a111: Logged on 2017-08-09 17:10 PeterL: I will check in later once I am back at my computer with my key to verify this conversation has been with the real PeterL
a111: Logged on 2017-08-09 22:09 mircea_popescu: to encrypt : take plaintext message M, no longer than 250 bytes, and zero-pad it to 250 bytes. take pile of random bits R 250 bytes long. calculate X = M xor R. calculate Y = R xor MPFHF(X) set for R.len = 250 bytes. RSA the 500 byte pile of X || Y. done. to decrypt : de-RSA the 500 byte pile. cut it in two halves. calculate R = Y xor X. calculate M as X xor R. done.
PeterL: and wouldn't you also need to know S if you are going to reverse the MPFHF from a given R?
PeterL: Is there a way to calculate the probabilty that a random string of 256 bytes will pass a csc check?
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mircea_popescu: !~later tell peterl the hash-xor thing is oadp, which is a provedly strong padding scheme for rsa.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: reversing MPFHF is not required for the above quoted version, as the fhf is used there as a hash function not as a padder. (and alf's objection is valid, not a very good option, a settable size output sponge would be much better).
a111: Logged on 2017-08-09 15:58 mircea_popescu: anyway, let it be said that there's nothing wrong with oaep as far as we know, but for the sake of argument a mpfhf based padding scheme would conceivably work like this : 1. given message m, of length l, generate r = random bits, of length l' up to l but not less than 256 bits. 2. compose m' = r + m + c (in that order), where c is l - l` (and its bitness is always same as the bitness of len(m')-256). 3. compose Pm = R + S +
mircea_popescu: and finally re crc : given a string S of any length, the probability of a string S' where less than 32 bits have been altered in a "burst" passiong crc32 is 0. if you go over 32 bit long bursts the probability is ~ proportional to the burst length / 32.
mod6: <+erlehmann> something involving a goedelized perl script that builds all build rules that don't build themselves. drugs were probably involved. << dafaq is this dude on about?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 23:51 asciilifeform: it thereby follows that i could unroll comba into explicit cases from 1 to 8 words
mod6: hmm, nice test though
mod6: yeah, worth the hunting trip
mod6: sure. keep it in your back pocket.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, i guess. depends though, good to have both variants.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't believe the somewhat more cl is such a problem.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i think the point re : fathers are worthless , siblings are severely retarded is well vindicated
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt it. ~nobody who came before did anything useful and ~nobody currently active has an actually functioning brain.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the unrolls : it's really not that bad, because of the patterns. it's only "unreadable" because alien because too much time spent reading code written by idiots.
mircea_popescu: i am all for keepiong the unrolled version at the ready ; but i really see no problem with having and using the unrolled loops version. you read it once, over a weekend or a week, and you use it ten billion times over fifty years.
mircea_popescu: tell me 13% of 50 years somehow comes out to less than a week ?
mircea_popescu: and a possible candidate for "alt cryptosystem" at that.
mircea_popescu: but you serialize and do a whole word's worth of bit diddle as a xor
mircea_popescu: there's no rule you must do the parts in order or anything
mircea_popescu: no but you write it as a full matrix, you get the undo for free
mircea_popescu: but you don't have to use a table, you should be able to make it work in a matrixc
mircea_popescu: i am telling you, his thing is ripe for rewritting in a more apt notation. he is misrepresenting it because thinking in therms of fucking logic gates
mircea_popescu: you can add the words in any order you wish and you can keep whichever intermediates you feel like
mircea_popescu: heh. the graph of a ^ x mod b looks eheheheheeexactly like the riemann functions / unit covering shenanigans.
mircea_popescu: i know that face glaring back at me. it is the face of unyielding fucking doom.
mircea_popescu: i am now very suspicious you can't ever have a good solution, in the sense that if you find it... you'll have found a fine reason not to need it anymore.
mircea_popescu: no, see. if you could have a not-always-worstcase fixtime algo you would have in fact found pill.
mircea_popescu: basically, you precompute conveniently chosen powers of 2, and then you get rid of most of the product larger than
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you don't have to use the crap parts. the idea itself is sound, further reduces any montgomery reduction.,
mircea_popescu: well, you do the whole polynomioal thing right ? if exponent is 1101 you do 3 out of 4 squares
mircea_popescu: well, at least it was painless to check the code, all of 30 seconda
mircea_popescu: no wtf there. the wtf is more in the line of "check him out, he wants to use a computer without the if key"
mircea_popescu thinks "well... what if you had a group instead, and you could... o fuck me, discrete logarithms. guess what, another basis for cryptosystems".
