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mircea_popescu: o hey!
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, i am pleased to report that firefox 45 has about a degree of magnitude more memory-related crashes than firefox 10.
mircea_popescu: now we know how they do versioning, log(failure).
mod6: haha
hanbot: BingoBoingo> Aite, next time I go to the feria to look at kitchen utensils Imma have to bring a latina. "Evwerything on the table is a matched set you won't separate" my ass << fwiw, in my experience the SA chinese shops have actually usable knives/glassware/etc (not cast iron specifically tho), and are guaranteed not to pretensewall, or at least, not in the same manner.
asciilifeform: oh hey the adalisp
asciilifeform: spyked: prolly i oughta elaborate re the item in your 4th footnote. a compact lisptron has no particular reason to have any notions of parsing baked in; all it needs is 1) a basic i/o mechanism 2) a way to load an initial pre-built s-expression into the working memory and immediately evaluate it.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-24#1829264 << old one's busted as per comments. new one's sitting on desk, will endeavor to get posted tomorrow.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-24 19:02 PeterL: trinque: on http://trinque.org/2017/12/30/wip-cuntoo-installer/ the links seem to be broken, I tried to leave a comment but I think it got eaten?
trinque: just got in from 3 generations of trinque partying all weekend.
trinque: dunno what these other idiots in shitlandia, but as for us, can gather 60 in one place and have a riot, end of world or not.
trinque: *about
trinque will see y'all in the morn, there's a naked girl to be seen to
phf: trinque is a man of responsibility, checks on log on the way to naked girl
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-31#1820078 << tracked it down https://web.archive.org/web/19990221231608/http://sourcery.naggum.no/emacs/☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-31 21:40 phf: i remember seeing the archive.org version of the relevant page, but i think the correspond tar.gz was not in archive, and i gave up tryin to track it down
phf: apparently the reason i don't remember getting the archive is because there was no archive. "release ... is planned" "i'll publish ... before i do that ..."
phf: relatedly, an amusing post re clemacs, https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3115132473442167@naggum.no.html
mircea_popescu: nuts.
mircea_popescu: this habit of "i'll publish" is on the record having killed more smart men than the police.
mircea_popescu: "If [unrelated insane nonsense], I'll publish my internal, MULE-free version, dubbed Emacs 19.2003. Before I do that, however, I need to know what you think of Emacs 20.3 -- mail me with your experiences."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the other side, https://github.com/AnarchoTechNYC
mircea_popescu: "Part of the tech antifa." in case you didn't know there is such a thing.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829073 << after some investigation it appears that either mysql and/or php is the issue. In other words, stopping the mysql server (thus killing mp-wp) yields the ability load static 'non-mp-wp' pages that otherwise timeout when the server is running☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-23 12:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829051 << lobbes didja determine what proggy (e.g. apache?) it was that actually fell down ?
lobbes: I'm going to try to get some server-side caching going. Though mysql error logs dun complain about lack of resources or anything, so I'm not 100% sure it'll help. And it's not like the Rockchip was running out of memory either (had over 1.5 GB of available RAM during the downage)
mircea_popescu: caching probably a bad idea in context.
lobbes: how so?
mircea_popescu: mysql already caches queries ; apache already caches queries ; your os already caches memory (and the disk already caches the disk) and THEN the processor already caches instruction pipelines
mircea_popescu: you think more caching's the solution ?
mircea_popescu: if you have slow mysql queries (always a possiblity, with cockamamie themes / handspun php etc), ask mysql about it, it'll know.
mircea_popescu: if you have some php problem, apache will tell you.
mircea_popescu: don't just throw caching layers at speed problems, this isn't the 90s anymore.
lobbes: makes sense. see I'm glad I came here before actually adding caching layers
mircea_popescu: every solution to a problem, in terms of medicine rather than shamanism, comes with a definition of the problem first and foremost.
mircea_popescu: if you've no idea ~what~ is slow, what are you going to do ? take pills ?
lobbes: this is very true. in the back of my head was this lingering 'maybe this'll magic all the problems away'. damn head cockroaches
mircea_popescu: you know ? the worst outcome of that approach is if it [seemed to] work.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck even cares if it ever gets fixed or not. the only point of interest, really, is ~what is it ?!?!~. teh thirst for knowledge.
