asciilifeform: mod6: at your earliest convenience plox to comment re the proposed replacement drives.
asciilifeform: i'd like to get'em purchased and sailing to BingoBoingostan asap.
asciilifeform: mod6: plox to credit diana_coman with phree day of rk service, and yerself -- 8d
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo btw is chair nao, so lesse if he agrees.
mircea_popescu: so in the end the idea is, plant ran too hot, ssd contacts lost contact ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these sad stix run hot.
asciilifeform: plant per se imho ok, i've yet to see a thermal sad on a rk cpu
mircea_popescu: the idea being that they're made for consumer market, and no luser complains because no luser seriously uses them or somesuch ?
asciilifeform: precisely so
mircea_popescu: meaning we're, well, you're the first & only to even try this thing ?
asciilifeform: quite likely
asciilifeform: ditto the rk
asciilifeform: i dunno of anybody else using'em in a plant
asciilifeform: hence why 'pilot'
mircea_popescu: the sad of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849428 ever recurring.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-11 05:33 mircea_popescu: let's look at the matter : the actual manuscript has been maintained online by the british museum for half a decade by now. more. out of all these "creative" kanzures, exactly ZERO actually transcribed it and published on their own fucking worthless "online presence".
asciilifeform: exactly this, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: but hey, at least doing things & trying things.
asciilifeform: must.
mircea_popescu: and in other "the web has failed, utterly" lulz : trilema's "Links from an external page (other web sites except search engines)" managed for the first time in history an epic 0.0% this month.
asciilifeform: ha i suppose this means ~nobody's been reading mine either
mircea_popescu: meaning that ~nobody finds trilema via the web, ie, everyone who can read it already knows it.
asciilifeform: not even via log www ?
asciilifeform: or these excluded
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the numbers aren't absolute 0. there's reddit and facebook and the logs and your site and everything in there, the full list is >2k separate domains
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: so swamped by spamolade
mircea_popescu: but they don't figure as even 1:2k in general.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mostly, swamped by direct traffic.
mircea_popescu: spamolade counted separately for my convenience.
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: my conclusion is that ~100.0% of the people who could possibly read trilema discovered it already.
asciilifeform: this fits with the earlier mircea_popescu hypothesis yes
asciilifeform: where 'search engines' are largely spambots talking to selves
mircea_popescu: search enbgines separate heading, 0.5%
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu recently finally gave the control shot into the head of google bot
asciilifeform: so this might account for the dip
mircea_popescu: i did ?!
asciilifeform: iptables nullroute neh
mircea_popescu: but that's on the terminal ; what's it do to with the server ?
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience
asciilifeform: aah this was only on console ?
mircea_popescu: well yes, what's it to do on a server ?
mircea_popescu: not like servers do google searches
asciilifeform: i thought it was for server
mircea_popescu: trilema never had google analytics in the modern period.
mircea_popescu: well no, but i mean... what's the server ever connect to google for ?
asciilifeform: well noshit
asciilifeform: i thought it was to cut down on bw burned on ~incoming~ bots
asciilifeform: sorta like phuctor usedto have
mircea_popescu: nah, it was to cut down on bullshit webpages doing cross-site loads.
asciilifeform: aaaaa
asciilifeform: aitre
asciilifeform: *aite
mircea_popescu: truthfully, it was originally attempt to control firefox hopeless idiocy ; but the research into that yielded more generally useful "how to truly escape panopticon"
asciilifeform: at one time i had a 'nuke anyffing that behaves like bot' on dulap
asciilifeform: ( then finally cured the db headaches, and stopped )
mircea_popescu: which is what the article was about ; "privacy" "online" isn't worth two shits when every single page loads google.ajaxapi googlefonts googleanalytics etc.
asciilifeform: ok this makes sense.
