tmsr - Search: alphabet

ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-19 21:23:42 mircea_popescu: "literate" veals, very capable of scribbling their own name in an alphabet of their choice (somehow nobody notices "using an alphabet of your own choice" is THE OPPOSITE OF SPELLING, and the exact definition of illiteracy -- all the fucking farmhands who can't read or write COULD scribble something down, anyone can screech random squgg;lies, with a shovel in a pile of dirt, with their own piss on driven snow, f

mircea_popescu: "literate" veals, very capable of scribbling their own name in an alphabet of their choice (somehow nobody notices "using an alphabet of your own choice" is THE OPPOSITE OF SPELLING, and the exact definition of illiteracy -- all the fucking farmhands who can't read or write COULD scribble something down, anyone can screech random squgg;lies, with a shovel in a pile of dirt, with their own piss on driven snow, fingerpain

mircea_popescu: having an open ended alphabet is like having a square wheel. not how it works.

mircea_popescu: tecuane, the problem with supporting non-alphabet approaches to an alphabet is that you get the worst of both worlds.

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/12/alphabets-youtube-takes-down-bitcoin-and-crypto-videos-before-quickly-restoring-them-as-irrelevant/ << Qntra -- Alphabet's Youtube Takes Down "Bitcoin and Crypto" Videos Before Quickly Restoring Them As Irrelevant

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: also from getting a foreign alphabet welded to it , kazah-style, and the users lacking the spark of life to fucking fix it

asciilifeform: ftr i want to see x86 and arm die , properly, and cremated, they belong in same place as winblows. srsly wtf, picture 'alphabet' of 700 symbols, that's x86..

a111: Logged on 2019-05-22 11:43 mp_en_viaje: custom slavonic-like alphabet for ro language notation, in use a few decades in 19th century ; all extant matter printed by hand-made (and VERY poorly crafted) blocks, literally no two glyphs are alike

mp_en_viaje: custom slavonic-like alphabet for ro language notation, in use a few decades in 19th century ; all extant matter printed by hand-made (and VERY poorly crafted) blocks, literally no two glyphs are alike ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 05:11 mircea_popescu: this paradigm readily explains the soviet state - "rock and roll" relationship, and moreover that historical accident had a lot to do with why alphabet even ~exists~ today. otherwise, on the naked strength of imaginary "advertising revenue" google is worth ~dozen stackexchanges/slashdots/sourceforges. but, generals always fight last year's war, and so here we are, "bayesian lesswisdom".

BingoBoingo: mats: All of the letters of the alphabet are different and words lose their last syllable. Very useful when playing bitches.

asciilifeform: i've spoken with jp folk, they see the notion as roughly similar to how anglos see orlol's phonetic alphabet thing

asciilifeform: so it's rather different situation than cn, which actually escaped inventing alphabet for 5000yrs

asciilifeform: mcarthur tried to ban hieroglyphs, it went nowhere, sorta how peter I was able to cut the 30 redundant greek chars from ru alphabet, but still left 6 or so turds

mircea_popescu: they ~deserved~ the wiping out by confederacy of proper alphabet dunces. to make the point forever fucking plain -- IF YOU UNICODE, you will die for it.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're going to pattern-match this closely your "eliza" will be ~alphabet sized. 1tb phonebook not really "artificial" in any sense, merely parrotlicious.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "made for adsense", early republican technology that consisted of force-leaching of turkey dollars from pre-alphabet google's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663222 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: not so for alphabet, paid that moron a mn a decade ago, its groupon is STILL GOING. and htey're claiming however many billions

mircea_popescu: in other words, the alphabet nonsense is certified to never do anything [to break out of the gulag] whereas the shitcoin nonsense just fucking might. unlikely as all hell, nevertheless unlikely's too dangerous a danger!

mircea_popescu: incidentally, usg.cloudflare got apparently mandated to involve usg.alphabet, they now import it

asciilifeform: lunacharsky (lenin's 'culture' vizier) just snipped off coupla unphonemic letters from alphabet

mircea_popescu: you are talking to a computer ; if you open a tag you close it ; nobody gives a shit what you ~thought~ the alphabet meant.

mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, accurate glyph for lol would have to include sound" "so ?" "so we can't do that" "you can't do any of the other shits you're doing either..." "but a limit must be drawn!" "no, motherfucker. a limit must be drawn alphabet existed already. you're the no limits may be drawn crowd. fucking hang by your own petard, lol is a face emitting sound as glyph!"

mircea_popescu: google does all sorts of "useful" things, basically trying to copy the tmsr model. they have a "google fonts" thing half the sites on the internet link (and in the process, give usg details on the zeks whereabouts every so often) ; they have a "code repository" about a quarter the sites on the internet link (this is instrumental in the multi-mb liquid shit webpage era -- 0 cost liquid shit provided by usg's own alphabet. they

a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 21:55 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience/ << Trilema - How to remove USG.Alphabet (usually called "google" by the jews & pantsuit) from your web experience.

