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adlai: speaking of which, http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spritz+from%3Aadlai is superceded/obsoleted/completed by https://github.com/pasky/speedread
assbot: 3 results for 'spritz from:adlai' - #bitcoin-assets search
assbot: GitHub - pasky/speedread: A simple terminal-based open source Spritz-alike (per-word RSVP aligned on optimal reading points) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqtKf4 )
mircea_popescu: in other vaguely lulzy news : previous (socialist) argentine government "signed" a treaty with china, allowing them a fancy new "satellite" base in the far south, right next to the pole.
ben_vulpes: well that was a miserable idea
mircea_popescu: the current "we will pay lizardhitler cronies" guy is going to try and renegotiate that thing to add a clause that the base is "not to be used militarily". as if it has any other fucking purpose than ready bombardment of us/canada.
mircea_popescu: none of this is, of course, ever to be reported in the pravda.
mircea_popescu: suffice it to be said that if you're looking for a place to live in case of open hostilities with china (not that there's any likelyhood of that), texas way better than chicago or new york.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Where's your qntra submission on this subject?
ben_vulpes: best of best is to live in incuntsequential hipster holes
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: How do you know the hipster holes won't be cleansed for aesthetics?
pete_dushenski: sort of a lot of expense for the sake of aesthetics
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: How do you judge the cost of making a Deepwater port and fulfilling Teller's dream at the same time? You clease the coastal hipster holes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo meh, kinda low level lulz.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: antarctic ?!
mircea_popescu: yeah
asciilifeform: texas?!
asciilifeform: explain?
mircea_popescu: i'd gladly explain if you used a verb in your questions like sane people.
asciilifeform: ah i get it, nm
mircea_popescu: the miracle of forcing verbs in verbiage!
asciilifeform: btw idea belongs to chelomey
asciilifeform: (contemporary of korolev)
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: boil the 'great lakes'
asciilifeform: of course this was back when usa had factories there.
asciilifeform: i still don't get why cn would need antarctic base when it can shoot over north pole.
asciilifeform: like sane people.
BingoBoingo: In case Russia gets alarmed by CN launch
asciilifeform: l0l
BingoBoingo: The Russia/China Border not disputed. Better to launch over all the Americas where who the fuck in the flight path can complain?
BingoBoingo just recieved "computer maintenance department scam call
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asciilifeform: anyway rockets are so 20th c
asciilifeform: proper nuke - orbits.
asciilifeform: and deorbits.
BingoBoingo: Eh, why not just weaponize a panamax or a suezmax a la best korea
asciilifeform: a fedex crate, aha.
BingoBoingo: Problem with orbit is keeping it, and problem with nuke is maintenance
asciilifeform: good for ~20 yr
BingoBoingo: And then you gotta get it down safely or peace has an expiration date
asciilifeform: also remember that orbit of comm sats is low because tx/rx
asciilifeform: nuke needs only receive.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do your know what graveyard orbit is?
BingoBoingo: recieve and avoid having its traditional explosives decay through radition exposure.
BingoBoingo: Not really?
asciilifeform: look it up
BingoBoingo: Ah, further up where it becomes still harder to collect for fuel later.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50333 @ 0.00055916 = 28.1442 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.00055861 = 21.0875 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [Trilema] The woman's fault - http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16435 @ 0.00055796 = 9.1701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66706 @ 0.00055737 = 37.1799 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00056024 = 16.5271 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106285 @ 0.00055728 = 59.2305 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33385 @ 0.00055625 = 18.5704 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00055456 = 7.1261 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/node/4980
assbot: The Beige of Beijing | Standpoint ... ( http://bit.ly/1R5tJ4u )
BingoBoingo: "And the architecture! Never was any city more captivated by the rectangle. As you take off from Beijing airport, clumps of residential developments rise relentlessly into the distance, each cluster often 60 or so high-rises apiece, each high-rise 50 or so stories tall — seeming to reproduce SimCity-style as you watch. They are all drab, they are all the same, they are all hideous. (A student asked after my event whether perhaps
BingoBoingo: I didn't care for Beijing's architecture merely because it was "unfamiliar". I looked at him in astonishment. "Unfamiliar!" I exclaimed. This stuff is all over the world!" And an assault of Bauhaus is hardly Chinese.) Put up in the engineering equivalent of 15 minutes, none of these buildings is made to last — but when I asked my winsome Han tour guide what would happen when they collapsed, she said with cheerful gusto, "We'll
BingoBoingo: build them again!""
