a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 20:22 asciilifeform: as for atmospheric conditions, station has no way of knowing them
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 20:29 asciilifeform: ( i wouldn't put it past'em to 'technical glitch' and turn off bbc for a few min. to get you to up your wattage, say )
mircea_popescu: ok, still measurable. have a km of cable coiled in between plastic foils, buried superficially, there's your mega array.
mircea_popescu: you're just trying to answer basic q "sunspot y/n mega storm y/n"
BingoBoingo: In other noise from the orclands, ACLU and Taylor Swift are now fighting over pop music lyrics. In the evaluating who has more lawyer bucks stage atm.
hanbot: BingoBoingo what lyrics might those be, 'we shall overcum'?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 23:16 mircea_popescu: and most of the weight of the 30kg generator that needs a fuckming crane to move comfortably is the fucking engine, which guess what, i already have.
mircea_popescu: has fan. also, with the modern items... oil temp sits put at optimal throughout. well overcooled.
mircea_popescu: coolant is over boiling point as it is. pressurized systems.
mircea_popescu: (nansen was a grandiosely misfortunate norwegian that eminently didn't get to the north pole TWICE, nearly died each time)
mircea_popescu: (entirely possible the ro commies read the book and never heard of nansen, but anyway)
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> charge tesla by running mercedes so the hipsters can hipster << lol
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 13:39 asciilifeform: 'As physicists, radioastronomers, and electronics engineers, we were all struck by the possibility of doing independent broadcasts, if nothing else because that was our profession. My colleagues took part in broadcasts in Warsaw and other cities. Rooftop transmitters had low range. And they were easy for the security services to locate. We had to think of something else. Our colleague Andrzej Jeśmanowicz, son of the noted Toruń mat
mod6: Mr. Popescu, Lords, and General Assembly: Today, I'd like to take a moment to observe and congratulate The Most Serene Republic on it's Third Independence Day!
☟︎☟︎ BingoBoingo: <hanbot> BingoBoingo what lyrics might those be, 'we shall overcum'? << Nah shit like "Look what you made me do" and the word "Rise", which apparently blond white folks aren't allowed to use
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> stationary gens have quite large radiator. << That internal resistance is a bitch
BingoBoingo: "Taylor's lyrics in "Look What You Made Me Do" seem to play to the same subtle, quiet white support of a racial hierarchy. Many on the alt-right see the song as part of a "re-awakening," in line with Trump's rise. At one point in the accompanying music video, Taylor lords over an army of models from a podium, akin to what Hitler had in Nazi Germany. The similarities are uncanny and unsettling."
BingoBoingo: And the motivation: ""Taylor's political silence appeared to be a rejection of her peers' support of the inclusive Democrat platform," Herning wrote. "Taylor's silence is not innocent, it is calculated. And if that is not true, she needs to state her beliefs out loud for the world... in America 2017, silence in the face of injustice means support for the oppressor.""
BingoBoingo: With the Harveywood scandal, pantsuit can't afford to not have all the entertainers in line.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahahaha what the fuck, anyone even supports the "inclusive" pantsuit aggenda ?
a111: Logged on 2015-09-02 00:34 mircea_popescu: (in kbr's case, it's not that they're stupid, it's that they were raped. the classic "we provide indemnity so now you may not not break the law as we tell you to" trick. "key is in your pocket" in legal parlance)
BingoBoingo: Srsly, thankfully she likes making money more than being friends with the rest of the Brittneychain
mircea_popescu: which i expect is by now pretty butthurt out of sheer hunger.
BingoBoingo: In other lols, NYC just damned themselves to another DeBlasio term
deedbot: cruciform voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Well, he failed at knowing to register when it was suggested to him
a111: Logged on 2015-09-23 03:26 mircea_popescu: ie Paul Sztorc ?
BingoBoingo: One of the great shames is that now, when I plan on leaving th coop, the pretty girls seem to finally be sobering up
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 03:37 mod6: Mr. Popescu, Lords, and General Assembly: Today, I'd like to take a moment to observe and congratulate The Most Serene Republic on it's Third Independence Day!
