mod6: hanbot: hmm, ok that makes some sense as far as the philosophical components. i wonder if simply an index with pointers to indexed topic wouldn't just be something worthwhile. i.e. "Discussion around MP's change requirements and keccak hash family => [LOG_URL_1] [LOG_URL_N] [...]"
mod6: at minimum that could point a person in the right direction to find #b-a discussions in the log about said topic.
mod6: asciilifeform: about that error I saw, thanks for your insight. I looked the other system logs to see if that was the issue, but didn't see the OOMKILL like I have before. So I was thinking it wasn't related to that somehow. Anyway, good to know.
mod6: And beyond that, as you were saying, it didn't get oomkill'd, just kept right along going. i think you're right, we should throw a fatal exception in the event of oom.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00041975 = 12.2987 BTC [-]
phf: installing gentoo is a special form of sadomasochism.
mircea_popescu: best masochism of all david niven's masochisms, the one in which he keeps his eggs.
phf: ok, not sure if anybody tried yet, but asciilifeform's gentoo chicken works as prescribed. in fact i tried installing unknown package that turned out to have a hard poettering dependency, and gentoo refused to proceed
☟︎ phf: i've managed a reiserfs/lilo combo, though genkernel claims that it doesn't work with reiserfs. uclibc vanilla failed on chroot step, ifconfig and all the other networking bits refused to work. perhaps i needed to grab a uclibc iso? in any case i proceeded witha glibc install for now
☟︎ koinplug: I have been looking at mpex and I think I'm misunderstanding something
koinplug: in the feb statement it says there's 60 btc revenue from new accounts
koinplug: and that address has not received any payments in Feb
koinplug: also the new accounts fee is 50 BTC, minus possibly 2x5 BTC for the affiliate fee, so multiples of 40 or 50 BTC. how can that add up to 60 BTC?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00041934 = 13.5866 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: "Nothing to indicate the subject had any interest in any matter other than Mathematics” Paul Erdős FBI file ... (
http://bit.ly/1RsH9ev )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00041922 = 1.5092 BTC [-]
koinplug: thanks punkman that makes sense
koinplug: but multiples of 40 or 50 btc can't add up to 60 btc?
koinplug: unless it is being amortized for some reason?
punkman: yeah not sure about that, maybe someone got a discount?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell koinplug a) mpex also uses undisclosed addresses in special cases ; b) we have some old fixed-price contracts with some users who renew their key periodically.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: phf> ok, not sure if anybody tried yet, but asciilifeform's gentoo chicken works as prescribed << it does, yes, and it IS a very good and useful thing. almost makes me feel bad when mocking linuxen.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and check it out, danielpbarron found peace in reading trilema!
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 06:25:18; phf: ok, not sure if anybody tried yet, but asciilifeform's gentoo chicken works as prescribed. in fact i tried installing unknown package that turned out to have a hard poettering dependency, and gentoo refused to proceed
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 06:27:49; phf: i've managed a reiserfs/lilo combo, though genkernel claims that it doesn't work with reiserfs. uclibc vanilla failed on chroot step, ifconfig and all the other networking bits refused to work. perhaps i needed to grab a uclibc iso? in any case i proceeded witha glibc install for now
danielpbarron: is mine one of the two? The box I'm using to test trb had already been a sane gentootron
danielpbarron: it'd using it now, you hadn't made that formal list at the time i did it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 42954 @ 0.00009 = 3.8659 BTC [-]
trinque has a similarly neutered personal recipe
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 57279 @ 0.000085 = 4.8687 BTC [-]
phf: asciilifeform: did you manage to get emacs to build on musl gentoo? (i.e. does the musl patches overlay include a solution for temacs dump process)
☟︎ phf: also anyone tried doing a kernel level key rebind before? is that just in config or you need to patch source. i want to switch some keys around, but i don't want to have to do it for every single userland environment
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 15:02:08; phf: asciilifeform: did you manage to get emacs to build on musl gentoo? (i.e. does the musl patches overlay include a solution for temacs dump process)
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 15:04:05; phf: also anyone tried doing a kernel level key rebind before? is that just in config or you need to patch source. i want to switch some keys around, but i don't want to have to do it for every single userland environment
phf: right, linux root=/dev/foo kbrebind=10:20,40:50,etc.