BingoBoingo: "The fact that all over Beijing you have to put soiled loo roll in a little basket beside the toilet is telling: the infrastructure is fragile." << Very Rural of them
mircea_popescu: the toilet paper nuttery is endemic in central america also. i always ignored it, to no detriment. sort-of wondering whether there's any more substance to this nonsense than any urban legend. to this day for instance south koreans believe magical asphyxiation rays come out of fans left running while people sleep.
mircea_popescu: the telltale, specific nonsense old women come up with, but particularly successfully rooted.
BingoBoingo: Around here the toilet paper is associated with the very rural people who have fragile septic tank systems.
BingoBoingo: Those of us in town get our flushing (and wire internet) privilege
mircea_popescu: what is a bit of cellulose supposed to do ?
mircea_popescu: it actually decomposes faster than feces.
BingoBoingo: Over time supposedly accumulates. It may break down faster than feces, but it doesn't liquify as fast.
mircea_popescu: you ever tried this experiment ? or how do you know ?
BingoBoingo: The concern isn't actually the tank, but the pipes that run from the tank to the leech field
BingoBoingo: Heard horror stories.
BingoBoingo: Got to enjoy tales of the weirdo bumpkin kids on college campuses who were in the no flushing the toilet paper habit
mircea_popescu: i heard horror stories about jews stealing good german women's sexual mojo, also.
mats: on the subject of Koreans
BingoBoingo: WHo hasn't heard those?
mats: I have heard more than one insist that Confucius was Korean
mircea_popescu: there's this general tendency of shitty countries to entertain this dream that they're really cool.
mircea_popescu: there's a section of romania convinced that this romanian dude invented writing and taught the romans to fuck and egyptians to pyramid.
mats: and that their cultural dress is original, rather than heavily derivative of the fashions from the Tang
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't forget the little detail where 'fan death' somehow ... only happens to ethnic koreans!
mircea_popescu: right,
mats: this is what happens when americans prop up a nation of farmers
mircea_popescu: americans ARE a nation fo farmers.
mircea_popescu: most of them, first generation in shoes, actually.
mats: and while I'm venting about Koreans, their food fucking sucks and utterly lacks any kind of nuance
asciilifeform: mats: tell this to nubbins', iirc he is eating kimchi still, many years after his tour of duty
mats: the only thing the world knows about .kr food is Korean BBQ and kimchi
mats: think about that for a second
asciilifeform: forgot dogs
BingoBoingo is disappoint that other people discovered beef tongue is delicious and it is priced locally on par with other actual foods that don't suck
mats: my grandfather ate dog during the famine, no shame in that
asciilifeform: not in famine, but as standard butcher shop fare
mats: also swapped an infant son with a friend's, and ate that too
asciilifeform: mmm
mats: welcome to hell
asciilifeform: the swap detail is interesting
mats: so many koreans I have met, have serious attitude problems
mats: so many chix are high maintenance princesses, dudes tend to be belligerent and unbearable when drunk
asciilifeform: saw a great kr film not long ago, about baduk (go) mafia
asciilifeform: showcases both.
mats: recall the name? I'll add to my list
asciilifeform: 'divine move'
asciilifeform: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3419894
assbot: Sin-ui Hansu (2014) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1olf6kv )
mats: the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party
mats: people here have no sense of scale beyond the drops of blood spilled on 9/11
mats: hundreds of millions toiled, sweat blood, and died in the last thirty years to make .cn great
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00055508 = 14.6541 BTC [+]
mats: meanwhile my generation chants 'feel the bern' because he proffers entitlements on the backs of corporations
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406782 << good nyooz! this is fixable!111 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 03:48:41; mats: the us has gone so long without experiencing actual national tragedy on the scale of, say, the civil war between the kmt and the party
asciilifeform: won't be long to wait.