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does the church "decide to terminate the family's lease"
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, some dude drove over a half dozen french whatever they are, soldiers-polizei.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mno. church can ordain whatever the fuck it pleases ; but a lease is not at-will wtf is the point even.
mircea_popescu: "i'll just dump these remains in your back yard, throw them out whenever you're sick of them" is not what a lease says.
mircea_popescu: still. every lease i ever saw/signed had fixed term for leasor at will clause for leaser.
mircea_popescu: because otherwise what the hell, it's not a lease it's a girlfriendizing contract.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> modern english, unsurprisingly, has no word... << "Indian Givers"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, that actually translates "incompetent" in english, which is the right word. "without the ability of entering contracts".
mircea_popescu: i expect "scientifically proven" a la "climate change" no less ?
mircea_popescu: (nemtsov, recently assassinated, was, of course, the guy putin beat for to
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687959, yeltsin's chosen successor. ah what a great party it'd have been, for teh pantsuits. clinton forever, herdemocracy herp derp... then gore lost to bush, nemtsov lost to putin, nyc lost to gravity, sads sads sads.)
☝︎☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-21 00:02 phf: by the time i started figuring out the socioeconomic part of the question it was a year too late (they started tightening the screws some time before putin came to power, which was not so much the beginning but the announcement of the done deal. i remember '99 the situation of a lot of people changed drastically.)
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andrei4257: eram doar curios daca se mai intampla ceva aici
☟︎ mircea_popescu: oh and speaking of
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1696188 and faux ngos : the "organized crime and corruption reporting project", owned by a maryland state dept offshoot, is this "github for retarded euro-orks willing to journalism for free in furtherance of us "anti-corruption" anti-sovereignity agenda'.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-09 22:47 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : obviously there's a "foundation" and a "code of conduct" (the usgistani nonsense copy/pasted) and a freenode chan, why not. ~600 accounts logged in (specifically :
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yDU6G/?raw=true ) , ZERO anyone has to say at all whatsoever. most are related to matrix.org, which is a pile of nonsensical lulz which you're more than welcome to try and make sense of by yourself. in any case, it's an "
mircea_popescu: mostly used to launder "leaks" in the vein of "russian hackers" would have obtained had the leaks pointed the other way.
mircea_popescu: possibly the largest end product of the whole mechanical orange revolutions effort of rice's dept of state.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, amusingly enough, soros' long standing tax evasion conviction or any mention of his decades on the lam have somehow entirely disappeared from all usg's wikipedias. NEVER OCCURED!!!
a111: Logged on 2017-07-24 17:53 mircea_popescu: "Oakley is among a growing number of educators who view intermediate algebra as an obstacle to students obtaining their credentials — particularly in fields that require no higher level math skills." << teh confusion of ideas ffs.
mircea_popescu: "acoustic attacks", really. because why, we don't know how to calculate the energy carried by a wave of specified frequency, or anything whatsoever about flow in fluids, and so on.
mircea_popescu: for the record : a decibel is the log10 of the ratio between a measured sound energy density and 10^-12 J/m^3. consequently the energy of sound at 150 decibels (such as the sonic blast of a jet taking off at 25m, capable of rupturing eardrums) corresponds to an energy density of 10 ^ (150/10) * 10 ^ -12 = 1000 J/m^3.
mircea_popescu: for comparison, a 100 gram tennisball capable of giving a pretty girl a nasty bruise would be going sa 100 km/h and thereby hit for .1 * (100/3.6)^2/2 ~= 40 J over its 0.001 cubic metre space, ie about 40 times more than the jet's "acoustic attack". a 8-gram 9mm round perfectly capable of making a whole new hole hits for 0.008 * 300 ^ 2 / 2 = 360 J over its 20 * 2*4.5*pi = 5.65 * 10^-7 volume, ie about 650`000 times the jet's
mircea_popescu: of course, the acoustic energy saturation dampens with distance (by the cube) and with obstacles. the jet needs something to the tune of 100 MW to take off, and all this buys you at close range and in open air is bleeding from the ears, not magical symptoms such as bruises, concussions or other mysteries.