mircea_popescu: it's likle... redundant triangulation, the bs they got.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, usg.cloudflare got apparently mandated to involve usg.alphabet, they now import it
asciilifeform: i've experimented with lan-side rubbish filtration, but found it to be a headache, sumthing always slips through
mircea_popescu: i'm confident article lists all current google ranges, but as it says, they might have secret ones etc. really what it does is shoot in the head the orcish habit of importing pantsuitism.
asciilifeform: they expand erryday
asciilifeform: ( and dun bother to tell where they expanded to, naturally )
mircea_popescu: i get >10k failed attempts to load "fonts.google.com" a day for instance.
asciilifeform: ugh
mircea_popescu: look at eg https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_google_fonts.asp for an idea of how this works.
asciilifeform: btw you prolly know why
mircea_popescu: xmlhttp.open("GET", "https://www.googleapis.com/webfonts/v1/webfonts?key=AIzaSyCz-kpy86ft7U0Dh1LYkhTxrr_QPK27s1I&", true); fine example as any
mircea_popescu: opens it ~through a dom call!!!~ to hide it from the usual filters.
asciilifeform: 'truetype' 0days.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, between the "googleapis", the "google fgonts", "google advertising" and "analytics" and 2-3 other culprits, google gets half dozen+ cookies loaded into your browser PER "3rd party" page.
mircea_popescu: plus js shenanigans, plus dom/html5 shenanigans, plus etcetera.
asciilifeform: is what 50MB www sadpages are made of, yes
mircea_popescu: for all the derpage about "attack sites using your computer to mine shitcoins" in the usg.fakenews media, google's been using well over half of everyone's cpu an' ram for the past i dunno, decade ?
asciilifeform: and for what.
mircea_popescu: "but that's ok". why ? "because it's useless, or in proper terminology, http://trilema.com/2015/the-squares-and-the-holes/#selection-343.264-343.462 "
mircea_popescu: in other words, the alphabet nonsense is certified to never do anything [to break out of the gulag] whereas the shitcoin nonsense just fucking might. unlikely as all hell, nevertheless unlikely's too dangerous a danger!
asciilifeform: the js shitcoin miner thing is lulzy, as we speak it is falling victim to the freshly baked asics for 'asic-resistant' liquishit
mircea_popescu: doh.
asciilifeform: the idjits who bothered, nao get to sit and cry and mebbe learn sumthing
mircea_popescu: the infallible mark of the imbecile, whereby he'll create a "math proof world" wherein the fact he can't lean math won't enslave him to they who can.
asciilifeform: not like shitcoin nets aint expendable, tho
asciilifeform: for all i know, the chinese asic bakers will cry last.
mircea_popescu: ye olde http://trilema.com/2018/le-salaire-de-lidiotie/#selection-165.280-165.733 thing.
asciilifeform: ( why anybody would invest in asic-baking for a shitcoin-of-the-day, i do not know )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure like the shovel merchants of 1848, they sell for cash sufficient.
asciilifeform: spamming js has ~0 nre cost . asic > 0.
asciilifeform: i suppose from that pov asic could +ev
asciilifeform: if can match'em up with suckers fast enuff.
mircea_popescu: possibly.
asciilifeform: problem with asic is that you gotta bake & liquidate 50-100k units, to break even, as i currently understand
asciilifeform: seems like tall order for monerozcashodium-of-the-day
mircea_popescu: i have long suspected your numbers were off ; as recently discussed.
asciilifeform: they could be !!
asciilifeform: my numbers are from almost 10y ago.
BingoBoingo: Ah, 17th anniversary of 9/11 passes and the most interesting news in the world is Samsung quietly removed a defective USB ssd from market without recalling it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ~nobody ~ever recall shit.
asciilifeform: it only happens when usg prods
mircea_popescu: back in the original "asic" days, the first "company" that made it, consisted entirely of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847453 fellows -- not particularly bright, but with chinese presence.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-04 15:36 mircea_popescu: i dunno what the fuck you think juniper is ; but as a factual matter juniper is the result of exactly this conversation among dumber people ~15 years ago.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc 1st 'btc asic' were entirely fraudulent fpga-with-sanded-top
mircea_popescu: i didn't judge it more than "one of the schmucks is fucking some local baillif's daughter" or such ; they never looked like anything more than high six figures were ever available to them.