mats: i wonder all the time if this is just wishful thinking on my part
mats: many ancient empires took centuries to die, despite entering infirmity long before, after all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00055456 = 11.0357 BTC [-]
mats: anyways, finite
mats: gnite*
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406770 << this is the worst thing i've ever read in here. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 03:28:14; mats: also swapped an infant son with a friend's, and ate that too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25415 @ 0.00055508 = 14.1074 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: hey, they swap daughter with neighbour prior to fucking, why not infant prior to eating.
danielpbarron: not the swap part :/
danielpbarron: that makes sick sense; don't want to eat own son
BingoBoingo: !up Compute-c
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00055514 = 22.6497 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1999-50.html
assbot: 1999 Darwin Award: Resistance is Futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1mEgRrb )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00056215 = 8.376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.00055497 = 19.3962 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26233 @ 0.00056241 = 14.7537 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8790 @ 0.00056109 = 4.932 BTC [-] {2}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - ItBit US Out of Business before May 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1149/itbit-us-out-of-business-before-may-2016/#b13
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62620 @ 0.00056243 = 35.2194 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107988 @ 0.00055515 = 59.9495 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40313 @ 0.0005635 = 22.7164 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23722 @ 0.00056437 = 13.388 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.01000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b25
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25178 @ 0.00056482 = 14.221 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b26
punkman: http://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2016/02/the-nsas-skynet-program-may-be-killing-thousands-of-innocent-people/
assbot: The NSA’s SKYNET program may be killing thousands of innocent people | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQjPYf )
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNVqe_Fa72w
assbot: GG Allin - Livin' Like An Animal - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQk45D )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00056252 = 32.4012 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo will prolly appreciate http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/#comment-116552
assbot: The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBVWiV )
mircea_popescu: but i am also very curious to hear out disagreement, especially from the esteemed peers living with young children.
mircea_popescu: "Last year, The Intercept published documents detailing the NSA's SKYNET programme. According to the documents, SKYNET engages in mass surveillance of Pakistan's mobile phone network, and then uses a machine learning algorithm on the cellular network metadata of 55 million people to try and rate each person's likelihood of being a terrorist." << hey, i'm sure they beat them at go, first!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00056665 = 12.6646 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2016/02/using-ipv6-with-linux-youve-likely-been-visited-by-shodan-and-other-scanners << ntp and ipv6 lulz
assbot: Using IPv6 with Linux? You’ve likely been visited by Shodan and other scanners | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJ72p5 )
asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.co.uk/staff/2016/02/open-instruments-and-tools-nice-idea-tough-to-implement << from same rag, mega-jwz piece
assbot: Science with open hardware: A new way to restrict participation | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJ9KL7 )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80550 @ 0.00056257 = 45.315 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: https://redd.it/461ts8 <<< Let's not include a fee because it's only $25
assbot: I selected "no fee if possible", it's been 5 hours. Am I boned? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnpBxA )
mod6: morning, just a heads up here. ben has been testing V for me, and we're going through it. might need another patch tonight.
mod6: will let you all know. thanks
BingoBoingo: ty mod6
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deedbot-: [Trilema] Eulora auction, February the 21st - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-auction-february-the-21st/
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: hey, i'm sure they beat them at go, first! << never knew people played go in pakistan
mircea_popescu: go-at.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: anyway rockets are so 20th c << I hope for warp drive by 22nd century.
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BingoBoingo: Need more amazon https://imgur.com/a/jweYf
assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrCAJn )
mircea_popescu: in other bitcoin news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lul4ub4Rnp1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrCFwP )
shinohai: What is that mircea_popescu, a human representation of the Ethereum pyramid scheme?
mircea_popescu: these are pubic beards not neckbeards.
shinohai: true! :D
shinohai: Not that Buterin can grow any facial hair.
