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mircea_popescu: awww/
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-leak/ << Trilema - The leak...
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/80808/ << Trilema - This is Trilema post #80808 and I'm running out of passible titles.
ave1: !Q later tell trinque, my comment seems to be stuck in transit; http://trinque.org/2018/07/06/cuntoo-bootstrapper-preview/#comment-23
ave1: !Q later tell trinque, my comment seems to be stuck in transit; http://trinque.org/2018/07/06/cuntoo-bootstrapper-preview/#comment-23 ☟︎
lobbesbot: ave1: The operation succeeded.
ave1: !Q later tell phf, I found the raw logs here http://btcbase.org/log-raw/, this go back to 2016. Do you also have the raw logs before #trilema? and could I download these somewhere (I tried to search the log but, so far seems to be looking for a pin in a haystack)
lobbesbot: ave1: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/spanish-guardia-civil-shuts-down-outlaw-environmentalist-turtle-breeding-operation/ << Qntra - Spanish Guardia Civil Shuts Down Outlaw Environmentalist Turtle Breeding Operation
mod6: mornin'
BingoBoingo: Mornin'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking of your puzzler: if you want always optimal path, it afaik reduces to A* search. actually quite similar to pcb routing. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ikr.
asciilifeform: the odds/evens aspect gives it a 'nim' flavour , so there might be a seekrit optimization..
mircea_popescu: if you recall ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/the-miracles-that-matter/ (especially in the light of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759562 style arguments), it should be obvious this is a sort of private mp worship ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:25 mircea_popescu: there's an imbecile's view of "intelligent design" being floated about (mostly by people who are looking for a strawman, and reconstructed by them for this purpose). here's the correct version :
mircea_popescu: "how the fuck is it that i can restate alf's fg problems in terms of a mmorpg ?" and so on.
asciilifeform: ( to draw it as a graph, lay out only moves that 'conserve mass' )
mircea_popescu: as the perdurant reader no doubt noticed, i'm a great restationist.
asciilifeform: hey arithmetic worx on apples and bricks alike
mircea_popescu: ikr!
mircea_popescu: this, incidentallty, being the only metaphysics question worth asking
mircea_popescu: none of the usual bullshit, "why something rather than nothing" "what is god" bla bla bla.
asciilifeform: 'the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics'(tm)
mircea_popescu: no. WHY arithmetics works on bricks and apples alike ?
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking reason "directly available". not all sets gotta be the same kinds of sets.
asciilifeform: ( https://archive.is/OPdaD << the old piece of that title, for anyone who cares )
Mocky: mircea_popescu, i just added a comment to puzzler blog post but seems cut off mid way
Mocky: oh prolly my use of angle brackts for arrows ->
mircea_popescu: do not do that.
Mocky: we need more angle brackts
mircea_popescu: html see ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, repost your whole thing and ima delete the abortive attempt
asciilifeform: pretty sure i stepped on this mine at least once
asciilifeform: inbandism!111
mircea_popescu: what can you do, provide pre-structured comment fields ?
phf: asciilifeform: beat me to it, re puzzler as graph traversal
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 5 hours and 50 minutes ago: <ave1> found the raw logs here http://btcbase.org/log-raw/, this go back to 2016. Do you also have the raw logs before #trilema? and could I download these somewhere (I tried to search the log but, so far seems to be looking for a pin in a haystack)
mircea_popescu: imo this is a fine example to teach the failure of "no inband!!!"
Mocky: ok, done. thx
mircea_popescu: phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829555 etc! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 22:10 asciilifeform: but this is 'obvious to alert reader'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: phf, mircea_popescu : i half-expected 'lol noshit, any puzzler can be written as A* search, this is copout' lol
phf: asciilifeform: well, i suppose _i_ was expected to say "oh it's just a SAT"
mircea_popescu: :[
mircea_popescu: i mean :p lel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in principle this type of inbandism is curable, with simple pill, lookahead parser -- if not ~actual~ html, comment is processed as plain text. rather than the 'oops here's a < so i'ma drift off into stratosphere' existing nonsense
mircea_popescu: mp-wp patches welcome!
