mircea_popescu: seems if you want 30mb worth of bad homemade porn in dubious antiquated encodings we'll need better infrastructure than is extant.
trinque: ave1: is it your experience that your gcc+gnat builds on musl? builds for musl, yes, but on?
☟︎ trinque: and while I'm flailing and torching afternoons trying to get a vtools sat down on my cuntoo buildbox, if anyone can point me to instructions on getting gprbuild to cough up a static binary, I'd be much obliged
mircea_popescu: whether it actually ~is~ static in any dependable sense across platforms etc, still somewhat of a matter under investigation, fwiu ?\
☟︎ mircea_popescu: quite. if there is any writing that has a shot at that "great american novel title", it'd be l.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did you get as far as where he ~reveals~ the sauce for the "go at it the right way" device ?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still eating it and the glory of the rest of the world catching up to Branch Rickey
BingoBoingo: Amazing how the last names remain revelant with Cobb being the outlier as he always is
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 01:24 mircea_popescu: whether it actually ~is~ static in any dependable sense across platforms etc, still somewhat of a matter under investigation, fwiu ?\
trinque: diana_coman: I've got the diff between my cuntoo genesis.vpatch and yours chewed down to human size (about 900 lines). getting closer
trinque: divergence is entirely within the profile dir, no ebuild differences, so that's a very encouraging result
trinque: the build script produces a genesis.vpatch which encompasses the cuntoo portage tree.
trinque: because we're comparing the output of her and my build machines, the goal being determinism.
trinque: please read the script and ask a specific question
trinque: the goal here is that everyone who runs the script gets exactly the same genesis.vpatch, of course. why folks got slightly different results is exactly the question.
trinque: my release contains my signature of genesis.vpatch, but not the vpatch itself. this way everyone is forced to confirm the bridge out of gentoo and into cuntoo
trinque: asciilifeform: the diff there contains only path weird, and I hazard a guess there's a difference in vdiff behavior. I used a vdiff pressed down to vtools_tempfile_standalone_notmp
trinque: this path took way longer, and I'm glad we got chicken to eat when needed.
trinque: GNU bash, version 4.4.12(1)-release (x86_64-gentoo-linux-musl)
☟︎ trinque: worth underscoring that I built from a cuntoo
mircea_popescu: i got 4.1.16 ; it'd be a wonder if anyone still has a 3 anywhere, or for that matter if there;'s some subtle symlink treatment difference between them, but...
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 00:35 trinque: ave1: is it your experience that your gcc+gnat builds on musl? builds for musl, yes, but on?
trinque: ave1: built with itself, but ever on a system without glibc?
ave1: aha, no I have not in fact
trinque: building it on cuntoo might be a good test of your script's isolation. possible it relies on something from the host.
ave1: the whole thing in the end is static, but yes maybe still relies on a specific gcc lib in there
ave1: do you have an error log?
trinque: headed bedward now, but I'll see what I can dig up tomorrow. appeared the bootstrap compiler refused to run.
trinque: this would be expected if the bootstrap compiler requires a host glibc.
diana_coman: trinque, o hey. Let me know if you need any info from my end.
trinque: diana_coman: the first thing I'm curious about is the press-head which produced your vdiff
trinque: the paths from your genesis don't even look like real paths; they look like two paths mangled together
trinque: it doesn't seem to have happened anywhere else in your genesis either
trinque: sorry, *the profile-related paths which differed from mine
mircea_popescu: he pressed to vtools_tempfile_standalone_notmp ; you pressed to vtools_ksum
mircea_popescu: not saying that necessarily accounts for the difference. but it is a fact.
diana_coman: ah, he pressed to next (aka last) node; possibly that makes a diff, hm
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 04:03 trinque: GNU bash, version 4.4.12(1)-release (x86_64-gentoo-linux-musl)
diana_coman: aha; well, mine is stock gentoo rather than musl so yes
trinque: the code that runs vdiff is pretty simple, lives at line 114 of scripts/make_portage_tree.sh
trinque: diana_coman: might I get a tarball of your cuntoo build directory's present state?
☟︎ trinque: with the build mount unmounted of course.
trinque brb, baking sidequest requires eggs
mircea_popescu: hanbot pick a laptop, bake the man's cuntoo. (principal issue, that gentoo->cuntoo "bridge", see if his sig matches).
