mircea_popescu: no agreement is sought. not like we're packing a cinematic capsule for mars and can only fit one removed head.
mircea_popescu: but absent statement, ima suspect something like ambiguously manly bystritskaya.
mircea_popescu: but let's take the case of say drubich. chick didn't even WANT to be an actress ; yet her career conveniently spans the gap, and if you compare her work in the 80s with her work in the 90s, you can readily see the uglification effect of an all-soviet soyuz. even conquers age, somehow 30yo woman looks WAY THE FUCK better than her own teen self.
mircea_popescu: this is the whole fucking point. when the soviets are in charge they decide female sexual competition "not fair" hurr durr. everyone gets lazy, ugly and stupid.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking point is that it's not fair nor will it ever be fair. cheat.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-30 03:40 mircea_popescu: and "peasant civilisation" as in mirvniki or the wooden civilisation that covered the hills of transylvania as late as the 1800s is "both must repress"
mircea_popescu: but the idea isn't that 1980s chickie ~couldn't~ have been beautiful. of course could have been. the problem is that there wasn't who to put random clothespins on her nippes so she actually WAS beautiful. and for lack of that, well... she might as well could not have been, because unactualized potential and absent potential are not distinct in any sense.
mircea_popescu: you are aware i was using it in the general, to denote the whole kit and kaboodle, high heels, proper posture, not being a lazy fuck, etc ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: alf-aesthetics is a rough pass filter
mircea_popescu: you are aware that "safe space" campuses with "no rape" ~= unwashed cunts yes ?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, it was in the log this morning. with peterl lol.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, but not there. because THEY CANT SEE IT. the difference between pantsuitism and aneurism -- minimal.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( tho in usa folx wash obsessively, to the point of annihilating their skin bacteria dangerously ) << Two of the potato nigger femayos insisted on wearing tank tops while they had actively draining boils in their armpits
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 00:29 mircea_popescu: poor bb.
BingoBoingo: But the Cowork is frankly boring. Insufficient turnover there. Same Uruguayos dicking around on photoshop and playing Pinoy all the time.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, There were a good number of times in January-February where my roommates for the night would be 7 identical argentine schoolgirls. They would sit in a circle and stare at their phones for hours, but at least they understand the importance of ventilation
BingoBoingo: And they make fine room decor hanging about in their lacy things.
BingoBoingo: Another time a family with children booked the other beds in my room and despite "No guests under 18" they were here during one of the Carnaval weekends
mircea_popescu: "better os because apps have gone to hell and here's some bits from wikipedia. paypal."
mircea_popescu: it's a great thing he made his own genesis that isn't.
mircea_popescu: if the population of venice consisted of these fucks, the turks would have discovered a decrepit fisherman's village populated of a bunch of stiff retards gathered on the beach pointing at the sea.
mircea_popescu: "are you doing anything here ?" "we're showing the way!"
mircea_popescu: it's not proper to call it linux, it's gnu/linux, ok ? the inept crud on the side mattered, as proven by the fact that it was left behind once the core was stolen!
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 19:58 mircea_popescu: aaand mpex is back via mpex.biz.
mod6: I kinda dig the clothes-pins.
mod6: Strictly speaking, that's a very nice rack of tits, but the clothes-pins add some nice aesthetic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's the fate of all government-powered pretend-business : to be rolled up into ever larger dollops, eventually a single one.
mircea_popescu: originally. then they slowly got absorbed into larger items
mircea_popescu: kinda the problem with imaginary objects. they converge.
ave1: !Q later tell asciilifeform The gcc makefiles use gnatls to find the runtime system directory, they do 'gnatls -v | grep adalib'. When ADA_OBJECTS_PATH is set, that line will return two directories and the build fails. Could you past the output of gnatls -v? (I can fix it with an extra head or tail call, but that also seems fragile)
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mircea_popescu: i suppose the "reasonable" notion would be to not start this conversation well past midnight ; but my expectation is that were i to wait till tomorrow, or till six weeks from now, it'll still have to be carried exactly in the same manner for exactly the same reason, so what the hell difference does it make.
