mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you know i coincidentally had just that tab open ?
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 16:38 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923088 << the circular situation of gnat , where 'need gnat to build gnat', is the third reason for the mips approach -- arch with 100 fixed-length instructions, simplify the eventual rewriting of backend so can ditch gcc dep.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 16:42 asciilifeform: e.g. old man naggum -- evidently moar 'alive' nao than when alive..
phf: mp_en_viaje: ack, plan works
girlattorney: so, tried with many attempts to restart TRB and hoping it could fully sync. No fucking way. And at every shutdown (with ctrl - c) always a painful writing process of at least 50 gb, taking 30 minutes or so
girlattorney: It's almost like TRB telling me: you're too poor to spend your time trying running me, do something different in your time
girlattorney: and even if i was stuck a dozen of blocks behind the general block height, the connection with the other peers was still present, just producing garbage in debug.log
girlattorney: yes, still don't be able to catch the latest blocks
girlattorney: and the amount of writes that TRB does with or without swap is insane
girlattorney: bdb sits the index on disk, that's ok, but i got the impression that to archive 1MB it needs to write like 1GB
girlattorney: i'm very near to setup my blog to post screenshot and other stuff about the setup
girlattorney: just like the one that i posted repeated till half MB
girlattorney: i think that the large number of writes could be a problem in the long term
girlattorney: another question that i think belong here. Tried to read the logs but haven't found enough clarity. When Bitcoin should scale the blocksize?
girlattorney: and is there a consensus about how much it should be raised?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, can has link to your original lohatronarticle ?
girlattorney: From the article i read "In any case, a word to the wise : if you are designing ASIC chips, and you are not including the possibility of feeding a bitfield like this in blocks, you are deliberately ensuring failure not just for yourself, but for your customers as well. This change WILL eventually come in, start planning accordingly, today. ["
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, anyone recall the 1918 narkomprod trying to "organise the peasants" into an orange revolution, only to discover that, contrary to marxism-leninism, poor peasants do not actually hate rich peasants ; not to mention have exactly the same interests.
BingoBoingo: girlattorney: You aren't missing much. The protocol isn't changing any time soon for reasons largely explained by handicaps inflicted by Mandarin language's tendency to try insulating against the future.
girlattorney: First of all, do you really expect millionaire businesses such as bitmain or bitfury to support a fork that instantly invalidates many millions of already-in-production ASICs?
mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, nobody asked them anything ; not in 2013, not in 2016, not now and not for the foreseeavble future.
girlattorney: Also, what's the problem in the nodes not being rewarded from being just nodes? If I want to run a serious business I'll need a node, otherwise i can stick with a third party wallet such as primedice or deedbot
BingoBoingo: At present its too easy for Bezos customers to spin up things that superficially act almost like nodes.
BingoBoingo: "To the network, PseudoNode behaves the same way as a full node by relaying transactions, blocks, addresses, etc. However, unlike a normal full node, PseudoNode does not verify data (txs & blocks) itself. Rather, PseudoNode relies on neighboring peers (with configurable confidence levels) to do the verification on PseudoNode's behalf. As a result, PseudoNode is very lightweight."
girlattorney: but let's say the following: you get a core (prb) node, you set a minrelaytxfee very high, so you don't propagate at all, just include what new blocks have because you have to (to stay up to date)
girlattorney: you still are on a core node, but even if you aren't completely ignoring segwit shit, you aren't touching it directly
BingoBoingo: Also recent NSAware nodes insist on encrypted tunneling to connect to other nodes
BingoBoingo: Nevermind the things nodes pass to other nodes are not the seekrit things
girlattorney: BingoBoingo can you rephrase about tunneling? Do you mean they use ssl to connect?
BingoBoingo: girlattorney: It's been a while since I looked into it, but I believe if the version string on a peer is greater than X, they insist on SSL'ing
girlattorney: asciilifeform i know that it's centralized. A couple of CA that runs the game
a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 11:19 mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, your notion of identity is not adequate for the situation you're dealing with.
girlattorney: i was asking about where a TRB node fetch the blocks, if all of the TRB nodes are only interconnected with themselves
BingoBoingo: Playing with the version string on a TRB node is the fastest and simplest way to change the sorts of peers your node encounters in the wild
girlattorney: but i could argue with this: when i do bootstrap a core node, it actually get fed from other core nodes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I notice when I drop the version number down enough I'll get a wider number of version strings in my peerslist
girlattorney: so i can effectively say that i'm receiving blocks from other nodes, they aren't just connecting and stay silent. They are sending me blocks.