mircea_popescu: this was many years ago.
asciilifeform: these then financed baking of actual asic
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, the first actually successful thing.
asciilifeform: yes but it was paid for iirc with this.
mircea_popescu: the fpga-sanded-off was usg's own fraud division "butterfly labls", with the mafia dorks.
asciilifeform: oh hm
mircea_popescu: the actuall successful item was asic-something, unrelated entirely.
asciilifeform does not know for certain, was not fully tuned in then
asciilifeform: i also remember a very spotty performance in the orig asics, where ~random selection of subcores actually ran, and no attempt was made to 'package the defective transistors in separate bag for your convenience sir'
asciilifeform: some folx got 200kHash/s chips, others 300, 400...
asciilifeform: the sort of thing you wouldn't tolerate in even tire nipples
mircea_popescu: let me dig through teh archives, might as well.
asciilifeform: btw if mircea_popescu or somebody else here discovers that asic ( ~actual~ asic, not metallization-fpga ) can nao be baked for a coupla coin, asciilifeform will not cry; quite opposite.
asciilifeform: FG for instance is fully asicable as-it-stands
asciilifeform: with 0 changes to the coad
asciilifeform: ( was made this way quite deliberately )
asciilifeform: i would not propose it as the 1st to bake, tho. but there it is.
mod6 reads scrollback
lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 44 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to log into your unit and put it through any necessary tests
mircea_popescu: ok, so the thing that meanwhile "became" bitmain through "incorporating" in the sense of ditching the "forum investors" and any possible claims they may have was, before that move, the first and only ever "investment success" of tardstalk, made the "asicminer". "ceo" was one "freidcat"
asciilifeform: name sounds familiar
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#selection-35.0-41.334 is probably the controlling story, but basically, six or so years ago there was one single "success" in a cloud of utter inept idiots.
mircea_popescu: they fucked up the financial side, after managing to be the 1-in-100 that didn't fuck up the operational side.
mircea_popescu: anyway, whatever that discussion -- the point is that a bunch of tards with some modicum of chinerse connection turned <1mn into actual baked chips cca 2012.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/ << more detail on same topic.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1mn in cash + some unknown amount of promisolade to sumbody, neh
asciilifeform: backed with... idk what ( kneecaps ? )
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone'd have thought their promises solvent.
asciilifeform: is what i'd think
asciilifeform: but i do not know
asciilifeform: in '90s ru derps were able to borrow from newly-baked banks. at 20%. backed with soldering iron and wife.
asciilifeform: maybe cn similar.
asciilifeform: could be, friedcat et al had 4 daughters to put as collateral.
mircea_popescu: seems unlikely.
asciilifeform: can't currently think of how else.
asciilifeform: the asic folx did get a certain amt of lift from self-mining and the rising usd exch figure
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849711 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849730 << Looks good to me, just say when and will get BB the funds for an order.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-11 20:00 asciilifeform: currently i am looking at replacement https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BAR-Plus-128GB-MUF-128BE4/dp/B07BPG9YX9 , which is a good ~4cm iron pig
a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 00:01 asciilifeform: mod6: at your earliest convenience plox to comment re the proposed replacement drives.
asciilifeform: ( baking asics is a pretty straight way to bank on rising btcusd )
mod6 goes off to test the rockchip
mircea_popescu: meanwhile of course, http://asicminer.com/
asciilifeform: lol loox like 2014-style 'mining bond' sad sacks
asciilifeform: mod6: got it
mircea_popescu: incidentally, since we were discussing http://trilema.com/2018/surprised-by-joy-the-shape-of-my-early-life-adnotated/#footnote_163_80959 : ALL of these "early modern financial vehicles" are the same thing -- smoke and mirrors for a "government of England" to pay 30 pennies to the pound and keep the capital.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell BingoBoingo at your earliest convenience, plox to gpggram current postage addr, i can order these with own hands
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: Gigavps launched bonds, paid 3-40 cents to the coin to date (but you can dilute that if you wish to "upgrade", of course); hashking launched "investments", paid 30 cents or less; amazingrando idem, this is the story since day one. << http://trilema.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#selection-131.313-131.544
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will do
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent just now: <asciilifeform> at your earliest convenience, plox to gpggram current postage addr, i can order these with own hands
mod6: Ok logged into rockchip just fine.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm at least a little surprised to hear that any of'em paid anyffing
mod6: nice work guys!