lobbes: this is the point huh? Goal should really be to answer question of 'can mp-wp run on rockchip?'
mircea_popescu: well, answer something, at any rate. "i think this works but i have no idea why or what's going on" is what monkey said about radiobanana.
mircea_popescu: "wait mp, you mean radioactive or radioreceptive ?" "nooooobody knooowsss..."
lobbes: aha. yeah, I got some diagnostics to perform looks like.
lobbes: but for now, bed. I'll report back with findings
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/kumho/ << Trilema - Kumho
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829352 <-- this makes perfect sense and I expect works not only for the read, but also for the print portion of the loop.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 03:52 asciilifeform: spyked: prolly i oughta elaborate re the item in your 4th footnote. a compact lisptron has no particular reason to have any notions of parsing baked in; all it needs is 1) a basic i/o mechanism 2) a way to load an initial pre-built s-expression into the working memory and immediately evaluate it.
ave1: spyked, nice implementation, so far the lispm code seems to fit in my head!
ave1: btw, why not a v genesis?
spyked: hey ty, ave1!
spyked: I think there's great benefit in the ffa chapter-based approach, so I'm not sure yet what the genesis should include. maybe only the lispm piece? or only the spec file from lispm? my sense so far is that after some discussion, at least some of the parts will be rewritten
ave1: Well, rewriting would be helped by a genesis, discussion likewise (then the patches can be on btcbase and refered to in the log...)
spyked: ave1, that's actually a good point. I'll put it on the todo list.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829397 << imho a genesis oughta be a proggy, if a minimal one, that introduces some basic functionality of the larger item ( as seen in ffa ch1 ) , rather than a placeholder, '[this is genesis and blah and other things will also go here]' -- if this makes sense☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 12:20 spyked: I think there's great benefit in the ffa chapter-based approach, so I'm not sure yet what the genesis should include. maybe only the lispm piece? or only the spec file from lispm? my sense so far is that after some discussion, at least some of the parts will be rewritten
mod6: mornin'
asciilifeform: ohai mod6
mod6: how goes today?
asciilifeform: mod6: up to my nose in saecular liquishit. how'bout you?
mod6: heheh, bout the same.
mod6: Gonna be a busy week. Got a lot to accomplish with pizarro & foundation.
mod6: I might not get to it this week, probably sometime in early july, but I'm going to roll in your aggression vpatch to the foundation patch set as well.
asciilifeform: mod6: i see it as moar of a bugfix ( a la mircea_popescu's fix of the db locks constant ) rather than troo patch, fwiw
asciilifeform: and i've yet to hear of anyffing like an argument for keeping shitoshi's idiocy of 'boot time is speshul', even as devil's advocate exercise
asciilifeform: would be interesting to hear, if anybody can think of one.
asciilifeform: for reference : http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks << subj
asciilifeform: in my book, turning '6 month sync' into '3 week sync' is a win.
mod6: for sure. indeed, bug fix.
mod6: and i see no reason not to include it in main vtree.
BingoBoingo: In the first half of today's game Uruguay has scored two goals and Russia has scored two yellow cards. I am starting to suspect winning strategies in futbol (selling your injuries, falling like it is a disaster every time) contribute to the local cultural failures
asciilifeform: fwiw it's been in continuous test on zoolag since day1 ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757668 ) ; iirc several other folx also tested ( incl. 'side by side' nodez ) , see what they have ( ben_vulpes ? possibly mircea_popescu )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 20:42 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000281.html
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829350 << We don't have many chinese here other than recent arrival prospectors, but definitely going to start knocking on doors.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 03:01 hanbot: BingoBoingo> Aite, next time I go to the feria to look at kitchen utensils Imma have to bring a latina. "Evwerything on the table is a matched set you won't separate" my ass << fwiw, in my experience the SA chinese shops have actually usable knives/glassware/etc (not cast iron specifically tho), and are guaranteed not to pretensewall, or at least, not in the same manner.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-24#1829343 << El Kiki or another? Everyone here has a mochila☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-24 19:38 mircea_popescu: recall that lulzy mochilla dood ?
