trinque: is there some cleaner way of having vdiff produce a genesis than having an empty directory laying around with which to vdiff?
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: In anthro lulz an Elliot who decided to cope by marrying Jesus got killed by natives on an Island nominally part of India and nobody has any idea how to collect the cadaver
trinque: seems kinda screwy that vdiff exits nonzero when the parameters differ. I know this is classical diff behavior, but eh. I'd expect that to mean "wasn't able to perform diff"
trinque: do/don't differ is known by whether there's output
trinque holds his nose and appends a || true
trinque: asciilifeform: cuntoo bootstrapper produces the same genesis.vpatch repeatedly, runs without network (so we can be certain all deps have been captured). Running once more with ^ and that oughta be that. I'll post the poast tomorrow so it doesn't sound like the tired pile of notebook scribblings it currently does.
BingoBoingo: Also, to put on the recruiting calendar... July 2020 Hans Reiser first becomes eligible for parole
BingoBoingo: Eh, all he is alleged to have done is housekeeping
mircea_popescu: i wonder, (sitting all day derping about nonsense) and (begging for a tenner) could possibly be related in any manner ?
spyked back from the bottomless tar pits of meat, preparing status report
a111: Logged on 2018-11-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: heh. hey spyked... what became of ye ?
spyked: anyway, this is no excuse for my long silence, so: I'ma bring rss bot here in the following hour (it's been under heavy testing for the last month, so it should at least be a decent replacement for current deedbot rss functionality) and keccak+manifest ircbot tree should be out by the 1st of december
spyked: and there's a long backlog of lines that I need to answer, will come with schedule for those and other work this week.
spyked: !!rate feedbot 1 rss bot-in-tests, poke spyked for details
spyked: !!v EEB8FD8B72972A7B17ED8540D0F7AB34CE16DA1336EB7E3FC6A49E330EAB6897
deedbot: spyked rated feedbot 1 << rss bot-in-tests, poke spyked for details
feedbot: Usage: !1 {subscribe,unsubscribe} feed_url
spyked: ^ likbez on how to use. to subscribe feeds for pm, pm feedbot, to subscribe for #trilema send command in-channel.
spyked: notification for current republican feeds has already been added for #trilema, so you can disable the rss piece in deedbot, trinque
☟︎ spyked: of course, this will disable notification via pm as well, so if there's any way you want me to handle this (e.g. mass-adding existing pm notifications) lemme know
diana_coman: it apparently took feedbot 2 minutes though to spill a first bunch of the comments after the subscribe, lol
spyked: hey diana_coman, ty for testing! yeah, it's a bit slow because it grabs the feeds serially, I'll have to fix that.
spyked: also nb, drakma has no equivalent for curl's --max-time, so I had to cook something up the first time I noticed this issue. sometimes connections don't fail, but they clog the pipeline by keeping the client waiting.
phf: trinque: that's a valid idea re status code, semantics have changed
phf: unless there are objections from others i'll add it to backlog
☟︎ phf: as far as the other idea re empty dir for genesis, i'll play with it. there are some non-v legacy corner cases right now that i should fix anyway when it comes to different kinds of diffed arguments
phf: vpatch is picky about what it accepts, it's basically only a/foo/* b/foo/*, where's vdiff can accept a totally random stuff like /foo/bar/qux diffed against /dev/null or whatever. right now even diffing two straight files e.g. vdiff x y will produce a non-pressable vpatch. this is all not so much a bug as an unexplored aspect of vdiffing which is also part of the whole rename tracking.
☟︎ phf: but to your point specifically, i was thinking that if you provide only one argument, right now vdiff errors out, so i think it would be better if it produced genesis. e.g. vdiff foo could produce a a/foo/* false b/foo/* 123 vpatch
phf: or perhaps vdiff foo/{bar,buz}/... should be producing /a/foo/bar/... /b/foo/bar/... and /a/foo/buz/... /b/foo/buz/...
phf: err vdiff foo where inside foo you have multiple folders. it's tied to whether or not those parent folders a and b should be implicit, and if vdiff should do the right thing in that case, or keep it all explicit and require the creation of a and b top level folders always.
phf: asciilifeform: right, that's possibly something to make mandatory then, that is a diff of any two directories produces a a/... b/... patch. so that you can have v1/foo v2/foo v3/foo and vdiff v2 v3 produces a/foo b/foo
phf: and then vdiff v1 will give you a/foo b/foo genesis
phf: asciilifeform: i don't think so either, but it's a question of what's the format of vpatch. if the a/foo b/foo is mandatory or if you e.g. can have v2/foo v3/foo. right now the answer is "don't do it that way", which is fine, but it's cheap to talk through that stuff.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874708 << lmao this is a little brusque isn't it. suppose you disable it in this feedbot thing we now see for the first time. let it do pm only, work out a roadmap to switch over with trinque that consists of something else than straight bombardment, and THEN.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 12:28 spyked: notification for current republican feeds has already been added for #trilema, so you can disable the rss piece in deedbot, trinque
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 16:07 asciilifeform: no word so far on what the brits will do when they discover that the 'sticker prices' for the golden toilets are a work of '2 old jews and their painting' fiction , and ~worthless on market
mircea_popescu: essentially driven the "abstraction" cycle of that abomination, resulting in today's situation, where google is practically dead on the black side of the ledger, 0 utility for anyone, and extremely expensive on the red side.