☟︎☟︎☟︎ diana_coman: trinque, it's possibly best to run your latest script and then hand over everything you need, fresh and clear? not a big issue otherwise to rummage and pack that dir but I don't even recall if I did not touch it further after that point when I sent the genesis patch so I'd rather not introduce artefacts
☟︎ mircea_popescu: oh incidentally : qntra was FIVE YEARS OLD in october!
diana_coman: oh hey, congrats to BingoBoingo and belated cake for qntra!
mircea_popescu: diff guy did a coupla years first, before being sucked into the evercunt manifold.
diana_coman: yeah, I recall he even came up for some air rumbling at some point
a111: 2018-09-04 <cazalla> not much i can say you haven't experienced or don't already know having done it i guess
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 23:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes would it be at all possible to lift your pastebin limit to say 50mb ?
mircea_popescu: to be fed, of course, the result of split -29950 <filename>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you want topless thai princess enough to go through ^ ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 20:19 diana_coman set up The Incredible Machine dos-version even for said child and he's totally hooked
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the funny thing is that I have trouble remembering any names as such - it's more when I read the names that I go "oh, THAT one"
diana_coman: mind pasting that index or is it accessible somewhere?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-31 01:59 mod6: lol. that girl in the cage was n00d iirc!
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it can wait even longer than that really
mircea_popescu: i mean, not like he has to, wtf, im not gonna tell him his business. but i fucking hate half measures,
mircea_popescu: if you'\re going to "go fix the pipes" do me the fucking courtesy and use the wrench.
mircea_popescu: the space of possibilities is well explored by now, the wrench exists for a fucking reason, it's not some arbitrary thing
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> oh incidentally : qntra was FIVE YEARS OLD in october! << Four, will be five the following october
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo a right6 you are huh! 2019-2014 = 4 unless you're late enough in the year.
mircea_popescu: aaanyways. can reproduce sad dood's bday party by following me around shopping or w/e, girls kneel to present me cake or w/e. #PublicPlay
mircea_popescu: "eastern monarchies" of polyester shirts and bitter sadness.
mircea_popescu: they evidently must, i can conceive of no other explanation.
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's not like i set out to outprince the $eastern-monarch
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 18:08 asciilifeform: and it dun strike me as somehow outlandish that in cn they've played the tape 3-4 times, while in europistan 1-2.
mircea_popescu: that's what's said there, yes ? that a) this thing is b) ad idem continuator of c) thing that explored space of possibilities ALREADY.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on the basis of general experience i expect (the foregoing is no kind of proof) that their "fucking heathens" consists of this derpy dood telling some inept whore in cocal casino that "he didn'rt want to assume".
mircea_popescu: nicole'll tell you all about it, once she digs herself out of punishment hole and is allowed maybe the use of furniture again.
mircea_popescu: o, right, right. the difference between him and 10`000 'ard cunts in the sad isles that night was that he's the one the chick decided to give a run for his money (which he got to keep most of).
mircea_popescu: ordinary working class telegraph boys fall on her every other weekend, with no further effect.
mircea_popescu: as far as i know [and what i don't know in this town ain't worth knowing], the last "thai princes" in existence sported armenian moustaches, went about in confiscated warsaw pact uniforms and had names ending in that ridiculous accented c.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 03:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did you get as far as where he ~reveals~ the sauce for the "go at it the right way" device ?
BingoBoingo: "She says Well if you will go and talk the right way to Comiskey I believe he will give you $3000 but you must be sure you go at it the right way and don't go and ball it all up. Well we argude about it a while because I don't want to hold nobody up Al but finally I says I would. It would not be holding nobody up anyway because I am worth $3000 to the club if I am worth a nichol."
BingoBoingo: Leads to: "Then he says I am not sure you are going to get anything. I says What do you mean? And he says I have gave you a very fare contract and if you don't want to live up to it that is your own business."
mircea_popescu: "I don't think the old man give me no square deal on that lease but if he wants to stick me all right. I am grateful to you Al for trying to fix it up but maybe you could of did better if you had of went at it in a different way. I am not finding no fault with my old pal though. Don't think that. When I have a pal I am the man to stick to him threw thick and thin. If the old man is going to hold me to that lease I guess I wil
mircea_popescu: l have to stand it and I guess I won't starv to death for no $10 a month because I am going to get $2800 next year besides the city serious money and maybe we will get into the World Serious too. I know we will if Callahan will pitch me every 3d day like I wanted him to last season. But if you had of approached the old man in a different way maybe you could of fixed it up. I wish you would try it again Al if it is not no trou
mircea_popescu: you're thinking hm... this is kinda out of character. but you don't realise the fucking paramecium ~simply imported some dna from the woman~.
mircea_popescu: THEN sixty pages later it becomes obvious it's just her , "do it the right way" "which way is the right way ?" "the one that works out to what i want" "but this is after the fact" "i am a christian!!!"
