likely a VERified exchange operated by Jihan Wu et all ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 15:48 mircea_popescu: nutty bullshit, https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/#markets is led (and mostly composed of) some unheard of "Exchange" trading bitcoin crash for "krw", and pretending like this exchange of items not worth money is worth dollars somehow. 104 mn of it, ROUNDLY like that.

mircea_popescu: i think it dates to the Surgeon General Warning's Verifiedaccount.

mircea_popescu: shinohai aha. that was teh subtext.

mircea_popescu is totally going to stick to this format. maybe deGRasse account TysonVerified and so on.

mircea_popescu: too much BingoBoingo -esque epic lulz to pass on.

shinohai: "if BCH earns highest proof of work and highest market cap over time, it will become Bitcoin in my opinion. Same with Bitcoin Core. Same with Btc1." https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-segwit2x/2017-August/000286.html

mircea_popescu: myeah.

mircea_popescu: he's a typical schmuck, a la jwz. wants a comfortable existence and really, all these complicated shits scare him shitless.

mircea_popescu: see, asciilifeform, if one wants examples re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699949 then half the people present at c1 are the finest of examples! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 04:00 mircea_popescu: otherwise what, we'll be stuck in 2020 dealing with legacy yahoos ? noty.

mircea_popescu: take voorhees! in 2013 he was great -- not entirely retarded kid, some business experience (earned in daddy's shop, but then again, so did trump). way better than 99% of all those involved.

mircea_popescu: come 2017 ... he's barely qualified to shrem. not even on the fucking list, art all. what 99% ?

mircea_popescu: take the xapo schmuck, what's his face, the argentine "entrepreneur".

mircea_popescu: in 2013 he seemed credible. in 2017 we meanwhile found out what a fucking joke argentina is ; and this mutation exactly describes him, too.

shinohai: Oh dear Lord ... the one that puts Post-It notes outside the "Bitcoin Embassy" or what the fuck ever

mircea_popescu: take who the fuck will you take, thickasthieves ? way ahead of the pack back when the pack consisted of "neobee will save bitcoin from ???".

mircea_popescu: and so it goes, the table stakes keep ratcheting up. "hey, i'm the coolest kid in my village!" is great for while we're still talking the village.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly i wasn't alive for c1, missed out on the freakshow

mircea_popescu: and the list keeps going and going. gavin or mike hearn were (their moral turpitude aside), ~technically~ qualified to participate back in 2012.

mircea_popescu: back then the standard for technical qualification was "hey, let's put 10 bytes of txid in one point of the log and 14 in another. FUCK YOU!"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we had conversations about quantum computers.

asciilifeform: in those days, asciilifeform naively -- and silently -- imagined that as soon as btc began to be worth palpable moneys, the 'big kidz' quietly hired d00dz with long, long beards, to write ada node

mircea_popescu: i thought ada was recent-er discovery.

mircea_popescu: i mean as far as you're concerned.

mircea_popescu: actually i suppose the ur-example of "washed out of bitcoin" would be http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/

asciilifeform: mno, i knew about it as a boy. but had no clue that time would come to write it with own hands

mircea_popescu: back in the days of mpoe-pr, he was the single "competitor" so to speak, ie, person at the same level. "deathandtaxes".

mircea_popescu: hehe

mircea_popescu: "You may have heard someone say something like" fucking fucktard.

mircea_popescu: "someone".

mircea_popescu is now getting pissed off at conflicts long resolved through the beheading of the conflicterers. what a life.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile irl, bitcoin tx costs 5 bux at the very most. wire costs 50 bux at a minimum, plus whatever bank tacks on to that.

mircea_popescu: clearly the cheap alternative has to change!! god forbid people see the value of bitcoin to the point they're willing to pay more to use it than to use SWIFT!!! WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE BANKS!!!1

mircea_popescu: nor the average wire.

mircea_popescu: anyway. i'm rather looking forward to the 10k usd/btc doing 1 bitcent txfees and everyone from goldman sachs to goldman sachs salivating on the side.

mircea_popescu: "HOW CAN SOMEONE CHARGE FOR FINANCIAL TRANSFERS AND NOT CUT US IN!!11"

mircea_popescu: that'll be a joyous moment.

asciilifeform: btw i suspect that even nao, the txfee is a small piece of the actual cost of moving btc

asciilifeform: ( nodes, and hands with which to maintain'em, are 'only free if you already got'em' )

mircea_popescu: quite.

mircea_popescu: as our earlier friend well pointed out.

asciilifeform: sorta how the cost of moving gold bars does not consist solely of the req'd joules to physically move'em through atmosphere

mircea_popescu: aha. part of why the whole "bitcoin tx fee" argument was so thoroughly derrided.

