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trinque: is there some cleaner way of having vdiff produce a genesis than having an empty directory laying around with which to vdiff?
asciilifeform: imho the empty dir approach needs no sugar
trinque: fair nuff
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 13: Width-Measure and Quiet Shifts.
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al ^
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 into http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa , ty
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform bbl;meat
BingoBoingo: In anthro lulz an Elliot who decided to cope by marrying Jesus got killed by natives on an Island nominally part of India and nobody has any idea how to collect the cadaver
trinque: seems kinda screwy that vdiff exits nonzero when the parameters differ. I know this is classical diff behavior, but eh. I'd expect that to mean "wasn't able to perform diff"
trinque: do/don't differ is known by whether there's output
trinque holds his nose and appends a || true
trinque: asciilifeform: cuntoo bootstrapper produces the same genesis.vpatch repeatedly, runs without network (so we can be certain all deps have been captured). Running once more with ^ and that oughta be that. I'll post the poast tomorrow so it doesn't sound like the tired pile of notebook scribblings it currently does.
asciilifeform: trinque: sounds delish!
BingoBoingo: Also, to put on the recruiting calendar... July 2020 Hans Reiser first becomes eligible for parole
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: eh i suspect they'll let ~him~ out ~after~ they let asciilifeform ( who aint even in yet ) out.
BingoBoingo: Eh, all he is alleged to have done is housekeeping
asciilifeform reiserfs user 4evah
asciilifeform: cold dead hands, motherfuckers
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=90 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/09/2018
mircea_popescu: wait, i thought the guy died
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not afaik
mircea_popescu: oh, wait, conflating with templeos guy. my bad
asciilifeform: ( not to be confused with debian derp; reiser iirc is doing 20tolife for nailing exwife )
mircea_popescu: yes yes, it's now coming back to me.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in daily keks, http://confessionsofademisexual.tumblr.com/
mircea_popescu: i wonder, (sitting all day derping about nonsense) and (begging for a tenner) could possibly be related in any manner ?
spyked back from the bottomless tar pits of meat, preparing status report
lobbesbot: spyked: Sent 1 week, 5 days, 16 hours, and 20 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> to continue the thing that never ends : http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/#footnote_0_34776 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1802173
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-21#1874133 <-- things were all nice and sweet back when http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/07f-bucharest-ii.html#selection-499.71-499.250 and I got the wheels greased for ircbot regrind and rss bot (got both sitting here, the former's ready to be published), when my old man started getting intermittent fevers coupled with an excruciating pain in the leg muscles. we ended up burning our time in hospitals and still no clue wtf' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: heh. hey spyked... what became of ye ?
spyked: anyway, this is no excuse for my long silence, so: I'ma bring rss bot here in the following hour (it's been under heavy testing for the last month, so it should at least be a decent replacement for current deedbot rss functionality) and keccak+manifest ircbot tree should be out by the 1st of december
spyked: and there's a long backlog of lines that I need to answer, will come with schedule for those and other work this week.
spyked: !!rate feedbot 1 rss bot-in-tests, poke spyked for details
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/z06X5/?raw=true
spyked: !!v EEB8FD8B72972A7B17ED8540D0F7AB34CE16DA1336EB7E3FC6A49E330EAB6897
deedbot: spyked rated feedbot 1 << rss bot-in-tests, poke spyked for details
spyked: !1help
feedbot: Usage: !1 {subscribe,unsubscribe} feed_url
spyked: ^ likbez on how to use. to subscribe feeds for pm, pm feedbot, to subscribe for #trilema send command in-channel.
spyked: notification for current republican feeds has already been added for #trilema, so you can disable the rss piece in deedbot, trinque
spyked: of course, this will disable notification via pm as well, so if there's any way you want me to handle this (e.g. mass-adding existing pm notifications) lemme know
diana_coman: wb spyked ; feedbot looks good - I sent it pm to subscribe to http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/feed/ and it apparently got it (bonus, it correctly said I was already subscribed when I poked it the 2nd time with the same thing)
diana_coman: it apparently took feedbot 2 minutes though to spill a first bunch of the comments after the subscribe, lol
spyked: hey diana_coman, ty for testing! yeah, it's a bit slow because it grabs the feeds serially, I'll have to fix that.
spyked: also nb, drakma has no equivalent for curl's --max-time, so I had to cook something up the first time I noticed this issue. sometimes connections don't fail, but they clog the pipeline by keeping the client waiting.
phf: trinque: that's a valid idea re status code, semantics have changed
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 11 hours and 19 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 into http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa , ty
phf: unless there are objections from others i'll add it to backlog
phf: as far as the other idea re empty dir for genesis, i'll play with it. there are some non-v legacy corner cases right now that i should fix anyway when it comes to different kinds of diffed arguments
phf: vpatch is picky about what it accepts, it's basically only a/foo/* b/foo/*, where's vdiff can accept a totally random stuff like /foo/bar/qux diffed against /dev/null or whatever. right now even diffing two straight files e.g. vdiff x y will produce a non-pressable vpatch. this is all not so much a bug as an unexplored aspect of vdiffing which is also part of the whole rename tracking.