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/25/a-locking-door-gets-nearer/ << Bingo Blog - A Locking Door Gets Nearer
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: oh hah, i thought today was Getting Keys day
mod6: ah, well, let's hope the docs get signed today then
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Today is. Provided dude shows up.
asciilifeform: aah
BingoBoingo: less than three hours away
mircea_popescu: spyked> I think there's great benefit in the ffa chapter-based approach << that ~started with a genesis~.
mircea_popescu: so did diana_coman 's eucrypt.
mircea_popescu: genesis should have included exactly the thing you published.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829397 << imho a genesis oughta be a proggy, if a minimal one << nah, a genesis can well be nothing more than the manifest, if the manifest is a one line poem.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 12:20 spyked: I think there's great benefit in the ffa chapter-based approach, so I'm not sure yet what the genesis should include. maybe only the lispm piece? or only the spec file from lispm? my sense so far is that after some discussion, at least some of the parts will be rewritten
mircea_popescu: there is ~no~ benefit to delaying genesis-ification. all it buys one is the naggum stupidity, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829365☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 06:15 mircea_popescu: this habit of "i'll publish" is on the record having killed more smart men than the police.
mircea_popescu: that's the one part of naggum you absolutely do not want.
mircea_popescu: we already have a mechanism to deal with irrelevance, there's no need for an ad-hoc, broken, personal implementation whenever something useful may be occuring, to fuck it up.
asciilifeform: speaking , incidentally, of 'publishing before perishing' :
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nLG1g/?raw=true << hey mircea_popescu , what does this look liek to you ?
asciilifeform: because to asciilifeform it looks like a lolnobus
asciilifeform: ( not, naturally, any such thing in the public src )
mircea_popescu: but to reiterate : there's nothing wrong with a broken, not complete, not working, not pretty etc genesis. most neonates are also not worth the fucking.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform like a pile of magic numbers, vaguely reminiscent of "what letter is on the left bottom of page 23 of manual" crap
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : seems to clumsily look for string 'escue' and some, yet to be determined, magical attribute of a candidate rsa sig )
asciilifeform: some entirely non-rsaific attribute, that is
mircea_popescu: right!
asciilifeform: and it does seem to get called in the case when neither half of rom passes rsa sig...
mircea_popescu: escue, you know, the portion of rescue to regexp if you're too lazy to tease out off by one errors.
asciilifeform: that very same
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: because to the malbolge programmer, "is %a in %b" implemented as what index of %b is %a at can't be safely >0'd, has to be >1'd.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829419 << here's a pro tip : the chinese own the argentine supply chain (all those "supermercados") and, to a lesser but present degree uruguayan. they have a very powerful informal banking system, for one thing, meaning that if you know one or two of the old chinese women handling their repatriation of cash needs you're in a prime position to move millions, as i can personally confirm from☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 14:53 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829350 << We don't have many chinese here other than recent arrival prospectors, but definitely going to start knocking on doors.
mircea_popescu: personal, lived experience.
mircea_popescu: it comes with other benefits, because they're well connected throughout, if you want a cop fired or a permit bit flipped ("hey, i want my restaurant to serve alcohol" / "hey, i want the restaurant downstairs to lose alcohol license so i can sleep") or whatever else they can probably help.
mircea_popescu: in short, if in latam you want to make contact with the underground chinese republic first week not 2nd year.
mircea_popescu: of course, they're only impressed by two things : a) wealth or b) a mastery of chinese culture. so you're in a bit of a weak spot wrt. but being in a weak spot dun change what the world is.
asciilifeform has yet to meet the chinese who have a millifuck re anyffing whatsoever but wealth full-bore
asciilifeform: *gave a
asciilifeform: i think they 'when i hear 'culture', i reach for my pistol' more or less to a man
mircea_popescu: not fwis.
mircea_popescu: but of course, their idea of culture has nohing to see with what the wykeham professor of cocksucking might've told obama rice or condolezza hussein or whatever.
mircea_popescu: i'll give you a simple example, by way of illumination.
mircea_popescu: often, [one of] their intakes (ie, like this place) will be a large chinese restaurant. in this busy, cheap place most people come to eat. some people who come to eat also notice the elderly gentleman sitting quietly in the back somewhere at a table, usually by himself, having tea if anything.
