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BingoBoingo: In other news, people are bitching all scandalized about plywood selling for what it sells for. Turn out they've been looking at 2'x2' and 2'x4' sheets instead of full sheets.
BingoBoingo: ""Hurr durr sell $6 plywood for $30" Fuck you
BingoBoingo: Drop your pants because this is $30 plywood and you're going to be happy about it or it'll be happy in you
mod6: you'd think, that people would have plywood saved up from last time they had to batten down the hatches
BingoBoingo: Seriously though, I am in the midwest. Here the shit they should be putting on windows is closer to $40 and up for a full sheet
BingoBoingo: In other lolz: "In CharityWatch’s view, the Kars4Kids ads deceive potential donors by failing to inform them that donated cars will benefit a Jewish organization and kids of Jewish faith. Furthermore, the youth programs Kars4Kids supports promote an Orthodox Jewish lifestyle, which CharityWatch believes compounds the deception perpetrated by the Kars4Kids ads. Oorah, Kars4Kids’ “sister charity,” is the organization that actually
BingoBoingo: runs the “educational, developmental, and recreational programs for Jewish youth and their families” described in Kars4Kids’ mission statement."
mircea_popescu: oh, wait, pantsuit has sole and absolute monopoly on deceiving ?
mircea_popescu: afaik it's a-ok "in chartiywatch's view" to ask for money to "help women" and then spend it on inflating idiot's egos instead.
mircea_popescu: at least via the kars4kids thing SOME ACTUAL KIDS are getting something.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to the usual black chix code bs, which is never about any black chicks getting anything but reamed.
BingoBoingo: Oh do they. I though chairty watch just told you every so called charity was a scam and too keep all your jools4you
BingoBoingo: All broadcast media in the United States carries fucking Kars4Kids ads. They don't get that kind of budget without being the Jewish children of Pantsuits club
BingoBoingo: It's a scam that buys radio airtime, and just spams the shit out of their shitty jingles.
BingoBoingo: The jingle consists of "phone number, repeat phone number , repeat phone number , Donate your car today"
mircea_popescu: so they take old cars and ship them to whatever, lebanon ?
BingoBoingo: Or scrap them for cash. Donor gets $600 tax deduction even if the car has negative scrap value
BingoBoingo: It's why the jews and not Al Sharpton do it
mircea_popescu: (everyone got ~5k credit if replaced old car. as a result ro car plant sold 1mn units of the 5k euro dacia things. NEW CARS!)
BingoBoingo: Bahamas and pantsuit try this with battery cars, but too broke for credit to equal price, or even bring price to normal car price
BingoBoingo: In US donating car is sucker's move. For it to make sense one loses car ownership game of hot potato while having income such that itemizing deductions makes sense
mircea_popescu: it's funny you can actually diagnose pantsuit rot in a society by how universal the "you know, for kids" nonsense is.
mircea_popescu: answer falls on a scale between "fuck you and your stupid ugly fucking urchins" in sane societies to "omg it must be right then!" in batshit insane societies
phf: this is a btcbase.org psa: if you add ?nick=yournick to the end of a message listing url you're going to get highlight for messages from yournick and messages that have yournick in their text. handy for when you want to see recent messages related to yourself
☟︎ phf: the feature has been there for a while.. i really should document all the different flags that you can pass to message listing
shinohai: neat phf ... yeah a complete list would be handy
phf: i need to figure out how to persist it better. for example i think that the flags should be passed on through <- and -> page changes. or perhaps you should be able to store them in cookie
☟︎ mod6: <+phf> the feature has been there for a while.. i really should document all the different flags that you can pass to message listing << aha. this would be great as I know the thing does a lot of things, i can just never remember what they are :]
mod6: "Please do not remove this many files, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!111"
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: Well now I use mod6's privkeytools vpatch :D
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711748 << this is a kernel level limit on number of arguments you can pass through argv (documented in e.g. man execve). i think recent linux kernels actually have this work somewhat dynamically.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 15:56 asciilifeform: -bash: /bin/rm: Argument list too long
phf: there was a naggum rant on the subject, that he recompiles his kernels to make that variable as large as possible, because the behavior is stupid
phf: (i think the rant was in emacs group, because it's not in xach's collection)
phf: well, yes, unix. but my point since it wasn't obvious that it's not rm specific. it's a deep, inherent stupid
phf: heh, plan9 lists this in "bugs" section.