mircea_popescu: of course they did.
asciilifeform: mod6: congrats
mircea_popescu: how did churchill put it, "he wouldn't stoop and didn't conquer"
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Here you go http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NhfhB/?raw=true
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo
mod6: nice, rockchip is rockin' again
asciilifeform: neato
mod6: love this thing
mod6: fg is working great, A+++
asciilifeform: diana_coman also be sure to test yours
asciilifeform: (incl fg)
mod6: who wants to buy some random numbers?
mod6: shit, wrong channel
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: i'd buy a random number four.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: before i buy the pile tomorrow, see if the item can be sourced from the same join where you magicked forth the uart
asciilifeform: could be substantially cheaper (no bakshish)
mircea_popescu: o btw -- if anyone's excited of the prospect of trying to avoid my scraping and messaging bots, fetlife's hiring a senior ruby on rails dev.
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform tries to picture 'senior' ruby dev
mircea_popescu: whole shitpit fire could use some challenge.
asciilifeform: 'доходяга'
asciilifeform: it's like a senior U sifter at butugychag.
asciilifeform: 'hey n00b, i already worked 3mo of the expected 3.5 life'
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu how do i say доходяга in ro ?
asciilifeform: ( orig was pun. lit. 'one reaching the end of the road', but not errybody knows that it was a '30s play on 'доходим до социализма' slogan
asciilifeform: )
mircea_popescu: i can't think of anything, actually.
asciilifeform: i guess not so much gulag in ro
mircea_popescu: there's fine literary reference available, say "batore, sarace", but all this is cult.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will see what I can find
mircea_popescu: (orig story about old mine nag, very touching)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect that you'll find
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fefeleaga ?
asciilifeform: poor bator!
asciilifeform: i think that may have been the 1st full length ro lit asciilifeform was able to eat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is -eaga equiv to the ru equiv. suffix ? ( i.e. '--poorbastard' . e.g. бродяга ~= 'poor wandering bastard' )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/fefeleaga/#selection-127.19-127.34 << orig.
asciilifeform: yea recognized
mircea_popescu: anyway, it preserves the important parts ; little is quite as dreary in human experience as the early modern mine.
asciilifeform: dunno how much moar cheerful is current mine
asciilifeform: but certainly fewer folx know about it.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ro even lacks equiv of en "dead man walking", as such.
mircea_popescu: and no, -eaga is not the sufix there.
asciilifeform: falsecognate eh
mircea_popescu: "fefeleaga" has no obvious ro cognate, looks like a hu retroversion of some kind. but the exact path escapes me.
asciilifeform: ( sometimes seems like odin created ro so as to make a set of falsecognates for ru folx to trip on )
asciilifeform: !#s nauka
a111: 1 result for "nauka", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nauka
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: !#s truda
a111: 1 result for "truda", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=truda
asciilifeform: could've sworn we had this one
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we had a buncha these lol. narod also.