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 14:54:42; *: trinque has a similarly neutered personal recipe
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 13:53:13; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell koinplug a) mpex also uses undisclosed addresses in special cases ; b) we have some old fixed-price contracts with some users who renew their key periodically.
phf: seems like the kind of thing that would be worthwhile to diff against chicken
phf: also i learned that gnutls depends on guile :o
phf: i don't remember homebrew pulling guile, so it's something gentoo specific. and putting -guile into useflags don't do notin
☟︎ phf: guile is the old warhorse of the "scheme in emacs!!" agenda, pretty sure even naggum ranted about it
☟︎ phf: right, even hardcore schemers (of the mit/scheme48 background) think it's pos
phf: there's a very vocal minority trying to get it into emacs as a replacement for elisp, you'll have an elisp emulation layer, but you can also have javascript emulation layer!!1
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 15:25:22; phf: i don't remember homebrew pulling guile, so it's something gentoo specific. and putting -guile into useflags don't do notin
phf: aah, hence crapolade
phf: i assume it can be built with qt3, but it still hard depends on dbus? or you mean that it just requires patching
mircea_popescu: hey, aggressive mediocrities ALWAYS fuck over neurotic geniuses / lazy talent.
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 15:31:18; phf: there's a very vocal minority trying to get it into emacs as a replacement for elisp, you'll have an elisp emulation layer, but you can also have javascript emulation layer!!1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> hell i'd put it in bios if x86 had any provision for this <<< odd that the bios has provision for any and all retarded shits, including "power saving" but not for defining the buttons.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> iirc gimp once used it, but now has the latter << yea.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << undisclosed addresses? unprincipled-exception from 'no such thing as taint' ?!! << very principled. "no such thing as taint" means that i do not recognize the concept, or any reasoning that relies on it. it very pointedly does not mean i will behave in such a manner as to protect the taint assumptions of third parties but just the opposite.
mircea_popescu: if you think that you can in any manner or for any purpose distinguish any bitcoin from any bitcoin we can't be friends.
mircea_popescu: just like not recognizing the institution of marriage doesn't mean you never marry. it means that you randomly and entirely unreliably marry.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i had never discussed theology on a blog before. dat republic!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00041922 = 7.1687 BTC [-]
assbot: complexity theory - Why hasn't there been an encryption algorithm that is based on the known NP-Hard problems? - Computer Science Stack Exchange ... (
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mats: am posting in reference to thread
mircea_popescu: "i kept no records of the presumptions i made in constructing the subclass, therefore no such presumptions exist!"
mircea_popescu: then i get incensed when derps start with the "~~~~~I~~~~~ don't see how..."
phf: as manifest in every "my first crypto", this is so convoluted i can't grok it, surely nobody else can
phf: i have a hunch that this is not a conspiracy of incompetents, but rather an aspect of the whole knowing the unknown in relation to yourhead. i.e. stupid is not obscurantist for your benefit, but for own
phf: very little thinking is going on, most of so called thinking is integration and regurgitation of past thinking, that trickles from occasional pockets where thinking happened. by the time one integrates that thinking one is disinclined to further think (for one is a ph.d. or whatever at that point). but any question can be grothendieck-ed if you're so inclined, to reveal and remove your systemd's and kdbus's
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44462 @ 0.00041959 = 18.6558 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: phf the whole premise of bourgeois society is "me too". apprentice wizard "becoming" "just as good" as wizard. sons becoming just as good as fathers. seedling becoming just as tree as the tree.