phf: There is a large but finite limit on the size of an argment
phf: list, typically around 409,600 bytes. The kernel constant
phf: TSTKSIZ controls this.
phf: but there's also CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT so this particular failure point is not limited to unix..
phf: hyperspec mandates it to be no less than 50, which basically means you can't rely on #'apply working on unbound lists in a portable way
mod6: <+asciilifeform> it also doesn't dump WHOLE keypool << what is meant here? you want to see every private key dumped?
mod6: oh. that'd be useful huh. basically just pass in "" or "all" and it'll dump every priv key and its associated pub key?
☟︎☟︎ mod6: undump? like import a swath of privkeys ?
mod6: i'll have to look at that.
mod6: this is good feedback, i appreciate it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i.e. complete disasm of wallet.dat << it also holds txns
mircea_popescu: it's basically a bdb dump of keys and txn, first part (but not 2nd) aesencrypted.
mircea_popescu: would actually be iunteresting, as a phuctor sort of thing. "here's the mempool pile"
mircea_popescu: there are many proprietary shits, but they "publish" summaries in the vein of us scientism, "summaries" and coloring book pdfs.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of "i've been around for 8 years and i imagine this means something notwithstanding i got nothing for show for it", hey kanzure are ye busy reading the logs and reforming yourself into republican shape, or are ye back on the old bandwagon of idiocy, sucking from the same old bottle of stupid ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 13:10 phf: this is a btcbase.org psa: if you add ?nick=yournick to the end of a message listing url you're going to get highlight for messages from yournick and messages that have yournick in their text. handy for when you want to see recent messages related to yourself
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 13:13 phf: i need to figure out how to persist it better. for example i think that the flags should be passed on through <- and -> page changes. or perhaps you should be able to store them in cookie
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711757 << you don't understand : the deprecated lib is part of th ewallet, because the mike hearn / power ranger imbeciles "updated" the db scheme of prb in order to INCLUDE a new db dependency, and one made by google, but DID NOT remove the old one.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 18:07 asciilifeform: ( not a single one of the boxes i have here now, will eat the 'deprecated' bdb lib for python, that the thing insists on )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 18:09 asciilifeform: so what do folx with coldwallets use ? their teeth and a pair of wires ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 18:12 asciilifeform: it also doesn't dump WHOLE keypool
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 18:42 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711748 << this is a kernel level limit on number of arguments you can pass through argv (documented in e.g. man execve). i think recent linux kernels actually have this work somewhat dynamically.
mircea_popescu: i guess THE LINUX WAY, inherited from the c way, inherited from new jersey is to go rm -rf a*.txt and so following.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 18:12 asciilifeform: it also doesn't dump WHOLE keypool
mircea_popescu: alternatively iirc xargs takes a param count limit, you keep re-running it
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 19:26 mod6: oh. that'd be useful huh. basically just pass in "" or "all" and it'll dump every priv key and its associated pub key?
mircea_popescu: i do not want results of computation to be dependent on parameters supplied at tiem fo computation. let me do cat all | grep what i want, not fucking bullshit cat all -flag -otherflag nonsense.