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 19:04 mircea_popescu: if you redefine all words to mean simply "i love you", you will "live" in the most loving world imaginable.
BingoBoingo: Not to mention, whatever the last person he talked to said becomes holy writ until he talks to someone else
mircea_popescu: i will actually say on the record that i currently believe jack keefe to be the representative american, in this exact sense : if all americans were to be defined by delta from a single point, he's the point which, if chosen, affords the smallest total sum of deltas.
mircea_popescu: which yes, on the face makes lardner the most important writer on america.
mircea_popescu: now, the question is -- why did sovok leadership not simply gift the population a buncha copies of this book ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 05:11 mircea_popescu: this paradigm readily explains the soviet state - "rock and roll" relationship, and moreover that historical accident had a lot to do with why alphabet even ~exists~ today. otherwise, on the naked strength of imaginary "advertising revenue" google is worth ~dozen stackexchanges/slashdots/sourceforges. but, generals always fight last year's war, and so here we are, "bayesian lesswisdom".
mircea_popescu: there is a deep an' fundamental reason "the narrative" in that sad shithole consists entirely of and exists entirely as commerciam communication aka advertising copy ; and there is a deep and fundamental reason social relations ~do not exist~ among americans outside of commercial relations.
mircea_popescu: why is it that pretty much the only thing two of them ever have to talk about is the latest ad and the only reason they can possibly meet is to try and sell each other tupperware, or try and sell each other out to whatever ?
BingoBoingo: Then there's the enduring unfairness that Jack Keefe's dollar is as good as Tom Sawyer's and... what happened to the dollar between 1919 and 2019?
BingoBoingo: 40 bucks a month furnished city flat, and the bitch had the audacity to REFURNISH!
mircea_popescu: and of course, all sort of forgotten lulz, like say "I says I feel O.K. and I ain't afraid to pitch against Johnson and I ain't afraid to hit against him neither. Then Weaver says Have you ever saw him work? Yes, I says, I seen him in Chi. Then Weaver says Well if you have saw him work and ain't afraid to hit against him I'll bet you would go down to Wall Street and holler Hurrah for Roosevelt. I says No I wouldn't do that bu
mircea_popescu: t I ain't afraid of no pitcher and what is more if you get me a couple of runs I'll beat him."
mircea_popescu: (Sir Cashion walnut, for the curious, is most likely "circassian" walnut, aka plain and common walnut)
mircea_popescu: anyways. certainly provides well needed perspective for all sorts of local-flavour insanities. "the success and importance" of "social media", aka "for the first time ever the circumstance that we have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to say to each other doesn't seem as much of an impediment anymore!"
BingoBoingo: Then there's the saintly manner Gleason takes Jack and reshapes him into a rounded player without Jack even noticing
mircea_popescu: you know ? and the insanity of it is, my own harem informs me, that is ~exactly~ what gleason ~actually did~.
mircea_popescu: this being, of course, the ~correct~ way to imagine things. jack keefe, for being an imaginary character, is actually super-authentic as well as meta-authentic.
mircea_popescu: and THEN, because no, this doesn't fucking end, does it, THEN you also know the future.
mircea_popescu: because these exact same white socks are gonna sell the world series, aren't they.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, did you also go "hmm... his wife returns, pregnant, after giving him the heave-ho... evidently not his kid"
mircea_popescu: only to discover that a) it's not fucking possible she got pregnant and ready to deliver in a single season and then b) actually count the months and discover a woman he married 2nd day after meeting mid-oct is delivering him allan's baby mid june ?
BingoBoingo: Pretty clear this is the only reason Allan dumped the girl off on him
mircea_popescu: a suspicious nature's no help against lardner. he's two steps ahead of all suspicion in his tower of shenanigan.
BingoBoingo: Not to mention how Gleason suffered the next year for not dumping Keefe in Oklahoma for the offseason himself
a111: Logged on 2019-01-31 00:46 mircea_popescu: Jan 30 18:30:38 <mircea_popescu> and since i mentioned vice-versa again, some #haremleaks : hanbot asked me if i think the only reason anstey made paul a widower was so he didn't have to confront his son fucking his wife during that week.