asciilifeform: this item's actually on my list for if/when i live to get to wpism patches
mircea_popescu: imo current parser right thing -- it removes all non-permitted tags, which includes all non-terminated tags.
mircea_popescu: how about people learn to write proper html for once ?
mircea_popescu: support for this bs is how html soup became a thing.
asciilifeform: escapes for < and > ?
mircea_popescu: you are talking to a computer ; if you open a tag you close it ; nobody gives a shit what you ~thought~ the alphabet meant.
asciilifeform: this gets very unpleasant, very quickly, sorta why blogs with code snippets are stuck with wp plugin crapola
mircea_popescu: support for they naive is not worth having. know what talking to a computer means as part of your existing in the world, which is to say, outsider of the harem where some slave spawned you.
mircea_popescu: trilema has code snippets no plugins crapola.
asciilifeform: i'ma have to read this wonder
mircea_popescu: Mocky answered ; prepare to mindblown ?
Mocky: aha, I suspected something like this would surface
Mocky: completely unknown to me
phf: ave1: ah thank you, i forgot that i kept the two separate. the folder is not exposed, but i'll merge the two together. there's also an even older (spotty) log from apr 2012 to oct 2013, that includes pre #b-a #bitcoin-otc content, that's available through btcbase, but exists only in xchat (?) log format, that i parse
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/consumer-spy-software-left-piles-of-data-in-exposed-bucket/ << Qntra - Consumer Spy Software Left Piles Of Data In Exposed Bucket
asciilifeform: Mocky: http://trilema.com/2018/algorithmics-problem-seeking-experts/#comment-126542
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/intel-adds-anti-benchmarking-clause-to-licenses-for-microcode-updates/ << Qntra - Intel Adds "Anti Benchmarking" Clause To Licenses For Microcode Updates ☟︎
asciilifeform: lol!!
asciilifeform: whip, whip that hellespont!
mircea_popescu: heh, remember when "car manufacturers", got dekulakized by the pantsuit, resulting in some shit packaged in ye olde "mercedes" "wv" etc boxes, which then didn't work worth a shit ?
asciilifeform: the diesel thing ? aha
mircea_popescu: but remember when politburo decided shit sandwich just as good as imperialistic-bourgeois decadent cured meats ?
asciilifeform: apparently the vw people weren't quite 'smart' enuff to try an' prohibit mileage benchmark
mircea_popescu: and pravda wasn't allowed to publish benchmarks anymoar ?
asciilifeform: i can picture the intel execs, golf club in one hand and martini in other, 'why didn't we think of this before' 'hey next time let's not just prohibit benchmark, but only if answer isn't what we like' 'brilliant, this will be at next board agenda'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the car people still required to publish 'mpg' in usa. the konsoomer simply told to suck it.
asciilifeform: ( auto still elementarily includes odometer an' fuel gauge, can't exactly hide the figure )
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, picture also the morons making all the "smart" airport humiliation technology, golf club in one hand, martini in another, trying to figure out how their entire hr dept imploded over the weekend and what to do about it./
asciilifeform: ah the http://trilema.com/2018/the-leak/ people
mircea_popescu: the very same.
asciilifeform: since when is 1 chix a 'dept'
mircea_popescu: since america ended.
mircea_popescu: the ineluctable fate of dead empire, stuck pretending, is that everything's a succession of single points of failure.
asciilifeform: so they sit for a day without a secretary until hire new one
mircea_popescu: lel.
mircea_popescu: outsiders can't readily appreciate the sheer POVERTY of all these chosen sons.
asciilifeform: erry slave galley i've ever toiled on, solved this problem by... hiring secretary from the actively-imploding firm next door
asciilifeform: ( i imagine, triggering a kind of domino cascade, whoknows )
asciilifeform: they move, like electron hole in semiconductor.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Catch is if they hire the wrong secretary, they are the next firm to implode
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 99% of what 'hr' chix does , in american firm, is filling out usg.mandated crapola for new hires. not exactly reactor control.
asciilifeform: trained dolphin could prolly manage.
BingoBoingo: Well, hr chix are also responsible for making a hostile work environment by promoting 500 species of harrasments
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: typically that's at large galleys where there's 4 or 5 of'em
asciilifeform: per branch office.