mircea_popescu: some of these people might even observe he's still there later that day, and early or late the next day, and so on. so they might politely approach, and state their business, "respectable old man, chow dicks sent me from fuk-u province, i must so and so". and the old man will politely tell you to come back so and so later and so on.
mircea_popescu: this is what fucking culture is, finding uses for things. what are you going to do with an old man ?
mircea_popescu: can't let him own the place, like fucktarded whitey. it's no good. can't throw him out on the street. wut do ?
mircea_popescu: gatekeeper, keeps everyone happy. and in this sort of excellence of employment, the benefit of multi-millenary civilisation shows.
mircea_popescu: they resolved problems the yahoos in our colonies daren't even touch yet.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829421 < http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-17#832023 / http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 14:54 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-24#1829343 << El Kiki or another? Everyone here has a mochila
a111: Logged on 2014-09-17 04:25 mthreat: mircea_popescu: see this yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY
mircea_popescu: and similarily, i use my own whores to recruit young'uns ; but the chinese use their mothers. because what can you possibly do with an old woman ? what's she for in this world, if she isn't lubing up the teens and showing them how to fold their legs, a la http://trilema.com/2015/carnita/ ?
mircea_popescu: what, she's gonna http://archive.is/JHLA3#selection-199.49-199.83 ? that's neither fucking useful not in any sense interesting, another http://trilema.com/2014/leonard-cohen-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/#selection-55.19-55.45
mircea_popescu: vying for male attention "on her own terms", which happen to be so counter-productive she's more pitiful than an old dog sleeping on a fresh grave.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sometimes goes to place exactly like-that, complete with old man
asciilifeform: but given as asciilifeform dun speak cn , never got anywhere
mircea_popescu: yes well.
asciilifeform prolly doomed to learn cn at some point
mircea_popescu: the problem is significantly compounded by the fact absolutely nobody wants to fuck the ugly dyspepsia victims they spawn. those are women ?! in what bugworld.
asciilifeform: it so happens that i dun dislike'em
mircea_popescu: well then you're doomed.
mircea_popescu: russkis, you know, the only reason they still exist anymore than poland today is that they're the only white people that can find anything attractive in the balls-of-lank.
asciilifeform: 'when will you take me relax'(cn postdoc chix to a young asciilifeform)
mircea_popescu: roflmao.
mircea_popescu: the engrish is so fucking flavour-specific, too.
asciilifeform: verily
mircea_popescu: anyway, they prolly lub you, seems to be alf traits muchly valued in "'when i hear 'culture', i reach for my pistol" china.
asciilifeform: can even make a sort of conversation with these, once succeed in snapping'em out of that human ant mode where the most interesting thing in the universe is the petrol station where 2cents cheaper etc
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be so harsh.
mircea_popescu: tell them "i am a lord of this republic thingee, looking for a female chinese slave", see what they say.
asciilifeform: fwiw ru emigres (esp of the elderly sort) often stuck in exact same mode
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829452 << ty for the insight☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 17:01 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829419 << here's a pro tip : the chinese own the argentine supply chain (all those "supermercados") and, to a lesser but present degree uruguayan. they have a very powerful informal banking system, for one thing, meaning that if you know one or two of the old chinese women handling their repatriation of cash needs you're in a prime position to move millions, as i can personally confirm from
BingoBoingo: Imma have to find where the Chinese that aren't recent arrival WTC suit guys are hiding
BingoBoingo: But its official. I now have the keys.
BingoBoingo: Next stop the tramite de luz
mircea_popescu: nice going!
mod6: hey cool, BingoBoingo !
ben_vulpes: aaaawesome
diana_coman: wow, congrats BingoBoingo !