BingoBoingo: <girlattorney> but i could argue with this: when i do bootstrap a core node, it actually get fed from other core nodes << During initial sync trb wants to receive blocks in order while core will intentionally spray blocks out of order
a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 12:52 asciilifeform: trb, unlike prb, does not accept blocks 'on credit' (i.e. ones for whom the antecedent block is not yet on the disk)
girlattorney: asciilifeform i'm aware of the fast sync part. Just saying that when i sync a node i actually get data from other prb nodes. I'm not getting garbage or errors, and I think (not being technically able unfortunately) that you could modify prb to verify all the blocks, and eventually discard the excess if I reecived them in sprayed order
girlattorney: asciilifeform that's nice to hear, so it has been kept simple for the sake of security, correct?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 18:16 asciilifeform: more interestingly, there was even 1 of 10/30/18 17:05:41 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED from peer 213.148.193.153
girlattorney: could be written on trb a feature that enable / disable mempool?
girlattorney: as already told: i appreciate that TRB exist even if i still not able to using it. However reading logs when syncing has been a pain and i thought that mempool during syncing could create just overhead
girlattorney: if you have no wot, and you are on your own, and you rely on the goodwill of the republican nodes, currently you wait 28 nodes
girlattorney: asciilifeform fair point and i hope in similar uptimes.
girlattorney: asciilifeform, about the blocksize once again: is there a real need on increasing over 1MB? since every "consensus" then create political debate with one horseman speaking for many, wouldn't be on the safe side just stay conservative till fees don't skyrocket permanently?
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform does the mp-wp install on a shared account with pizarro work with multiple authors?
mp_en_viaje: well, i;m writing, but that notwithstanding, the answer's generally gonna be "read some stuff"
girlattorney: i have enough material to read for a couple of days
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: It appears to work with multiple authors.
girlattorney: asciilifeform will try tomorrow to troubleshoot on the other channel
diana_coman: cool stuff, thank you BingoBoingo ; I'll give this a bit more thought to figure out if blog is best or enough but in principle it seems I'll have to park young new hands somewhere public so they can do their homework and atm I'm considering a shared account on Pizarro - would this be ok with Pizarro or do you see some problem with it/would rather not?
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, you mean in preference of using your chan ?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I don't see where it would cause a problem.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: no, not in preference; but so they write there their "I plan this; I did this; here's what is wrong and what is fine"
diana_coman: basically the non-discussion but reporting thing
diana_coman: since otherwise they go on github "blog" or whatevers, what sense is there
BingoBoingo: mp-wp has a user management feature. As long as they are interacting with the shared account through mp-wp they shouldn't be setting up irc bouncers to draw aggro by evangelizing Pantsuited tonterias
diana_coman: basically if they aren't yet old enough to have their blog fine, they can share the classroom blog, what
diana_coman: cool, I'll mull it over a few more days and I'll get back to you
mp_en_viaje: im pretty sure you can use mp-wo that way, yes.
diana_coman: I knew I did it before but on standard wp and I hadn't looked at mp-wp
BingoBoingo: ^ In what the power rangers are up to (Living in terror of the XY Pink Ranger, Vivir in Mierda(TM)(R))
BingoBoingo: Yes an no. Yes Framedragger, no chix... XY thing
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, do you happen to recall the discussion re psychoactives, where i was like "whatever, trying to optimize your kernel by hitting cpyu with large hammer"
a111: Logged on 2017-04-11 00:14 mircea_popescu: cocaine is the eminent example. it FEELS like it does things to you. it does not therefore HELP.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's valid. a) erdos doesn't get his guidance from youtube ; b) most people taking it will scrub.
mp_en_viaje: i think it was a 2015-2016 era item, possibly involving g_l either personally or in being
mp_en_viaje: anyways. in other news ima be having brunch with phf tomorrow, if anyone wants me to hit him in the head for any reason let me know, i hear he's partly incapacitated anyway so it's the right time.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 19:02 gabriel_laddel: gtfo or do more drugs
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> how does make 'sex scandal' with faux chix..? << Faux chicks create drama over the attention they aren't getting
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is in the linked, archived piece
BingoBoingo: Unless the subject looks like Buck Angel, the man with a pussy or transmayogender... safe assumption is trans means pseudochick
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, sure, can. but can doesn't scale to will, and you ALWAYS know the difference.
mp_en_viaje: eg, i can'd my own brain earlier, by taking a sulpha rather than having a cold.
mp_en_viaje: hurr durr, but this very much isn't equal to "ima lick all toads and see what happens"
mp_en_viaje: because when can, you already know in advance what happens.
a111: Logged on 2013-11-13 14:22 asciilifeform: finally i notice she's wearing latex gloves.
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, apparently there does exist a neuroleptic that promotes weight loss rather than gain (molindone). had nfi.