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 03:37 mod6: Mr. Popescu, Lords, and General Assembly: Today, I'd like to take a moment to observe and congratulate The Most Serene Republic on it's Third Independence Day!
mircea_popescu: build vacupack units, keep them fed with biomaterial (plastic, schmucks), dump the results at sea. a 100tdw ship should be able to carry 1mn of the shitheads at a time.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: sea dumping in plastic wrapping ensures they dissolve over time, sort-of like a slow release pill for the ocean.
shinohai: Should I assemble a ship and crew?
shinohai: One could produce the plastic from corn, reducing costs perhaps and ensuring biodegradability.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform plastic dun pop. hence your coca cola bottle.
mircea_popescu: there's more tolerance built into the pack you know, than into the skin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't want to feed the fishes too much at a time.
mircea_popescu: and a coupla kgs of plastic WAY cheaper than 10kg chain + 50kg brick
mircea_popescu: redditard already buried more than his ass is worth in resources.
mircea_popescu: this method allows perfectly dehumanizing death, safe transportation, slow release, it's the proper continuation of lime pit.
mircea_popescu: can even have hello kitty or kek flag or whatever the fuck warhol can paint the dreamers require.
mircea_popescu: well what, you're not taking them on a fucking cruise. coupla hundred knots offshore.
mircea_popescu: will replenish the cod off cape cod something fantastic, too!
shinohai: As long as producing plastic from corn, perhaps biodiesel also
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not these. see, they only pop in 6 to 36 months when they're well outgassed.
mircea_popescu: this might well be a problem. will require some research.
mircea_popescu: might well work yeah. stick in knee automatically at time of packaging.
shinohai: Post on reddit "Free cruise on the S.S. TMSR! For details go to #trilema on freenode!"
shinohai: (Though doesn't have to be Single-Screw steamship)
BingoBoingo: Now is floating bag *really* a problem? Or a warning
mircea_popescu: "i wouldn't live on a place where reddit bags aren't visible from shore"
mircea_popescu: "my great-grandfather was clipper on a redditard disposition ship, beotch!!11"
BingoBoingo: Anyways, to make up for outgassing without floating, you'd just have to sink the bags deeper... if you really wanted to
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway. let it be plainly stated that current idiot's expectation they'll be shot is about as ridiculous as 1940s jews'. who the fuck can be bothered.
mircea_popescu: yes, depth pressure will keep the plastic from popping ; but not from floating.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's an ecological consideration. cheaper than burning etc.
shinohai: iirc Muslims prescribed lashing body buried at sea between two wooden planks, so that it might float ashore and be buried by fellow Muslim facing Mecca.
mircea_popescu: the killing itself is a minor part of the problem. coupla cents budgeted at most.
mircea_popescu: the majority of the expense goes to making the corpse "Safe", sterilizing it.
mircea_popescu: something the "planning experts" germans never throught of.
mircea_popescu: the problem with a dead idiot is that it converts upon dying from a large piece of excrement into a large piece of actual excrement.
mircea_popescu: biodisel would be winner if we were intelligent celenterates or gasteropodes. for mammals not so hot.
mircea_popescu: back in ro i used ash fertilizer, it was de-boned prior to packing.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, bone meal's this thing used sparingly for tomatoes to prevent blossom end rot. Specialty stuff for picky plants. Otherwise it's just more salt.
mircea_popescu: the correct move is to take the dreamers from the section of earth inhabited (land) to the section of land uninhabited (sea) with a minimum of dirt and contamination produced.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "cheap mains current". it's expensive universally.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, the per-kg energetic cost of incineration is > 1MJ. this means 100 tons cost you over 100 GJ, or in fuel terms about a ton of gasoline. you can't be spending 1% by mass ffs.
mircea_popescu: because why, thermodynamics is your friend and suddenly corpse isn't ~= water soaked aerogel ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 2260 * 50 = 113000
mircea_popescu: meanwhile! container ship burns ~200 tons per day doing 25 knots. this means it covers 200 knots (go and return) out of 150 tons or so.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you omit adding the heat to WARM water to vaporization ?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 4360 * 80 * 50 = 17440000
mircea_popescu: conceivable, yes. but much more distant. gotta load and then unload, move on land, meh.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 14:48 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo depth just increases buoyancy.
mircea_popescu: the deeper a mol of gas is, the greater the buoyant force experienced by the flexible container holding it.
mircea_popescu: the reason deep things seem to raise "slowly" is because friction, which increases faster than the buoyancy force does.
