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mircea_popescu: that was the lulz of all time with
systemd coupla years ago, the "selling point" of "faster boot times. for servers."
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 18:26 mircea_popescu: if anyone is inclined to maintain forks of any linux distro (much in the manner of trb - to clean, not to "support"/utf/
systemd/etc) we can prolly work something out.
mircea_popescu: if anyone is inclined to maintain forks of any linux distro (much in the manner of trb - to clean, not to "support"/utf/
systemd/etc) we can prolly work something out.
☟︎ trinque: the thing may very well be 10
systemd cycles in, given its age
phf: i think asdf is evil, version 3 is doing some straight up
systemd shit. for those who don't know asdf 3 comes with fare's own portability layer called uiop, which in a very
systemd agressive and underhanded style is superseding existing utility libraries.
☟︎ scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [01:06:18] <asciilifeform> 'Really, I think it’s too late for mainstream “Linux”. It’s gone. It’s done. Geeks of the world were easily fooled by a shiny new toy and a corporate propaganda campaign to match, without considering the engineering implications. You can still use a real (
systemd-free) version of Linux, or move toward the BSDs, but if you stay with the
phf: "
Systemd Rolls Out Its Own Mount Tool ☶ linux
systemd phoronix.com"
shinohai: When is someone finally gonna kill
systemd and bury it deep.
phf: are they going to integrate many lulz of
systemd? are they going to do more dodgy shit, with nameless anons ripping hair on chest with indignation? are they going to coexist with freedesktop community, kind of like how one huckster can always recognize another, and keep each other at respectful distance until there's an opportunity for an underhanded move
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 05:40 phf: i don't know the details of ken sievers, some lesser part of
systemd's master wrecking plan, involving firmware devices. probably behavior is somehow mandatory in NSA injection sequence. or else guy is just another righteous prick
phf: i don't know the details of ken sievers, some lesser part of
systemd's master wrecking plan, involving firmware devices. probably behavior is somehow mandatory in NSA injection sequence. or else guy is just another righteous prick
☟︎ phf: ben_vulpes: i was going to link relevant mail message, but udev has been merged into
systemd a while ago. gentoo has a fork, called eudev. udev also prompted one of the linus' famous rants,
https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/484 phf: well, "libarchive" is already a
systemd-ism
mircea_popescu: and the whole discussion re
systemd above is quite germane : even "with" this so called "general purpose in the sense of we dunno what exacrtly" computer of today,
phf: you have a changing subtrate, changing interfaces. you can hot iron parts while it's at a manageable size and localized, but at some point you start dealing with
systemd type situation where the tendrils are inside either the code that you use OR inside the subtrate/interfaces part (i.e. connection to outside world)
ben_vulpes: i thought
systemd was modeled after windows
mircea_popescu: so basically windows is turning into yet-another-
systemd ?
phf: very little thinking is going on, most of so called thinking is integration and regurgitation of past thinking, that trickles from occasional pockets where thinking happened. by the time one integrates that thinking one is disinclined to further think (for one is a ph.d. or whatever at that point). but any question can be grothendieck-ed if you're so inclined, to reveal and remove your
systemd's and kdbus's
mircea_popescu: i still don't get this. all this derpage from the early days of
systemd "it makes servers boot faster"
phf: doesn't have freedesktop/
systemd/...
adlai: untrained gardner could also build
systemd BingoBoingo: I think I'm going to stop reading the "Phenomenology of Spirit". I didn't get sober to import the mental version of
systemd.
mircea_popescu: this is in fact how it works : we, aim to V the original lispworld. scum - aims to
systemd wikipedia.
mircea_popescu: he's 2nd generation scum, aims to
systemd the original scum.
BingoBoingo: lol, the Tor 'Tails' distro switched to
systemd now
mircea_popescu: and so what, we're officially targetting "anything that's unix post bsd pre
systemd" ?
ascii_butugychag: would have happily carried on not knowing about
systemd also, if had not..... etc
thestringpuller: pretty sure pankakke bailed on #b-a cause of
systemd shit-talking
thestringpuller: "Since 0.11B we have added
systemd init scripts to make sure that the node will be started and auto-restarted if you reboot. The
systemd bitcoinxtd.service registers the XT based daemon for autostart."
BingoBoingo: All things considered the only safe assumption is the San Fransisco County Sheriff's being on team
systemd mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder if this has anything to do with the ongoing
systemd-ization of foss.
mircea_popescu: assbot:BUS1: A New Linux Kernel IPC Bus Being Made By
Systemd Developers - Phoronix <<< ahahaha mkay.
BingoBoingo: "BUS1 isn't being developed by just some unknown individuals, but
systemd developer David Herrmann and Kay Sievers seem to be the lead (and only) developers working on it thus far."
mircea_popescu: also, the field data suggests that contrary to everyone's worst nightmares,
systemd will actually eventually fail, like the rest of similar attempts.
ascii_field: phun phakt:
systemd HARD FREEZES a box with no chance of recovery if it runs into just about ANY issue at boot time.
jurov: to think that ibm pc was universally reviled like today
systemd ascii_field: '"He is a recipient of the Free Software Award from the Free Software Foundation for his work on Secure Boot, UEFI, and the Linux kernel". Ah! All the bits that I *don't* want in the kernel. Did he work on
systemd too?'
BingoBoingo: punkman: Seems like motive enough for the NSA to do the
systemd turd
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:49:58; ascii_field: '%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half
systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us.
ascii_field: '%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half
systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us.
☟︎ thestringpuller: sounds like something those anti-
systemd forkers of debian would get behind
trinque: asciilifeform: yep, don't need pulseaudio for sound (even with mixing!), don't need networkmanager for internet connection (even wifi!), don't need
systemd... dont need...
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 07:16:33; trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't
systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in
trinque: well hell, that CoreOS (which is a breeding ground for
systemd nonsense) has etcd
punkman: when is pulseaudio getting merged in
systemd punkman: "Next up:
Systemd replaces “confusing” unix ls command with new and clean filectl command."
assbot: Lennart Poettering merged “su” command replacement into
systemd: Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide | The Linux Homefront Project ... (
http://bit.ly/1EwE871 )
thestringpuller: "Processing triggers for
systemd" << i throw up when I see this at work
gernika: Can someone point me to the guide for installing gentoo properly for foundation purposes? Following the default guide and it's got steps for setting up
systemd, which clearly I don't want.
phf:
systemd was really the last nail in the coffin, this stuff was going on for a while, like freedesktop.org which is a open standards body (?) for all the retardation that came out of kde/gnome and "linux on desktop"
mircea_popescu: by the time "
systemd" is a word, usg-as-nsa is no longer.
punkman: what would be not-meta win for
systemd?