ave1: !Q later tell phf, I found the raw logs here
http://btcbase.org/log-raw/, this go back to 2016. Do you also have the raw logs before #trilema? and could I download these somewhere (I tried to search the log but, so far seems to be looking for a pin in a haystack)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:25 mircea_popescu: there's an imbecile's view of "intelligent design" being floated about (mostly by people who are looking for a strawman, and reconstructed by them for this purpose). here's the correct version :
mircea_popescu: "how the fuck is it that i can restate alf's fg problems in terms of a mmorpg ?" and so on.
mircea_popescu: as the perdurant reader no doubt noticed, i'm a great restationist.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentallty, being the only metaphysics question worth asking
mircea_popescu: none of the usual bullshit, "why something rather than nothing" "what is god" bla bla bla.
mircea_popescu: no. WHY arithmetics works on bricks and apples alike ?
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking reason "directly available". not all sets gotta be the same kinds of sets.
Mocky: mircea_popescu, i just added a comment to puzzler blog post but seems cut off mid way
Mocky: oh prolly my use of angle brackts for arrows ->
Mocky: we need more angle brackts
mircea_popescu: anyway, repost your whole thing and ima delete the abortive attempt
mircea_popescu: what can you do, provide pre-structured comment fields ?
phf: asciilifeform: beat me to it, re puzzler as graph traversal
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 5 hours and 50 minutes ago: <ave1> found the raw logs here
http://btcbase.org/log-raw/, this go back to 2016. Do you also have the raw logs before #trilema? and could I download these somewhere (I tried to search the log but, so far seems to be looking for a pin in a haystack)
mircea_popescu: imo this is a fine example to teach the failure of "no inband!!!"
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 22:10 asciilifeform: but this is 'obvious to alert reader'(tm)(r)
phf: asciilifeform: well, i suppose _i_ was expected to say "oh it's just a SAT"
mircea_popescu: imo current parser right thing -- it removes all non-permitted tags, which includes all non-terminated tags.
mircea_popescu: how about people learn to write proper html for once ?
mircea_popescu: you are talking to a computer ; if you open a tag you close it ; nobody gives a shit what you ~thought~ the alphabet meant.
mircea_popescu: support for they naive is not worth having. know what talking to a computer means as part of your existing in the world, which is to say, outsider of the harem where some slave spawned you.
Mocky: aha, I suspected something like this would surface
Mocky: completely unknown to me
phf: ave1: ah thank you, i forgot that i kept the two separate. the folder is not exposed, but i'll merge the two together. there's also an even older (spotty) log from apr 2012 to oct 2013, that includes pre #b-a #bitcoin-otc content, that's available through btcbase, but exists only in xchat (?) log format, that i parse
mircea_popescu: heh, remember when "car manufacturers", got dekulakized by the pantsuit, resulting in some shit packaged in ye olde "mercedes" "wv" etc boxes, which then didn't work worth a shit ?
mircea_popescu: but remember when politburo decided shit sandwich just as good as imperialistic-bourgeois decadent cured meats ?
mircea_popescu: and pravda wasn't allowed to publish benchmarks anymoar ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, picture also the morons making all the "smart" airport humiliation technology, golf club in one hand, martini in another, trying to figure out how their entire hr dept imploded over the weekend and what to do about it./
mircea_popescu: the ineluctable fate of dead empire, stuck pretending, is that everything's a succession of single points of failure.
mircea_popescu: outsiders can't readily appreciate the sheer POVERTY of all these chosen sons.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Catch is if they hire the wrong secretary, they are the next firm to implode
BingoBoingo: Well, hr chix are also responsible for making a hostile work environment by promoting 500 species of harrasments
BingoBoingo: Well, that's probably why the condensed their HR department to this single HR operator.
BingoBoingo: I can't imagine there is a surplus of HR chix capable of working alone or in sufficiently small groups to avoid creating a culture of drama.
mircea_popescu: no, seriously. this is the live-on-boat thing all over again.
mircea_popescu: do you realise that ~the whole item is powered out of"clerical error" ? "you put wrong x on wrong color form, now you owe six figures" ?
mircea_popescu: sold house at wrong time, added to "401k" wrong amount, bla bla bla.
mircea_popescu: most of these people ~are poor~. single clerical error in hr can destructure a firm through the simple procedure of "director" is now "inmate" as can not afford to pay tax bills ?
mircea_popescu: there's 0 slack on one hand ; and the whole thing is powered on "mistake".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: what "cpa" ? hr does everything. payroll, relocation, you name it.
mircea_popescu: you are talking of a world that only exists in your own imagination.
mircea_popescu: someone's gotta pay for all the women sitting around dreaming shit up.
a111: Logged on 2014-06-30 02:26 asciilifeform: 'Iz this Nutzi land so good / Would you leave it if you could / Ja, this Nutzi land is good / Ve would leave it if we could!'
phf: 1st of emigres to go straight into natostan * were serious world-class talent, others worked cashier jobs
a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 15:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking of your puzzler: if you want always optimal path, it afaik reduces to A* search. actually quite similar to pcb routing.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 14:39 mircea_popescu: i have eight sets of "sb" (solid branch) : 503 q 222 ; 1466 q 3 ; 973 q 207 ; 983 q 252 ; 1651 q 258 ; 2963 q 189 ; 563 q 22 and 336 q 225. the first number is the count, the second the quality (depends on your mining, whatever) ; you can mix these, the game will floor the average quality. this means you can lose matter through mixing, so you want to mix stacks so as to obtain the highest possible quality final.