davout: the gas gets compressed, therefore moves less water, therefore less buoyant
mircea_popescu: yes, but do teh math! doesn't get compressed ~enough~.
davout: 1L of air gets to .5L at 10m depth, experiences mucho less force pushing it up
mircea_popescu: davout it's a log. you are looking at the wrong side of this.
mircea_popescu: from 5km to 10km, loses 13% of volume, gains 2x force.
davout: but upward force decreases as depth increases
davout: its not linear obviously
davout: which is why most baro-traumatisms occur between 10m-0m when scuba diving
davout: yeah, just saying "depth increases buoyancy" is not correct
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 14:47 BingoBoingo: Anyways, to make up for outgassing without floating, you'd just have to sink the bags deeper... if you really wanted to
davout: yeah, marginal gains of depth do decrease
davout: naive question, but why no burning?
davout: wouldn't it self-sustain after a while?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 4360 * 63.4 + 2260 = 278684
mircea_popescu: the cost of ~mere vaporization~ of the ~mere water~ in the "water soaked aerogel" composing a shithead is ~280kJ PER KILOGRAM.
mircea_popescu: this disregards any losses due to the aerogel part, which insulates, and also any further losses from "boiling is not enough", as well as passive loss of heat into your apparatus etc.
mircea_popescu: thereby a lowball estimate of "heat to dispose of one" is probably in excess of 30MJ per capita, as opposed to the 1MJ originally estimated above.
davout: and how much energy does the burning generate once water is gone?
mircea_popescu: there;s a reason all bodies rot and no bodies catch fire.
mircea_popescu: cheap way to evaluate this is dietary calories (the conversion is based on ... heat capacity of water again). so basically 1 calorie is 4.2j and the caloric value of untrimmed carcass MAYBE 1 cal/gram. thereby... 100kgs = 420kj.
mircea_popescu: (protein is ~4, sweets ~7, alcohol~9... so if you take a serious alcohol-only meal prior maybe reach the .5mj)
mircea_popescu notices he had protein and sweets switched around. aaanyways
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall when post-war commies did the whole "you gotta take so and so people into "your" house because it's ours and we house people there" ? what gnashing of teeth, what anger it caused ?
mircea_popescu: well, what, shall i produce an ad hoc history lesson ?
mircea_popescu: you really think there exista another romanian scholar ?
mircea_popescu: romania had a great king, carol 1st. he was a scion of carol of hohenzollern and maria murat. romania also had three shitty kings : ferdinand, carol 2 and mihai, in decreasing order of shittytude -- the first one was like a librarian, inept but disciplined. these come off leopold and some portuguese infanta. MUCH worse material.
mircea_popescu: the switch happened because the original carol didn't have children. which happened because "marriage", dumbest fucking shit ever. but we digress.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd carol was very much a redditard. he quit to pursue his whoring interests, leaving the congenitally retarded mihai "on the throne". this is through and through power vacuum. eventually he returned, and tried to be a sort of local mussolini, tho it didn't so much catch.
mircea_popescu: romania got meanwhile engaged on the eastern front by general antonescu, who was literally as he describes himself, a military man being sucked into a power vacuum and trying to do best could be done.
mircea_popescu: entirely ineptly led german war effort, very poorly supplied, resulted in an untenable military situation at the don's bend : romanian forces were out of ammunition, out of fuel, out of anything. the russians counterattacked the two sections held by romanians, and killed a quarter million people.
mircea_popescu: the reason specifically they did that had nothing to do with hating the romanians or thinking they suck (which they didn't, on the contrary, germans even had german troops under romanian command) was that general sanatescu gave out the whole order of battle + everything else to the russians.
mircea_popescu: as a result, the victorious revolutionaries found themselves in '45 in a dubious situation : they had absolutely no political legitimacy. outside of mihai, who was mentally incompetent then as now, but whose two aunts were very willing to sell out ; and sanatescu, who didn't think much of them (for cause), they had ~no one in bucharest.
mircea_popescu: so they cut a deal with mihai (an amusing episode in itself, mihai was very much krammer in that negotiation episode, "we offer free lifetime cappucinos and,,," "ILL TAKE IT!!!1", and made a govt with sanatescu.