mircea_popescu: yo phf, what's the status on any of the n items you were going to be delivering except failed to ever mention again ?
mircea_popescu: is the manifest issue fixed ? is the graphing done ? am i what, going to lose v now because i'm too polite to yell, and left to your own devices you're just going to break it, permanently, obscurely, and forget about it ? or what's the fucking logic here.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-25 19:40 phf: in any case i'll produce a fix by wednesday, but not before. this requires careful work
mircea_popescu: dude check out the timestamps, 25th of feb, 25th of march, 19:40ish ? wtf coincidence is that.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 14:31 mircea_popescu: a right. hanbot do me a favour : download ~only~ those patches which are in the leftmost trunk seen on phf's viewer (so exclude vtools_vdiff_sha, and its dependents) and try to flow again ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 04:05 phf: trinque: it wouldn't, i believe there's an antecedent->dependency transformation issues (i.e. the transform in mod6 v is adhoc, so it can't handle the tricky antecedent graph). the approach hanbot used was to just use the patches from the left branch of the graph, until, per mircea_popescu's request, i write a general purpose v graph code.
mircea_popescu: well, so if i'm talking to someone that's not particularly keen on doing me any favours, what do i say to them ? something like "don't use v, it is broken" ? so they can ask me for how long it's been broken and i can say what, a month ? and they can then ask when it is going to be fixed and i can say "dunno" ?
hanbot: well, left branch approach does exist; that's why i was even able to put up the mp-wp genesis, after all. as for fix, sure an eta'd be better than no eta. i'm just sayin', doesn't look much like a runner to me.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 04:33 mircea_popescu: how about a convention whereby all new genesises must contain a manifest.genesis file, which file will be constantly patched on each patchj, no exceptions, by adding a line which reads : "This is patch #x and the codebase hash is blabla".
a111: Logged on 2018-03-30 23:52 phf: well, i'm now convinced that manifest is an elegant, minimally invasive solution. i'll try it in a regrind.
mircea_popescu: fellow strikes me as intelligent in conversation, then i keep having somehow the exact sort of problems with him that i usually have with idiots : i have no fucking idea what's going on, and i have to twist arms to sorta find out, maybe.
mod6: Back in the old days, there was one tree. I'm still not sure what problem we are trying to solve with all of this.
mod6: If there were vpatches in your flow that went down two different paths, you simply removed those vpatches from your 'patches' directory. Press path A. You want bath B? Then you just add in what ever path B consists.
trinque: the problem is that I have two unrelated patches (in reality, not theoretically)
☟︎ trinque: how do I introduce a 3rd that doesn't abandon any it does not itself modify.
trinque: this has been restated in the logs several times by now.
trinque: your solution in the makefiles patch was to comment in unrelated files, which was inelegant.
mod6: why are they unrelated ? are they not a part of the same project?
trinque: why did you have to comment in files unrelated to the makefiles patch?
trinque: the answer to your question is right there
mod6: and just because it has been stated several times in the logs, does't mean it makes sense to me.
mod6: I feel like that is two different cases maybe. That was the case of tying up the leaves.
mod6: This is something where you have two totally different trees, merged into one.
mod6: I dunno, nevermind. Maybe will just have to leave this complicated work up to those whom understand it better.
trinque: distinguish "tying up the leaves" from what I said?
trinque: you would have dropped one of the antecedent patches you wanted if you hadn't commented in files they edited, right?
mod6: not at that time. at that time, we just pressed all leaves anyway.
mod6: this just made it "tidy".
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: Sent 8 hours and 46 minutes ago: <ave1> The gcc makefiles use gnatls to find the runtime system directory, they do 'gnatls -v | grep adalib'. When ADA_OBJECTS_PATH is set, that line will return two directories and the build fails. Could you past the output of gnatls -v? (I can fix it with an extra head or tail call, but that also seems fragile)
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mod6: Did nasty things when I tried this with TRB.