mircea_popescu: not to mention, of course, that everyone in the area can also hear it, there's nothing mysterious about it. yes there are ways to carry sound over inaudible ultrasound as a modulation, but guess what ? that takes even more energy! a lot more, in fact.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the entire capacity of cuba's electricity network is what, 8 MW or so ?
shinohai just assumed the "acoustical attack" was having American pop music piped through the PA system ....
mircea_popescu: maybe they got cancer from listening to ustardian daytime tv.
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mircea_popescu: shinohai maybe russian hackers did it. they messed with cuba's sound.dll
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes ? though it was israeli iirc, and worked irl abou as well as the recently reported stink bombs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this works better in theory than in practice.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the kenyan's legacy is one of the lulziest lulzfests in lulzhistory. so, he came to power on a mandate to close down gitmo, which he didn't do, and to roll back bush era power grabs which he didn't do. instead of doing what he promised he decided to do other things!
mircea_popescu: such as : epochal switch on cuba! it... didn't survive his term.
mircea_popescu: all this wunderwaffen is just like the railgun, if you recall that discussion.
mircea_popescu: "we're running out of oil, letr's find fun things to do with electricity"
mircea_popescu: except... oh noes! oil was actually pretty fucking irreplaceably cool ?!?!!?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall back when the various uss self-destroyers got equipped with "LRAD" for great bezzles ? 90s fad.
mircea_popescu: ~only known use for item comes from the 90s, have nympho take a seat on overturned woofer.
mircea_popescu: PeterL what did you end up putting in, wrote keccak variant ?
PeterL: I just put in the crc32 as a checksum
mircea_popescu: PeterL you can't use unpadded rsa. it du nwork that way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, afair the threshold for ultrasound biodetectable effects (in rats) was 180db or so.
PeterL: well, it is not unpadded, it uses the random byte string as the pad
mircea_popescu: PeterL you have a max nick size now ? it is a bad idea to specify protocol semantics at transport level. let me sign my lines whichever way i want, not care about it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if victim were spherical and resided in vacuum...
mircea_popescu: PeterL also there's specifically no allowance for "time" to be transferred. receiving station timestamps with its own time.
PeterL: well, I guess I should put in something, I guess your nick can't be longer than the message size or there would be no room for any message
mircea_popescu: wtf, ever got a card in the mail, "this card was received at 3:55 pm" penciled in by sender ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL you really don't give a shit. whatever the message is, you truncate it to 220 or what was it and send.
PeterL: hrm, when you get it it prints the time recieved and who from, then prints the message that was sent "time, who, message"
PeterL: I will review that again
mircea_popescu: PeterL incidentally, did oyu rebase instead of patching ?
PeterL: didn't sign anything yet, nothing to patch off of
mircea_popescu: true. the obvious advantage of patching is that it makes it easier for readers of code to review deltas. but then again, rebasing makes it easier for writer, less shit to maintain. balancing act.
PeterL: actually, I was going to put in a ping but then didn't get around to it yet
PeterL: the idea being that you could keep track of who is getting your messages
PeterL: sort of a "who is online right now" thing
mircea_popescu: yes, but it ruins the security of the scheme, as i don't expect you will be sending pings to ips associated with bogus keys ?
PeterL: but then I was thinking maybe we wouldn't want that anyway
mircea_popescu: there's no real concept of "online" i can form in my mind. for instance, am i online when i'm not online ? i do read the logs... in what sense am i not online ?
PeterL: the idea would be to ping everybody, and have an option for wther or not you respond to pings
mircea_popescu: if the machine is on and i'm long dead, am i online cuz it pings ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL is there any security contemplated for the data, such as i dunno, encrypt the lists of peers / keys / history etc ? or simply a case of "fuck you secure your machine" ?