mircea_popescu: from there on they forged an alliance with petru groza, a sorta-maybe left (less so than today's xtian democrats for instance) with some popular appeal, pretended to have won the election on ~43% of the vote, then leaned on individual ministers to play along, then scoured the prisons for credible ministalins. picked gheorghe gheorghiu dej and that was mostly it, they withdrew.
mircea_popescu: this is ~the whole story of soviet colonization of romania.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the russian secular view of romania is a sort of balanced chechenia-japan mix.
mircea_popescu: "fucking scary batshing insane barbarians of tiny size and austrian palaces. NIGGA WHAT?>!>!>!!!?"
mircea_popescu: not altogether an un-understandable or for that matter incorrect view. moreover, owing to romania's incredible literary sterility as manifested as a long term sustained inability to meaningfully write themselves...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im trying to condense together a period starting in 1850.
mircea_popescu: including you know, the "pls halp" telegram, the turning of that war, the strange situation of ww1, the taking of odessa and march on rome, it's a complicated century.
mircea_popescu: this is nonsense, romania was culturally powerful before the us was discovered, in numerous instantiations.
mircea_popescu: i don't care dimitrie cantemir's writings were "under flag of moldavia" or "Wallachia" or "greater kekistan"
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem isn't creators, that romania has. the problem is romania itself, as dumbly impermeable as fresh clay.
mircea_popescu: there's two prongs that drive to "i understand empire france by reading balzac" : 1. that balzac writes and 2. that the whole fucking world buys his foilletons.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very much so, yes, and especially of this worst agraristan of all, "we're still wearing same clothes as roman colonists 2000 years ago and really speak the same language and fuck you"
mircea_popescu: but trilema is many things, and among them a very pointed exercise in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: i deliberately took to employing a classical renaissance procedure, of re-writing. that i rewrote a bunch of classical works and the whole set of "Specialists" did not find themselves under a life-or-death obligation to drop everything they were doing and pick up this is one thing
mircea_popescu: but i, and on multiple occasions, rewrote the work of LIVING AUTHORS. with their knowledge, that never amounted to more than a piddly comment on the trilema article in question.
mircea_popescu: think of this for a moment -- you, joe schmoe, write something. and someone comes and changes it. and you... HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem of 2, and it is as deep as it gets. mentally isolated, solitary lonely lost dorks.
mircea_popescu: can't meaningfully interact with a dog, let alone their wife, let alone you know, chtulhu from the depths of the abyss.
mircea_popescu: on one of the trips, i had slut stop car on side of river while i took pics. fresh mud, inexperienced offroad driver, car got mudded.
mircea_popescu: the wheel turned as well as ever ... but the car... it didn't move.
mircea_popescu: very "conservative" and "tolerant" people, they call themselves. it's true, but the problem is the mud fits this definition.
mircea_popescu: this is some of the dumbest shit i ever heard. why not have women ?
mircea_popescu: i am (i guess?) proud to say that ro pron party included womenz to my knowledge. wtf is the point without, they jack off on the zacusci ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, wouldn't usually be room fulla chicks, unless in some narrow cases. generally the way this works is usualyl 2, rarely 1 if the men are poor or 3 if the men are showoffs, whores and however many men can stand each other, usually 8 +- 3
trinque remembers a time from his youth when drunk, chick puts on porn in group mixed company, figures hey, we're gonna fuck, proceeds as such.
mircea_popescu: they drink, watch porn, gangbang. it's a "fishing trip"
trinque: it was times like these I realized what a sad place I lived in
trinque: nah bunch of liberal cunts "omg what? no!"
trinque: wasn't my place; kicked myself out with one of their bottles
trinque: ben_vulpes has commented on this cognitive dissonance among the feminist cunts in portland. will go to the stripclub to signal lack of patriarchy something something, but find prostitution abhorrent
mircea_popescu: tell them it doesn't count untill they kiss the dancer's slit.
mircea_popescu: one of the better lulz re this happened at c3, in ba. bucnha us at a large table at this dinner-and-tango places, someone brought along some blondy german chick, i dun recal who
mircea_popescu: and she wanted a drink and the waiter came over to ask me and i said sure and she was all "why is he asking you ?"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 16:50 trinque: then two women at table wail "oh he didn't shake our hands"
mircea_popescu: i can't recall now if this was the same chich some elements in the { ben_vulpes , davout } set might've fucked at some later point.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 16:51 mircea_popescu: the (very indian) chef of great local place actually came out of kitchen to see these two people who were eating all the stuff i rodered ; but couldn't summon the courage to more than bow from a distance and scurry off.