BingoBoingo: Ah, Phillipinos!
shinohai: BingoBoingo: I hear she needs moar hands, a job for you! https://49.media.tumblr.com/47055c3220254c6644bb5a8ed754c334/tumblr_o0z8mr3PRD1ugsfk7o2_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrD7Lo )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.0005589 = 9.2219 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Notice the darker skin on the dieselbag's legs suggest Beetus is already about to take them.
shinohai: I'm just wondering since she is sitting on the floor if there was a crane handy to help lift her after this photo was made.
BingoBoingo: Probably just kicked it into the rendering pot afterwards.
BingoBoingo: Then estherification and voila, diesel.
shinohai: xD
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Don't go swimming https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/863251
assbot: What was your favorite thing that the fats have ruined? | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrDUMc )
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/C5vfpS4.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrE2eE )
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/oy95l
assbot: I'm sick of the shallow insecure people on this site : depression ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrE46u )
shinohai: There is a public pool just a few streets down from me. So many fat people were there last summer I wondered how all the water wasn't displaced.
punkman: https://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2016/02/cve-2015-7547-glibc-getaddrinfo-stack.html
assbot: Google Online Security Blog: CVE-2015-7547: glibc getaddrinfo stack-based buffer overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrFhL1 )
asciilifeform: ahahahahahahaha
asciilifeform: drep drep drepper
mircea_popescu: awww
mircea_popescu: now that trb no longer uses it, is ok to burn it ?
asciilifeform: apparently
asciilifeform: would've been glorious if they'd fired it first
asciilifeform: empty the prb folks
asciilifeform: but that'd be burning prb, which is a no-no.
asciilifeform: (for anyone who forgot, prb still has hardcoded dns seed etc)
mircea_popescu: #b-a, the driving force behind internet security phenomena. since 2016.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, this should be qntra'd asap.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ALready started
asciilifeform: 'The glibc DNS client side resolver is vulnerable to a stack-based buffer overflow when the getaddrinfo() library function is used. Software using this function may be exploited with attacker-controlled domain names, attacker-controlled DNS servers, or through a man-in-the-middle attack.'
mircea_popescu: see if stackexchange burial team is at battlestations or not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform should be pretty lulzy to read the "never happened and if it did we did it first nayway" verbiage.
asciilifeform: naturally.
asciilifeform: at this point i would be greatly surprised to see anything else.
punkman: "Remote code execution is possible, but not straightforward. It requires bypassing the security mitigations present on the system, such as ASLR. We will not release our exploit code, but a non-weaponized Proof of Concept has been made available"
asciilifeform: 'We would like to thank .... blahblah ... Florian Weimer ...
asciilifeform: ''
asciilifeform: ... and the rest of the glibc team '
asciilifeform: l0l!!
mircea_popescu: left a note in bitcoin-dev for maxilulz.
asciilifeform: 'The vectors to trigger this buffer overflow are very common and can include ssh, sudo, and curl.'
asciilifeform: is anyone still unclear why i did not and still do not want curl in vtron ?!!!!
mircea_popescu: totally, thank the people who put the hole in, it's because of their "hard work" that you have a hole to burn.
mircea_popescu: asshats.
punkman: " The code that causes the vulnerability was introduced in May 2008 as part of glibc 2.9."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that never was the unclear part. didja have a replacement was the unclear part.
asciilifeform: the replacement is manual loading of tarballs from wherever onto the build box.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: a la pgp.
asciilifeform: and the offloading of the built binary, via same.
asciilifeform: from, as i gather, elementary economic calculations, the enemy focuses almost all effort on real-time/net-connected crapola
mircea_popescu: aha
PeterL: asciilifeform wasn't the thing you were describing, 'g', going to be for downloading stuff?