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience/ << Trilema - How to remove USG.Alphabet (usually called "google" by the jews & pantsuit) from your web experience. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: like ye olde ;;google worked but really, no reason to have google still involved in any web process (in fact, i very much recommend iptable-blocking all their ip ranges, because whether you know or not, 80% or so of websites out there tattle back to usg.alphabet, via "google analytics" or w/e else)

ben_vulpes: i have a stack of blank index cards upon which i write or draw whatever thing i feel like training the kid on at any given moment. "memory" games with shapes and letters and numbers, the alphabet and numbers, just starting in on word shapes. beyond that, no blinkenlichten, no plastics, a commitment to correcting diction and grammar all day and i'm pretty sure one's into diminishing returns after that

mircea_popescu: same exact fucking thing, we'll have long buried alphabet and they'll still have hidden under dirty mattresses "certificates of achievement"

mircea_popescu: not anymore than anyone over at alphabet gives a shit about the misadventures of amstan ; or anyone at redhat about the new hole in boeck's ass, or etc.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, alphabet essentially survives, in the perceptible rather than the byzantine imaginarium sense, out of their orclands outposts. exactly as described in http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-121.0-121.824

mircea_popescu: you mean specifically on sending alphabet packing out of computing ? or more generally ?

mircea_popescu: a de-alphabet'd item that has no functioning power button is actually acceptable.

mircea_popescu: this paradigm readily explains the soviet state - "rock and roll" relationship, and moreover that historical accident had a lot to do with why alphabet even ~exists~ today. otherwise, on the naked strength of imaginary "advertising revenue" google is worth ~dozen stackexchanges/slashdots/sourceforges. but, generals always fight last year's war, and so here we are, "bayesian lesswisdom". ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( there's , to asciilifeform's naked eye, moar turk influence in current ro and even ru , than arabic flavour in current persian , if you discount the borrowed alphabet )

mircea_popescu: (laugh if you will, however a) this is EXACTLY what alphabet imagines "artificial intelligence" means and b) this is EXACTLY what they teach them to do in school these days. so... joke's on you, mr barbarian bereft of bayesian behehehnologies.)

ben_vulpes: on the topic of OSen, there's also alphabet's new "very much not linux" https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/

asciilifeform: phf: nothing fundamental or desirable or ever for that matter explicitly proclaimed, about pressing adjacent (sibling) patches that happen to get alphabet-sorted upward of $presshead

mircea_popescu: layer 2, the general point : rss is very visible an irc-driven reaction to web idiocy. it's the web-less-est thing on the web, and for the very plain and evident consideration tha the web is wrong, EXACTLY in the way discussed here re alphabet etc, "do not ye pretend to tell the user how to display data".

mircea_popescu: the "online ads" thing is so fucking dead, alphabet continuing to claim that as income is much more scandalous fraud than anything gaddafi ever did.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771941 << it means the bar for what may be acceptable primitives is slightly lower than before ; this is not necessarily avoidable though, the advantage of having alphabet starts around having twenty or so letters only ; fifty letter "alphabet" is not much better than 5000 hieroglyphery. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: Pichai (CEO of Google), who ultimately reports to Larry Page (CEO of Alphabet).

mircea_popescu: (yes they have a cvasi-alphabet, but a) it has 500 "letters" or some shit and b) it was invented about at the same time as emacs split)

mircea_popescu: but -- let it be said that alphabet mega tool on this road. yes perhaps "end of road" looks unappealing, but it makes hella difference what you travel in.

trinque: ah, my point was that the roman alphabet is sufficient for one of the most expressive languages to exist, so arguments that orcograms are needed would need to explain that.

asciilifeform: i'm almost surprised that mircea_popescu hasn't yet thought of , e.g., anathemizing ascii in favour of own, arbitrary arrangement of alphabet, strictly for incompatibility's sake; or to proclaim the 17-bit byte...

ben_vulpes: not scary yet, can't recognize more than 80% of the alphabet or get safeties off firearms

mircea_popescu: also, my policy re "diacritics" as they're called is that i don't write them, but i don't actually bother to take em out from text i touch. so there's all sorts of ro literature i fixed on my blog, where it's quite evident what the original author contributed and what i put in, because the rotards are very much into this "currently correct romanian notation is alphabet + 5, down from alphabet + 12 a century ago, and THIS MATT

mircea_popescu: nah, his romanian was that of a retard, 5th grade just about. very evidently SIMPLE alphabet.

mircea_popescu: which reduces to "there ARE practical limits to labels for things ; and they are unrelated to the sizes of the things, i expect the WORD for ant, dick, car and aeroplane to all fit the ~5.6 characters rule as universally enforced in alphabet"

mircea_popescu: but the curse of stupid is amply distributed and heavy indeed. consider : for the past THREE YEARS i have been giving ANY WOMAN IN THE WORLD hundreds of dollars. this is more than ANY "organization" ever did for the women in this world, be it something from usg.alphabet, or usg.un bureaucracy or anyone else.

