a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 15:12 mircea_popescu: aite, let's get back to this.
mircea_popescu: but in general, you can't leave this as a dangling pointer. it's a significant threat, gotta be defended in depth.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-28 07:42 mircea_popescu: In Bitcoin this responsibility is based not in law, but fact. LocalBitcoins chose to fart on their plates and some of their weaker customers who trusted them are now ill. It doesn't matter where what was served was contaminated, but that LocalBitcoins served poison. Yes the consumers ought to have known better, but in the future knowing better means escewing a venue that sells turds as sausages on the virtue of both be
a111: Logged on 2015-01-08 05:10 BingoBoingo: As far as anyone knows localbitcoins is 3 Belgians and a 5Is leak.
mircea_popescu: iirc that was a) a quote and b) re buying btc, not selling it.
mircea_popescu: anyways -- something is better than nothing ; i'm not insisting on the specific someting, merely provided by means of example. as long as there's something.
mircea_popescu: because this situartion whereby "nothing, because something's flawer" is really a 2nd approximation of death.
mircea_popescu: most people kinda discover this when kids reach school age -- while no such thing as perfect school... nevertheless, gotta send them somewhere!
mircea_popescu: anyway, considering how little your needs are (what was it, a few k's worth of monthly wire ?), if indeed the whole of localbitcoins can't provide against hard currency, THAT is a qntra lulz item right fucking there.
mircea_popescu: talk to whatever, belgium. denmark. dutchlands. any and all countries work, you want a ~wire~.
mircea_popescu: odds are, "country" is "where person selected they;'re located".
mircea_popescu: and if it does that, you got an item. remember the first actually deeded item, smickles' report re i don't recall which scamfest ?
mircea_popescu: predated kako's run to hungary to examine w/e "miner" maker. you recall that btw ?
a111: Logged on 2013-09-06 20:10 kakobrekla: we debunked primeasic on the second day
mircea_popescu: to add to that pile : looked at "adclerks.com" recently ; advertising item that claims to take bitcoin. discovered that actually the largest sites listed are tiny, and it's altogether dubious the sum of the top dozen or w/e actually adds up to trilema.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> odds are, "country" is "where person selected they;'re located". << That's the deal. People doing wires do wires. Just gotta route around USistan
mircea_popescu: how did dc bank account morph into "BingoBoingo's piggy" and why can't you have the same process for, eg, ordering shit off amazon.
mircea_popescu: so how did a.1 turn into b.1 while a.2 is entirely aside ? no working classifier, what is it ?
mircea_popescu: when the hell did that happen ? im pretty sure i ever only paid it via wire
mircea_popescu: you think amazon doesn't have exactly the same problems as pizarro ?
mircea_popescu: solutions abound ; but yes they don't fall in the eager open mouths, have to be actually applied to work.
mircea_popescu: for that matter -- specializing a few localbitcoinists, if this is at all possible, has the advantage of you know -- adding people.
mircea_popescu: the more one tends his garden, the more one has shit to rely on later.
lobbes: fwiw amazon does allow paying via (us based) checking acct.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this is fine for you neh, talk to rc suppliers, qwho are all in china, until one wants to sell 96 pcs on wire. this way you know who to talk to about ~other~ pieces also later on, as i fucking doubt anyone only sells rc on amazon yes ?
lobbes: asciilifeform, yeah, seems it is only ACH
mircea_popescu: in general, the PERSONALIZATION of all relationships is the key to victory. yes, you met her at the casino bar, but this doesn't mean anything abotu the fucking casino bar.
mircea_popescu: and same for chicks you pick off any other fetlife, whether they call themselves "localzon" or "amabitcoins" or ANYTHING ELSE. meat markets, all of them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, cool. any of them want to be wirepaid ?
lobbes: mircea_popescu, well, optimally I'd be buying a little btc every certain frequency. Just converted some fiat a month or so ago though buying for pizarro
mircea_popescu: it'd be indeed surprising if a) anyone selling useful electronics wasn't from china or b) anyone from china couldn't eat wires. and so there you go.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, a cool, so you don't need an introduction then.
lobbes: but yeah, I'm almost always interested if pizarro needs some lulazon materials ordered
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, alrighty, but by now pressure's off you by a degree of magnitude at least. which was the idea, let's put out fires before they catch.
mircea_popescu: don't a) put yourself in situations where you're overpressured only so that b) you can complain you find yourself in situation of overpressure. whole fucking trick to management, that.
trinque is willing to buy btc via pizarro again, as he has already.