phf: but to your point specifically, i was thinking that if you provide only one argument, right now vdiff errors out, so i think it would be better if it produced genesis. e.g. vdiff foo could produce a a/foo/* false b/foo/* 123 vpatch
phf: or perhaps vdiff foo/{bar,buz}/... should be producing /a/foo/bar/... /b/foo/bar/... and /a/foo/buz/... /b/foo/buz/...
phf: err vdiff foo where inside foo you have multiple folders. it's tied to whether or not those parent folders a and b should be implicit, and if vdiff should do the right thing in that case, or keep it all explicit and require the creation of a and b top level folders always.
asciilifeform: phf: i like the explicit a/b dirs
asciilifeform: helps in keeping the thing straight, if they werent reqd i'd be stuck making'em anyway
phf: asciilifeform: right, that's possibly something to make mandatory then, that is a diff of any two directories produces a a/... b/... patch. so that you can have v1/foo v2/foo v3/foo and vdiff v2 v3 produces a/foo b/foo
phf: and then vdiff v1 will give you a/foo b/foo genesis
asciilifeform: phf: i really dun see what's wrong with the old form
asciilifeform: i always make actual a,b dirs, it dun feel like backbreaking work
asciilifeform: definitely is the absolutely smallest part of a vtronic project
phf: asciilifeform: i don't think so either, but it's a question of what's the format of vpatch. if the a/foo b/foo is mandatory or if you e.g. can have v2/foo v3/foo. right now the answer is "don't do it that way", which is fine, but it's cheap to talk through that stuff.
phf brb
asciilifeform: aaah
asciilifeform: imho a,b oughta be the standard, yes
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in spam lulz, http://www.eghtesadban.com/events/5560171/finite-field-arithmetic-chapter-12b-karatsuba-redux-part-2-of-2
asciilifeform: phf: i fughet, is there a hopper in http://btcbase.org/patches that i can dump patches into, so i dun have to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874673 ? or is that still in the worx ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 02:46 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf plox to snarf http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 into http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa , ty
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/UhPRW << top keks... it even links to the original ? wtf is this.
asciilifeform: i have nfi!
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/fjNn5 << root. i'm guessing 2010s era mfa technologies
mircea_popescu: o hey, wb spyked
asciilifeform: !#s mfa
a111: 28 results for "mfa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mfa
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874708 << lmao this is a little brusque isn't it. suppose you disable it in this feedbot thing we now see for the first time. let it do pm only, work out a roadmap to switch over with trinque that consists of something else than straight bombardment, and THEN. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 12:28 spyked: notification for current republican feeds has already been added for #trilema, so you can disable the rss piece in deedbot, trinque
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's mfa ? i.e. spamola ? or moar specific ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "made for adsense", early republican technology that consisted of force-leaching of turkey dollars from pre-alphabet google's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663222 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 16:07 asciilifeform: no word so far on what the brits will do when they discover that the 'sticker prices' for the golden toilets are a work of '2 old jews and their painting' fiction , and ~worthless on market
asciilifeform: aaaaa clickpump
mircea_popescu: essentially driven the "abstraction" cycle of that abomination, resulting in today's situation, where google is practically dead on the black side of the ledger, 0 utility for anyone, and extremely expensive on the red side.
mircea_popescu: cuz how do you "fight terrorists" aka people wielding uncomfortable realities, other than by hiding in ever deeper layers of imaginary nonsense.
asciilifeform: hey if ibm can live for 40 yrs on milking real estate , wainot also these
mircea_popescu: oh, they certainly will. though looks more like 40 years of milking old people's idiocies, "old man's otherwise dead eyes seem to light up when i mention i'm locked up in google cell block, as opposed to ordinary cell block. nfi why, but in truth i never saw that idiot genuinely happy, so what can you do."
BingoBoingo: Update on the G20 invasion: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/lluvia-de-solicitudes-para-sobrevolar-el-territorio-uruguayo--20181125144049
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol! so they did kowtow.
mircea_popescu: as a side point, i wonder how many of these cardboard imbeciles, "i'm not fucking my daughter because there's no space in the kitchen robot atop my shoulders for such out there things, not because i totally could but don't really feel like it" understand they strictly can't be anyone's father, or anything else. just items, like the table, "approving" or "disapproving" of entirely nothing in particular.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why wouldn't they, lol.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i naively thought there was a chance that they'd protest
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, Globalist Pantsuitist Fat Forehead Party
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The Blanco Party protested
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno, i dun have a good model of the miami-seekers, apparently
BingoBoingo: Anyways, a lot more military vessels passing by the beach this past week
mircea_popescu: but i mean, you realise this is ~free money, yes ?