mircea_popescu: apparently he goes through the caudine forks to supply his kitchen with proper stuffs.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 16:05 asciilifeform: in other lulz, amazon co nao offering... i shit thee not, 'Not at home? Not a problem. As a Prime member, you can get packages securely delivered into your home without being there. Plus, grant access to the people you trust, like your family, friends, dog walker, or house cleaner—no more leaving a key under the mat.' << 'cloud'-controlled door lock.
davout: you're not missing much tbh
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 01:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'fram, ursul polar' -- the ancient ЗИЛ-like fridge in 'museum of communist konsoomer' is a 'fram'
mod6: davout: thx for posting
jhvh1: asciilifeform: I have not seen mthreat.
mod6: ben_vulpes: aha, yeah, i think that's correct
a111: 2017-04-01 <mthreat> ya the -800 is pretty new right
jhvh1: trinque: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7650.89, vol: 15621.46032284 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7730.0, vol: 56197.5670289 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7655.1, vol: 4215.77288223 | Volume-weighted last average: 7709.59388188
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7753.42, vol: 16000.49915005 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7788.8, vol: 57699.4896064 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7729.5, vol: 4246.09943359 | Volume-weighted last average: 7778.30696083
a111: 2017-09-11 <mike_c> congrats! I did that a long time ago too. Good luck with it.
a111: 2017-10-06 <Framedragger> yes but someone committing to the project without having the necessary time is not far away from malice, imho
trinque: graph of folks that didn't get the news over time
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 17:42 asciilifeform: what's the logic, gotta wonder, 'maybe they'll reconsider surrendering' ?
davout: people buying them do so in order to be able to withdraw from platforms immediately without waiting for the contract expiration on nov. 16th
davout: therefore, nonzero value
trinque: sold mine to that btcbuilder bag holder for a huge haircut
davout: will converge to perceived risk pricing of leaving buttcoin on a platform until contract expiration
davout: goxcoin procedures still ongoing i hear
shinohai: Is this good for buttplugcoin?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 17:20 asciilifeform: 'Such an order by a US court is exceptional, Carroll says. “In general, our federal courts do not have the power to issue orders against people or entities that were not part of the lawsuit.” But he adds that US federal rules for civil procedures such as this do sometimes allow injunctions against persons who are in ‘active participation’ with an enjoined party. The current lawsuit is an example of that, he says.'
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 17:33 ben_vulpes: mthreat's chica i believa
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 17:42 asciilifeform: what's the logic, gotta wonder, 'maybe they'll reconsider surrendering' ?
ben_vulpes: the german, who is under discussion, came with mthreat
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 18:19 shinohai:
https://radkink.com/ <<< Some retarded feminists are giving away sex toys "because men orgasm more than women" or something
mircea_popescu: this is like "free hubcaps!!!". if i can buy a car i don't need anyone's hubcaps wtf.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7241.03, vol: 22876.12064007 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7164.3, vol: 88327.80680416 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7204.6, vol: 5417.66588459 | Volume-weighted last average: 7181.22325251
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 7241 * 11000 = 79651000
mircea_popescu: (also published physicist of same name -- i suspect the father)
mircea_popescu: exactly like the silicon valley variant in all points.
shinohai likes how they bother with cloudflare, yet leak true ip due to mis-configured mail server
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i find amusing the, eg, "suv" toyota recently waxed and parked in mud in front of a cheap brick wall. evidently, "vehemently opulent pork sausages".
mircea_popescu: shinohai sadly, nobody does any schooling with the independent minded young'uns.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, eulora player complains about game generated name. "it sounds like a pornstar!"
shinohai: Googling `lushdrizzle` returns mostly lemon caek results, no pornstars.
mircea_popescu: i would propose this is because pornstars lack imagination not because the name lacks suggestiveness.
shinohai: I got pretty lucky with my generated Eulora name, was happy with it.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 20:43 mircea_popescu: the name in question being, baldwin lushdrizzle.