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702835 << understand that the concept of 'mine' 100% depends on your ability to bolt 'yours' down, which may require you to expand your capacity to bolt! See also: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22it+works+if+you+work+it%22 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 14:59 runsegshet: TRB how to isn't truly noob proof. I have never even used Linux. I'm not qualified to run a TRB node it seems. I'm just a user who wants my BTC to remain mine

asciilifeform: lobbes: folx are TO THIS DAY finding jars of au left behind by romans who thought that they 'owned it'

mircea_popescu: they owned it quite well, if it's only re-owned now.

BingoBoingo: Cocksuckers at WAPO turn to attacking a REAL American icon https://archive.is/TePbJ

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~equally often they find cigar box of au, weimar banknotes, etc drywalled in by ww2 j00z

mircea_popescu: aha.

mircea_popescu: "1MB doesn't can't even keep up with existing non-retail payment networks.

mircea_popescu: Going back to that coffee meme, the implied message is that 1MB is fine unless for everything else. You know substantial stuff like paying your mortgage, business deals, major capital expenditures, or paying a supplier for inventory. This just isn't the case though. Do you know anyone who pays for coffee with a bank wire? The FedWire service (run by US federal reserve) processes ~150 million bank wires annually. "

mircea_popescu: !~calc 1000000 / 255 * 6 * 24 * 365

mircea_popescu: o noes, bitcoion can support 200mn anually! same as fed! hurr durr not ernough space!

mircea_popescu: and no, "take the money freom these 3 accts and send to these 8 acfcounts" IS NOT ONE TRANSACTION. it's like 11.

mircea_popescu: such pile of ancient lulz we're sitting on, srsly now./

mircea_popescu: and, of course, "that coffee meme". not http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ but you know, "someone". because if the muppet herders don't mention mp to the muppets therefore mp won't be 1. muppet famous and 2. won't have the herders' ass.

mircea_popescu: except 1 dun work in practice, let alone 2. but hey.

asciilifeform: in other quasi-noose, here's a simple electric rng suitable for very low bit-rate application ( e.g. walletrons for sig nonce ) : small mercury tilt switch, gates clock signal to counter, and a flipflop. when the latter toggles, the counter value is forwarded to a register; every 2 shots end up vonneumanned and xor'd into the output reg.

mircea_popescu: this is the mic'd hooker all over again

mircea_popescu: but temperaturew and whatever

mircea_popescu: you want what, like a wen-ba ball basically ?

asciilifeform: this approach actually extracts the very low bit rate of entropy available from the muscle of the meat.

mircea_popescu: i guess not quite. stil, instrumented hooker.

mircea_popescu: the reason people don't fuck dog/rat is principally that woman cheaper.

asciilifeform: btw you can make this right now by attaching 2 hg tilt switches to a fg , 1 on each end ( b/w the middle and the +v pins ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: the only thing this method has to recommend it, is that it is utterly insensitive to environmental conditions and to variations in components.

mircea_popescu: kv-1 rng

mircea_popescu: !~translate ru to en Прощай КВ братишка наш!!

mircea_popescu: hf ?!

mircea_popescu: this is a pretty good companion for the eggog list.

asciilifeform: hey if robotranslators worked, anglotards would be sorta like deaf folx, could get by

mircea_popescu: hf our brother.

asciilifeform: actually there's a whole subculture of '90s spectacular translator fails

mircea_popescu: there's not so much difference between google "ai" as seen here ; and lookup table mixups as seen with the original eggog.

mircea_popescu: in fact... NO DIFFERENCE.

asciilifeform: e.g. film 'diehard' ended up translated by one 'genius' to title 'умри тяжело' ☟︎☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: !~translate ru to en умри тяжело

mircea_popescu: see ?