asciilifeform: they get paid?!
mircea_popescu: you ever flew an airplane ?
asciilifeform: see, i had picture that it's like potus visit to flyover states -- massive ding for local coffer (they offload as much of the cost as they can on podunk)
mircea_popescu: not at all, lol.
asciilifeform: then makes sense
mircea_popescu: c-17 refuels, for instance.
mircea_popescu: all those people, get off, pay the local whores. 0 clue as to anything.
mircea_popescu: the only time most of the local morons actually see custom is when usg.tards land.
mircea_popescu: hercules tank is like 30k gallons. per plane. if they surcharge a coupla bucks a liter, which they do, uruguay airport made 100k in one day for the first time since it was inaugurated.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hercules tank is like 30k gallons. per plane. if they surcharge a coupla bucks a liter, which they do, uruguay airport made 100k in one day for the first time since it was inaugurated. << The price of aviation fuels went up last week quite a bit as well to the protest of some airlines
mircea_popescu: i bet you they sold machine sandwiches they had sitting around since i was last there.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hurr.
BingoBoingo: But yes, Uruguay seems to be taking money
BingoBoingo: Then there's going to be the hookers getting paid by the chair force folks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the margin on the fuel ?
BingoBoingo: Locals who don't glaze over at the sight of dollars, because they track dollar prices here like folks back home track gas prices
asciilifeform has nfi
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if it were 'coupla bux / litre' tho
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the margin it appears they are facing is more than a trickle of rectal blood given the airline shitfit over prices. Will try to dig up that article
asciilifeform: ( 'coupla bux' would be a ~100% margin, neh )
BingoBoingo: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/aerolineas-se-reunieron-con-ancap-preocupadas-por-costo-del-combustible--2018112018470 Maybe I misremembered the recency
BingoBoingo: Anyways, USG is going to likely be buying fuel made with VZLA's oil
BingoBoingo: Mind this is a country where https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/para-de-fleteros-dejo-sin-combustible-al-aeropuerto-de-carrasco-20181016204544 happens
asciilifeform: in other lulz, - - [26/Nov/2018:12:42:53 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1542 "http://trilema.com/2017/fuckgoats-unboxing-of/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/61.0.3163.79 Safari/537.36 Maxthon/" "-" << argentina
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you lack this fundamental experience, of either taking a boat/yacht/whatever, or a private plane, to port. it's this very specific thing, like the post-party restaurant bill or taking a harem grocery shopping.
mircea_popescu: suddenly there's this mile-and-a-half ticker tape.
mircea_popescu: but yes, fuel-bought-at-airport is in same class as sandwich-bought-at-airport. 100% isn't even a bad deal.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: guilty. i haven't flown space station, either.
asciilifeform: not even submarine.
asciilifeform believes mircea_popescu's summary.
mircea_popescu: but i mean, you can reconstruct it mentally in any case, yes ? "there's a fee for the dock spot" "aha" "and would you like your tanks pumped ?" "sure" "this is for fuel this is for black water this is for fresh water do you want air" "go on" "oh there's also mandatory veterinarian inspection" "i got no anima..ugh. i only got bipedal pets on board" "can be waived for fee"
BingoBoingo during the apartment search breifly considered a dock at the Yacht Club's Puertito Buceo. Floating house stray thought did not survive 5 minutes.
asciilifeform: yea makes sense.
mircea_popescu: and i mean, what are you going to do ? not pump the tank ?
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's notion was that usg, unlike yachtsman, somehow mooches the cost from the orcs )
mircea_popescu: large portion of ye olde "it's expensive to live in places humans do not naturally live in, be it air water mars w/e"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the way they try to close the circle is by aspirating large chunks later, "sells them military technology".
mircea_popescu: 70-80% of what usg embassy even does, is try to get the dubaloos back in large coups.
BingoBoingo: UY.MIl kit distinctly lacks USG tech
mircea_popescu: in those cases there's also "joint-ventures", http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861717 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 04:41 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz nobody likely gives a shit about : romania apparently has some natgas in its chunk of black sea shelf ; usg wants to steal this ; ro senate wrote a law for them ; ro commons rejected it, because this one guy (liviu dragnea) said so. his majority collapsed because "hungarian" miniparty changed its mind overnight (ie, transparently got bought out) and well... guess who is "accused" of supposedly having FORCED
asciilifeform: !!up pehbot
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !A help
pehbot: asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.
asciilifeform: ^ updated.
mircea_popescu: wb peh kek
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al ^
asciilifeform: ( i'ma move it to #asciilifeform later today, to cut down on rubbish in log )
mircea_popescu: ftr, that dragnea fellow being http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1741883 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-22 00:50 mircea_popescu: but take this forinstance : thorouyghly hated politician active these days MADE his own fucking ARO (70s romanian SUV). OUT OF PARTS. WHICH HE BOUGTH.