PeterL: at the moment there is no securing of data. that would be something to add before battlefield use.
mircea_popescu: i expect at least one's own history should be kept encrypted to a key of his.
mircea_popescu was a major, and in fact for a year or so the only proponent of encrypted wallets for btc.
mircea_popescu: once implemented, "theft" dropped like 90%. which is more than any usgstani effort has, or ever will do.
PeterL: also, my question re crc32 yesterday, I meant to say: given a (random) string of 250 chars, what is the proability that (random four byte string) will pass the crc32 test? which I think is just 1/256^4
mircea_popescu: PeterL if your string is 250 chars, there is 0 probability that an up to 32 bit setcion being altered in any way will not be caught up
mircea_popescu: this is what crc does : for blasts up to its size, 100%. for larger blasts, proportionate.
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PeterL: not trying to catch changes, trying to catch random string accidentally passing the check
mircea_popescu: crc checks that the string is the same now as it was when crc was originalyl computed
mircea_popescu: if you're asking "what is the probability of a 4000 bit string being randomly generated so it matches an arbitrary crc32", the answer is you know, 1 in infinity.
mircea_popescu: are you trying to say that since there's only 2^32 possible values for the crc, it then follows that 1 in 4bn will match ?
mircea_popescu: a cheap improvement would be to write down also the LZW compression ratio.
mircea_popescu: (and in any case, this is also a major improvement over gpg, which realloy only uses 2^16, and worked ok in the field for many years)
mircea_popescu: PeterL + padlen = min(keya.l, keyb.l) - 1 # make sure that the strings will not overflow the key mods << i don't get it, why do you have variable length keys ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 12:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're on this btw, the way i want tmsr-rsa key generation to work is as follows : a contains a number of entropy bytes specified by user in tmsr-rsa.conf read whenever tmsr-rsa.conf specifies (such as urandom); b contains a base-tmsr string specified by user. c = base-tmsr(a).b ; p = nextprime(cut(sha512(c),257)) ; process is repeated for q = nextprime (cut(sha512(c'),258));
PeterL: ah, originally I had it written to allow user to change key sizes, that is a holdover just in case
PeterL: oh, and I was trying to make the functions more general, avoid putting in magic numbers as much as possible
mod6: Hi, I've updated the howto, it's not "finalized" yet. Please take a look and let me know if this doesn't read quite right, or if I've left something out:
☟︎ mod6: Thanks for taking a look shinohai
mod6: maybe i aught to add 'diff' on that list. it is inexplicable to me that it wouldn't be there, but then again, lol.
shinohai: Yeah I forgot you had a guy with some sort of linux that didn't have diff
mod6: I think it was patch, but yeah, maybe I'm mis-remembering that.
mod6: my V doesn't use diff anyway, only patch, gpg, sha512sum, and wget -- and otherwise just standard shell tools such as echo, mkdir, rm, cat, etc.
mod6: But wouldn't be a bad idea to throw it on there in the case where someone, decides to use the linked vdiff script, which uses diff.
☟︎ mod6: Updated the formatting too.
mod6: ugh, something went sideways, standby
mod6: Ok, I think it's better now.
edivad: i promise that this will be the last emergency troubleshooting about TRB
edivad: i feel that i'm very near of a succesful compiling of bitcoind, especially after the update of the guide
edivad: is going very well for a beginner
edivad: you know, a satisfacting terminal try & die till everything works
edivad: so, this is the last error mod6
edivad: since gcc is present i think that is some kind of env problem
mod6: yeah, it does not seem to understand where 'c' is located.
edivad: but i really cannot figure out what i could try before running again the make command
mod6: did everything press alright with V ?
edivad: :) please tell me that the solution is right around the corner, like adding a CC=/path/to/something into the makefile
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ^ That pthread issue I solved on Debian by going to /usr/share/cmake and changing a line in CheckIncludeFiles.cmake
☟︎ edivad: ok, in ubuntu no /usr/share/cmake dir for me
edivad: even in /usr/local/share no presence of cmake dir
mod6: yeah, this looks like it might be something with your /etc/alternatives or something
mod6: im not sure. digging...