BingoBoingo: I was told the way to do that tramite is over the telephone in the dead of night to experience less hold music
lobbes: hey congrats BingoBoingo! Nothing like being able to shit in solitude on-demand, I tell you what
mircea_popescu: well, until he gets to the point where he has a girl to lick him clean because tp's too rough, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: there's something to be said for shitting in company!
lobbes: well sure. but now he's got the options covered!
mod6: Rim-Jobs: Now, On-Demand and with Enthusiasm
mircea_popescu: live toiletry kit!
mircea_popescu: lobbes btw, any chance you implement a !Qsearch to go to duck duck go ?
mircea_popescu: like ye olde ;;google worked but really, no reason to have google still involved in any web process (in fact, i very much recommend iptable-blocking all their ip ranges, because whether you know or not, 80% or so of websites out there tattle back to usg.alphabet, via "google analytics" or w/e else)
lobbes: I think I could. Problem here is that lobbesbot has two search commands as it is (!Qs for searching #eulora logs, and !Qsarchive for searching archive). Would need to dis-ambiguate
lobbes: I guess !Qduck
lobbes also needs to figure out iptables on rockchip. thing was complaining about missing modules earlier; won't start
mircea_popescu: sure, !Qddg
lobbes: works
lobbes: now I feel like a true lord, my tmsr todo list has like 30 items lol. Forcing me into better organize myself though
lobbes: I need one of these whiteboards everyone talks about
lobbes: text files don't jump out at you every day in the same manner
diana_coman: get a kid - that one jumps at you even more!!
diana_coman set up The Incredible Machine dos-version even for said child and he's totally hooked
mircea_popescu: i recall that thing\
lobbes: oh god. I can't imagine digging through eulora source code while simultaneously dealing with kid interfacing at x irregular intervals
lobbes: I used to think I wanted kids, but really, I'm starting to see the 'pyramid scheme' angle talked about in the logs
diana_coman: ah, no, work time is work time, can't really mix them
diana_coman: programming doesn't go well with interruptions or at least not for me
lobbes: makes sense. I was going to say, diana_coman must have shiva-arms extending from brain
diana_coman is actually quite poor at multitasking
diana_coman: lobbes, the part that is not obvious when you see only random kids is that they learn what *you* show them; so if you make it clear work time and get them busy at that time etc there's no problem really
lobbes: I can see it. It is true my only exposure in my life to kids thus far has been the unrestrained wildebeasts of the US-variety.
lobbes: *wildebeest
BingoBoingo: How many times will I be on hold befor this phone tramite ends
asciilifeform: in other publish-or-perish : ...i'ma prolly burn in hell for this, but ida shits out wincrapola line endings and so for now these 'pre-print' screenshits will have to do :
asciilifeform: (1) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_ro_sig.png (2) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_hitler_enforcer.png (3) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_hitler_enforcement_businessend.png (4) http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/ida/cr50_fritz_pinned_pubs.png
asciilifeform: going in order: (1) is the sig header tested by the boot maskrom ( contents not known, but can be guessed at, it has 1 hard-wired pubkey ). this we will call cr50 hitler key #0 . it cannot be changed by fw updater.
asciilifeform: (2) is the ro (sorta misnomer, it is upgradeable) rsa checker routine, it is very loosely based on the ancient published one seen in https://github.com/coreboot/chrome-ec/blob/b9f5a3d6baae84950f5ff0c4f7c588e55944818a/chip/g/loader/launch.c , but with a few twists
asciilifeform: one of them is that it pins (forces the payload pubkeys to be one of the 2 given), the two options are seen in (4)
asciilifeform: (3) is the actual routine that forces keyid to be one of the 2 , we will call'em hitler key #1 and #2 , the latter is http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2F5EC26698365939D499561F385A39A4217604DEB38913D71AFD135B28009DAF , the former i have not converted yet (along with #0 ).
asciilifeform: the routine linked earlier to mircea_popescu , prolly dun help us much, to activate it one must somehow corrupt the entire rom
asciilifeform: ( or rather, flip at least 1 bit in each half of it)
asciilifeform: seen in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/c101pa/c101pa_unlock_nodice.txt , 'RO keyid: 0xaa66150f(prod)' corresponds to keyid of #0, and 'RW keyid: 0xde88588d(prod)' is #2 ; #1 is '0xb93d6539' and not seen in the sysinfo msg, but does show up in early vers of fw (e.g. https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/400418 ) and prolly is dedicated nsakey
asciilifeform: ^ phf , mircea_popescu , other interested folx ^
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz / folx innocent of ida : the procedure names in the screenshits, are naturally asciilifeform's , they are not present in the bin )
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience/ << Trilema - How to remove USG.Alphabet (usually called "google" by the jews & pantsuit) from your web experience.
asciilifeform: fwiw i've confirmed that #1 is ~not~ any of the privkeys published at various times in their shithub.
asciilifeform: ('dev keys')
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829496 << congrats BingoBoingo !☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 19:52 BingoBoingo: But its official. I now have the keys.