asciilifeform: PeterL: not precisely
asciilifeform: PeterL: it is supposed to be a generic cipherator for tcp tunnel
asciilifeform: but not released yet, and at this rate no idea if even releasable at all, i lack a cipher
asciilifeform: what i wanted was a generic, fits-in-head (a few 1000 lines of c, no deps) stateless, 'protocol-less' cipherator that one could put, e.g., ftp over
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00056335 = 18.8722 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: incidentally, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-01-2015#988950 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2015 04:24:33; asciilifeform: i have a 0.8 node that does crash quarterly or so. bitcoin-msghand[15569]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000blahblah sp 0000blahblahblah error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also recall, i excised not only dns but glibc
asciilifeform: (in case you are thinking of writing this up for qntra etc)
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/02/google-unveils-glibc-dns-client-vulnerability-many-bitcoin-implementations-affected/
assbot: Google Unveils Glibc DNS Client Vulnerability Many Bitcoin Implementations Affected | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrHczf )
BingoBoingo: Currently seeking Corrections!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see above
asciilifeform: ~we nuked glibc entirely~
deedbot-: [Qntra] Google Unveils Glibc DNS Client Vulnerability Many Bitcoin Implementations Affected - http://qntra.net/2016/02/google-unveils-glibc-dns-client-vulnerability-many-bitcoin-implementations-affected/
asciilifeform: (rotor musl build)
asciilifeform: ^ what everybody here, i think, is using at this point
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ~we nuked glibc entirely~ << Nuked the NEED for glibc
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: it no longer need exist on our planet.
asciilifeform: at least after emacs is fixed.
BingoBoingo: But could be built against glibc so I think my wording is correct.
asciilifeform: 'could' even be built on winblowz.
BingoBoingo: But any other corrections before SEO advances?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i would add in your article that the flagship trb boxes are running sans-glibc.
asciilifeform: and have been for many months.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35081 @ 0.00056665 = 19.8786 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Noted, more can be added in comments by the knowlegable
asciilifeform: https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-02/msg00416.html << holy fuck the sheer mass of fecal matter
assbot: Carlos O'Donell - [PATCH] CVE-2015-7547 --- glibc getaddrinfo() stack-based buffer overflo ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrHMwR )
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/qntra/status/699628967024701440
mircea_popescu: nb
mircea_popescu: The reference bitcoind -> The reference Bitcoin
asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11110858
assbot: GLibc remote exploit affects all Bitcoin clients except for one | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrI6f1 )
mircea_popescu: nb.
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/4635y5/glibc_remote_exploit_affects_all_bitcoin_clients/
assbot: GLibc remote exploit affects all Bitcoin clients - except for one. : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrIj1X )
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asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
asciilifeform: guess wat.
asciilifeform: ^ this is a new one for reddit, traditionally they 'shadowban'
mircea_popescu: isn't that standard ?
asciilifeform: nope
mircea_popescu: lol
felipelalli: !s openbsd
assbot: 761 results for 'openbsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=openbsd
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: fxd
mircea_popescu: exciting times.
asciilifeform: would be exciting, if i did not already know how this will go
asciilifeform: e.g., expect massive qntra ddos some time in the next few hrs
asciilifeform: etc.
mircea_popescu: "it is forbidden to suggest solutions to the septic problem that involve any manner of removing shit from the stack"
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not too worried bout that.
asciilifeform: the 'it never happened, and if it did, we had it first' thing has never failed to date.
mircea_popescu: aha. ever-more testing the bounds of insanity, too. it's fun to watch.
asciilifeform: florian weimer et al are 'security professionals' for 'fixing' holes after the fact (self-planted, but who will print this.) whereas we are 'nutters' for removing the cancerous tissue preemptively.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: there is nothing wrong with this.
felipelalli: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384165 << asciilifeform why (about OpenBSD "needs to be helped die") do you think so? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 15:13:09; asciilifeform: in principle, i like the lightweight, pedigreed, and 'hackable on' bsd family, e.g., netbsd. but imho openbsd is something that probably needs to be helped die
asciilifeform: felipelalli: try reading the thread ?
trinque: I read it, did not find it conclusive.
felipelalli: trinque, the same
mircea_popescu: but ask better question than "why do you think so"
asciilifeform: !s openbsd dbus
assbot: 5 results for 'openbsd dbus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=openbsd+dbus
trinque: so you don't like ports
mircea_popescu: in general - if the question you are about to ask could come out of a psychanalist, do yourself the favour and save yourself the wrath.
trinque: this is distinct from talking about openbsd
asciilifeform: trinque: SO THE MOTHERFUCKING OS IS UNUSABLE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00055953 = 16.4502 BTC [-]
trinque: this is absurd
asciilifeform: there is no openbsd sans the ports.
trinque: horse shit; I've built all manner of things myself
asciilifeform: as have i.
asciilifeform: a torn out kernel is not 'openbsd', it is bsd.
asciilifeform: the thing is an ensemble, like gentoo
asciilifeform: and normally used as such.
trinque: do you have a particular vintage of linux kernel you prefer?