BingoBoingo: Well, that's probably why the condensed their HR department to this single HR operator.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have no fucking idea.
asciilifeform: small firms get to outsource the ritual to corps of professional priests, they mail in the mandatory oaths, slide decks, etc .
BingoBoingo: I can't imagine there is a surplus of HR chix capable of working alone or in sufficiently small groups to avoid creating a culture of drama.
mircea_popescu: no, seriously. this is the live-on-boat thing all over again.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can only comment re what i saw personally.
mircea_popescu: do you realise that ~the whole item is powered out of"clerical error" ? "you put wrong x on wrong color form, now you owe six figures" ?
mircea_popescu: sold house at wrong time, added to "401k" wrong amount, bla bla bla.
mircea_popescu: most of these people ~are poor~. single clerical error in hr can destructure a firm through the simple procedure of "director" is now "inmate" as can not afford to pay tax bills ?
asciilifeform: that'd be in the cpa, not hr
mircea_popescu: there's 0 slack on one hand ; and the whole thing is powered on "mistake". ☟︎
asciilifeform: errywhere i've seen with own eyes, these were separate desks
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: what "cpa" ? hr does everything. payroll, relocation, you name it.
asciilifeform: and cpa is a contractor, and theoretically liable for 'oops, wrong form'
mircea_popescu: you are talking of a world that only exists in your own imagination.
mircea_popescu: what, who ? deloitte ? liable ? REALLY ?
mircea_popescu: or what, ernst & young ? "oh, they did it" ?
asciilifeform: on paper, lol
mircea_popescu: get out of here.
asciilifeform: in reality , obviously 'we have note from hitler, and you don't, suck it'
mircea_popescu: did http://trilema.com/2013/our-emperor-deliver-us/#selection-39.330-39.450 read "and law firm is liable for difference, which it'll pay" ?
asciilifeform: last i knew , they were paper-liable for 'coarse errors of pilotage' strictly (e.g. 'wrong form wrong time' )
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/reality-winner-gets-63-month-prison-stay-as-prize-for-poor-leaking-hygiene/ << Qntra - "Reality Winner" Gets 63 Month Prison Stay As Prize For Poor Leaking Hygiene
asciilifeform: at any rate, if mircea_popescu tells that there's a boiler room scamop where the hr chix is also the accountant and the council etc -- i'ma believe him, at this point i'm ready to believe plenty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Yraem/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it, interesting
asciilifeform: gnarly.
asciilifeform: and indeed usgulag is powered by not only printing press but confiscating savings from ~randomly-picked engineers, little-league 'ceo', etc . a la mr stack. ☟︎
asciilifeform: for that matter asciilifeform's been on receiving end of it personally.
mircea_popescu: someone's gotta pay for all the women sitting around dreaming shit up.
asciilifeform: [insert the mandatory m: 'what the fuck are you still doing there, are you a tard' a: 'i dun have useful skills for outside the fence' thread here ! ]
mircea_popescu shall bbl.
asciilifeform: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-30#737870 (tm)(r)('donald duck', 1942) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-06-30 02:26 asciilifeform: 'Iz this Nutzi land so good / Would you leave it if you could / Ja, this Nutzi land is good / Ve would leave it if we could!'
asciilifeform: i'll add, usg learned from ye olde ussr -- the latter was equally efficient at preventing plebes from accumulating escape-powering capital, but less so at preventing 'marketability' outside the barbed wire. hence the 1st wave of emigres who went into waiting arms of natostan industry, academia. but current-day usa, they patched this hole, nao you gotta have some pretty serious world-class talent ( e.g. concert pianist ), or at the ve
asciilifeform: ry least cuntlips and mp-approved figure, to get properly and truly loose.