mircea_popescu: better than "die hardly", which is what teh russian'd say :D

asciilifeform: or, more famously, a character referring to 'general motors' ends up speaking of a Генерал Моторс ☟︎

mircea_popescu: (ftr i maintain this isn't even a bad translation)

mircea_popescu: works in english too!

mircea_popescu: neither of these are bad translations imo.

mircea_popescu: (we have this joke in household, "General X", all the various generals.)

mircea_popescu: i'd say something like "not commonly seen in general practice" and eyes will sparkle, "oooo, General Practice!"

asciilifeform pictures the generals Electric, Motors, Dynamics, and Relativity, around a table

mircea_popescu: aha!@

asciilifeform: the added noise immunity you get from the analogue business end ~not being a semiconductor~ is considerable.

asciilifeform: phunphakt -- at one time usg considered these 'dual use item', on account of their popularity as carbomb trigger

asciilifeform: and - while we're on subj -- the naive replacement, a ball-in-pipe tilt switch, is NOT suitable for rng -- contact bounce is patterned; and oxidized contacts -- semiconduct.

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4205.0, vol: 12217.27969382 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4206.9, vol: 21819.56422789 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4234.101, vol: 4993.05066671 | Volume-weighted last average: 4209.78504852

asciilifeform: meanwhile in monkeylandia, in charlottesville va : '...Police say the car was covered in dents prior and apparently hit by a bat'

asciilifeform: i'll add, though ianal, that va is -- at least on paper -- a 'castle' state

BingoBoingo: "They encircled a passing motorist in his vehicle and attacked the 20 year old motorist, attempting to remove him from his car. This lead to the motorist's Dodge Challenger2 colliding with a collection of Antifa bodies in an apparent attempt to escape." >> http://qntra.net/2017/08/antifa-terrorists-and-pantsuit-local-government-shut-down-conservative-rally-fatalities-reported/

asciilifeform: which means if the driver had a kalash, he would have been theoretically in the clear, if he had used it, right through the window

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, the videos showed a "sea of baseball bats" (other's words) around car

mircea_popescu: guy's gonna walk.

BingoBoingo: Leading to "and apparently hit by a bat" vs, assumed piece of shit outside during hail

asciilifeform: they'll nail him in a 'civil' 'wrongful death' or whatever nonsense. pantsuit gets infinite lawyering for $0; d00d -- prolly already penniless

mircea_popescu: the whole "pantsuit worldview is supported by the courts" is borne out of review of pantsuit faux news sites ; not out of review of actual court cases.

mircea_popescu: dude shot an uppity black kid recently FOR being uppity recently, walked.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ain't that what the installation of 'magistrates' etc. freislers, is for

mircea_popescu: buncha priviledged white sons raped the shit out of a random poor ho, walked.

mircea_popescu: and so on.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it doesn't extend to charlottessville. it's mostly a queens and brooklyn thing.

mircea_popescu: understand, the us is big, the pantsuit few... it's not so easy.

mircea_popescu: to put it another way : pantsuit illegitimacy MEANS something. this is what it means.

mircea_popescu: that when they get one over they'd better fucking advertise it well. because it's the one they get.

asciilifeform: the lever they've been using since rodneyking(tm)(r) is 'he walks, we burn $100B of city'

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> iirc the last major 'walked' was in fl. << Baltimore cops walked on the "not buckling up crack dealer in van" murder charge

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my guess that the guy will walk is based on the knowledge that the da's have been struiggling to NOT take the case. ie, someone will have to, but i dun wanna be it.

mircea_popescu: terrible case from their pov, the redditards consider it a prerequisite victory and the evidence dun support

mircea_popescu: so expect they.

mircea_popescu: the only problerm -- someone to actually do the work

mircea_popescu: otherwise reddington post fulla idea "men" in diaper suits.

mircea_popescu: heh.

mircea_popescu: here's the thing with the monkey herds : they can all agree that "x is to be done" until blue in the face. the problem is that a specific X will have to do it. and the word is out whoever does it gets fucked in the ass, as per that ancient von flondor discussion.

mircea_popescu: so now the pantsuit agreements look like " it should be done -- but by someone else."