lobbes: note to n00bs out there: even if you had set your key to NOT expire, remember to *self-sign* both your pub AND your sub (and make sure people have copies of this updated pubkey))
lobbes: thanks to trinque to his patience with me while I figured all that out the hard way
lobbes: all good now, but I had set my primary pub to not expire I think a year ago. But of course, I neglected to push this updated key to either keyservers or to, for example, deedbot
lobbes: and yeah, I overlooked that I apparently had to also remove expiration on the sub -explicitly- (via gpg --edit-key). Even though it was showing the sub as 'expiration: none' after I had removed expiration on the pub way back when
☟︎☟︎ davout: what's wrong with long fps again?
davout: pull by full key then!11 genius!
trinque: deedbot doesn't use keyservers no, so it didn't know he updated his key
davout: asciilifeform: yeah, or use sane hash
mircea_popescu: at no point was this discussion about key identifiers. the fact that gpg reports "no expiration" FALSELY, as it reports all sorts of false or otherwise stupid, misleading etc non-facts is at issue
mircea_popescu: koch-gpg is an unreliable apparatus in the vein of random-shooting pistols etc.
davout: asciilifeform: i'm not speaking about gpg as its currently-existing braindamaged implementation of a shaky protocol
davout: point is, if done properly fingerprints, when done properly, are a +ev proposition
davout: ok, not same one then, plox to link
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 22:24 asciilifeform: likewise we had the fingerprint thread
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 05:27 asciilifeform: the only sane 'fingerprint' is the entire modulus+exponent.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 14:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the more i think about it the more i'm convinced the ONLY "fingerprint" for rsa key may be... the modulus. 4096 bits and fuck you, if you can't take 32 chars you don't belong here.
davout: 512 bytes, will be 1024 chars
davout: + exponent as asciilifeform points out, which iirc is to be 'large' as well
davout: i do get the points about hashes being voodoo black boxes, but otoh 2048 hex chars is hardly practical
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 05:28 asciilifeform: anything else puts a megatonne of weight on one single hash, a titanic reward for finding one single solitary collision, hashes (which are voodoo, in all variants, see friday's thread) are not built to withstand this kind of pressure.
davout: "my cunthash256 is abcd", what's wrong with that
trinque: what's this practicality argument? the paste is longer?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 05:28 asciilifeform: anything else puts a megatonne of weight on one single hash, a titanic reward for finding one single solitary collision, hashes (which are voodoo, in all variants, see friday's thread) are not built to withstand this kind of pressure.
davout: spotting small differences in a 2048 blurb subjectively sounds impractical to me
davout: how do you picture a key exchange, from a practical pov?
lobbes: asciilifeform> afaik we dun use 'key servers' for anything no moar << at least for this exercise, I was using it for quick verification of what my exported pub looked liek imported on something that was not on my local machine.
lobbes: But otherwise, even I can agree: no real use for key servers as-a-thing. And, as I've found out, expiration-as-a-thing idem
ben_vulpes: and then send a few messages to your counterparty and get confirmation that they decrypt, and ask for the same
trinque: I yet await the tale of the man who used the expiration field to his benefit.
ben_vulpes: even the mail! gotta keep the lizards on their toes.
ben_vulpes: and if it's not important enough to push a valid key through the cracks of the sybil wall, i guess it wasn't actually important enough.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no need to include the exponent. if ppl don't know what exponent to use for a certain modulus, let them find out.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unless the fucking fp can fit in irc, we're stuck building gossipd before using this "Actual thing"
mircea_popescu: what happens if FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4 is longer than a chat line ?
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously we would use deflation, say baseblabla to fix this up to a point.
mircea_popescu: but if you come up with the idea that "you know what, alf can have whatever kilometric hash and in my deedbot implementation ima use the first 100 chars and that's that" im not gonna bitch.
mircea_popescu: which reduces to "there ARE practical limits to labels for things ; and they are unrelated to the sizes of the things, i expect the WORD for ant, dick, car and aeroplane to all fit the ~5.6 characters rule as universally enforced in alphabet"
trinque: right, I could as well use nick for that, since it's a non-colliding namespace for those
mircea_popescu: sure. but more generally, the names of things respect the rules of grammar, not the rules of mechanics.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 21:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no need to include the exponent. if ppl don't know what exponent to use for a certain modulus, let them find out.
mircea_popescu: this complete identification may not include automatically the irc name, or the exponent, or the user's dog's picture
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, there's no doubt as to which key is in discussion.