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: i always believed it's deliberate on ro part.
asciilifeform: specif from colonial period ?
asciilifeform can picture it
asciilifeform will bbl: meat.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz, https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.hx_i80dRR7gTN_IgO7Db0AHaEK%26pid%3D15.1&f=1
mircea_popescu: and in "muckracking" (ie, ideologically & politically directed pantsuit libel) : http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/8095/pg8095.html a pile of (eagerly swallowed) 1830s fabrications.
mircea_popescu: that there's little difference, of either form or substance, and massive overlap of drive and interest uniting "the protocols of zion"-like stuff with "der sturmer"-like stuff with upton moore / michael sinclair -like stuff, with the WHOLE rest of protestant literature joint and several is, i suppose, the one thing pantsuit would least hear.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it's very much the case.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo content is confirmed ok, thank you; currently collecting data from fg for tests - this part will take a while
lobbesbot: diana_coman: Sent 10 hours and 5 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to log into your unit and put it through any necessary tests
asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw fg is not affected by resets; but i won't presume ever to tell anybody not to test theirs ( personally i only 'is it still there?' on machine boot, but thats just me )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, well yes, but this was more than a reset at any rate so I'd rather re-test anyway
asciilifeform: diana_coman: test anyffing you can think of.
mircea_popescu: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849789 something like "sudo tcpdump -vv -x -X -s65535 -i eth0 'port 443' > hurr.txt" followed perhaps by a tail -f hurr.txt will prove enlightening enough.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 00:15 mircea_popescu: it's likle... redundant triangulation, the bs they got.
mircea_popescu: among all the (cloudflare), *.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com, *compute-1.amazonaws.com, *bc.googleusercontent.com etc etc, it should be quite evident why usg's been pushing "https everywhere".
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu reminds me , trinque : here's an idea, let's banish the 'root certs' and any systemwide sslism from cuntoo. if user demands it , let him install locally.
mircea_popescu: im for it.
asciilifeform: recently i was going through by hand in list of what's in my rk gentoo, and holyfuq, 'root cert of greek gov' etc. disgraceful.
asciilifeform: a patched curl that satisfies sslistic remote end, by whatever hook and crook, might be useful (for archiving etc) also.
asciilifeform: but let's dispense with the pretense that 'sekoor'
BingoBoingo: I dun see why the republic ought to acknowledge any root certs without registering with deedbot.
asciilifeform: a major function of sslism is to hinder ~user~ from examining ~own~ packets. this must end.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sslism cannot be terraformed and rebuilt for any constructive use, imho. it must die.
asciilifeform: ( the lib itself is a hairball , not unlike winblowz, i pointed this out even before 'heartbleed' etc., in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299 )
asciilifeform: it isn't worth salvage.
asciilifeform: i can see an argument for keeping a cut-down version (perhaps trb's) around on ~some~ boxen , simply for curl-for-fetching-heathen-www, but that's about it.
asciilifeform: ideally such a thing would live on a dedicated box on lan, working as proxy (heathen-facing on the fetching end, plain http on the operator's)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793409 << past thread on subj.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 22:40 asciilifeform: come to think of it, a little proxy box ( make out of ~anything, even pogo ) would handily do the job. think 'chinese firewall https stripper' for home lan.
mircea_popescu: curl can -k just fine. all my curls -k
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rright but the curl bin oughta statically contain whatever's required. nomoar /etc/..../greekgov.cert plox.
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: doesn't it callout to openssl anytway ?
asciilifeform: and i'd prefer that the next heartbleed ends up fetching rubbish from ram of dedicated toilet, rather than errywhere.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it does, and current openssl does the /etc/.../systemwideusg.rubbish thing.
asciilifeform: sorta like glibc does with dns.
mircea_popescu: in other fucking lulz : curl -c will TRUNCATE the cookie file ; curl -b will NOT SAVE NEW COOKIES. as a result of this idiocy, if the server doesn't rebroadcast all cookies, you're fucked. what the fuck jesus, who truncates the cookie jar5
asciilifeform never yet had occasion to curl-with-cookies
mircea_popescu: turns out that what it wants you to do is curl -b file.txt -c file.txt (to read and write to it).
mircea_popescu: seems redundant and counter-intuitive, but mayhaps i don't understand the wisdoms.
mircea_popescu: in other news, smoked trout with blue cheese on homemade bread, best sammich ++ will have again.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849949 << what was the story here ? 'ohnoez, nun rape' item ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 03:57 mircea_popescu: and in "muckracking" (ie, ideologically & politically directed pantsuit libel) : http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/8095/pg8095.html a pile of (eagerly swallowed) 1830s fabrications.