trinque: much better than dealing with idiot exchanges
lobbes: or randos on bitcoin-otc
mircea_popescu: anyway, amazon also sells larger items, such as electric equipment, boats, w/e. how the fuck they do that via visa is anyone's guess.
mircea_popescu: not in my experience, they settle in 60 days or some dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck's gonna give visa 60 days layover on a mn or two.
mircea_popescu: not to mention nobody but the lozeriest of consumer sellers would ~even consider~ the bs "arbitration" and visa opining on things and matters.
mircea_popescu solidly despises anyone accepting credit cards as means of payment. they're the modern day equivalent of medieval pub wenches, there to have children of unknown paternity each year.
mircea_popescu: well sure as fuck not with a card lol. unless i suppose the occasional "platinum iridium black iridiscent" cuck
mircea_popescu: anyway, this discussion is vividly bringing to mind acquaintance there. erry day he'd religiously shred the mail spam. "hey, why do you not read it ?" "well, it's spam, waste of time to read. that's why i shred". erry day, half hour, at the least. saving self from the waste of time.
trinque: sure, one year 0%, then only 25%, and etc
mircea_popescu: it was rare in the 90s ; it's pestilentially common now.
mircea_popescu: more than half of the "global economy threatening" "fraud" comes from this.
lobbes: apparently us kidz these days are getting their ss#s harvested from the numerous 'ransomware attacks' on schools (i.e phishing government employees to give access to poorly protected data)
mircea_popescu: except the way it works is restaurant/bar/whartever you frequent is stuck hiring the fucktarded neets, who have massive turnover, and are potheads/convicts universally. just a matter of time before one swipes your card, and then go, explain that th4e charges were bogus at restaurant down the street you visit weekly.
mircea_popescu: it takes a dose of imbecillity on the level of such displayed in fargo, to use credit card as a means of payment.
trinque: meanwhile creating however many billions of "fraud" within which to hide whatever the bank wants.
mircea_popescu: they ~are~ useful, principally in the sense of giving agent a pile of them when sent on mission. but that's about it.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-13 01:00 asciilifeform: fact is, 'carding' could disappear overnight if the card issuers wished it. (even in countries with ubiquitous old-style magnetic readers. devices which present the correct magnetism, using one-time account #s, are trivial.)
mod6: <+asciilifeform> hey ben_vulpes , trinque , mod6 , do you also get these horrors in the post ? << oh yeah. i end up with bushels to burn every quarter.
mircea_popescu: actually he prolly has it, coal bed incineration faster and better than shredding
mod6: it's quite incredible.
mircea_popescu: and it's not anything ; random comcast consumer from Joplin, Missouri.
ben_vulpes: yo BingoBoingo how about some scans of that hot cedula :P
☟︎ ben_vulpes:
http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-16#356543 << i've got folks in-wot i've already pushing btc to over amazon; i'm pretty comfortable with orders in the range of 500-2000 usd; what i'm looking for are folks that want to eat on the order of 10kusd of btc every month or so, that's the comfortable headroom i'd like
☟︎ mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-16 02:22 lobbes: but yeah, I'm almost always interested if pizarro needs some lulazon materials ordered
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-15 14:56 asciilifeform: esp given as the fact that the project has cost asciilifeform a good % of his btc and the bulk of his usd
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-16 02:39 asciilifeform: hey ben_vulpes , trinque , mod6 , do you also get these horrors in the post ?
mod6: there's no opt out lever.
trinque: yeah, I went to whatever bullshit site and said pretty pls no bully
ben_vulpes: ah ty asciilifeform, the spare spleen where i keep anxiety thanks you
ben_vulpes: far more interesting story than context-free bitchin about the spam imho
ben_vulpes doesn't depreciate shredder blades on anything but the plastic; everything else gets packed into the prepaid return envelopes
mircea_popescu: my takeaway from this is, "if establishing natoreich household, saw oil barrel in half, dump grill charcoal + mail there weekly or w/e"
ben_vulpes: one only needs the single return envelope...
mod6: i use firepit + healthy dose of gasoline
ben_vulpes: seventeen lmfao i ain't seen more than 2 in a week in recent memory. far more irksome the raw advertisements from which i must sift actual and extremely rare bits of important mail.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 03:06 mircea_popescu: if bitcoin starts dropping again people will be begging to buy into you, logically.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-15 15:37 mod6: ah, maybe that as for 96. anyway, will wait for ben_vulpes
mod6: we will need a run of FG tho 'eh?