mircea_popescu: but a third party asked for N knows WHAT key is being discussed. which is the point of labeling keys.
mircea_popescu: make an effort and distinguish betwen the thing and the thing's name.
mircea_popescu: yes, koch fps are ineptly chosen names. yes there's value in having a biunivocal name-item relation by default.
mircea_popescu: NO, this doesn't explode to where everey possible PROPERTY of the item is now also going to be detailed in the name.
mircea_popescu: whether e is or is not part of pubkey was not at any point discussed by anyone other than yourself ;
mircea_popescu: much like whether fps are or are not useful wasn't discussed by anyone but yourself. the original problem was that gpg unreliably reported "key doesn't expire" to lobbes , when in fact it did expire.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 22:01 mircea_popescu: modulus completely identifies a key.
mircea_popescu: there can be no doubt as to which key is being referenced if the reference consists of modulus.
mircea_popescu: that this reference is not functional, which is to say does not substitute for the thing it references, is a trivially true and entirely spurious observation.
mircea_popescu: so trinque gets a notification that hey, you got the wrong ITEM stored under reference X.
hanbot: mircea_popescu> i am (i guess?) proud to say that ro pron party included womenz to my knowledge. wtf is the point without, they jack off on the zacusci ? << issat a typo or is a jacuzzi fulla zacusca a thing?!
mircea_popescu: this isn't something to be bruteforced through protocol. people can keep cabbage in pots labeled sugar all they want.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we are currentrly using arbitrarily breakable fp.
mircea_popescu: if the above read, like ben_vulpes 's paste, five letters in base64, we'd be none the poorer.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-21 14:33 mircea_popescu can buy used cars. CARS. because i bought and own hundreds. i can't buy fucking used boats, and i doubt you can (or would, or do for that matter) buy used cars.
mircea_popescu: but somehow commerce hasn't come at astandstill by the fact that you can call a folded sheet of paper as well as a 100`000 ton transport item "boat"
trinque: asciilifeform: what'd change in deedbot's key repository if somebody collided your key fp ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're evidently buying, seeing how, let's do it the third time...
trinque: I'll go change to to encode the FP as repititions of the string "cocks" to signify
mircea_popescu was rather toying with the idea of standarizing ben_vulpes 's identifier thing across teh republic.
mircea_popescu: the fact that we're still using a what was it, 400 char line protocol has some bearing on what we call things.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure i want gossipd lines to be longer than irc.
trinque: all deedbot is offering up is an identifier within its own namespace for the - yes - full key
mircea_popescu: imo it's a schelling point found at considerable expense and of significant value
mircea_popescu: i had nfi you object to names as a matter of principle.
mircea_popescu: how do you even put up with "asciilifeform" in the first place ? shouldn't it be stanisalvborninodessaandflownbyparentsacrossseaatcostofsellingitemsfromhouseandalsodoesntlikewashingtondcandhasagirlandahouseblablabla ?
mircea_popescu: well, at first it was about lobbes warning people not to rely on the "control dials" as provided by koch-gpg, for being unreliable ; then you wanted to talk about fps and then at some point and without warning anyone apparently pivoted to talking about pubkeys and signatures.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 14:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the more i think about it the more i'm convinced the ONLY "fingerprint" for rsa key may be... the modulus. 4096 bits and fuck you, if you can't take 32 chars you don't belong here.
mircea_popescu: as i said, making the modulus be the name has its advantages.
mircea_popescu: but this dun include es, pictures, nicks, other comments. it includes N.
mircea_popescu: in any case. there's no requirement that you be able to use the word "car" to go shopping in it ; and similarily there's no requirement that you be able to use a key's fingerprint to sign, or check signatures with it. the intention of the fingerprint is to permit you to reference a specific key unambiguously to a third party, such as when asking for it.
mircea_popescu: well, and having "asciilifeform" or "17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7" is having no portion of the pubkey.
mircea_popescu: that's unrelated to this conversation. N is not a hash, it's the modulus.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
mircea_popescu: what's this "genuine e". rsa is based on p,q,N not on e's.
mircea_popescu: trinque well yes but the illiterate approach (which is what this is) rapidly devolves into orcdom.
mircea_popescu: whoever wants to decrypt will either know it or not decrypt.