mircea_popescu: cuz how do you "fight terrorists" aka people wielding uncomfortable realities, other than by hiding in ever deeper layers of imaginary nonsense.
mircea_popescu: oh, they certainly will. though looks more like 40 years of milking old people's idiocies, "old man's otherwise dead eyes seem to light up when i mention i'm locked up in google cell block, as opposed to ordinary cell block. nfi why, but in truth i never saw that idiot genuinely happy, so what can you do."
mircea_popescu: as a side point, i wonder how many of these cardboard imbeciles, "i'm not fucking my daughter because there's no space in the kitchen robot atop my shoulders for such out there things, not because i totally could but don't really feel like it" understand they strictly can't be anyone's father, or anything else. just items, like the table, "approving" or "disapproving" of entirely nothing in particular.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, Globalist Pantsuitist Fat Forehead Party
BingoBoingo: Anyways, a lot more military vessels passing by the beach this past week
mircea_popescu: all those people, get off, pay the local whores. 0 clue as to anything.
mircea_popescu: the only time most of the local morons actually see custom is when usg.tards land.
mircea_popescu: hercules tank is like 30k gallons. per plane. if they surcharge a coupla bucks a liter, which they do, uruguay airport made 100k in one day for the first time since it was inaugurated.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hercules tank is like 30k gallons. per plane. if they surcharge a coupla bucks a liter, which they do, uruguay airport made 100k in one day for the first time since it was inaugurated. << The price of aviation fuels went up last week quite a bit as well to the protest of some airlines
mircea_popescu: i bet you they sold machine sandwiches they had sitting around since i was last there.
BingoBoingo: Then there's going to be the hookers getting paid by the chair force folks
BingoBoingo: Locals who don't glaze over at the sight of dollars, because they track dollar prices here like folks back home track gas prices
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the margin it appears they are facing is more than a trickle of rectal blood given the airline shitfit over prices. Will try to dig up that article
BingoBoingo: Anyways, USG is going to likely be buying fuel made with VZLA's oil
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you lack this fundamental experience, of either taking a boat/yacht/whatever, or a private plane, to port. it's this very specific thing, like the post-party restaurant bill or taking a harem grocery shopping.
mircea_popescu: but yes, fuel-bought-at-airport is in same class as sandwich-bought-at-airport. 100% isn't even a bad deal.
mircea_popescu: but i mean, you can reconstruct it mentally in any case, yes ? "there's a fee for the dock spot" "aha" "and would you like your tanks pumped ?" "sure" "this is for fuel this is for black water this is for fresh water do you want air" "go on" "oh there's also mandatory veterinarian inspection" "i got no anima..ugh. i only got bipedal pets on board" "can be waived for fee"
BingoBoingo during the apartment search breifly considered a dock at the Yacht Club's Puertito Buceo. Floating house stray thought did not survive 5 minutes.
mircea_popescu: and i mean, what are you going to do ? not pump the tank ?
mircea_popescu: large portion of ye olde "it's expensive to live in places humans do not naturally live in, be it air water mars w/e"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the way they try to close the circle is by aspirating large chunks later, "sells them military technology".
mircea_popescu: 70-80% of what usg embassy even does, is try to get the dubaloos back in large coups.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 04:41 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz nobody likely gives a shit about : romania apparently has some natgas in its chunk of black sea shelf ; usg wants to steal this ; ro senate wrote a law for them ; ro commons rejected it, because this one guy (liviu dragnea) said so. his majority collapsed because "hungarian" miniparty changed its mind overnight (ie, transparently got bought out) and well... guess who is "accused" of supposedly having FORCED
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-22 00:50 mircea_popescu: but take this forinstance : thorouyghly hated politician active these days MADE his own fucking ARO (70s romanian SUV). OUT OF PARTS. WHICH HE BOUGTH.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i honestly don't even see the problem with this being here. let people learn how to code, what.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: UY doesn't really have natgas or any other hydrocarbons of its own. It has cows. The supermarket turkeys though were US imports though.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda the point of the design/spec yeah. BingoBoingo heh.
pehbot: asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000100
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 8000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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pehbot: asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
pehbot: asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 0: This Operator is not defined yet: H
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 14:07 phf: unless there are objections from others i'll add it to backlog
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can has broken up output tho ? 5s or 4s or w/e you prefer ?
mircea_popescu: <pehbot> asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000001 >> <pehbot> asciilifeform: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001
BingoBoingo: In still other lulz, MS paint map made by alleged local socialist kid of imaginary train system they would like to see in the city, Maybe USG is going to try to get their money back selling one?