☟︎ spyked: mircea_popescu took the words right from my mouth. find . -name '*.txt' | xargs rm is IMHO elegant enough (decomposes into stream of files and repeated removal). then again, find is another beast on its own
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this latter is the java way, and it should die with fucking java
mircea_popescu: spyked it's not elegant except in the sense that in the "dara ea-i mai mare muta, muci-i marg, din gura-i pute" world a washed face seems stylish and classy.
spyked: eh. shell is by definition glue/tape macgyver. and "shell" is just a convenient extension of "unix", the same way 3 is a "conveniently chosen approximation" for pi.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 19:43 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711757 << you don't understand : the deprecated lib is part of th ewallet, because the mike hearn / power ranger imbeciles "updated" the db scheme of prb in order to INCLUDE a new db dependency, and one made by google, but DID NOT remove the old one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was explaining why pywallet has the dependency.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 19:45 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711759 << folks generally do not use the "wallet" abstraction/idiocy anymore than they use the "accounts" idiocy baked in. 1 address per wallet sorta deal.
mircea_popescu: golden standard is 1. take ye olde wallet.dat ; 2. dump all txn in it ; 3. dump all addresses involved in them ; 4. get privkeys for all addresses in that list (most of which fail).
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 19:26 mod6: oh. that'd be useful huh. basically just pass in "" or "all" and it'll dump every priv key and its associated pub key?
mircea_popescu: (which is what happens when people-other-than-mp say what to9 be done!!!)
mircea_popescu: as it is, now he's going to hack together an undesigned, ad-hoc "sane human-readable form", which is nogood.jpg and also how you get dedicated, good folk in trouble.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 19:50 spyked: mircea_popescu took the words right from my mouth. find . -name '*.txt' | xargs rm is IMHO elegant enough (decomposes into stream of files and repeated removal). then again, find is another beast on its own
mod6: i'll hold off, but this is a good discussion of design goals.
phf: the fact that you have to do this demonstrates a dozen of unix retardations. correct method could just be rm `find .|grep txt`, but this fails in a number of interesting ways
phf: note that plan9/rc tried actually making the last command work, rm `{du|awk '{print $1}'|grep txt} almost works as expected out of the box. (note the somewhat questionable decision to "replace" find with du, but then you have to awk out first column..)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're not discussing whether it shopuld be written in latin characters here!
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 19:50 mircea_popescu: i do not want results of computation to be dependent on parameters supplied at tiem fo computation. let me do cat all | grep what i want, not fucking bullshit cat all -flag -otherflag nonsense.
phf: asciilifeform: my point is what spyked wrote is not even complete in his own terms
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stop an think of what i'm saying rather than just chasing your strand!
mircea_popescu: * should be implicit ; and it can't not be implicit in working world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because * as a semantic notation is part of a class that goes a*.txt too.
spyked: asciilifeform yeah, but "rm -rf *" doesn't mean "all files reachable in this path". it means "expand * to arbitrarily long sausage, then pass result as args to rm".
mircea_popescu: because there's no latin character named *. it's an utfism.
mircea_popescu: thgat's the fucking point. | is wel lformed. * is malformed.
mircea_popescu: we're discussing how things should be or how they are ?
phf: well, why not: tar cvfz foo.tar.gz `tree bar/baz|grep .txt` ?
trinque: how does that enter into how to properly represent the thought
mircea_popescu: trinque it is a valid point of how to make a proper kbd tho.
trinque: mircea_popescu: it is, just thread leapt from meaning of * to omg my keyboard?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in other news, slavegirl marches in with her-made mango lassi, complete with marasquino cherry etc.
phf: shaping a file list is not necessarily simple op, but i'm not sure if ascii's response is even meant to make sense..
mircea_popescu: phf possibly. in any case, the issue is the "DWIM" symbols in thought, let alone language.
mircea_popescu: people gotta get used to the whole alphabet schtick already, "POSSIBLE LESS, DO MORE!"
phf: (the old, not "modern") emacs approach was that you provide non-ambiguous, predictable building block operations that ~specific operator~ can build dwim tools out of. but those dwim tools shouldn't really leave your own toolbox
mircea_popescu: importing ambiguity into computer lang is ~as stupid as trying to orthogonalize natural lang.
mircea_popescu: that's why the fuck cs is in math dept in the first place ; as opposed to fucking literary criticism
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 20:14 trinque: mircea_popescu: it is, just thread leapt from meaning of * to omg my keyboard?
mircea_popescu: the problem of "proxy for thoughalphabet" is that there's no such thing.