ben_vulpes: in the meantime, i'll focus on a landing page, wading through the sea of omg that is webhosting forums and planning in detail how to filter the sea, and booting alternatives to extant l1folks for 10kusd btc sales
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ah i had some notion that you maxed out at 2 chassis, if we can do it in a single run that'd be great
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: we're not shipping any more single servers down there until uy1 is gagging or l1 asks nicely
ben_vulpes: my mistaken misunderstanding that you could only do 2 chassis of RC plant is incorrect then, which is actually cool
ben_vulpes: i thought it was 24/chassis, 2u/chassis and (for some reason, obviously incorrect), 2 chassis per trip.
ben_vulpes: well that's magnificent and the part i missed
ben_vulpes: so we can do an entire production run in one go. fuckin awesome.
ben_vulpes: and yes asciilifeform mircea_popescu can i get a quote for 96 fg or 100 if that's a more convenient batch size?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 19:51 diana_coman: ave1, if I want to test your gnat-building script what steps should I follow so that I have at the end of it maximum info re what works/doesn't and in what context exactly?
ave1: note that the script creates cross-compilers first
ave1: so, 'aarch64-musl-linux' is x86_64 exe and created aarch64 static bins
ave1: the static binaries, being static, run on all linuxes be it glibc or musl
ave1: the cross-compilers are then used to make 'native' compilers
ave1: so the aarch64-...-native run on aarch64 and are static
ave1: it does not matter if the linux is glibc or musl, I tested also on a clean ubuntu arm64 image
☟︎ ave1: But ofcourse only for the statically compiled binaries
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 21:53 asciilifeform: but his aarch64-linux-musl is... x86-64
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: for the love of all that is holy i hope you mean "pizarro bought all teh extant fg" and not "all the fg that will ever be already are"
mircea_popescu: we'll have to fabricate more ; which is in the early stages.
ben_vulpes: right right well knowing that we booughtcha out i'm asking for a quote hoping (since confirmed) that a new run was in the works or to get one underway
mircea_popescu: mind also that 100 fgs are somewhat expensive ; and you're cash starved. neither for time nor for money do you want to marry the rockchip pile to fgs
ben_vulpes: scratch that; because we need fg i'm asking for 'em.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: those were running at a what 4x markup or something stiff last i saw?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, incidentally, wouldn't we be better served by making a proper run, 500 say ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, honestly, it can wait for the better model. not like he's ~without~ fgs.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what fraction of the plant do you figure should be equipped?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and what, ship 'em onebyone?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, it's a significant chunk of the cost of the rc, you realise ? YOU should be answering this, on the basis of, what you can sell.
mircea_popescu: you got three items, shared, rc, rc+fg. you tell us, which sells in what proportion to what.
ben_vulpes: ya reasonable, will answer on the next context switch
mircea_popescu: otherwise, nsa is not adverse to making a new run, but it will take a while.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-15 15:37 mod6: ah, maybe that as for 96. anyway, will wait for ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: fwiw, i see the ROC-RK3328-CC at ~40 to maybe as high as 55 depending on quantity. 100 in one batch should be about 4000 realistically.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: ~112 per RC, 2500 transpo, 1k for chassis, 4 chassis, 17,252
☟︎ deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: and why is the chassis 1k ? am i missing something besides "aluminum" ? and why is the bitcoin 17252/2.75 = 6273?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the " the price inevitably dips" theory works A LOT better if it doesn't have to dip under 6k.
ben_vulpes: i haven't updated the rc price since the pilot run, and that number assumed 1 transportation run per chassis since i'd not gotten the refutation of that number until just now.
mircea_popescu: the cheaper you get your stuff, you understand, the more your intaingibles and equity lines are worth.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: absolutely fine, if not outright premier way to maximize shareholder value.
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform is nsa fabricating chassisen for pizarro ? or is asciilifeform of his own independent self ?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: unpleasant to run an estimate that comes out kind of marginal and watch hopesndreams go up in smoke as reality sets in
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, it's a tight rope, either way can get unpleasant.
mircea_popescu: that's why it's important to run documented estimates rather than either loose or tight estimates.
ben_vulpes: sure, setting wrong expectations with scary large numbers has its own failure modes
mircea_popescu: re but also a week's stay, like if rich nsa is paying him a little vacation. altogether it comes to this much on the basis of those assumptions" and so on.
ben_vulpes: i had this in i suppose a too-terse form the other day; shall document with words and links.
ben_vulpes: if any of the mpwpists in teh republic can lend a hand, i could really use it in getting urls that don't have index.php in them
trinque: ben_vulpes: you're welcome to snag the /home/trinque/www/.htaccess
ben_vulpes: so i guess that i have to then write a regex to capture all of the old /index.html/y/m/d/post, redirect 'em to /y/m/d/post
ben_vulpes: well i got the rewrite, but can't get mpwp to serve at /y/m/d/post
ben_vulpes: i have the permalink structure as /index.php/year/month/day , but when i switch it over to /year/month/day it 404's
mircea_popescu: it is possible your theme is not supportive of your directory structure. try "custom structure" = "/%year%/%postname%/" ?