asciilifeform: !A .1.FFLS#
pehbot: asciilifeform: 8000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
asciilifeform: !A .1.FFLS.FFRS#
pehbot: asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
asciilifeform: !A .1.FFW#
pehbot: asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000008
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i honestly don't even see the problem with this being here. let people learn how to code, what.
asciilifeform: aite
mircea_popescu: if and when it ~actually~ becomes annoying, then.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: UY doesn't really have natgas or any other hydrocarbons of its own. It has cows. The supermarket turkeys though were US imports though.
asciilifeform: it's quiet by default, so sure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda the point of the design/spec yeah. BingoBoingo heh.
asciilifeform: !A .1.FFLSW#
pehbot: asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000100
asciilifeform: ^ sums up ch13.
mircea_popescu: !A .117.FFLS#
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 8000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
mircea_popescu: !A .1.FFLS.FFW.FFRS#
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
mircea_popescu: leet.
asciilifeform: !A .7.D.5M*#
pehbot: asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
asciilifeform: btw:
asciilifeform: !A H
pehbot: asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 0: This Operator is not defined yet: H
asciilifeform: ^ also a ch13ism.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874716 << no i think he has a point, shouldn't have to keep adding or-true to code. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 14:07 phf: unless there are objections from others i'll add it to backlog
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can has broken up output tho ? 5s or 4s or w/e you prefer ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to elaborate ? broken up where
mircea_popescu: <pehbot> asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000001 >> <pehbot> asciilifeform: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001
asciilifeform: could, in principle ( could even discard leading 0s ) but i wrote the orig logic mircea_popescu-style, 'do not want spurious whitespaces'
asciilifeform: ( observe that input mechanism dun require the leading 0s )
asciilifeform: in cmdline work , the leading 0s actually make life easier ( can see if leading bit is in the expected place , etc )
asciilifeform: pehbot is simply a wrapper around compiled ffa_calc , currently it gives closest possible picture to what you get if you ran the proggy itself locally.
asciilifeform: ( bonus is that the ~output printing~ itself is constant-time, ha )
asciilifeform: i perma-welded it to 256bit cuz irc lines are short .
BingoBoingo: In still other lulz, MS paint map made by alleged local socialist kid of imaginary train system they would like to see in the city, Maybe USG is going to try to get their money back selling one? https://i.redd.it/f7xva1zoqd021.png
asciilifeform: !A .~.80LS.80RS#
pehbot: asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
asciilifeform: aanyways who wants, can switch it on whenever.
asciilifeform: there's still iirc a bug in auto-reconnector, but is upstream in the http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-multiple-channels-corrected , i'ma attend to it laters ( unless trinque & ben_vulpes know a ready pill )
asciilifeform: !A .~.~.80LS.80RS-#
pehbot: asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF00000000000000000000000000000000
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874601 it occurs to me i should probably also share the echo "FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42Fv9985AFAB953C4/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7/gns" | sed 's%.\{1\}%&<wbr />%g' that produced it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-25 17:38 mircea_popescu: br />5<wbr />0<wbr />7<wbr />F<wbr />A<wbr />F<wbr />E<wbr />D<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />B<wbr />9<wbr />8<wbr />2<wbr />2<wbr />8<wbr />A<wbr />0<wbr />0<wbr />1<wbr />A<wbr />B<wbr />F<wbr />F<wbr />C<wbr />7<wbr />/<wbr />g<wbr />n<wbr />s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fair enuff.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in any case the pumps to keep the sea out right.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's the least of the problems. The imaginary trains appear to just run portions of bus routes with little coverage of interesting city and long runs into the favelas
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874718 << philosophically i don't see the problem with having an empty dir around in project trees, as a permanent reminder of what perfect code looks like. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 14:19 phf: vpatch is picky about what it accepts, it's basically only a/foo/* b/foo/*, where's vdiff can accept a totally random stuff like /foo/bar/qux diffed against /dev/null or whatever. right now even diffing two straight files e.g. vdiff x y will produce a non-pressable vpatch. this is all not so much a bug as an unexplored aspect of vdiffing which is also part of the whole rename tracking.
mircea_popescu: but then again nothing substantially wrong with "genesis is when you vdiff against /dev/null".
mircea_popescu: the ~only wrong thing is if there ends up added a switch, to turn machinery from "normal" to "genesis mode". that, no.
asciilifeform: lol, re 'perfect code', oughta mention the philosophical complement to genesis : eschaton ( diff proj against null ...! )
asciilifeform: i aint had occasion to do ~this~ yet, but whoknows.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874722 << yeah. wrong place to have implicits./ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 14:29 asciilifeform: phf: i like the explicit a/b dirs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a strong bias against proggies which try to be 'smart'
asciilifeform: good % of the daily sisyphean boulder work of programmer, is to tear up these past attempts at 'smart' so that work can happen
mircea_popescu: you should see ~people~ being "smart".
mircea_popescu: daily work of man...