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : the odds of left handed kid born in a house where live two adult males, the one which isn't you being also left handed, being yours are perhaps under 0.1%)
BingoBoingo: It's all ok though because Mr Dustbowl is going to make some tough talk about fixing the left handedness
mircea_popescu: gotta be possible! cuz when a man sets his mind to it, aint not anything in the world he can't pretty well fix./ or at least not want to fix anymore.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 05:50 BingoBoingo: Fucking hayseed cuck!
mircea_popescu: and besides, I won't sign with Detroit for no less than $5000 at most.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in other side-lulz, alf's gonna come back from tea and suspect the poppies were bad or something. "what the FUCK are they talking about!"
mircea_popescu: #ThatTimeWhenYouStepAwayFromTrilemaForAnHourAndYouComeBackToACompletelyDifferentUniverse
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and besides, I won't sign with Detroit for no less than $5000 at most. << Seriously, several kilograms of silver wasn't good enough for 8.5 months of work
mircea_popescu: it wasn't very much money at the time. at least not looking at it from an anachronistic perspective and from within a society where athleticism is the only nobility left.
BingoBoingo: It is also important to note that "stuff" is an important technical term with respect to the ball's movement in the air
mircea_popescu: anyway. the idea that star athlete would be permitted at the table in society is "obvious" today, but was inconceivable 1919.
BingoBoingo: There wasn't much money or much run scoring. "Deadball era" is the term that was applied after the fact
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Major hold on kids, because low run count games are exciting
mircea_popescu: in fact, period baseball may at least claim the honor of being among the few sports to have lived the sportive ideal, all that jazz about "creating moral imperative in young minds" etc.
BingoBoingo: Home runs didn't much happen until after the world series was sold and derp came in to "fix" the game
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is that retarded brit poem about the oxford oarsmen that then get massacred in egypt, "and england is far" bla bla.
mircea_popescu: eh whatever it was. the idea being that some dude hearing the coxcomb going "play up" and then on the nile the same "play up" and heigh-ho ain't britain great for being dumb. something like that anyway.
mircea_popescu: unlike whatever large-headed thai moron struggling to figure out a pipe, i live in this enchanted world where all i need do is whine -- mp's own this-or-that regiment stands ready at the teat, to stuff it in my mouth.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, if there's anything that merits a mass printing its Al's inbox
BingoBoingo: It also amazes how much healthier the incentive structures are. For filling the stands and winning the City Series (a thing because owning the ballpark was a business) the bonus was a substantial percent of the player's celery. Today some Jewish kid is dicking around trying to get somewhere between 200-500 million USD guaranteed over the next decade.
BingoBoingo: *Apologies for mispelling Serious, the City Serious
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Do the kids want to eat this winter or do they want to spend the winter digging holes back home
BingoBoingo: Naturally the question is moot, because Allan's bitches will blow it all on furniture
BingoBoingo: Anyway, so far all of today's logs go back to Cuntoo
a111: Logged on 2019-01-25 18:29 mircea_popescu: what have you learned in the intervening half decade then ?
mircea_popescu: but i must protest re your blogotron that a) whay do footnote anchors not load the footnote in a hoover overlay! and b) whay does it send no pingbacks ? (or does it, did trilema eat them ?)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: an' also, what writings predating no longer online you mean ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i expect phf at the very least will muchly love a republican drakma.
diana_coman: spyked, fwiw I did not get the pingback from your blog either
☟︎ diana_coman: it would be great to follow up all points/threads started in earlier updates really so they don't get lost
diana_coman: the way it reads now, Jan 14 update has a lot of things starting and then by Feb3rd nothing is heard of them at all
BingoBoingo: The January 14th mega update indeed opened a lot of threads.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When do you anticipate having brain space/time available to revisit the mechanization thread?
☟︎ diana_coman: I suppose being "updates" you focused only on what changed in the week covered but A. it makes it very difficult to follow because there's no help to re-load Pizarro issues (maybe just a list of issues at the end with dates and carried over until issue fully addressed?) and B. if nothing happened on crucial issues, it's best to keep them pinging at least
BingoBoingo: I indeed focused on the changes. Everything about your proposal appears materially better than what I've been doing so far. Thank you for the constructive feedback, I'm going to implement it starting with the statement update.
BingoBoingo: Opening up communication continues to pay dividends.
BingoBoingo working on a "You know me Al!" post for the reason that I still have quite a bit of hayseed stuck in my headcase