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: alf hates the OpenBSD ports turdage which has lots of shitgnomery and the occasional userland shitgnomery
asciilifeform: trinque: vintage is not the right word
trinque: because from where I sit the most recent ones have an obscene amount of "features" bolted on which I do not use
asciilifeform: i have a number of kernels painfully prepared for different boxes
asciilifeform: that are quite entirely different
mircea_popescu: bespokeos
asciilifeform: and each took some days of manual sewing, to produce
asciilifeform: and i imagine most folks here have - same.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> there is no openbsd sans the ports. << The userland is enough for a webserver/firewall/etc box
felipelalli: At least they really care about security. I tried to compile Bitcoin Core in OpenBSD once but I couldn't (in a quick & dirt attempt).
trinque: ^ that much is true, and something I quite like
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand, if i can't build and run emacs and its dependencies, the os is fit for 'bury in concrete' only - e.g., router
asciilifeform: and quite likely not even this
asciilifeform: because whatever prevents a sane emacs build, is likely to interfere with other work
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But for many purposes that's all box needs to do. Emacs up the text somewhere else.
asciilifeform: in the case of openbsd, it is that virtually all of the major ports pull in dbus.
trinque: I can agree readily that's a sin
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is flagrantly unfit for battleship
BingoBoingo: Battle ship and frigate are different boats.
asciilifeform: and in fact its mere inclusion of dbus spoils the entire nominal flavour of 'sane and security-oriented'
trinque: it is whether linux is fit(ter) that I question.
felipelalli: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1406979 << lol mircea! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 16:30:16; mircea_popescu: in general - if the question you are about to ask could come out of a psychanalist, do yourself the favour and save yourself the wrath.
asciilifeform: it is a rat-sized cockroach in a fine restaurant.
asciilifeform: right on my plate.
BingoBoingo: But anyways the enemy here is m:tier specifically
trinque: it causes me to seriously consider producing a ports tree of my own
asciilifeform: trinque: linux (at least a reasonably well-cultivated linux) is ispo facto 'fitter' on account of having the ability to build emacs sans dbus.
asciilifeform: understand, this is NOT negotiable.
trinque: I run without dbus as well, and understand fully why this is a Good Thing
asciilifeform: i was unable even to build most logging demons from ports
asciilifeform: because dbus.
asciilifeform: now the other thing about openbsd is the incident with theo and that microshit flunkie
asciilifeform: the one who approved spitting in mircea_popescu's face after the donation.
asciilifeform: and the one who presides over the 'hackathon' vermin while theo (who is afflicted with some peculiar stockholm syndrome) starves in a garret
mircea_popescu: i would say that openbsd pre 2014 and openbsd post 2014 are entirely unrelated entities.
asciilifeform: this is abundantly clear
mircea_popescu: the tenuous thread of theo's own person is not enough to keep this shit together, because he's too jwz-ish to engage the more important half - politics.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense... lizzards got petrified, moved in, stole it.
mircea_popescu: at least that's my interpretation of events.
BingoBoingo: ALso possible, Theo's wrath bit is losing sensistivity as he ages
asciilifeform: the more interesting question is how they managed to steal it without buying theo
trinque: I can see all this, yet meanwhile linux has hypervisors and keychains and complex abstractions around "namespaces" and "containers" and ...