ben_vulpes: it tries to redirect to what the right url should be, though
ben_vulpes: quite possible, i'll look at some others tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: other than that, did you fuck anything to include "index.html" ?
deedbot: can voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !W (+ 1500 200 (* 5 150) (* 4 (+ 200 400 100 (* 28 (+ 35 1.0 6.89 34.99)))))
ben_vulpes: i'm running out of steam, will have to resume tomorrow unless mircea_popescu has pressing qs or comments
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 03:39 ben_vulpes:
http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-16#356543 << i've got folks in-wot i've already pushing btc to over amazon; i'm pretty comfortable with orders in the range of 500-2000 usd; what i'm looking for are folks that want to eat on the order of 10kusd of btc every month or so, that's the comfortable headroom i'd like
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-16 02:22 lobbes: but yeah, I'm almost always interested if pizarro needs some lulazon materials ordered
deedbot: diginet voiced for 30 minutes.
diginet: I found it while googling some Fortran stuff
diginet: yes, that just made me more confused
mircea_popescu: it's not the sort of question that you can answer for yourself in a minute.
☟︎ diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814099 <- hm, at least the one asciilifeform obtained did not run on my rockchip (arm arch) so I might need to look deeper into this as to why it didn't; at any rate: mind adding to your post the obtained gnat binaries so I try with them directly from you and then report what fails if anything?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 04:19 ave1: it does not matter if the linux is glibc or musl, I tested also on a clean ubuntu arm64 image
ave1: diana_coman, Sure no problem, I'll put it on the site and send a link. Which one did you try?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 21:50 diana_coman: and fwiw I tried running from there also ./aarch64-musl-linux-cpp -> same result
diana_coman: basically the non-native was not arm; the native at least ran but then the script failed anyway
diana_coman: I did not investigate further but I can do that
ave1: yes, the non-native is a cross compiler, so run on x86_64 and compile for aarch64
ave1: yes, the original scripts only produced cross compilers, and the new ones now also create "real/native" compilers
ave1: I will update the directory names as this is now confusing
ave1: btw, I've not tried running the scripts with the generated native compilers, I always start with the binary from adacore
ave1: I would be interested in how the scripts failed on your side
diana_coman: well, I was testing so at least tested it to break it, ofc :P
diana_coman: sure, I'll paste the stuff today and ping you
diana_coman: it seems it wants --host to cross-compile the x86
ave1: 223b353c4c0299345c13c2abaea9a5e779878b22bd49c8d93a726075a429db8453a45b2fcbeb1d18a1bc282a0e51f695e62dd23cd8b35ca093dd7859caf5dc0a muslaarch64-linux-musl-nativeada.tar.gz
ave1: as for the error, can you go to build/build-bootstrap/binutils-2.25.1/build1 and paste the config.log?
ave1: this seems to be the very first "real" step, compile the binutils for your own system. it may be a CFLAGS problem
ave1: oh wait, you are running the scripts on the rockchip?
ave1: then the ada-build.sh needs adaptation
ave1: so far I only ran these starting on x86_64
ave1: it's the 'build-ada.sh' script
ave1: it's last line is now: ../extra/build-tarballs.sh $PREFIX musl ada x86_64 aarch64
ave1: for starting on aarch64 it should be
ave1: ../extra/build-tarballs.sh $PREFIX musl ada aarch64 x86_64
diana_coman: ah, let me change that and try it again then
ave1: also you can drop the x86_64, as you will probably not be cross compiling to x86_64
diana_coman: well, I'd rather cross compile too if it works because then I can use the rockchip as launchpad for everything else, why not
☟︎ ave1: btw the build process is not small, (nothing is cleaned during the run, to get partial build running)
ave1: and 4.1G for install
ave1: note also, that a lot of it is disk bound, the run takes longer with slow disks
diana_coman: good to know really; perhaps add those notes to the post so it's all in one place?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 22:31 jurov: spyked, iirc we used 4 accounts and it took about a month? surely it's in the log
spyked: ftr, I've gathered about 700k keys in the last 3-4 days; if the total number hasn't changed too much from the previous 6.9M, I estimate I should have all of them in 20-30 days from now.