shinohai: Find the line: `CMAKE_CONFIGURABLE_FILE_CONTENT}\n\nint main(){return 0;}\n")` and put `void` in the parentheses after int main()
edivad: into the makefile.unix under src?
shinohai: No in the file CheckIncludeFiles under your cmake installation
☟︎ edivad: going to check on ubuntu where is located
edivad: seems different from debian
edivad: under src or the main?
edivad: so should i delete everything and start from scratch?
edivad: can i keep the .wot folder?
edivad: since is a hell lot of copy paste?
mod6: i would blow everything away and start over following exact instructions in the howto
edivad: i'm gonna leave the actual dir for future forensics analysis when i'll be moar expert and now i'm going to create another one
edivad: is now downloading again boost, meanwhile i would like to ask some questions about the fuckgoats device
edivad: that maybe someone can answer later and i will check on the logs
edivad: basically, i recently learned how to generate private keys with a D16 + paper and pencil, and i thought that was a great way to have low cost true entropy
mod6: edivad: are you doing the online or offline build?
mod6: ok, that /is/ a bit less steps, so a decent place to start until you get the hang of the process.
edivad: so, back to the question, is the fuckgoats device meant to be, for instance, if i run a bitcoin service that constantly need to generate private keys, let's say, for example, for an hot wallet?
edivad: i thought that dice was great for cheap and safe cold storage, if done it right
☟︎ edivad: but yes, asciilifeform, is very time consuming if you need to do repeatedly
edivad: and one thing that i haven't learnt yet is how to generate a bip 44 compliant seed with dice
edivad: because you know, with a bip 44 compliant seed, you then generate your extended public key, and you can leave your dice in the drawer
edivad: wasn't able to learn because those damn seeds have a last checksum word (that maybe is a perfectly ok security feature, but it cuts out manual experiments with dice)
edivad: ok going to check the results
edivad: > the state-of-the-art among thinking folk is that pre-generated tx are stored on paper and fed into a hot node when necessary
a111: Logged on 2016-02-04 01:12 asciilifeform: why the FUCK would i
edivad: so basically, tell me if I'm wrong
edivad: using deterministic shit, I'm reducing the entropy of my keys, correct?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 15:39 mod6: But wouldn't be a bad idea to throw it on there in the case where someone, decides to use the linked vdiff script, which uses diff.
edivad: that's some good warning that should be public in many places
edivad: but you know, user friendliness is going to fuck hard security perception of mainstream users
edivad: that's quite sad, but there's nothing that will stop this general trend
mircea_popescu: yes. there's isn't, nor is there going to be a way, manner, instrument or device through which to protect the passive from the active.
edivad: since i'm not yet capable to remember my 64 characters hex private key, there is a way to convert it in a seed without decreasing the security, and maybe being able to memorize it?
edivad: in some random words that can be converted into the 64 hex original key
edivad: do you mean with paper and pencil, and then storing the paper in some hole very distant from NSA eyes? mircea_popescu
edivad: well veneto is quite far from where i live
edivad: mod6: You need at least one UTF8 locale to build a toolchain supporting locales
edivad: this is where i'm stuck now
edivad: yes i know what you mean
edivad: i could even try with pornstar names
edivad: at these times porn industry should have generated enough pornstar name entropy
mircea_popescu: only need ~6.6k. there's about 100k total whores in the pron records.
edivad: mod6: auto-solved the last problem with sudo locale-gen en_US.UTF-8
edivad: this time google has figured out
mod6: strange, im not sure what you mean.
edivad: i was in a mint system without generated locales
edivad: apparently is going forward well
mod6: and when you say 'mint' you don't mean 'linux mint' right? just a *new/clean* ubuntu sys?
edivad: yes, a fresh installation
mod6: ok good to denote. thanks. let us know if it all builds fine for ya.
edivad: to be complete, is an lxc container that is running over proxmox
edivad: and i must admit, i grown up with deterministic wallets in my heart and in just a couple of minutes realized how a dumb move it was
mircea_popescu: a deterministic wallet can have its uses, but they typically aren't "user trying to cheat on running a node".