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform is not the only 'tard' tuned in, last i knew mod6 , trinque , ben_vulpes , lobbes , also still behind the wire.
asciilifeform: i can't speak for what particularly they're manacled to, only for self, tho. ☟︎
phf: 1st of emigres to go straight into natostan * were serious world-class talent, others worked cashier jobs
asciilifeform: phf: aha
asciilifeform: i've met both, this is not a seekrit afaik
asciilifeform: there was a short transition where 'ok we'll give you professorship, but not tenured' but it was short.
asciilifeform: i suppose i oughta have included phf in the list of 'i have nfi what ~they~'re still doing in natoreich'
asciilifeform: ( iirc phf mentioned even having a working ru passport )
BingoBoingo: And we have received 5 1TB SSD's.
mod6: hey! nice!
mats: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=153504937925732&w=2
asciilifeform: mats: see lulthread http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-23#1843831 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 16:52 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/intel-adds-anti-benchmarking-clause-to-licenses-for-microcode-updates/ << Qntra - Intel Adds "Anti Benchmarking" Clause To Licenses For Microcode Updates
asciilifeform: the notion that 'intel with fixes' will have process isolation, is hilarious
asciilifeform: there's 9000+ nobus, and the ceremonial 'fix' for 3 or 4 makes no diff
asciilifeform: anybody who actually relies on process isolation on x86, of whatever kind, is 100% fucked, dun matter what kind of mind games he plays with himself or his misfortunate customers
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-23#1843778 I initially ruled out A* for lack of admissible heuristic. maybe asciilifeform can see O(1) (or even O(n) ) heuristic to estimate remaining steps in e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1525884 without ever overestimating ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 15:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking of your puzzler: if you want always optimal path, it afaik reduces to A* search. actually quite similar to pcb routing.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 14:39 mircea_popescu: i have eight sets of "sb" (solid branch) : 503 q 222 ; 1466 q 3 ; 973 q 207 ; 983 q 252 ; 1651 q 258 ; 2963 q 189 ; 563 q 22 and 336 q 225. the first number is the count, the second the quality (depends on your mining, whatever) ; you can mix these, the game will floor the average quality. this means you can lose matter through mixing, so you want to mix stacks so as to obtain the highest possible quality final.
asciilifeform: Mocky: admissible heuristic is not difficult, simply must not ~over~ estimate the cost. can simply take 'number of remaining piles , squared' or the like
asciilifeform: or maybe not, hm
Mocky: for example this pile of 4 requires 2 moves: 1x1q 100x1000q 100x1001q 1x2001q, while if you do it without the last pile: the remaining 3 require 20 steps ☟︎
Mocky: but i've been thinking on this, and I do think it's possible to come up with one that works in linear time
asciilifeform: Mocky: i still dun get why your algo requires the xor of the ~quality~'s oddness bits to be 0
asciilifeform: Mocky: you can losslessly mix e.g. Na=10,Qa=8,Nb=5,Qb=11
asciilifeform: ( possibly mircea_popescu already pointed this out , but it follows from the eqn )
asciilifeform: (80+55) = 9 * (10+5) , new quality is 9, integer
Mocky: well, i was given a somewhat different problem statement 2 months ago. more of a software requirement than problem statement actually: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-10.log.html#t18:59:23
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-06-10 18:59:23: <diana_coman> so you want to ever mix only same quantity of items and of qualities either both odd or both even so you don't lose anything
asciilifeform: this statement is true, but it overtight constraint on moves
Mocky: turns out oversimplification
asciilifeform: any move that satisfies the eqn K(Na+Nb) == NaQa + NbQb , where K is integer, is valid
asciilifeform: (i.e. lossless)
Mocky: i get it now
mircea_popescu: Mocky it's certainly possible to give maximal step count though O(n) heuristic.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, prime number count heuristics play a part.
Mocky: asciilifeform, at the time, wasn't trying to confirm correctness of problem statement, was trying to deliver useful feature as described
asciilifeform: Mocky: rright, but iirc mircea_popescu posed 'prove this algo is optimal, or if not, show the optimal' puzzler
mircea_popescu: yeah, what diana specified there was basically the already extant private item.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm sorry, but ima have to refund you. whole exercise turned into a massive pile of idiocy. im closing an entire bank out of the loop over their idiotic misbehaviour ; we'll have to try this again later on. ☟︎
Mocky: asciilifeform, sure but demonstrating overtight constraint in extant algo dun do either. nor does proposing A* without heuristic
mircea_popescu: fucking useless "banks", i swear to god by now it's the exact equivalent of "technology" from bed sitting room, guy-pedals-electricity.