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in any case the pumps to keep the sea out right.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's the least of the problems. The imaginary trains appear to just run portions of bus routes with little coverage of interesting city and long runs into the favelas
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 14:19 phf: vpatch is picky about what it accepts, it's basically only a/foo/* b/foo/*, where's vdiff can accept a totally random stuff like /foo/bar/qux diffed against /dev/null or whatever. right now even diffing two straight files e.g. vdiff x y will produce a non-pressable vpatch. this is all not so much a bug as an unexplored aspect of vdiffing which is also part of the whole rename tracking.
mircea_popescu: but then again nothing substantially wrong with "genesis is when you vdiff against /dev/null".
mircea_popescu: the ~only wrong thing is if there ends up added a switch, to turn machinery from "normal" to "genesis mode". that, no.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 14:29 asciilifeform: phf: i like the explicit a/b dirs
BingoBoingo: I guess if a news is going to be double posted it ought to be Merkel's opportunity to go out with a bang
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 16:54 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874708 << lmao this is a little brusque isn't it. suppose you disable it in this feedbot thing we now see for the first time. let it do pm only, work out a roadmap to switch over with trinque that consists of something else than straight bombardment, and THEN.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I only skimmed the last chapter so Peh's output makes at least some sense but I still need to work my way through all the previous chapters; and time is limited as always...
diana_coman: so it ..did not take all that long in fact?
mircea_popescu: i guess i'm just auto-filling "standardizes [away the need to do] unnecessary work"
diana_coman: the selection thing? I have it but on posts, not on main
mircea_popescu: all you have to do is edit the main.php or w/e it;'s called, page template. single posts were single.php etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-25 16:35 mircea_popescu: fucking html, ALWAYS this is my experience with it : sink however long you want into making it do what you want it to, then write off that effort and hand-coerce things instead.
mircea_popescu: we discuss this periodically, and it's always coming out the same way -- i show you you're wrong and you mumble something and ignore it.
mircea_popescu: and there's no requirement to auto-edit htaccess, nfi what that is about.
mircea_popescu: no dude. just put the !-f !-d lines in your htaccess. da fuck does it know or care.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it even gives you the option to upload the item manually.
mircea_popescu: nfi why you think you're running php without disk write access, either.
mircea_popescu: except where nobody could leave you a freaking comment for like a year. wtf is an "irregularity".
mircea_popescu: im sure you have just as much childpornyourhonor as the next citizen over.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure if someone defaces ffa series to talk about what-ustards-understood-of-foucaults-sexnonsense-half-century-later someone'll notify you.
trinque: and then maybe we'll get another flood of tits out of it, even, when the 1337 haxor shows up for a month or two.
trinque: actually dun think douchebag ever defaced anything, just aspired to, and "knew people that"
mircea_popescu: was something like "why does echo.php?contet=fuckyou print a bad word???"
mircea_popescu: "cuz you told it to" "but i mean that's not how the web is supposed to work". was a whole mega-wtf, unfathomable depth of disagrement thing
mircea_popescu: not in usg.web world. there, they only do what inca told them to.
mircea_popescu: the internet-vs-tv battle rages on, 1993 is but a memory.
mircea_popescu: "gotta try things out". there's a lot of this rumspringa behaviour in usg."tech".
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 02:52 asciilifeform: tldr : heathen altcoin hash algo which supposedly 'memory hard', but then you look and it only wants 2MB ( and possibly less, with optimizations) -- evidently so that fluffypony or watshisname could use ~his~ seekrit fpga..
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, /me goes to check the state of the fictions.
mircea_popescu: free bitcoin!!! the final fronteer! every one of an infinity of tards can have as many as it wants of these 21mn total things!!! OBAMACARE!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: wp needs write access to bake the auto-redirect thing. tried. << It needs only a stanza in htaccess, provided human readable urls were used from the start
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it really doesn't matter, start or no start. the fake directory structure is just an indirection layer, internally articles are still referenced by counts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no pill against idiocy ; and yes it's immoral to give idiots things, that's the whole fucking point -- if you give idiots things they fuck them up.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Depending on how far his wordpress is from MP-WP and in which direction is going to determine how much of a pain preserving those counts will be.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why ? i don't follow it, articles go in a table, has an id field, that;s it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Mullenwaggle's wp fork constantly changed the database field structures over the upgrades. How far his version "outran" the fork determines how much massaging the SQL dump is going to need to restore it for sanity
BingoBoingo: Doing the xml dump import into a new mp-wp (or other wp) is going to change the counts
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no pill against idiocy ; and yes it's immoral to give idiots things, that's the whole fucking point -- if you give idiots things they fuck them up.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:05 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: wp needs write access to bake the auto-redirect thing. tried. << It needs only a stanza in htaccess, provided human readable urls were used from the start
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:55 mircea_popescu: douchebag looky, the place's not for you. you're not smart enough to be here. what's so hard to grok about this ? some people are smart, some people aren't smart, you're not smart. what, you have to be dragged out, your legs don't work, what is it ?