☟︎☟︎☟︎ ave1: diana_coman, I will try myself too, but need to do some disk shuffling first (I do not have enough room available). Could you send me the config.log in build/build-bootstrap/binutils-2.25.1/build1?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-15 15:37 mod6: ah, maybe that as for 96. anyway, will wait for ben_vulpes
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 04:51 mircea_popescu: fwiw, i see the ROC-RK3328-CC at ~40 to maybe as high as 55 depending on quantity. 100 in one batch should be about 4000 realistically.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 04:53 ben_vulpes: ~112 per RC, 2500 transpo, 1k for chassis, 4 chassis, 17,252
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 04:56 mircea_popescu: and why is the chassis 1k ? am i missing something besides "aluminum" ? and why is the bitcoin 17252/2.75 = 6273?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 05:00 mircea_popescu: the cheaper you get your stuff, you understand, the more your intaingibles and equity lines are worth.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 05:03 mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform is nsa fabricating chassisen for pizarro ? or is asciilifeform of his own independent self ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 06:21 mircea_popescu: but for tomorrow : 28 per chassis then ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 10:15 spyked: ftr, I've gathered about 700k keys in the last 3-4 days; if the total number hasn't changed too much from the previous 6.9M, I estimate I should have all of them in 20-30 days from now.
ave1: asciilifeform, hmm I had it disabled but it is seems to have crept back in. (this is also why is currently failes for diana_coman).
ave1: BTW the aarch64 will build static but not by default, so that part I will check.
☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:28 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814138 << 1k for chassis is ~extremely~ pessimistic ; yes it does need 2x redundant 5v supplies, a quantity of brass pegs , cabling , fans. but not 1k worth.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:43 ave1: BTW the aarch64 will build static but not by default, so that part I will check.
diana_coman: o.O as much as I'd like to lose cpp all together and even forget that it ever existed, that's not feasible atm
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a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 09:00 diana_coman: well, I'd rather cross compile too if it works because then I can use the rockchip as launchpad for everything else, why not
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 17:09 mircea_popescu: republican isp = competent sysadmin who handles relationship with multiple dcs in terms of getting hardware installed and refuses any requests made under color of law by the terrorist organisation known as "the united states government". and publishes them.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 04:59 mircea_popescu: so basically is the idea that you'll just do whatever and we're missing this opportunity to attempt an' standardize iron ?
mircea_popescu: otoh arm is cheap enough to run 50 and pretend you're 1950s space program.
mircea_popescu: they didn't have ecc. they ~implemented~ ecc exactly in the way described.
mircea_popescu: the nightmare this is becoming for the "nobus" bunch though. /me cackles.
mircea_popescu: but can also be implemented as a distributed system, ie, EXACTLY LIKE IN PEOPLE.
mircea_popescu: where any one component admits TWO levels of failure : direct failure, and meta-failure. the former warrants destruction.
mircea_popescu: (meta-failure, of course, being the failure to conceptualize it failed)
mircea_popescu: to drive it into the dirt : a) suppose you want reliable addition, for which purpose you comission rockchip machines 1 through 6. b) you pass along the string "5+6". the answers come 11 11 11 65524 11 11. c) machine 3 notices it is the only one with that result via its distributed n-of-m magick module, and returns "op fail" instead.
mircea_popescu: suppose instead c'. machine failed to so notice, returned 65524 : step d. the other machines return "reject 3."
mircea_popescu: and yes, this can very well be implemented as, "overvotlage its power line"
mircea_popescu , incidentally, is a huge persian poetry fan. i mean the pre rinascimento stuff.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, secrecy is not so much a public matter. your harem slaves will keep your secrets, but why are you talking secretly outside of their bodies ?
mircea_popescu: it's one of the major cultural languages least comprehended by contemporary hermeneutics.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 23:37 mircea_popescu: whole item is about as anti-modern as it gets.
mircea_popescu: so it's quite the rewarding activity, trying to puzzle out what the fuck they wanted from lyf.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i have scant interest in current persian. might as well care about neogreek. to what, to see how they decided to transliterate mcdonalds ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, in other cases -- like, say, dutchland went to shit with william because doh, they all moved over to the island to be english nao -- it's obvious enough wtf happened.
mircea_popescu: but there's no major "let's all move to italy then" moment there.
mircea_popescu: (the correct cut would be, obviously, the arab invasion -- but i choose to be this insulting.)