☟︎ trinque: well, as phf said sanity would be that you have orthogonal ops, write own macros for whatever you do 500 times a day, and can call it 8==D for all anyone cares
trinque: in the present circumstance to have glob expansion in shell rather than in each command, gotta pass the individual files as args to the command.
trinque: or each command has its own expansion built in.
mircea_popescu: you shouldn't HAVE glob at all. you should have "on this directory" ; not as a LIST of files but as "this directory".
mircea_popescu: because that is why the fucking fs even exists in the first place, to create "list of items same ops run on"
mircea_popescu: which is why * is broken, because it connotes globbing, and globbing is stupid bullshit, "transform this thing i said into this other thing i meant"
mircea_popescu: how about you fucking learn to think in actual thoughts as opposed to badly mangled "proxies" for thoughts!
mircea_popescu: there IS such a thing as a thought primitive ; and there is such a thing as pseudo-"thought process" to be discounted out of hand for failing to correctly employ the required thought primitives and nothing else.
trinque curious why rm does not read a stream of "things upon which to rm" rather than taking as args
mircea_popescu: but this is no reason to fucking continue in the same vein god have mercy on us.
spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711948 <-- from which came my "conveniently chosen" remark. convenience starting from e.g. mov eax, ebx vs. mov %ebx, %eax (because this notation looked more "intuitive"/"DWIM" than the other to someone at some particular time in history, so now we have both, but they're incompatible to each other so fuck it)
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 21:13 mircea_popescu: the problem of "proxy for thoughalphabet" is that there's no such thing.
mircea_popescu: spyked yes, the problem of idiots being permited next to the machinery and as a result of their gefingerpoken poppencorken is an old one.
mircea_popescu: 100% of "sociology" dept crap at the hooke school i went to, was underlined in multicolors. fully underlined.
mircea_popescu: and the stupid whores would buy a DIFFERENT color magic marker. so it'd be yellow, then blue, then red then pink then orange. that's hjow you'd know five cocksuckers read through that copy of saussure, and the last one was orange because she stops midway
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a blessing women have legs, otherwise there'd be multicolored snail trails on all sidewalks.
mircea_popescu: was very much "oh, teh sociology" thing back in the 90s at that uni. because yes, the mommy whores went there.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 21:26 mircea_popescu: and the stupid whores would buy a DIFFERENT color magic marker. so it'd be yellow, then blue, then red then pink then orange. that's hjow you'd know five cocksuckers read through that copy of saussure, and the last one was orange because she stops midway
mircea_popescu: just roll up the god damned book, lube up and shove it.
mircea_popescu: and this stupid shit works because somehow people are too fucking lazy to live anymore.
phf: i unrelated lulz i googled "putin judo" through an ssh proxy with u.s. ip and the top article is "Is Vladimir Putin a judo fraud? - The Washington Post"
phf: "No, says Benjamin Wittes, the editor of the national security blog Lawfare.
phf: Wittes, who happens to be a martial arts aficionado himself, has chided Putin as a âfraudâ and a âphonyâ and is trying to call his bluff by challenging the Russian strongman to a fight in any location where Putin lacks the authority to have him arrested.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 19:30 asciilifeform: ( there was an item written by -- that very same -- znort987 ; but it dun work worth a shit )
mircea_popescu: pantsuits really luv these, so much so they're more than willing to pretend it's the only point and only manifestation of an intellectual life, this sort of "provocative monkeying".
mircea_popescu: and i don't just mean scientific, or imagological baiting. pantsuit.comedy ie "speak truth to power" is supposed to be all about an insufficient monkey goading the closest thing to a lion that could be found. i dunno why they're so fascinated with the pointless nonsense (aside the obvious anal children reference, ofcouars)
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 21:41 asciilifeform: upstack : is it obvious to everyone why the %eax is retarded ? ( same reason $foo in basic/perl/other braindamaged langs is)
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