mircea_popescu: and the origins of akamai lie in consistent hashing much like the origins of alphabet lie in the iterated graph thing.

mircea_popescu: apparently stretchtertained is not a word, as far as the alphabet ai knows. but evidently http://trilema.com/2016/welcome-to-baluba-island/

mircea_popescu: people gotta get used to the whole alphabet schtick already, "POSSIBLE LESS, DO MORE!"

a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 11:48 BingoBoingo: In other lulz, Google, after inventing a holding company for itself 'Alphabet' has invented a holding company for that 'XXVI'

BingoBoingo: In other lulz, Google, after inventing a holding company for itself 'Alphabet' has invented a holding company for that 'XXVI' ☟︎

mircea_popescu: "yes, enemy has alphabet of chunks : he knows how to sign ilif every time it comes after asci and is 2nd in ther chain"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697368 << eh they've been trying to come up with something to prop up the "market cap" of alphabet for a decade now, ever since it became completely obvious "advertising" is a lol. ☝︎

asciilifeform: keep in mind that forgetting your 'alphabet' is just as good as forgetting the key

a111: Logged on 2017-08-09 14:24 mircea_popescu: https://www.ti89.com/cryptotut/rsa3.htm << very handy rsa tutorial in that it uses base 10 and alphabet-indexing for letters. so one can actually rsa by hand and get a good model of what's going on.

mircea_popescu: https://www.ti89.com/cryptotut/rsa3.htm << very handy rsa tutorial in that it uses base 10 and alphabet-indexing for letters. so one can actually rsa by hand and get a good model of what's going on. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: vague rumors have alphabet taking over nuke softwarizing through special subsidiary also.

a111: Logged on 2017-08-02 18:22 asciilifeform: elsewhere in heathendom, https://archive.is/CSXhd << 'Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, and YouTube (Google/Alphabet, Inc) have formed the Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism and Amber Rudd is asking them to quietly drop end-to-end encryption from their products.'

asciilifeform: elsewhere in heathendom, https://archive.is/CSXhd << 'Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, and YouTube (Google/Alphabet, Inc) have formed the Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism and Amber Rudd is asking them to quietly drop end-to-end encryption from their products.' ☟︎

phf: come to think of it, for non cyrillic readers, xakep is how you spell "hacker" in ru, written in this case with latin alphabet, because it just happens that the subset of cyrillic required to write the word "hacker" in ru is also latin

a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:17 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: alphabet is only 22-characters, it's doable

asciilifeform: i dun actually hate apl. it ain't chinese liquishit, is actually pretty small and readable alphabet. that probably oughta have occupied the upper half of ansi 8bit coding, instead of the rubbish that's in there nao.

asciilifeform: if you don't have a gutenberg-compatible alphabet for your language, it is defective .

phf: you're either chording or traveling. there's only enough space for alphabet there. naggum's hack is that he puts opening parts of { [ ( pairs on the middle row, but he still has to chord for closing. (he presumably uses electric mode)

phf: last time orlol's sail boat came up i linked some detailed plans by digital nomads for living houseboats. those were decidedly not built on kalash budget (mostly funded by alphabet companies, because choke full of electronics)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but no, greek alphabet and most of greek text extant is understandable. and understood. that dutch can't be arsed is neither here nor there.

a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:18 jurov: heh, nice example how alphabet is inferior to diagrams. if aristotle had drawn a diagrams that would survive to this day, no translation needed

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587264 << so delightfully naive, in retrospect. "oh, the reason alphabet doesn't work is that the meaning of words gets lost through thousands of years, but if only they had slideshare then! the wholly contentless meaningless diagram is eternal -- nothing there to lose!" ☝︎

mircea_popescu: yes, it sounds way the fuck better in the abstract (if you're clueless, entirely devoid of either experience, any faculty for thought and any inclination to resolve either). but it's the same god damned thing -- the desire of "visual thinkers" to introduce new glyphs in the alphabet so they don't get "constrained" in their "creativity" by the present set exactly mirrors the need of the house fly to get some garbage going so i

asciilifeform: ( and if only alphabet. there is a quite serious qualification to meaningfully starting to learn from the l0gz, yes )

a111: 147 results for "alphabet", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=alphabet

mircea_popescu: Framedragger the "originate the idea" hogwash is ridiculouys. next you'\re going to bring defenses in copyright cases based on "grimm brothers didn't invent the alphabet so therefore ineptitude is a ok!!1"

mircea_popescu: pretty obvious alphabet co. maintains a whole department of "usg cover provisioning"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just about. and large in the sense of alcatel not in the sense of alphabet, at that.

mircea_popescu: no "global alphabet" which is why utf may not exist. pretty much everything relates to this refusal of the golden calf.