asciilifeform: cleaning up ~those~ is much higher grade of exterminator work than asciilifeform's..
asciilifeform: costs correspondingly moar.
asciilifeform: ( archaetypical ill-conceived 'smart' -- koch's 'keychain' nonsense )
asciilifeform: incidentally, is microshit still paying that derp megabux to 'maintain' his turd, i wonder
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/s8cIZ << as of '15 apparently was
asciilifeform: 'Feb. 5, 2015, 8:10 p.m.: After this article appeared, Werner Koch informed us that last week he was awarded a one-time grant of $60,000 from Linux Foundation's Core Infrastructure Initiative. Werner told us he only received permission to disclose it after our article published. Meanwhile, since our story was posted, donations flooded Werner's website donation page and he reached his funding goal of $137,000. In addition, Facebook an
asciilifeform: d the online payment processor Stripe each pledged to donate $50,000 a year to Koch’s project.' etc
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/11/tensions-heat-up-in-europe-after-ukranian-ships-seized-while-aggressing-on-kerch-strait-bridge/ << Qntra - Tensions Heat Up In Europe After Ukranian Ships Seized While Aggressing On Kerch Strait Bridge
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/11/tensions-heat-up-in-europe-after-ukranian-ships-seized-while-aggressing-on-kerch-strait-bridge/ << Qntra -- Tensions Heat Up In Europe After Ukranian Ships Seized While Aggressing On Kerch Strait Bridge
BingoBoingo: I guess if a news is going to be double posted it ought to be Merkel's opportunity to go out with a bang
mircea_popescu: there's no other way here, is there.
mircea_popescu: spyked plox to see http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874742 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 16:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874708 << lmao this is a little brusque isn't it. suppose you disable it in this feedbot thing we now see for the first time. let it do pm only, work out a roadmap to switch over with trinque that consists of something else than straight bombardment, and THEN.
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=91 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/10/2018
asciilifeform: lol whatever happened to testing gadgets before firing in battlefield
asciilifeform: 'Mp-wp standardizes unnecessary work' << bahahaha
mircea_popescu: i guess he just got eager to contribute.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and what's the objection ?
asciilifeform: nuffin, mircea_popescu was awake to pull the breaker
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I only skimmed the last chapter so Peh's output makes at least some sense but I still need to work my way through all the previous chapters; and time is limited as always...
asciilifeform: btw diana_coman et al : comments on asciilifeform's www fixed
diana_coman: ooo, yay!
diana_coman: so it ..did not take all that long in fact?
asciilifeform: ( replaced the google liquishit with a simple and humane kindergarden arithmetic thing )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you could say that i cheated tho, lessee if actually worx
asciilifeform: comments will still go to mod queue, but asciilifeform gets pinged and will review in sumthing close to realtime.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there is no reason to rush through the material, eat it at own pace
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i meant, re the mp-wp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phrase 'standardizes unnecessary work' is lulzy imho
mircea_popescu: i guess i'm just auto-filling "standardizes [away the need to do] unnecessary work"
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: in other noose, e.g. : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822#selection-457.1-533.1
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu for the gadget.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: dun seem like you have it on your www ? it's pretty simple to weld on
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ?
asciilifeform: the selector thingie
diana_coman: the selection thing? I have it but on posts, not on main
asciilifeform: aah
asciilifeform: same, nm
asciilifeform: worx
asciilifeform: ( it might be possible to make it work correctly from main pg, but the stock one doesn't , aha )
mircea_popescu: all you have to do is edit the main.php or w/e it;'s called, page template. single posts were single.php etc.
asciilifeform: ugh loox like i found bug ( only with my url scheme, loox like )
asciilifeform: if selection is cancelled, url turns into bare domain
asciilifeform: and all subsequent sels are invalid
asciilifeform tries to puzzle out wtf, so far stumped
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 vs http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/ ; the thing assumes proper dir-like structure rather than simple GET-overloaded url.
asciilifeform: i guessed as much
mircea_popescu: you can try and hack it so it mixes ?& and # correctly ; but iirc this was a major pile of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874550 unpleasant decade or so ago ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-25 16:35 mircea_popescu: fucking html, ALWAYS this is my experience with it : sink however long you want into making it do what you want it to, then write off that effort and hand-coerce things instead.
asciilifeform: gnarly
asciilifeform: 1 of the reasons i haven't taken up mircea_popescu's wp wholesale is 1) i dun wanna break ~any~ urls 2) at same time, i refuse to give wp write access to disk. so that means hand-genning .htaccess, ugh
asciilifeform: ( would like to get eventually mp's wp, and human-readable urls, but promises to be painful )
mircea_popescu: we discuss this periodically, and it's always coming out the same way -- i show you you're wrong and you mumble something and ignore it.
asciilifeform: where wrong here ?
asciilifeform: 'give it write access, damn it' ? i dunwanna.