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mod6 : plz say when ok to zero the retired drives ( dun have to be immediate, but it takes a day or so and would like to get'em mailed to my vivisection table )
asciilifeform: i am rather curious where precisely the contacts melted, and so cleanly as to render the thing 100% functioning but usb2-only
asciilifeform: note that 4 of the 6 installed drives were found thusly 'castrated'
asciilifeform: for ref >> https://archive.is/alX6k << usb3 connector anatomy
mircea_popescu: nonprotestants are bad mkay.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: erry schism ever worx ~same, neh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, i'll give you odds the damned things ain't melted.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100% possib, could be firmware 'planned obsolescence' booby.
asciilifeform: hence i'd like to take'em to the saw.
mircea_popescu: what sense does that make, not like rk is high traffic. as compared to say a photocam
asciilifeform: that stick gets pretty warm even on 0 load
asciilifeform: or was speaking of fw boobytrap
mircea_popescu: eg, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1802801 item : i have it set on multishoot, thing dumps 700mb to its disk every time i take it out. fully cycled that card 50+ times by now☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 01:58 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i can't recommend the dsc-rx100 quite warmly enough. it's a splendid sony compact with zeiss lenses that's easily the best camera i ever saw.
asciilifeform: i dunno, what sense does the crapple battery thing make. they rope chumpers into buyin' new ones, one way or other
mircea_popescu: did the ssds even get run through 3x or something ?
asciilifeform: i'd bet that not
asciilifeform: i won't know if they actually used up their sparesectors until i zero'em tho
asciilifeform: ( chances are -- not, as the boxen booted and ran without any eggog when they were emplaced on usb2 )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo cleaned a couple and found what looked like dissolved contact grime. which suggested the hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: me too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where, in the rx100 ?
asciilifeform: ( the grime suggests sad things re the supposed 'gold' plating , incidentally )
asciilifeform: re sd card -- mircea_popescu may find it interesting that asciilifeform's initial (week before flight) rk test bed used a premium 'camera' 128G sd to boot ~and~ run from. but found that it is intolerably slow, the things have pretty sad randomaccess performance
mircea_popescu: ok, but it's basically the same item, just arranged to emulate hdd
asciilifeform: not quite same, some flashes optimized for sequential burst
mircea_popescu: cameras generally write sequentially
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: whereas linux box, not
mircea_popescu: it still seems improbable "fw boobytrap" is set so narrow, you barely get any use of the thing, on the basis of -- consumer market, much more use-y.
asciilifeform: the diff was esp dramatic in classical mech hdd -- where you get 200M/s seq writes but 50-60 random, if yer lucky
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that ssd makers dun particularly want folx using cheap stix in place of golden toilet 'adult' ssd.
asciilifeform: 'market segmentation'
asciilifeform: recall how seagate shipped (mech) hdd that in konsoomer model differed in 0 physical ways from the 'server' one, but 'mysteriously' misbehaved in raid
BingoBoingo: In other local drama: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/la-oposicion-defiende-a-manini-rios-la-sancion-es-un-intento-de-humillacion--2018911125639
asciilifeform: in other idjicies, 'Designed to run on minimal hardware, Elive is very much a passion project of its leader, Samuel F Baggen. Based on Debian, the first version took a bow in 2005. The second stable version made an appearance in 2010 and it has been a long eight years for the third stable version to become available. ... Elive has an impressively low bar to entry, with hardware requirements for the distribution coming in at 256 MB RA
asciilifeform: M and a 500 MHz CPU, meaning that some very elderly silicon is theoretically going to be able to enjoy the highly polished Enlightenment desktop'
BingoBoingo: The ;tldr is the "Poder ejecutivo" decided to throw the "Comandante en Jefe" in jail for 30 days
asciilifeform: who the fuck thinks '256M / 500MHz' is 'minimal hardware'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who the fuck thinks '256M / 500MHz' is 'minimal hardware' << People who never played with total RAM measured in kiblebytes
asciilifeform: fughet even the '80s, i had freebsd 4.7 quite satisfactorily on 'toshiba libretto' with 64M / 166Mhz.