hanbot:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696608 << looks crisp, though imho "To build TRB, you are going to need some basic requirements on your system environment." is spurious unless said requirements are specified...the next line about packages and list of same seem sufficient.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 15:31 mod6: Hi, I've updated the howto, it's not "finalized" yet. Please take a look and let me know if this doesn't read quite right, or if I've left something out:
edivad: mod6: same error again
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 18:19 shinohai: No in the file CheckIncludeFiles under your cmake installation
edivad: going to do the third clean run, since i have generated the locale in the middle of the process
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 11:35 andrei4257: eram doar curios daca se mai intampla ceva aici
edivad: i'm abusing of it in some way that i haven't noticed?
mircea_popescu: hanbot heh. i expect it's deeper than that, though. dork is romanian, and that country had a ~50 year period of enforced equality-through-poverty the likes of which the us can only dream of. this has the side benefit of every kid expecting every other kid be you know, a goat of ~same size. maybe this other guy has a slightly newer car, that's the accepteable limit of it.
mircea_popescu: this was very noticeable even when i was organising conferences for local bloggers / getting romania's new right party a headquarters etc. "oh, this doesn't really happen, mp can't really exist" etc bla bla.
edivad: ok i will use the other pastebin no problem
mircea_popescu: by now the psychological tension is intolerable though, "what, billionaire ?!?!?! what, tmsr ?!?!" etc. there's that little old jewish mother's voice in the back of their skull, "how come this one could and you can't ?" that's utterly killing them.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: The cmake in Debian/Ubuntu repositories used to have that pthread bug, first time I built a trb with `V` that happened.
hanbot: mircea_popescu : i seem to remember a period in which the .ro line went that you were "illegal", yeah.
mircea_popescu: o yeah, recall that ? "reality diverged from comfortable model thereof, but it has been denied with appropriate incantations and can now go back to bed. i wonder what's on tv ?"
edivad: shinohai: may I ask how I can find CheckIncludeFiles under Ubuntu?
edivad: so i can change the line that you have posted
shinohai is happy to no longer suffer from Debian/Ubuntu infection
mod6: <+shinohai> mircea_popescu: The cmake in Debian/Ubuntu repositories used to have that pthread bug, first time I built a trb with `V` that happened. << i don't remember ever having this issue fwiw
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 18:16 shinohai: ^ That pthread issue I solved on Debian by going to /usr/share/cmake and changing a line in CheckIncludeFiles.cmake
shinohai: edivad: If it isn't in /usr/share then you may have to grep for it .... tbh I rarely used Ubuntu so
shinohai: I did: shinohai@trb locate CheckIncludeFiles.cmake
shinohai: /usr/share/cmake/Modules/CheckIncludeFiles.cmake
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696685 << it's cheap in the sense making your shoes by hand is cheap. it can be fun, but that's as far as it goes. leaving aside problems of how much a pair of aluminum, ruby or w/e dice cost (ie, GOOD dice), a throw provides you with a few bit's worth, FG spits out kB's worth per second. on a per-entropy-bit cost, figuring in capital goods, salary for the thrower, etcetera, FG is about 5 de
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 18:33 edivad: i thought that dice was great for cheap and safe cold storage, if done it right
mod6: edivad: if `locate` doesn't find it, perhaps a simple find will: `find / -name "CheckIncludeFiles.cmake"`
edivad: it's pretty much already modded as you have told
mircea_popescu: edivad use p.bvulpes.com not pastebin.com thepasteb.in etc.
shinohai: Ah ok .... so that must not be your particular issue
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 18:43 asciilifeform: ( and possibly he can also set up a lattice and derive your key from N signatures )
mircea_popescu: we have some expectations about security, they do not include the self-diddle that is "deterministic signatures", ie, i'll sign with a shitton of mathematically related privkeys.
mircea_popescu: all investigation of cryptosystems involved in bitcoin fundamentally rely on "unrelated keys" assumption.
edivad: can i read something about lattice? i haven't understood well the message
mircea_popescu: it's always been a major lulz for me that the same idiots howling about "don't reuse addresses -- it makes usg's pretense of defungibilizing bitcoin that less tenable" never happened to ever mention "don't deterministic wallets, it's on the level of cesar cipher homebrew".