mircea_popescu: see how http://trilema.com/?p=1338 resolves ? there's no url broken with sane scheme. because mp-wp is written for me not for "the web".
asciilifeform: phplade dun belong being able to change files on my disk.
mircea_popescu: and there's no requirement to auto-edit htaccess, nfi what that is about.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wp needs write access to bake the auto-redirect thing. tried.
asciilifeform: ( possibly this is only the case if there's a set of ~existing~ posts that have old sad scheme, i'ma have to dig )
mircea_popescu: no dude. just put the !-f !-d lines in your htaccess. da fuck does it know or care.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it even gives you the option to upload the item manually.
asciilifeform goes to rtfm.
mircea_popescu: nfi why you think you're running php without disk write access, either.
mircea_popescu: auto-has it via apache anyway.
asciilifeform: cuz i chmodded the contents, lol, to not be writable.
mircea_popescu: so then what diff does it make lmao.
mircea_popescu: let it write its htaccess and chmod it back, o noes.
mircea_popescu: the problems you construct for yourself, i swear.
asciilifeform: 11 yrs with 0 breakage is not my picture of 'problem'
asciilifeform: ( and 0 spam, and 0 irregularities of any kind )
mircea_popescu: except where nobody could leave you a freaking comment for like a year. wtf is an "irregularity".
asciilifeform: third parties flipping bits on the disk when they oughtn't, for starters
mircea_popescu: im sure you have just as much childpornyourhonor as the next citizen over.
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking web box, who even cares at that level.
asciilifeform: i care in that i gotta maintain the thing with own hands, i dun have meat bots.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure if someone defaces ffa series to talk about what-ustards-understood-of-foucaults-sexnonsense-half-century-later someone'll notify you.
asciilifeform: lol why ty.
trinque: and then maybe we'll get another flood of tits out of it, even, when the 1337 haxor shows up for a month or two.
mircea_popescu: oh was that what that was ?
trinque: actually dun think douchebag ever defaced anything, just aspired to, and "knew people that"
asciilifeform: yea iirc start of douchebag's short 'career' was that sumbody ( lobbes ? ) turned out to have world-writable thing
trinque: ah that was it
mircea_popescu: wasn't it my php hacked together something-or-other ?
mircea_popescu: maybe the algo-hash thing
asciilifeform: i dun recall him touching that one
mircea_popescu: was something like "why does echo.php?contet=fuckyou print a bad word???"
asciilifeform: nah iirc was honest 'run arbitrary bin'
mircea_popescu: "cuz you told it to" "but i mean that's not how the web is supposed to work". was a whole mega-wtf, unfathomable depth of disagrement thing
asciilifeform: in point of fact ~all~ proggies 'are because told to'
asciilifeform: whether trivial lul where door left open or '0day'
mircea_popescu: not in usg.web world. there, they only do what inca told them to.
mircea_popescu: come to think, banks, also. and cars. and so on.
mircea_popescu: the internet-vs-tv battle rages on, 1993 is but a memory.
asciilifeform: is there even 1 usg www that doesn't have a shitcoin miner js in it yet ?
mircea_popescu: nfi
asciilifeform has a box here with stale thermal grease that reliably died when these are loaded
mircea_popescu: lol detector
asciilifeform: of sorts..
asciilifeform finds it vaguely interesting that js mining is still worth the candles somewhere -- suggests that the shitcoins in question are uninteresting even to fpgaize
asciilifeform: considering that even coupla watt worth of fpga outweighs coupla thou. js-eaters, in general
asciilifeform: entirely possible that whole affair is entirely like other spamola, i.e. not actually +ev for anybody
mircea_popescu: i'd expect.
mircea_popescu: "gotta try things out". there's a lot of this rumspringa behaviour in usg."tech".
asciilifeform: as i see it, it's damn near proof that the shitcoin 'exchange rates' are works of fiction -- 'if this is actually sellable for bitcent/ea., where is fpga ? '
asciilifeform: ( in some particular cases, not hard to guess where, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872722 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 02:52 asciilifeform: tldr : heathen altcoin hash algo which supposedly 'memory hard', but then you look and it only wants 2MB ( and possibly less, with optimizations) -- evidently so that fluffypony or watshisname could use ~his~ seekrit fpga..
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, /me goes to check the state of the fictions.
mircea_popescu: o look, 3k btc!
asciilifeform: 3 $ when.
mircea_popescu: free bitcoin!!! the final fronteer! every one of an infinity of tards can have as many as it wants of these 21mn total things!!! OBAMACARE!
asciilifeform: for some values of phree
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you recall your 'gold asteroid' essay ?
asciilifeform: can't seem to unearth it in O(1)
asciilifeform: the one where 'metallists are dumb if they think 'fixed supply', gold asteroid 20 metres diameter could hit any day of the week'
asciilifeform: i am wondering where exactly is the practical diff, b/w that, and '21mn fixed supply' where unknown % is in hands of idjits who can mass dump any day of week
asciilifeform brb,teatime
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: wp needs write access to bake the auto-redirect thing. tried. << It needs only a stanza in htaccess, provided human readable urls were used from the start
mircea_popescu: it really doesn't matter, start or no start. the fake directory structure is just an indirection layer, internally articles are still referenced by counts.
mircea_popescu: just, no particular need to expose that to the web.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no pill against idiocy ; and yes it's immoral to give idiots things, that's the whole fucking point -- if you give idiots things they fuck them up.