Mocky: for example this pile of 4 requires 2 moves: 1x1q 100x1000q 100x1001q 1x2001q, while if you do it without the last pile: the remaining 3 require 20 steps
☟︎ Mocky: but i've been thinking on this, and I do think it's possible to come up with one that works in linear time
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-06-10 18:59:23: <diana_coman> so you want to ever mix only same quantity of items and of qualities either both odd or both even so you don't lose anything
Mocky: turns out oversimplification
mircea_popescu: Mocky it's certainly possible to give maximal step count though O(n) heuristic.
Mocky: asciilifeform, at the time, wasn't trying to confirm correctness of problem statement, was trying to deliver useful feature as described
mircea_popescu: yeah, what diana specified there was basically the already extant private item.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm sorry, but ima have to refund you. whole exercise turned into a massive pile of idiocy. im closing an entire bank out of the loop over their idiotic misbehaviour ; we'll have to try this again later on.
☟︎ Mocky: asciilifeform, sure but demonstrating overtight constraint in extant algo dun do either. nor does proposing A* without heuristic
mircea_popescu: fucking useless "banks", i swear to god by now it's the exact equivalent of "technology" from bed sitting room, guy-pedals-electricity.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah ok, thanks for the update. I'll get back to ya here in a bit on what's best for unwind.
deedbot: diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
diana_away: hey, thanks asciilifeform ! back from the Pacific here, still no ocelot
lobbesbot: diana_away: Sent 3 days, 18 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> what if we hard-forbid low ids, server side as ad interim measure ?
BingoBoingo wondering if Costa Rica does Arepas or if those never made it across the Darien Gap
BingoBoingo: diana_away: Latino johnny cakes. A flat cornbread just thick enough to split and stuff with other Latino foods.
diana_away: hm, here they have this "tres leches" cake that kid is in love with
diana_away: food wise to be honest I kept to fish and seafood which are both good and fruit which is clearly an entire level above what one gets in europe but apparently I like it better in cocktails if anything
diana_away: I'm not much for tropical fruit apparently
diana_away: I even had a "shrimp spaguetti" with white whine and what-not - it was delicious; oh, and the fig cake - this should be on asciilifeform's list I'd say
BingoBoingo: All the expats from baseball latino lands (Colombia/Vzla) seem to love Maracuyá (passion fruit), but I find the flavor rather astringent and bitter.
diana_away: I guess I should give that one another try here too
BingoBoingo: If you come to Uruguay, avoid the shrimp pastas. Very underwhelming as a rule.
☟︎ diana_away: this clearly had more wine and shrimp than pasta so it was good :D
BingoBoingo: Most pastas here are underwhelming, but when you add shrimp they charge too much of a premium for the disappointment.
BingoBoingo: This is not a very seafood oriented culture despite proximity to the sea
diana_away: I found funny here this thing with american-pretending-to-be-italian food esp salami in the supermarket
BingoBoingo: In the supermarket we also get mixed English/Spanish food labeling. Like the envelope of "Arroz Primavera" which is subtitled "Rice Primavera"
diana_away: on the bright side I can say that I got along with my adapted italian so far
diana_away: ticos seem generally eager to figure it out anyway, so it works
BingoBoingo: Or the "Manteca de mani: Creamy" which looking closer at the label came to Uruguay from Germany via Venezuala
diana_away: BingoBoingo: are people in uruguay walking on the side of the motorway too?
BingoBoingo: And the motocicletas use the sidewalks for delicate maneuvers
diana_away: they had at some point this big sign reading "more monkeys than people" so perhaps they know something about it
diana_away: oh and the great sign on the beach: "sandwishes allowed@
diana_away: kid loves the monkeys but he found some very friendly "amigos" ticos rather too much
BingoBoingo: I did learn this week that the word for guinea pig in Spanish is "Cuy" so I can have fun with that asking vendors at the feria to help me pick a good one for dinner
BingoBoingo: It turns out the get the "pig" in their name because they do look like little pigs when you get the hair off of them.
BingoBoingo: The kid may be disappointed by the lack of monkeys in Uruguay
diana_away: ah, I'd always thought they looked more like fat rats
diana_away: there were some monkeys going on the wires with the tails curled on a higher wire so it was basically trolleybus monkeys
diana_away: although the red ones which are the only proper squirrels look less like rats
diana_away: re picking stuff, I did ask for some chicken for the child at one restaurant and what he got clearly went moo in its life but since he did not complain anyway...
BingoBoingo: I'm still calibrating when/where to have low expectations here
deedbot: diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.