mircea_popescu: mod6 what'd you prefer, !!pay or ecu ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah ok, thanks for the update. I'll get back to ya here in a bit on what's best for unwind.
mircea_popescu: sadly.
asciilifeform: Mocky: i dun have a proper heuristic yet. but must note that 'xor(qa&1, qb&1)==0' is overtight, so unlikely that earlier algo is optimal
Mocky: noted
asciilifeform: !!up diana_away
deedbot: diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_away: hey, thanks asciilifeform ! back from the Pacific here, still no ocelot
lobbesbot: diana_away: Sent 3 days, 18 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> what if we hard-forbid low ids, server side as ad interim measure ?
BingoBoingo wondering if Costa Rica does Arepas or if those never made it across the Darien Gap
diana_away: BingoBoingo: what are Arepas?
BingoBoingo: diana_away: Latino johnny cakes. A flat cornbread just thick enough to split and stuff with other Latino foods.
diana_away: hm, here they have this "tres leches" cake that kid is in love with
diana_away: food wise to be honest I kept to fish and seafood which are both good and fruit which is clearly an entire level above what one gets in europe but apparently I like it better in cocktails if anything
diana_away: I'm not much for tropical fruit apparently
BingoBoingo: Ah
diana_away: I even had a "shrimp spaguetti" with white whine and what-not - it was delicious; oh, and the fig cake - this should be on asciilifeform's list I'd say
BingoBoingo: All the expats from baseball latino lands (Colombia/Vzla) seem to love Maracuyá (passion fruit), but I find the flavor rather astringent and bitter.
diana_away: I guess I should give that one another try here too
BingoBoingo: If you come to Uruguay, avoid the shrimp pastas. Very underwhelming as a rule. ☟︎
diana_away: this clearly had more wine and shrimp than pasta so it was good :D
BingoBoingo: Most pastas here are underwhelming, but when you add shrimp they charge too much of a premium for the disappointment.
diana_away: ahahah, sounds real
BingoBoingo: This is not a very seafood oriented culture despite proximity to the sea
diana_away: I found funny here this thing with american-pretending-to-be-italian food esp salami in the supermarket
BingoBoingo: We get some of that.
BingoBoingo: In the supermarket we also get mixed English/Spanish food labeling. Like the envelope of "Arroz Primavera" which is subtitled "Rice Primavera"
diana_away: ahaha
diana_away: on the bright side I can say that I got along with my adapted italian so far
diana_away: ticos seem generally eager to figure it out anyway, so it works
BingoBoingo: Or the "Manteca de mani: Creamy" which looking closer at the label came to Uruguay from Germany via Venezuala
diana_away: lol
diana_away: mircea_popescu ping
diana_away: BingoBoingo: are people in uruguay walking on the side of the motorway too?
BingoBoingo: diana_away: More commonly IN the motorway
diana_away: improvement!!!
BingoBoingo: And the motocicletas use the sidewalks for delicate maneuvers
diana_away: they had at some point this big sign reading "more monkeys than people" so perhaps they know something about it
diana_away: oh and the great sign on the beach: "sandwishes allowed@
BingoBoingo: lol
diana_away: kid loves the monkeys but he found some very friendly "amigos" ticos rather too much
BingoBoingo: I did learn this week that the word for guinea pig in Spanish is "Cuy" so I can have fun with that asking vendors at the feria to help me pick a good one for dinner
BingoBoingo: It turns out the get the "pig" in their name because they do look like little pigs when you get the hair off of them.
BingoBoingo: The kid may be disappointed by the lack of monkeys in Uruguay
diana_away: ah, I'd always thought they looked more like fat rats
diana_away: there were some monkeys going on the wires with the tails curled on a higher wire so it was basically trolleybus monkeys
BingoBoingo: lol, like Squirrels?
diana_away: squirrels are clearly just furry rats
diana_away: although the red ones which are the only proper squirrels look less like rats
diana_away: re picking stuff, I did ask for some chicken for the child at one restaurant and what he got clearly went moo in its life but since he did not complain anyway...
BingoBoingo: I'm still calibrating when/where to have low expectations here
BingoBoingo: !!up diana_away
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