mircea_popescu: major operational degrading.

mircea_popescu: depends how you count.

mircea_popescu: take the dnc. still looking for a chumpairman.

mircea_popescu: anyway. compare to the 90s, arguably the pantsuit's only glory times. back then, das would have fought each other TO get this case. surefire governorship

mircea_popescu: nowadays they deasl in surefire bharara-izations, not in surefire governships.

mircea_popescu: and in further tales from the orclands : place mp rented (furnished!) included something like a quarter ton worth of silver plate. because the woman likes it or something. among the vessels, this reasonably nice cup, with a lid. both the cup and the lid were chiseled into shape, but the lid had a forged pompom added on top, for ease of handling i guess or whatever.

mircea_popescu: obviously the chiseled bit and the forged bit were apart when i got 'em, and today finally got around to fixing the item. which, you imagine by now, first requires cleaning the surfaces from all the previous "fixer"'s efforts.

mircea_popescu: i removed, in this order : one layer caulk (no, really, it won't hold silver ?) ; one layer superglue ; and an unidentified oldest layer which i suspect might actuallty be flour-and-water.

mircea_popescu: the myth of "you're a human being and therefore you can do anything human beings can do" strikes again.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, borrowed some solder glue.

mircea_popescu: there's a special eutectic formulation of silver.

mircea_popescu: there;s also special brazing flux. but i had a can

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah. well i guess maybe the "easy" sort.

mircea_popescu: hard solder glue is used with torch not soldering iron

mircea_popescu: well, there's glue and there's filler.

mircea_popescu: filler is intended to fill cracks, ie, no resistence is expected of it. glue is supposed to actually join disparate parts.

mircea_popescu: (before anyone tries the cutting weld torch on their wedding ring : the torch here discussed is a tiny thing, not-that._

a111: Logged on 2014-11-05 06:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've a story about those things.

asciilifeform: incidentally there is a very spiffy tool ( that i dun currently have one of ) for such occasions, that runs on... distilled water and many many amps of dc

mircea_popescu: there's also arc welders. pulse, 2-3 a sec, 2-3 amps or so

mircea_popescu: basically your cap.

mircea_popescu: yeah.

mircea_popescu: honestly the tiny jeweler's torch is imo the solution.

mircea_popescu: oxy/propane

asciilifeform: 'water torch' uses h2/o2. ( actually predates all other welding mixtures. )

asciilifeform: went largely out of style outside of jewelry and exotic metals work, because boom

mircea_popescu: this thing, usually plugs into like a campging cooker for the gas.

asciilifeform: http://archive.is/e38Qx << what asciilifeform has ( iirc there was a thread about this item, but can't seem to find )

mircea_popescu: radio shack eh ?

mircea_popescu: anyway, much better to have it pluggable into commodity reservoir than get special.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702511 << ahahaha nigga say wut! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 04:38 BingoBoingo: In the turrdorist department https://archive.is/MuV2n

mircea_popescu: this IS the right internet. the pantsuit are more than welcome to build their alt-internetcoin.

mircea_popescu: i predict it'll work just as well as all their other "no really it's the original" clones worked.

mircea_popescu: hurr durr, "those other people are isolated because our internet consists of google amazon and facebook and we don't look outside herpa derpa"

mircea_popescu: meanwhile under the tree, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e69be6ae48b41f91b5e6d48136ef66fc/tumblr_nyo7bmYuDI1uco4pdo1_1280.jpg

asciilifeform: 'Cloudflare — a web services company known for never banning anything — dropped the Daily Stormer in a fit of pique' << lol!!

asciilifeform: 'an upstart company — especially one that’s deliberately isolated and adversarial — would have trouble competing with providing the type of service that Cloudflare, or its similarly massive competitor like Akamai, can' lolx2

asciilifeform: ( i.e. twatter et al no longer have any defense re ~failing~ to censor Officially hated-of-the-day $item, at any future point )

asciilifeform: so per asciilifeform's (nonexpert) understanding, crapflare is now liable for, e.g., continuing to serve isis etc

mircea_popescu: wait a second, cloudflare is a WEB SERVICES company now ? i thought it was a nsa tap services company.