BingoBoingo: Depending on how far his wordpress is from MP-WP and in which direction is going to determine how much of a pain preserving those counts will be.
mircea_popescu: but in digging for the item you want, ran into http://trilema.com/2013/the-bitcoiners-press-manual/ and http://trilema.com/2015/naivity-in-finance/ and http://trilema.com/2015/oil-theory/ and holy shit trilema's a great read.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the item you want is prolly http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-175.0-175.758 ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why ? i don't follow it, articles go in a table, has an id field, that;s it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Mullenwaggle's wp fork constantly changed the database field structures over the upgrades. How far his version "outran" the fork determines how much massaging the SQL dump is going to need to restore it for sanity
mircea_popescu: ah
BingoBoingo: Doing the xml dump import into a new mp-wp (or other wp) is going to change the counts
mircea_popescu: it is ?
mircea_popescu: then it's fucking broken lol
mircea_popescu: anyqway, why not just a mysql dump like sane ppl.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874999 << yes ! ty mircea_popescu ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:23 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the item you want is prolly http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-175.0-175.758 ?
asciilifeform: it's exactly it
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874996 << 1 of the apparent interesting things re btc was, that it seemed to climb the gradient and ~not~ concentrate in hands of idjit ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no pill against idiocy ; and yes it's immoral to give idiots things, that's the whole fucking point -- if you give idiots things they fuck them up.
asciilifeform: but possibly this only worx on a ~very~ long timescale
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874993 << BingoBoingo my case was ~specifically~ the one where ~not~ were used from start ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:05 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: wp needs write access to bake the auto-redirect thing. tried. << It needs only a stanza in htaccess, provided human readable urls were used from the start
mircea_popescu: there's a contradictory force. consider what counted as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826859 just a few brief short years ago. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:55 mircea_popescu: douchebag looky, the place's not for you. you're not smart enough to be here. what's so hard to grok about this ? some people are smart, some people aren't smart, you're not smart. what, you have to be dragged out, your legs don't work, what is it ?
asciilifeform: s/years/months lol
mircea_popescu: the previous douchebag was called kakobrekla, took weeks of all hands on deck to resove. in 2016. in 2018, it takes a minute of occasional attention freom whoever happens to be bored.
mircea_popescu: what passes for "wise man" in pashtun village is ~anyone, from ben stiller to alan ginsburg.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right, the question is what version of wordpress you are sitting on determines how much massaging you have to do to your database dump. Once MP-WP eats a correctly massaged dump your numbers counts survive and the numbers and human urls both work.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma actually try this on a scratch box. ( but, prolly not today )
mircea_popescu: so yes, climbs the gradient. the gradient climbs too. the hope, or at least my hope, is that the gradient climbing is self-limiting. in a manner of speaking like cleaning. yes if you neglect doing ANY housework at all, then for an interval the more housework you do, the more housework there is to be done.
mircea_popescu: for a BRIEF interval.
mircea_popescu: eventually removing a layer of crusted socks fails to produce an occult layer of crusted underwear.
asciilifeform: ugh,this picture
mircea_popescu: it's true that white man has neglected all things of the mind for a good half century now.
mircea_popescu: but by now we're cringing at idiocy from the 70s, we're evidently running out.
asciilifeform: dunno, there's still the geologic strata of idjicy from ~18~70s, demoocracies, and 1770s liberte egalite, etc
asciilifeform: and i recall mircea_popescu's drills excavating a 1370s concordate, etc
mircea_popescu: not really worth much mention. world productivity in the whole 1700s was a good modern quarter.
mircea_popescu: like it or not, people from long ago ~did very little~. however well, good, interesting, whatever it might've been -- they did LITTLE.
asciilifeform: the little was moar % faberge and less ipnoje tho
mircea_popescu: no argument, but i really don't need much more time or tools to send off diderot than caleb crain. ~same size object.
asciilifeform: right, but there's 3e9 crains and 1 diderot
mircea_popescu: pantsuit imbecile of 1700 is lightweight indeed, compare the ineptly ineffectual paintsuitry of cardinal newman with the elaborately effectual (comparatively) idiocy of c s lewis or arthur blair.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i will be sure to mark the grave of the king gnat separately. it still dies with one flick.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826872 << lulzy thread btw ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:57 douchebag: mircea_popescu: What makes someone smart enough to be here exactly then?
mircea_popescu thinks of naggum, and how sad he was for missing
mircea_popescu: the exact item im here discussing.