☟︎☟︎ mod6: I'd have to go back an look, but I seem to recall trying to use it to create the trb patches, then inflate from those. and when I did, lotsa hunks/fuzz etc.
mod6: I'll pull out my notes later today if you actuall want.
mod6: It's very possible i just misused this tool.
mod6: well, fwiw, i'm trying to not get sucked back into all of this. as far as I'm concerned V works.
trinque considers the ability to be able to move files without miles of diff insanity pretty damned cool
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, crystals is neato. Just tried to press (iirc) out the big thing and hit some sort of issues.
trinque: I can also see an argument from mod6 that "pressing all leaves" ~did work, but that's not what's currently done.
mod6: I'll have to get you the info. Probably later today.
mod6: And yea, V 99993K removed that, and now can only press to one leaf.
mod6: I personally find this obnoxious.
mod6: If there are 3 leaves, A, B, and C. And for some reason, I shouldn't have B and C, then I should just be a man, and remove them from my 'patches' dir.
mod6: Otherwise we have a lot of extra complexity and mental gymnatics.
trinque: yeah, could remove press head entirely and press all it can, and operator controls via patch, seals, and wot, eh?
☟︎ trinque: I can see that argument too
mod6: You may just have to disrgard what I was saying above, asciilifeform.
mod6: (re: crystals) re-reading the email, it is jogging my memory that I didn't use the included trb files specifically. I recall screwing around and wiring in my vtron, as opposed to your vtron, then who knows. I probably did something dumb.
mod6: Which is why I don't think I ever posted about it. My attention probably turned to other things, and I haven't circled back yet.
mod6: I'll maybe start fresh on it and see how it goes.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 14:38 trinque: the problem is that I have two unrelated patches (in reality, not theoretically)
mod6: well, sure not "urgent", but I shouldn't say "didn't work" either.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 14:59 trinque: and in service to fits-in-head
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806905 << well my fiat responsibilities are disrupting any kind of reasonable scheduling. i'm not 9 to 5, my fiat work goes through periods of heavy activity that are aligned with particular industry. and right now it's a particular mess, owner had a baby 3 weeks early, 2 weeks ago, another c level is having a baby in a week, and we're in the middle of a release. previous republican work was kind of cutting into some
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 06:55 mircea_popescu: is the manifest issue fixed ? is the graphing done ? am i what, going to lose v now because i'm too polite to yell, and left to your own devices you're just going to break it, permanently, obscurely, and forget about it ? or what's the fucking logic here.
phf: of that fiat work, but now i can't even afford to borrow against future time. basically since i came back from a vacation when the bulk of V work was done, i had very little free time. the republican policy is variations on "fuck your fiat excuses", but that is what's creating these vacuums of "it'll be done... sometime"
mircea_popescu: phf, ok, so then say. "hey folks -- job fucked me over, i'll be lost in the swamp for [2 days ; 3 weeks ; 4 months]" whatever it is. why should i have to try and guess ?
mircea_popescu: you didn't even as much as say "hey, i have a job irl". am i to assume you do ? why should i have to assume, why should i have to guess, there's simply no benefit to doing it this way.
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phf: mircea_popescu: well, we have examples of diana_coman etc. who manages to do republican work while "raising a baby and having a day time job". presumably this shit can somehow be scheduled and managed better, i.e. the fact that those things even need to be communicated is an organizational failure. some progress could be made.
phf: those thing being "i have a job irl"
mircea_popescu: just because i seem to be guessing successfully in case X does not mean you should put me in the situation of guessing about you. it just does not fucking pay.
mircea_popescu: if i have to guess i'll possibly guess wrongly ; if i have to assume i will conceivably assume incorrectly. why ? what does it pay ? just say. i know they told you discreet pays, but they lied. discreet does not pay. blunt wins.
mircea_popescu: mod6, they're "unrelated" in the sense that not all files are touched at the same time, by each patch -- principally because we favour small patches.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 14:50 mod6: Did nasty things when I tried this with TRB.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 15:05 trinque: yeah, could remove press head entirely and press all it can, and operator controls via patch, seals, and wot, eh?