BingoBoingo: Should have power between 9 and 18 tomorrow
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829504 << iirc even the meanest hotel in BingoBoingostan, has bidet☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 20:10 mircea_popescu: well, until he gets to the point where he has a girl to lick him clean because tp's too rough, at any rate.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829520 << imho it is a troo gem for the ages☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 20:19 diana_coman set up The Incredible Machine dos-version even for said child and he's totally hooked
asciilifeform actually played the whole thing, incl the expansion pack, fughet what it was called
asciilifeform: btw typo, 'also_keyid' etc is incorrect name, really it is a ptr to the modulus
asciilifeform: but this is 'obvious to alert reader'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: but , tldr -- phf was of course right , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829126 was 'too good to be true'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-23 20:39 phf: "beware of dog"? seems unlikely though..
asciilifeform: !Qddg 0xb93d6539
asciilifeform: hmm i guess dunwork quite yet
asciilifeform: in related lulz, the google dev shithub etc do mention that they use a usb 'fob' for signing. which suggested that maybe infineon-lulz
asciilifeform: !#s infineon
a111: 31 results for "infineon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=infineon
asciilifeform: ... but asciilifeform ran the litmus on'em, and no dice
asciilifeform: so prolly not infineon, in their 'fob'.
asciilifeform: if anyone finds out what is in that thing, plox to write in !!
asciilifeform: from preliminary dig, seems that there are at least 6 'people' with access to the hitler signer box.
asciilifeform bbl,meat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing better than the short fp available to identify that #1 ?
asciilifeform: whole key is in (4), i'ma throw it in phuctor later this wk
mircea_popescu: good.
asciilifeform: ( their keyid aint even fp, they're arbitrary crapola )
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/vQJn5#selection-30541.468-30541.481 ftr
asciilifeform: yea i found buncha these
asciilifeform: all ~same thing
mircea_popescu: well so then it is published ?
asciilifeform: only the fp
mircea_popescu: you mean, cuz it's only in old src ?
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: the whole pub is afaik only in the bin
asciilifeform: ( does not occur in their sores repo whole )
asciilifeform: brb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: initially i thought it was possibly one of their 'dev keys', where the privs were at various points checked into their shithub ( since 'deleted' but unsurprisingly still visible with a small spot of work )
asciilifeform: i'ma stuff these too into phuctor for good measure.
asciilifeform: ( whoknows, could, in asteroid's chance, have shared factor with a live one )
asciilifeform: if it wasn't clear from the turdolade earlier, i'll note for the record : their published 'loader' is not ~entirely~ unrelated to the live one; it is, i suspect, prototype, from the fpga days
asciilifeform: since then it was tightened down and send to become the maskrom.
asciilifeform: *sent
asciilifeform: if it happens that the crown j00lz end up within reach of mircea_popescu's black bags, the top prize, ftr, is key #0
asciilifeform: the leakage of its priv would be ~= thermonuke demolition of the whole edifice, they'd have to bake new mask roms
asciilifeform: the runner-up prizes are #1 and #2, leakage of ~these~ would allow liberation of the existing cr50's, but the boojum of 'box in airport luggage can get reflashed via usb by enemy troops' would remain just as nao
asciilifeform: #0 is analogous to e.g. crapple's master key for ipnoje.
asciilifeform: #1 and #2 correspond to e.g. microshit's subkeys, the kind issued to driver vendors
asciilifeform: the contents of the maskrom per se may or may not be valuable (it may contain an unofficial backdoor of whatever sort, or may not)
mircea_popescu: i see.
BingoBoingo: The chromebook appliance thing just keeps getting weirder
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually pretty boring thus far. seems to be exactly what asciilifeform expected.
BingoBoingo: I mean the part where a fob exists that isn't infineon