mircea_popescu: such as : reading jane austen, just as good as falling in love, except cheaper and safer. no fluids involved.
mircea_popescu: reading dickens, just as good as having a life. reading age of exploration crud, just as good as having travelled.
mircea_popescu: going to unversity, just as good as thinking. fast food, just as good as food.
mircea_popescu: no wonder and no explanation needed that darwin became such a religious lightning rod. theory of... "evolution". there's no evolution involved in darwinism, per se. a wasp today has "evolved" just as much and for just as long as jane austin "evolved".
mircea_popescu: this pious fraud beset poor darwin all his life, and he pretty much perelman'd because of it.
mircea_popescu: so then, in this perspective, balabusta (fat jewish housewife), who is absolutely the apotheosis of bourgeois society, will make clam chowder (just as good as) out of whatever it is she finds in her pantry, such as for instance beans.
mircea_popescu: going to church, just as good as living well ; and then when going to church is too much trouble, going to protestant church "inside oneself" just as good as going to the proper one.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 21:09:58; mircea_popescu: anyway. by and large, the "cleanning out corruption" narrative is what happens to a colonized place, ie, after the top leadership was defeated.
mircea_popescu: so of fucking course modernity would be unthinking, for which reason sterile, and centralizing, for which reason boring. it has to be, its aims require it, its basic tenets imply it.
mircea_popescu: (if you think about it, worst cinematic villain line of all time, most insulting to "the gods" of the viewer ? "you will never be as good as me." o noes!)
mircea_popescu: everything, EVERYTHING screams it. the odd attire of the brunette walking away. the facade of the apartment building. that ugly monkey bar set ; the thin grass, the inconvenient walkway. absolute item.
mircea_popescu: the idiots sitting uncomfortably for fear of not being others' suckers...
assbot: Povestea celor trei imparati smecheri si a celor trei negustori fraieri - fabula in versuri ilustrata on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform uneven ? bordered by some concrete margin of no apparent utility than to ensure it turns into a river if it rains ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now i'd rather fancy to see this thing. pic it sometime.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between sfortunati and disgratiati.
mircea_popescu: (approx, unfortunate and good for nothing, respectively)
mircea_popescu: "eclypse" (some wanna-be c compiler for windows ?) never heard of jamfiles.
mircea_popescu: ok... eclupse, some wanna-be ide for windows never heard o' jamfiles.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is the point of an ide that doesn't support things.
mircea_popescu: might as well use vi then, equally unaware of the world.
mircea_popescu: it occurs rto me - someone should get google to make googlebot author a collection of jokes.
mircea_popescu: possibly the one place for ai in intelligent discourse.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00041995 = 5.9213 BTC [+]
assbot: BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 80.22 B (54%) on Yes, 68.59 B (46%) on No | closed 1 week 4 days ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1RdvTNC )
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: looks like it may be due to -connect vs -addnode
assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 18:11:44; kakobrekla:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2016#1435731 < not at all - i think there is some merit in the argument in the sense that bitbet will hardly survive the upset its going through now (which is actually devaluating the asset to be liquidated)
thestringpuller: it worked just find connecting to ~your~ node for the last month and a half
thestringpuller: once synced it was like "okay i'm done" and just stopped receiving blocks
mircea_popescu: eh, the whole internet consists of people who think they can do things better than anyone ; and then can't do jack shit to save their lives.
mircea_popescu: let them stop whining and get in the wot, administer receiverships, do things.
hanbot: kakobrekla so in the process of protecting the shareholders from a 17 btc bill, you managed to destroy all their holdings and stick the bettors with a 13 btc or w/e it's going to end up. pretty sucky, innit?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, someone stands for the consumer, now ? fuck the consumer.
mircea_popescu: abomination of mistaken history, fuck the consumer with a rusty nail plank.
mircea_popescu: but i ~am~ well impressed by the proposition. i suppose coming up next is, "asciilifeform and poettering both write software".