phf: aight, i'm going to be out of commission until mid may. i have comments for eulora that i need to type up (i got to sit down with a printout out over this weekend), i'm not sure about the amount of work required for the grapher until i have time to sit down and read v.pl (i sort of have an idea of how to implement it as part of vtools, but i'm not sure if the slicing is adequate), until i do i don't have a clear idea of how long it's going to take. i m
☟︎ phf: ight have time to sit down with v.pl before mid may. i can also just remove the right hand side of vtools for now, since this new complexity is coming from an experimental v graph anyway. i've no idea though if people are using a sha512 vtools in preference of awk vdiff / gnu patch.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: "fuck your fiat excuses" cuts both ways. we simply don't care, which can mean also we don't mind! just you know, make it easy for everyone to not mind, it'll be that then.
mircea_popescu: trinque, what's your stance here, do you particularly want to implement a grapher / manifest / generally fix a v ? not really ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i specifically don't want it on asciilifeform 's plate because i'm hoping that he and ave1 can actually get gpr work for irl purposes. if i manage to get eulora server off the fsf toolchain it'll be such a win the likes of which i hadn't dared hope for last year. between that and getting pizarro off the ground he has plenty, and not readily replaceable.
mircea_popescu: but we have esthlos waited on a fix, and then there's whatever you were waiting to publish. so i'm guessing it'd have to be one of you.
☟︎ phf: well, manifest is in the vtools project, but there's no programmatic support for it, because it's not even clear to me what sort of programmatic support might be needed. as it stands anyone is free to add or not add a manifest to their particular graph. the result of this experiment is that manifest works, you can see its output on the site. problem that we have is the need for a smarter grapher, the solution to which might just be "if it hurts when yo
phf: u do it, don't do it"
mircea_popescu: phf, i get it dood, takes some thinking you've not had time to do. it's not the end of the world or anything, what the hell.
mircea_popescu: the ~only~ item here is that if you had said "hey, i work with women, we're at that age when they're becoming patently useless / damaging to a professional career, i'll be fucked till mid may" when they started popping babies while preternding to be "owners" of shit, we'd have had this convo late march not early may.
mircea_popescu: not like you're the first to run into something in the entire history of the world.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 14:50 mod6: Did nasty things when I tried this with TRB.
phf: ok, back to the grind for me then
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hey mod6 how's your ada v coming along ? << Still stuck in the drawer. I haevn't even touched it since Q3 of 17. I'm distinctly intersted in rawtx tools getting into trb, currently.
mod6: The problem with the Ada version is the string parsing.
mircea_popescu: i should prolly have a betting pool over how many retarded byte errors of the "hey, check them out, they forgot a comma" type he's gonna find before he releases anything.
mod6: And I'll certainly need to write something (or work with someone) to produce a ~fast~ parser. It's a giant ass-pain with the fixed-length strings.
mod6: Where I did get to last year, had some of this working, not all, but some; and it was SLOOOOW. Too much string processing.
mod6: mircea_popescu: oh, betting against us or prb?
mircea_popescu: mod6, there's no rush there, esthlos had 90% of a working lisp v, i expect it can be tweaked into a deliverable. can have ada v later on.
mircea_popescu: mod6, just how many you'll find, it's already 1, and the rule goes 0-1-inf.
mod6: fwiw, I did look for other appearences of the same bug in all of the trb source files, however, I didn't see one. Doesn't mean that they don't exist. I invite all to examine the source.
mircea_popescu: "so how long is this gonna be ?" "We don't know." "bitch, go back to picking apples."
mod6: Exactly, 0, 1, inf. I was worried about this. MOre pairs of eyes are good here.
mod6: see, I did think that alf had produced something of this kind that was connected to ffa.
mod6: I need to go and look at that, I might be able to use that outright, or borrow from it.
mircea_popescu: mod6, was a while ago. but anyway, nevermind, you'll do all this later. get tx tooling into trb, by all means.
mod6: oh, hmm. I'll have to remind myself.
mod6: Yeah, I've got 'getrawtransaction', 'decoderawtransaction' working and minimally tested. createrawtransaction is built and untestd entirely (was working on recent bug report instead). that leaves signrawtransaction, and sendrawtransaction... and maybe listunspent too.
mod6: But listunspent I already had working long ago, but not with the way you wanted it.
mod6: which, requires a lot more changes, so we'll see.