davout: sounds to me as the same fundamental problem re hashes
trinque: everyone present knows what constitutes a full pubkey
trinque: topic was what to use to reference one, if any
trinque: what happens to the interactions with deedbot if a collision occurs?
trinque: pretty sure all that was at question was convention for naming keys
trinque: yep. and so the thing will never do so. anytime someone lets his key expire I've grunted through the item with pgpdump
mircea_popescu has made "varza calita" however you call it, cabbage carmelized with bacon, with CAYENNE paprika. holy shit this is a good idea, had to come to new world to discover.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, n without e is not a complete pubkey, hence the e,N,comment standard. nevertheless, N is a sufficient index of the e,N,comment line that properly constitutes a pubkey.
mircea_popescu: and the fact that BOTH e and comment are arbitrary is not concerning.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 22:39 asciilifeform: incidentally , if trinque at any point imports the collision-key, it will overwrite the old, silently
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a compromised key by definition, two people have the pq
mircea_popescu: now to the saddest part of this all, whereby N being 512 bytes long, we can't actually fit them in irc lines.
mircea_popescu: i suppose necessarily we'll reference them by eg bpaste ids, thereby going right back to the hash.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of wisdom we ended up baking into teh whole paste thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 13:31 asciilifeform: thing is, there is NO sane (i.e. o(1)) way to index without demanding unique global txid.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how is it implemented btw ? not something directly breakable like "hash the microtime, put through base64 and truncate" is it ?
davout: "how dja generate key paste URL?" "just SHA1 the key" :D
davout: breakable in what sense?
mircea_popescu: in the sense that third party can predict (by eliminating some as impossible) future urls in whatever manner.
mircea_popescu: ie "today is the 5th so all paste urls will sum to 05ff" or "this item is long therefore the paste will have more caps than small letters" etc
davout: it's not immediately clear to me what this would enable
mircea_popescu: davout not much ; asciilifeform well we don't yet have fg-capable isps.
mircea_popescu: and the problem is also general, nobody can apply our correct solutions.
davout: BYO entropy, can't possibly hurt
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 00:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seed is a combo of site-produced TRNG entropy and player-set (with defaults if playher doesn't feel like setting). you can change your portion at any time.
mircea_popescu: in other utter lulz : "La foule est son domaine, comme l'air est celui de l'oiseau, comme l'eau celui du poisson. Sa passion et sa profession, c'est d'épouser la foule. Pour le parfait flâneur, pour l'observateur passionné, c'est une immense jouissance que d'élire domicile dans le nombre, dans l'ondoyant, dans le mouvement, dans le fugitif et l'infini. Être hors de chez soi, et pourtant se sentir partout chez soi ; v
mircea_popescu: oir le monde, être au centre du monde et rester caché au monde, tels sont quelques-uns des moindres plaisirs de ces esprits indépendants, passionnés, impartiaux, que la langue ne peut que maladroitement définir. L'observateur est un prince qui jouit partout de son incognito."
mircea_popescu: who invented the redditard ? charles baudelaire described it cca 1863.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: feeding the self the impression of being in the center of the world while at the same time remaining invisible to the world.
mircea_popescu: this is what "anonimity" is hoped to provide to the online tard of 2010s.
mircea_popescu: before opium caught on there was a brain there upon which opium will have caught on later on.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 17:10 mircea_popescu: stopping smoking doesn't reduce cancer, because the sort of shameful shitsacks that GET cancer will get it, whether from smoking or not. if not from smoking -- they'll find a different stressor.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 23:32 mircea_popescu: who invented the redditard ? charles baudelaire described it cca 1863.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 19:15 asciilifeform: one of the interesting recurring motifs in dalrymple (british dude who worked for decades as prison doctor) re addicts is that they are not 'could be just anybody'
a111: Logged on 2017-06-01 18:03 asciilifeform: if you make a ~two~-diode reader, you can make it ignore 'unstraight' (from its pov) bars. and this opens you up to a method :
mircea_popescu: his greatest pleasure is to burn down some thing in this way.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: several java-"random" selections from a list of characters
ben_vulpes: the thing predates my membership in thumbsdownforclojureclub
ben_vulpes: compiler for the former is at least useful, goes beyond 'meh adequate'
ben_vulpes: resisting the temptation to shit up the logs with clojure hate over here
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I thought that was 2013-2014's logs. Just link some classics.