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: unfortunately i haven't found a way to truncate this log
kakobrekla: cool, so you are aware that you cant have responsibility without liability
nubbins`: i give precisely, literally, zero fucks about anything to do with bitbet, mp, etc
kakobrekla: the point is that i agreed to do bitbet back then as long as mp is responsible and liable for bitcoins (as per thread - i refused to handle them)- which he no longer wants to be
kakobrekla: if there is no liability its much easier to fuck up the coins myself
mircea_popescu: in other news video cards can apparently die. who knew.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform we discussed various models of bitbet operations, one of mps suggestions was that i hold the btc and flush the deposits over to him occasionally or somesuch which i refused and suggested he gives me a huge list of his address which i will be handing out
nubbins`: asciilifeform in general or on said topics?
mircea_popescu: and replacement is fucking up the monitor. apparently, can't have previous mode because it puts it out of bounds
mircea_popescu: have a stern talk with the notion of computing, rather.
mircea_popescu: i'm starting to notice that most insufferable things and people i ever ran across were computers and computer experts.
hanbot: kakobrekla from the outside, all that's seen is you going gotta protect the shareholders!!1 and a week later the shareholders are fucked...and the customers are boiling. not that i expect you to take responsibility rather than talk about it, but you've fucked up.
kakobrekla: hanbot to quote you: The k factor comes from the specified nature of the business (ie, BTC business). In order to be able to offer BTC business you must at a minimum be able to correctly and safely handle payments.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87100 @ 0.00041893 = 36.4888 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: let it be stated that i don't wish asciilifeform to be doing any interpreting of what i've said after i'm dead.
hanbot: asciilifeform he said that they're more than welcome to do something other than whine eh?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7759 @ 0.00041886 = 3.2499 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: hanbot please enlighten me how and why should i take responsibility for mps double payment of which i was aware of only after the fact?
hanbot: nah, take responsibility for the following thing: "i, kakobrekla, turned the situation where the shareholders owed 17 btc and had credit to repay it in the future, into a situation where the shareholders have nothing, and the bettors owe at least 13 btc, if not more. this is the best i could do, hire me and i'll do the same for you."
nubbins`: there was no situation where the shareholders owed 17 btc
nubbins`: so, no, he didn't turn a situation from that into anything.
kakobrekla: or maybe mp can go "i, mp, have through a series of mistakes made a double payment and will now pretend it was a chinese conspiracy, say publicly i did it masochistically but actually bill it sadistically to the company as a made up war expense"
nubbins`: you need to take a course in basic logic
nubbins`: kakobrekla i could've told you last week that they'd fever-dream their way through this
nubbins`: having to blatantly spout nonsense
nubbins`: altho i guess it's mostly a show for folks that don't go back and read the logs
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 23:21:15; kakobrekla: hanbot to quote you: The k factor comes from the specified nature of the business (ie, BTC business). In order to be able to offer BTC business you must at a minimum be able to correctly and safely handle payments.
mircea_popescu: looky, that nonsense isn't going to snivel into factuality just because butthurt. chinese miner conspiracy is a fact, undisputed and accepted as such.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now then. that you or anyone else "dunno, wasn't there, whatever", it's one thing.
mircea_popescu: but "i dunno, wasn't there, don't believe" does not actually enact anything. it's just the typical position of the scholar withdrawing from the world.
kakobrekla: anyway, even if ufos delete your private keys you cant just put it on the company
kakobrekla: or else its much easier for me to ufos delete my private keys for it
mircea_popescu: that has exactly nothing to do with the discussion, so let's let it be.
kakobrekla: if nothing else it brings about a bad set of incentives.
mircea_popescu: looky : part of your trying to cope with hanbot's deriding your peculiar notion of responsibility was to come hide under my skirts. i said plox don't come hide under my skirts. that's all.
kakobrekla: so you are saying you can have responsibility without liability?
mircea_popescu: i am saying that whatever you're talking to her about, stick to it an' let me be.