mircea_popescu: rip.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the lulziest part is that Mocky asked "the same question", got much better answer quicklier. http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/#selection-145.313-145.392 prevails ; and good fucking luck to the "bayesian" hopeful aspies.
asciilifeform: possibly cuz Mocky was actually asking a q. as opposed to douchebag's... well, that thing where people shout incoherently on the stake
mircea_popescu: ain't it always that.
asciilifeform: it's exactly as in mircea_popescu's linked piece -- bag of lettered dice can't 'ask questions'
mircea_popescu: and the bar to what it takes to ~not~ be directly approximabloe by bag of lettered dice raises over time, too!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1875018 << i dun see that they're instances of same item tho -- 1 was dumb http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874979 kid, other was a - quite clever enuff - bought an' paid-for pantsuit mole ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 22:58 mircea_popescu: the previous douchebag was called kakobrekla, took weeks of all hands on deck to resove. in 2016. in 2018, it takes a minute of occasional attention freom whoever happens to be bored.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 21:10 mircea_popescu: "gotta try things out". there's a lot of this rumspringa behaviour in usg."tech".
mircea_popescu: i've no idea there's that difference. two young males, fractional girlfriend of ~0 value, living with parents, aspiring to business...
asciilifeform: in usa they have a local historic character, gen. benedict arnold, roughly same household word for 'betrayal' as e.g. vidkun quisling in old world ( and for same reason, was a reasonably passing hero before flipped sign bit )
asciilifeform: ok nao i cannot resist to ask -- what is a 'fractional girlfriend'
mircea_popescu: (i suppose this isn't directly evident, but "equal partnership" bla bla "monogamous" bla bla "traditional" relationships sprung of "dating" etc are these situations where one has a fraction of a girl. maybe 1-epsilon, perhaps, but never 1.
asciilifeform: hm is that what he had
mircea_popescu: and obviously the situation where one's woman can't be freely sold are situations of girlie, ~0 value.
mircea_popescu: it's no way to live, to my eyes, but then again.)
asciilifeform: dunno that errything valuable is liquid
mircea_popescu: liquid in the sense of "to an arbitrary degree" or liquid in the sense of "at all" ?
asciilifeform: just about 100% of the gear asciilifeform is sitting in the middle of, from the lenses in his specs to the 400kg of elaborate space heater, prolly wouldn't fetch moar than weight in scrap iron in junkyard
asciilifeform: at all.
mircea_popescu: because if it's not liquid AT ALL, in the blender-can't-liquify-cookie, it's necessarily worthless, by the very definition of terms.
asciilifeform: worthless other than to owner
mircea_popescu: insanity is worthless other than to owner, a calc over how sin is meaningless except to the sinner.
asciilifeform: is the spiffy body-fitting suit mircea_popescu is sitting in, also 'insane' ?
asciilifeform: betcha flea market would pay a penny to the buck for it, vs what it cost to bake
mircea_popescu: you think it can't be sold ?
asciilifeform: errything can be sold.
asciilifeform: q is for how much vs what bought it
mircea_popescu: no, not errything.
asciilifeform: damn near errything
mircea_popescu: not at all. the issue with "girlfriends" as understood by idiots is that they can ~not~ be sold.
mircea_popescu: and this strictly and necessarily means, worthless.
asciilifeform: if it cannot be sold at all, as in you'd have to pay someone to take it, then analogous to radwaste
mircea_popescu: which is my point.
asciilifeform: makes sense ( tho i have nfi whether applies to orig d00d or not )
mircea_popescu: to restate in these terms, "two young males, fractional '''girlfriend''' they'd have to pay to get rid of, living with parents, hoping to be one day paid by inca for the useless '''work''' they want to do" etc.
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall kako bragging that he's just about блатной , never worked a lick for inca
mircea_popescu: (and yes, eminently "wife" in usg.zone is the above, whether you call it "divorce settlement" or anything else.)
asciilifeform: but again have nfi what troo and what fiction
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you familiar with ballas' point that "independent consultants" getting inca's various programs going are exactly like company men but without dental ?
asciilifeform: familiar in >1 way yes
mircea_popescu: ie, no difference between fat nigglet hired by Dept of Hurr and "independent doctor of liberal profession" writing her reports ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's differences i'm sure, if nothing else the tag strings differ. but i fail to see any comparably important to the similarities, and so it goes.
BingoBoingo: fat nigglet takes more paperwork to get rid of
mircea_popescu: i suppose, upon a coupla minutes' examination, the foremost difference'd be kakobrekla character spoke another language ; dubious whether the other one did. though i guess not possible.
mircea_popescu: i guess why not*, possible.
asciilifeform: iirc douchebag admitted that not
asciilifeform: ( 19yo kiddo with typical ameri-schooling )
BingoBoingo: Also hard to discern in douchebag a desire to learn or indication he understood having other languages is a good thing