asciilifeform: ( and when tried to re-create this in '14, found that it is impossible, the packages are nowhere, unsurprisingly )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm entertained by the 'steal the having-been-stolen-from' of current 'minimal linux' frauds
asciilifeform: granted 64M won't get you very far if you're eating up http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849805 . but at the very least how about kernel that doesn't eat half of those 64M just for own ??? 'needs'.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 00:21 mircea_popescu: for all the derpage about "attack sites using your computer to mine shitcoins" in the usg.fakenews media, google's been using well over half of everyone's cpu an' ram for the past i dunno, decade ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Such is fraudlyfe
asciilifeform: for instance, i might like to bake a box with ice40 as 'mips cpu' and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702696 for main memory. and then for ~2k usd you can have... 16MB . and what to run on that.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 23:25 asciilifeform: in other non-noose, 10ns ecc sram is ~15 usd / megabit today.
asciilifeform: observe that box with 1990s level of immunity to 'cachebleeds', 'rowhammers', etc. still costs 1990s price...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702698 << lol divide this figure by 8☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-23 23:27 asciilifeform: grr megabyte
asciilifeform: but still pretty penny.
asciilifeform: 250bux / 16MB.
asciilifeform was scratching head, 'this figure aint right, it was about 1/10th when i paid...'
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702815 << old thread re subj )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 14:41 asciilifeform: ( why to do this ? just as in other cases of 'i can't believe it's not X!', dram is not actually random-access -- all currently sold drams only achieve their rated speed in 'burst mode'; and from that it follows that they are only ever read to fill a cache line; and from this, trivial timing leak etc. and the joys of 'rowhammer', bonus. )
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/imf-bullying-marshall-islands-over-exploration-options-for-independence-from-usd/ << Qntra - IMF Bullying Marshall Islands Over Exploration Options For Independence From USD
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ^ unsurprising. per tradition, whoever begins to show symptoms of 'cured of usd' , 'suddenly' ( a la libya etc ) is 'found to have terrorists' and gets 'democratized'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, I'm lolling a lot more at the local Pantsuits digging themselves a hole
BingoBoingo: Imma have to blog it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo uruguay has AN ARMY !?
mircea_popescu: whatever the fuck for.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850021 << now this i do.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 15:54 asciilifeform: recall how seagate shipped (mech) hdd that in konsoomer model differed in 0 physical ways from the 'server' one, but 'mysteriously' misbehaved in raid
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nowadays to get those UN Peacekeeping bucks. Before that to fight commie scum.
mircea_popescu: oh i see. then why the fuck are they poor, i don't fucking get it.
BingoBoingo: Well, the commie scum won.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850026 << rather's the q, who the fuck thinks anyone gives a shit about "highly polished". weren't here for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834802 discussion or something ?☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 16:21 asciilifeform: who the fuck thinks '256M / 500MHz' is 'minimal hardware'
a111: Logged on 2018-07-15 16:26 asciilifeform: i can't picture anybody shedding a tear for gtk/kde/etc
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so a negligible switzerland caught in between brazil and argentina has an army, notwithstanding that in case of war it'd last all of half a week, on the idea that it's an amusement park for the "wanna matter" pantsuitedly retardeed preciouis cuntlets in new york. who, of course, long ago became unsolvent.
mircea_popescu: seems to me the story is all about how http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/#selection-115.156-115.326
mircea_popescu: ie, "new york is bankrupt, find better customers or change the product line"
deedbot: http://bingology.net/2018/09/12/uruguayo-political-snapshot-for-future-reference/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Uruguayo Political Snapshot For Future Reference
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850055 << the orig link derpage mentioned gui, but sadly even without any graphics current-day kernels are sad on small iron.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 19:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850026 << rather's the q, who the fuck thinks anyone gives a shit about "highly polished". weren't here for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834802 discussion or something ?