mircea_popescu: the previous douchebag was called kakobrekla, took weeks of all hands on deck to resove. in 2016. in 2018, it takes a minute of occasional attention freom whoever happens to be bored.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: what passes for "wise man" in pashtun village is ~anyone, from ben stiller to alan ginsburg.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right, the question is what version of wordpress you are sitting on determines how much massaging you have to do to your database dump. Once MP-WP eats a correctly massaged dump your numbers counts survive and the numbers and human urls both work.
mircea_popescu: so yes, climbs the gradient. the gradient climbs too. the hope, or at least my hope, is that the gradient climbing is self-limiting. in a manner of speaking like cleaning. yes if you neglect doing ANY housework at all, then for an interval the more housework you do, the more housework there is to be done.
mircea_popescu: eventually removing a layer of crusted socks fails to produce an occult layer of crusted underwear.
mircea_popescu: it's true that white man has neglected all things of the mind for a good half century now.
mircea_popescu: but by now we're cringing at idiocy from the 70s, we're evidently running out.
mircea_popescu: not really worth much mention. world productivity in the whole 1700s was a good modern quarter.
mircea_popescu: like it or not, people from long ago ~did very little~. however well, good, interesting, whatever it might've been -- they did LITTLE.
mircea_popescu: no argument, but i really don't need much more time or tools to send off diderot than caleb crain. ~same size object.
mircea_popescu: pantsuit imbecile of 1700 is lightweight indeed, compare the ineptly ineffectual paintsuitry of cardinal newman with the elaborately effectual (comparatively) idiocy of c s lewis or arthur blair.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i will be sure to mark the grave of the king gnat separately. it still dies with one flick.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:57 douchebag: mircea_popescu: What makes someone smart enough to be here exactly then?
mircea_popescu: and the bar to what it takes to ~not~ be directly approximabloe by bag of lettered dice raises over time, too!
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:58 mircea_popescu: the previous douchebag was called kakobrekla, took weeks of all hands on deck to resove. in 2016. in 2018, it takes a minute of occasional attention freom whoever happens to be bored.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 21:10 mircea_popescu: "gotta try things out". there's a lot of this rumspringa behaviour in usg."tech".
mircea_popescu: i've no idea there's that difference. two young males, fractional girlfriend of ~0 value, living with parents, aspiring to business...
mircea_popescu: (i suppose this isn't directly evident, but "equal partnership" bla bla "monogamous" bla bla "traditional" relationships sprung of "dating" etc are these situations where one has a fraction of a girl. maybe 1-epsilon, perhaps, but never 1.
mircea_popescu: and obviously the situation where one's woman can't be freely sold are situations of girlie, ~0 value.
mircea_popescu: liquid in the sense of "to an arbitrary degree" or liquid in the sense of "at all" ?
mircea_popescu: because if it's not liquid AT ALL, in the blender-can't-liquify-cookie, it's necessarily worthless, by the very definition of terms.
mircea_popescu: insanity is worthless other than to owner, a calc over how sin is meaningless except to the sinner.
mircea_popescu: not at all. the issue with "girlfriends" as understood by idiots is that they can ~not~ be sold.
mircea_popescu: to restate in these terms, "two young males, fractional '''girlfriend''' they'd have to pay to get rid of, living with parents, hoping to be one day paid by inca for the useless '''work''' they want to do" etc.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (and yes, eminently "wife" in usg.zone is the above, whether you call it "divorce settlement" or anything else.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you familiar with ballas' point that "independent consultants" getting inca's various programs going are exactly like company men but without dental ?
mircea_popescu: ie, no difference between fat nigglet hired by Dept of Hurr and "independent doctor of liberal profession" writing her reports ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's differences i'm sure, if nothing else the tag strings differ. but i fail to see any comparably important to the similarities, and so it goes.
BingoBoingo: fat nigglet takes more paperwork to get rid of
mircea_popescu: i suppose, upon a coupla minutes' examination, the foremost difference'd be kakobrekla character spoke another language ; dubious whether the other one did. though i guess not possible.
BingoBoingo: Also hard to discern in douchebag a desire to learn or indication he understood having other languages is a good thing