trinque: neat mod6. super useful for the wallet.
mod6: sign and send are gonna be a tough ones, so we'll see how it goes. I've got a new test machine on the way, so I gotta stand that up, etc for all of this too.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I am entirely willing to help esthlos finish his V
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 17:17 mod6: speaking of ada stuff. i did get horsecocks to compile just fine with the changes that were discussed previously with diana_coman
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:27 asciilifeform: phf: witness what i did re mmap for instance.
mod6: Thanks asciilifeform
mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks too for prodding me about Ada-vtron. I'll poke at it as I can, for sure.
mod6: One other thing about ada-vtron, at the time, I was using system commands to execute `gnupg'. Where as now, perhaps we can use ffa/peh.
mod6: Or work up to that point, anyway.
mod6: Anyway, food for thought.
mircea_popescu: mod6, that's actually... exactly the opposite of what i said!
mircea_popescu: trinque, alright, then that's the plan here, you and esthlos come up with a v i can point people at when they have to publish ; you can test it by publishing whatever it was you were about to on it, and there we go.
mircea_popescu: what's the problem, anyway, we hang out here with 50k cockcaged retards, singlehandedly make up 99% of all their intellectual products while they pretend we don't exist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, do you propose to bereave me of the future "O yEaH ?!?!?! YOU ARE BANNED THEN!!!!" "you think i care ?" "of course you do! everyone cares!!!!" lulz ? hm ?
mircea_popescu: as a smart slut once told peggy, "to have fun you need to organize it"
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ave1: Aha, and I was just writing my response.
ave1: Yes, I it is, I will remove that dependency promptly. Taking complex scripts from the wild takes some time to fix.
ave1: Will do, it already has some mechanism to check if something was build and skip that step. I will look at it some more.
ave1: Currently the mechanism is not fail save, so it sometimes skips a step even if it was unsuccessful.
ave1: That one should not be too hard, most work is done in the buildinstall function in defs.h
ave1: before starting do: export MAKEFLAGS="-j32".
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mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6, that's actually... exactly the opposite of what i said! << I've got ya. I'm just gonna stay on this rawtx stuffs, I'm making ok progress atm.
BingoBoingo: And we have yet another family with children in the hostel
BingoBoingo: And in the Sportsmen being MEN department: "Bauer told Passan that he repeatedly bugged the Indians’ medical staff to cauterize his finger wound shut with a soldering iron. They laughed at him, but Bauer was 100 percent serious. He truly wanted his already mangled finger to be burnt shut so bad he almost performed the procedure himself."
lobbes: Ugh, so my www on my frantech vps has been dog slow all day. Same vps that hosts lobbesbot, so possibly I have finally outgrown the thing (currently hosts bot, mp-wp, archived urls index, eulora price history, and various misc)
lobbes: Pizarro folx, would rockchip box be enough juice for the above? And is it still $75 for a quarter?
lobbes: Essentially would need it for various php-trons, mp-wp hosting, and irc bottage.
lobbes: And s/"still $75 for quarter?"/"still $75 per month if pay whole quarter?"/
lobbes: Ty asciilifeform for info. Ima bbl as well (leaving saltmines), but I'm sold. ben_vulpes: plox to invoice me for one quarter of rockchip box when you are able
mircea_popescu: incidentally, do these come with fg or as an optional ?
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me that ~for the first time~ in the history of computing, we have hardware capable of on the fly rsa-ing.
☟︎ mod6: This is an interesting question.
mod6: I suppose that one could be connected directly to the board, right asciilifeform? But would it physically have to be placed, i.e. underneath, the riser bolts/pegs?
mod6 goes to find the picture
mod6: Ooh, I see some are double stacked.
mircea_popescu: this is indeed where the junction is going, evolve a pcb for official arm item specifically.
mircea_popescu: but premature yet, give it six months in industrial application.
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, mod6 what's the price for a rockchip *with* fg as per asciilifeform's description above?
☟︎ mod6: Ah, ok. Thanks for the info asciilifeform.
mod6: diana_coman: We'll discuss and figure out what makes sense, will report back.