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 10:15 spyked: ftr, I've gathered about 700k keys in the last 3-4 days; if the total number hasn't changed too much from the previous 6.9M, I estimate I should have all of them in 20-30 days from now.
mircea_popescu: in "things that willn't have happened 20-30 days from now, say security experts"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:26 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814131 << transport for rockchiptron will be considerably cheaper than 2500, as i can't picture needing a whole week, nor 400 in overweight charge for the crates
a111: Logged on 2016-01-16 20:58 phf: i find the framing odd, i thought purpose of s.nsa capital was to assist ascii in his b-a aligned, but essentially personal endeavor, which might potentially have a return. somehow it turned into "pay ascii by the hour". if ascii doesn't want to work on cardano, it's not a b-a way to coerce him, but if the project still exists, is being worked on, then money will be spent when there's something to spend it on, and there will be a
mircea_popescu: yes, but what's the significant problem with nsa selling pizarro custom built chassisen ?
mircea_popescu: when you last flew over (on nsa dime) we sold them servers an' nobody died.
mircea_popescu: okay, but the larger concern seems to be that you'd rather put all your fabrication under nsa than have to explain to shareholders why not and wherefore in the future.
mircea_popescu: there's not some rule that all nsa products must be available to the general public.
mircea_popescu: it can do consultancy / custom jobs for isps/dcs, why the hell not.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't ~have to~ sell for shares. can sell for cash, why not ?
mircea_popescu: we were doing that as an easement, but it's evidently our option neh ?
mircea_popescu: well how much pizarro has in the way of cash isn't changed by ooooh i see the problem, you hafta recirculate this is it ?
mircea_popescu: if you do it as "myself" you get whatever chassis cost in btc in your pocket. if you do it as s.nsa you don't, is the logic ?
mircea_popescu: except you do, iirc materials get paid anyway ? what am i missing here ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's any intention of that. i certainly would vote against the measure.
mircea_popescu: and one step down, nsa doesn't even have to permit equity buys, can insist on being paid cash. i was permitting it because i thought it's desirable, but if you don't like it evidently won't happen.
mircea_popescu: afaik nsa always was exactly what phf is quoted above as having understood it is : the umbrella org for your manufactory.
mircea_popescu: practically the situation here is this : we can either live in universe 1, whereby chassis for pizarro is produced by you for nsa, and sold by nsa to pizarro. in this world nsa stays what it always was, as above, and pizarro can (at practically your option, as i can go either way) pay with undiscounted bonds for cash-equivalent mateirals ;
mircea_popescu: or else universe 2, whereby chassis for pizarro is produced by you as free agent. in this world we have to now explain what nsa actually is, which becomes a rather difficult task, and pizarro will have to sell its bonds on market, to whatever discount.
mircea_popescu: but no, the universe 3 whereby "people made a 300 btc donation to unclear future goals" isn't really on the table.
mircea_popescu: i'd very much rather we go with 1. they booked the chassises at 1k each, tentatively, which is not what's going to happen. bill 120% materials like it seems it's becoming the repuiblican "standard profit" and there we go. neh ?
mircea_popescu: they get a cheaper chassis and we get a working economy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, im not gonna let them. i had no idea you didn't think it's the most excellent the idea. now that i do, hey.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why i assumed that's the case, but good you said something, as it'd never have occured to me to ask, either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, anyway, an' ftr, if your concern is that you're underweight pizarro, you can just as well do a second round. see if mod6 wants to either a) give it more btc or else b) move into a minority position. pizarro would certainly benefit from a larger piggy giving it more solidity etc, so you can do another 10-20 round either by yourself if mod6 is agreeable or else match together or any which old way. this isn't an u
mircea_popescu: well one direct solution is to enlarge baloon as above.
mircea_popescu: hey, other then the times i get pissed off it's a pleasure.
mircea_popescu: this is the sad fact of the matter, fucktarded bureaucrats have managed to shit over the true core of what europe even fucking ever was.
mircea_popescu: in any case is the strategic reason for the republican positioning.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:35 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814192 << definitely not 28. unless a separate fg-less unit is built, then can hold 32 . and yes i have a cad drawing in progress, so as to work like men rather than monkeys in africa
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:37 asciilifeform: cross compiler also not very useful imho. let the thing build a pc and an arm compiler ( and yes if it has to build cross compiler in the process, let it , but consider it to be a strictly intermediate step )
mircea_popescu: spyked, by the way, are you hitting both ssh and
https for cert keys ? or just ssh ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6, you see holes in ye logic ? << Sounds good. I think that s.nsa building the chassis then we do it as stated is fine. (unless I misunderstand). Pizarro will pay for these in cash. I agree too on staying away from the equity buys as well.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, oh turns out i was confused, it is github he's doing.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i'm not opposed to 2nd round, and would participate, iirc ben_vulpes & mod6 are weighing the numberz even as we speak. << yeah, we've been talking about this, indeed.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 14:42 asciilifeform: ( retaining some knob for dynamic linkage isn't totally useless, it enables such things as valgrind ; but i'm quite prepared to lose valgrind, it is not really so necessary when writing asciilifeform-style -- heapless -- ada )
mod6: I think I'm fine to personally add in another 5 BTC at least, maybe 10 BTC. But depends on discussions, etc.