mircea_popescu: because hey, that's what the public needs "experts" on the level of
mircea_popescu: what the fuck was that name of that poinless douche with a "tv show" and some "assistant" retarded chick masquerading about being me back in 2014ish ? k something
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you know what else reuses a hardcoded IV ?
mircea_popescu: my intuitions while useless are entirely correct! i feel much better about self.
mircea_popescu: the bitch with any such approach, as i realised last night. there is NO WAY to protect yourself from downstream cache. no way.
mircea_popescu: you don't even have to know it's there, your code with your entire machine could be emulated later (a la bolix on chip say) and you'd suddenly be weak, even if you deliberately included no cache.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole fucking point of making a n-dimensional table, be it 1 or whatever else, is to avoid looking at all the cells all the time
mircea_popescu: this terribler / tribler thing is a very amusing read.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, the guy complains about the modular exponentiation not being constant time. maybe write to him ask where he ever saw a sane algo ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't keep him from complaining about it, so worth an ask.
edivad: i have a super good news, node is compiled, up and running
edivad: thanks again to all of you that have helped me in the troubleshooting
edivad: now instructions are much clearer
edivad: now that i run a node i can consider myself truly part of tmsr?
edivad: i think that is important to add to the guide that the average joe will need at least 6 gb of space in his hard disk to be able to compile from scratch TRB
edivad: i was doing the process in a 8gb container and at a point i wasn't so confortable continuing refreshing df to check my free space
☟︎ trinque: pittance compared to what you'll need to hold the blockchain, eh?
edivad: i keep the blockchain stored separatedly
trinque: ah well sure, suppose mod6 could mention the build environment is going to be big.
edivad: that precious indexed database, with hours of CPU time on his shoulders, won't be mixed with dirty system files
edivad: in my case i've recycled a previous bitcoin core blockchain and fired up TRB
☟︎ edivad: and now is checking every block from the beginning
edivad: other quick questions are rising
edivad: the 1st) when i started for the first time TRB, he was bitching that myip=something wasn't present on my .conf. Is this a TRB specific requirement?
edivad: 2nd) the second time that i've started TRB, it was complaining that wallet.dat was corrupted (this wallet.dat was generated from latest core, so i suppose is deterministic, is this the reason for being rejected?)
mod6: <+edivad> i have a super good news, node is compiled, up and running << yay!
trinque: 1, correct, see asciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud.vpatch
trinque: it was calling out to some website for external IP, which is nonsense.
mod6: <+edivad> thanks again to all of you that have helped me in the troubleshooting << You're welcome. Very good of you to have such persistence to keep working through the issues.
trinque: 2, entirely likely the power rangers changed the wallet format
mod6: <+edivad> i was doing the process in a 8gb container and at a point i wasn't so confortable continuing refreshing df to check my free space << oh sure. I didn't even think to ask. Next time I will.
mod6: <+trinque> ah well sure, suppose mod6 could mention the build environment is going to be big. << While I'm at it on the updates; i think, let's say, you need a minimum of what? 20Gb ?
edivad: ok perfect, the third time that i've restarted the node there weren't no problem at all
trinque: looks like my trb dir weighs 4.5gb over here; something like that should be fine
mod6: yeah, that's always what mine is once complete, ~4.5G
☟︎ edivad: i need to ask something more political than technical
mod6: I'll say 20G, that should suffice, for now.
edivad: i've understood that TRB = purity
trinque: edivad: define "purity" before proceeding.
edivad: in the case of segwit, this means that trb won't care about segwit blocks and as long as they will complies with the "hard rules" (I really don't know how to explain myself better) they will be accepted?
☟︎ trinque: edivad: can search the logs first, eh? there's lots in there re: segwit and other failures of folks to diddle the definition of bitcoin
trinque: as currently derped, yep, "segwit" shouldn't mean a damn thing to bitcoin proper.
mod6: edivad: yah, it'll really help you out to read at least 6 months of logs. And if you read more, even better. There's a wealth of knowledge in there.
trinque: cept that eventually miners will defect from the thing, and steal everyone's segwit "transactions", much to the lul of all.
edivad: ok I'll read it before asking political questions
shinohai: Also, from here onwards you should refer to Segwit as `Segshit`
trinque: oh I got one: segregated witless