mircea_popescu: they had no fucking idea about all of that. this niggled made a clock.
mircea_popescu: nigglet*
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didjaknow, they also have a navy. ( consists of, iirc, 3 old tubs )
BingoBoingo: Well, the Navy does Coast Guard work. Boat rescues and such
BingoBoingo: The army's just sort of a vestigal organ
mircea_popescu: now THAT could've been a market, but the argentines have 0 money.
mircea_popescu: otherwise yes, fucktarded monkeys insisting to go at sea, great rescue pickings.
asciilifeform: there was even signs of an 'air force' , but the only plane i saw was a mig8 on blocks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As mentioned in blog post, Air Force is airport security
asciilifeform: aaah yes, the 'these are in padded crate, they must be expensive and taxable' folx
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, those are just line jockeys
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol vivir en mierde (tm)
BingoBoingo: The line jockey's job half hearedly finding things for the desk jockeys to do.
BingoBoingo: Then there's the police who are a sort of security guard that stand with rifles deterring crime or they attend parades dressed in riot gear.
BingoBoingo: The police are not to be confused with the science police who show up to places the police weren't and make a big show of doing something.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, bash implementation of functions excludes prototypes.
mircea_popescu: "In other programming languages it is common to have arguments passed to the function listed inside the brackets (). In Bash they are there only for decoration and you never put anything inside them."
mircea_popescu: i doubt many people fully understand the comedy goldmine that sits and waits in terminal.
BingoBoingo: In the case of casinos and cambios the science police are usually preceeded by the Special Forces Police who show up in the time between the robbers leaving and the science police standing around
mircea_popescu: oh, and of course $1 $2 AND $? are magic words.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure errybody who ever touched it, knows
asciilifeform: hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793267, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-21#1843516 , elsewhere.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 19:11 asciilifeform: imho the long-term answer is '3rd way' , i.e. all the crud i wrote in bash, python, etc over the years really oughta be in the hypothetical little-lisp-in-ada from old thread.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-21 18:28 asciilifeform: all i particularly care for in re scripting is to obtain a replacement for perl/python/bash where the interpreter is simple (i.e. readable, fits-in-head, auditable, correct)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm kinda trying to figure out what exactly i must have / can't stand for the Holy Script of Terminal
asciilifeform: would be great to have a spec
mircea_popescu: seems a ways off yet. but stuff like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848765 is central.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-08 17:43 mircea_popescu: in today's wonderment, why the FUCK is it i can say sed 's%x%y%g' or sed 's^p^q^g' but can NOT say awk '%a%,%b%' ?!
mircea_popescu: i suspect that the federated calling model of the current bash is actually its strength ; and not necessarily competed by lisp-ada.
mircea_popescu: going back to that whole "pipe is all of bash" discussion.
mircea_popescu: but i'm not even sure what the difference is, tbh. "say mp... what's | got over Y?" i can\t answer that. and yet perl sucks and bash doesn't, in SPITE of braindamage like above.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly asciilifeform mod6 : i'm thinking of getting a rockchip to run a coldspare trilema server, ideally some sort of optimistic replication. is this something you'd wanna set up for me ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: definitely, once we have the new disks ( i dun expect you'll want the sad samsung )
mircea_popescu: this isn't a critical application yet. experimenta, meaning -- if you want to use this to test 'em or w/e i don't mind.
asciilifeform: some serious load test would be neat
asciilifeform brb,meat
mircea_popescu: seems like an eminent use for rk plants, make a bunch of blog servlets. considering writes are rare and priviledged, perfect application.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: verily.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850094 << pipe is not going anywhere☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 21:37 mircea_popescu: going back to that whole "pipe is all of bash" discussion.