mod6: One thing that's immediately pressing us is that we need to figure out this BTC->USD conversion problem discussed yesterday.
mod6: So there's a couple things in the air: We're workin on it. :]
mod6: asciilifeform: how do you feel about such a proposition? If I add in another, say 5 or 10 BTC, does this present any problems in your mind?
mircea_popescu: or does mod6 do 20 you do 5 and you're ballooned out ? :D
mircea_popescu: the fact that pizarro is actually well supported is the principal part, for its commercial credit. otherwise, it can't well spend even the 10 it has so far, 1.5 or so go to the rockchips, then it's all "get sales going".
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> or does mod6 do 20 you do 5 and you're ballooned out ? :D << This is a possibility. Although, I'm not sure I want to outlay that much at the moment.
mod6: But, yeah, we're trying to figure out what makes sense here.
mircea_popescu: so agree that you'll each add another 5btc as circumstances merit ; then pizarro has all the backing it needs and a clear path to success. and if the circumstances "merit" in the sense that it needs rescuing rather than it's expanding, you can fire the management and get someone else or w/e.
☟︎ mod6: I'm fine to do another round of at least 5 (maybe more) -- but I was under the impression that asciilifeform was sort-of nearly btc-tapped out. But I didn't want to presume anything.
mod6: mod6 can make up the difference if required (I believe).
mircea_popescu: the day we celebrate the international phf's pregnancies day ?
mod6: We need to pay billz :D
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:25 phf: aight, i'm going to be out of commission until mid may. i have comments for eulora that i need to type up (i got to sit down with a printout out over this weekend), i'm not sure about the amount of work required for the grapher until i have time to sit down and read v.pl (i sort of have an idea of how to implement it as part of vtools, but i'm not sure if the slicing is adequate), until i do i don't have a clear idea of how long it's going to take. i m
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6: y'all have a timeline for this second round or are we going to leave it at "when necessary"? i prefer to capture commitments shortly after their made (none of this private equity "you commit twenty million today, we ask for it in three years and returns are evaluated on time from wire clearing to divestment date" silliness), and moreover having and not needing trumps needing and having to
ben_vulpes: walk around with hat-in-hand, even to boston partizans
mod6: I think we could maybe get it done by end of May. However, we have two other things that need primary focus (others may disagree) at the moment. We need to pay bills, and we need BTC->USD interface.
mod6: I guess, it may all be moot if we can't easily convert the BTC->USD to pay ze bills.
mod6: Any, regardless of other struggles, I'm rather flexible!
mod6: ben_vulpes: but overall, I agree, sooner is better than later.
mod6: I'll check back, bbs: meat.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:32 asciilifeform: and re time on site : i can't picture needing more than 3 days : 1 to sleep ( asciilifeform can't sleep on planes ) ; 1 to install fg and emplace the boxen into the rack ; 1 for overflow .
BingoBoingo: Going on six weeks without a sighting. I was worried the Irish would reinfest the place, but that worry hasn't been realized
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 03:57 asciilifeform: 1 man can carry 4u, or rather 100kg ( it is possible to have >4u in regulation-sized trunks ) plus rucksack 10kg.
mircea_popescu: to continue
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814352 : take the nizami story of khosrow (last persian ruler) and shirin (possibly roman princess). not only is it usually rendered in pantsuit retellings as "farhad and shirin" (farhad being the politruk, modernist element / in his own mind only rival to the king), but the very naive "women get a say, not the natural but the fabricated sort" it's steeped in (written as it is fi
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 15:13 mircea_popescu , incidentally, is a huge persian poetry fan. i mean the pre rinascimento stuff.
mircea_popescu: ve centuries after the fact) directly map into current republican ideology on the topic.
mircea_popescu: "why no more persian empire after 600 ?" "because they started asking the wrong things of the wrong people"
diana_coman: ave1, happy to say that your script worked perfectly fine on x86_64 with Adacore's 2016 gnat!
diana_coman: I'd really like to have a clear and tested way to bootstrap with non-adacore gnat though
diana_coman: ah, free bla bla; no, I meant with the output of ave1's script (even if at the very root one used adacore's, once upon a time, fine); basically what I was trying to do yesterday on rockchip
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 21:28 asciilifeform: diana_coman: steps to replicate: 0) on a machine WITH A WORKING GNAT (e.g. adacore's , and it must be in your path already ) 1 ) download the tarball from
http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support 2) unpack tarball ada-musl-cross-2018-05-15.tgz , go to the dir 3) mkdir bin << this is where the built binariola will live 4) ./build-ada.sh /home/foo/temp/ada/ada-musl-cross-2018-05-15/bin
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 00:10 mircea_popescu: re
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813559 : one important palliative measure would be for ben_vulpes to create a strong presence on localbitcoins, if nowhere else. there's people there willing to do wires for you, and you never know when it comes handy in a pinch.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha, I know; my point was: we need to have this tested and ironed out and we are golden
jurov: asciilifeform: transferwise declined all further wires to my acct
jurov: it's sth like western union
jurov: how would i obtain such information, pls?
mircea_popescu: well, you ask whoever told you "so and so decliend" who asked them anything.
mircea_popescu: i dunno specifically, but you follow the trail, in general.
mircea_popescu: well, fwis "something happened i can't be arsed to debug". which is a perfectly fine and even somewhat common failure mode.
jurov: transferwise was better than paypal as they don't hold funds, they send each wire directly to my bank. if i used paypal, they have no problem to seize whole account.
BingoBoingo: from wikipedoia: "TransferWise routes payments not by transferring the sender's money directly to the recipient, but by redirecting them to the recipient of an equivalent transfer going in the opposite direction. Likewise, the recipient of the transfer receives a payment not from the sender initiating the transfer, but from the sender of the equivalent transfer. This process avoids currency conversion and transfers crossing borders"
jurov: and ofc, NO ONE i know of got any answer "why" frm paypl
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would want to get involved with that nonsense jebus.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Kinds looks like the idea the RIPple folks RIPple'd off.
mircea_popescu: jurov, glad you said something, we can now ban "transferwise" explicitly.
jurov: before bitcoin, i was paid from australia by wires and it was deplorable, ~50 euro fees unpredictable every time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, some of the "transferwise" "customers" are evidently into money laundering, as the entire "service" transparently reeks of. soo... mno.
mircea_popescu: jurov, yes, wires are not free. i'd rather pay that 50 than almost any other 50 though.
mircea_popescu: just like i'd rather pay bitcoin tx fees than other chrap. jesus christ.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fucking cheek of those fuckers. seriously, they're going to be the indirection layer between you and your friends ? and what else, "web platforms" ?
BingoBoingo: And in other developments, Cambios are now buying Argentine pesos for 0.9 Pesos Uruguayos. The cambios however are still selling Argentine Pesos for 1.6 Pesos Uruguayos.
BingoBoingo: It's a hell of a spread, but this is the lowest I've seen the Argentine peso in my time here. Compra/Venta on the USD is 30/31 so the Pesos Uruguayo has dropped a bit too, but WTF Argentina
mircea_popescu: and i bet you they're still pompously going about buenos aires, buying socks on credit and acting like renting their hovels is anything but an act of grace such that you get the wife/daugthers every night you feel like.
BingoBoingo: Exchange rates are on BIG signs in the windows of cambios in every corner, and yet the common perception is the peso Argentino is "worth more" than the peso Uruguayo
BingoBoingo: I have heard nothing. Did you simply mail them the scan, or did you accompany it with: With respect to [tracking number] here is the requested document. Considering [whatever prepaid customs program, and Amazon order #], I am confused as to why this parcel has not been delivered.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, perhaps should organize a carrying of various spare odds and ends such as a dc must have on hand but the orcs do not : assorted cables, spare hdds / cards etc.
BingoBoingo: Not yet, I'm not thrilled with the prospect of a 3-4 hour minimum airport adventure trying to argue the finer points of a pre-paid customs program I am unfamiliar with. Have you tried twisting the nipple of the prepaid customs folks yet? Escalating the DHL thing?
mircea_popescu: incide4ntally, is the samsung item availavble locally ? "no oem" may have the counter-property that "same price everywhere"
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: how are you going to learn how to do it but by doing it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, hey, you got 8 hours every day to fit it in.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And are there reciepts or anything beyond the tracking page and demand letter? These people are big on invoices and I lack one.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty. I'll plan to get on the bus Friday. In the interim if you could send keepalive/IRunhappy packets to AES/DHL, just to see if the package could appear without getting on the tin can of misery it would be appreciated.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty. If there's a way to avoid transit in the tin can of sadness, it is appreciated.
BingoBoingo: After the rest of today's business will probably hacer a blogpoast on the subject
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
PeterL: Just got a new computer at work, testing things out. (they upgraded us all to Winblows 10, horay! bleh)
trinque: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda is but a livecd away
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Tracking information updated. Looks like a trip in la lata miserable will be avoided