BingoBoingo: They stole theo's inner circle.
asciilifeform: and the answer likely involves him having been surrounded by quislings for ~years~
asciilifeform: trinque: they are removable
BingoBoingo: Likely starting with the Bob Beck fellow
asciilifeform: this is key.
trinque: asciilifeform: yes, but did they not affect decisions elsewhere in the kernel?
asciilifeform: trinque: certainly
trinque: I have spent countless hours pruning a kernel config
asciilifeform: but there is not ~yet~ a linux kernel equivalent of dbus cancer
asciilifeform: though the systemd folks are working day and night, for this.
trinque: asciilifeform: were the dbusified ports tree otherwise, would that change your assessment of obsd?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the more interesting question is how they managed to steal it without buying theo << this is deeply uninteresting, as it's well documented. see for instance http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/#selection-89.0-89.179
assbot: The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJSkhr )
asciilifeform: trinque: i have nfi what ~else~ is systematically broken
mircea_popescu: the current crop of bois have all the patriotism of a wet noodle.
asciilifeform: only got as far as dbus.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unfortunately the highlight thing displays ~nowhere~ i've tried it on.
asciilifeform: not even crapple!
mircea_popescu: darn.
mircea_popescu: "the young man's father, a smart fellow who has bought hook line and sinker into the theory that satisfying the desires of women is more important than satisfying the needs of men."
asciilifeform: what do i need, to excatate ie6 ?!
asciilifeform: *excavate
mircea_popescu: it similarly works on everything i try, so i dunno. tis sad tho.
mircea_popescu: i really liked the indicating.
asciilifeform: possibly the folks for whom it works, should chime in ?
asciilifeform: re: what browser etc.
asciilifeform: but i still don't get (am i thick?) the point about 'the patriotism' of 'the bois'
mircea_popescu: so ask a q.
asciilifeform: what in this case means patriotism ? who are the bois ?
asciilifeform: where do i even begin
mircea_popescu: the boi, in this case, is theo de radt, but he's not so dissimilar from any other esl speaker.
mircea_popescu: patriotism, in this case, is a willingness to die to defend your territory, as you define it - NOT as some woman defines it.
asciilifeform: waitasec i thought he was from za ?!!
asciilifeform: esL?
mircea_popescu: a fine example in this vein would be the case of a late night trip, during which a drunk hobo on the street started growling, and a random, accountant-looking bypasser yelled him down.
mircea_popescu: esl - english as a single language.
asciilifeform: yeah but is he ?
mircea_popescu: apparently.
asciilifeform did not know this.
mircea_popescu: people can have french loess without being ethnically french. it's a mental illness, not anything else.
asciilifeform: loess?
trinque: the state is the ultimate owner of all property, so they told the bois. how then could anyone possibly have territory?
mircea_popescu: tough.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now think about it : would random usian engage hobo on the grounds that "fuck you, be quiet, you're living on MY street" on the simple grounds of ~having been passing by there~ ?
mircea_popescu: this is patriotism, in perhaps an extreme degree.
asciilifeform: can hardly picture this.
asciilifeform: maybe in 1900.
mircea_popescu: "it's my fucking street, because i am walking on it, and if you wish to be here, you'll play by my rules, all of them, right now"
mircea_popescu: obviously this makes it difficult to office drone.
asciilifeform: it is not only that 'office drone' has no knife and never swung a fist in his life and etc. as mircea_popescu probably imagines. though all of this is true. it is ALSO that the street is NOT HIS
asciilifeform: it is... a hotel.
mircea_popescu: quite.
asciilifeform: 'where is the man who will die for a hotel?'
mircea_popescu: which has its advantages.
mircea_popescu: and... its disadvantages
asciilifeform: i've lived in usa since '92. it remains, to me, a hotel.
asciilifeform: and not the swankiest possible hotel, either.
mircea_popescu: (i am not, as it may appear on the strength of the rarity of such arcane knowledge, proposing that this is some sort of better or ideal solution. it is merely different. lettuce not fall into 1900s orientalism over here.)
asciilifeform: just a 'roach motel.'
mircea_popescu: well... so now you see why exactly i say patriotism. who the fuck dies to defend... 8ball motels ?
asciilifeform: only an idiot
asciilifeform: or, perhaps, owner
mircea_popescu: yeah. meanwhile, as far as usable software is concerned, ownership is both an absolute bar to shitgnomery and as near as i can determine the only workable basis.
mircea_popescu: and so here we are.
mircea_popescu: contrary to what the kids [like to {pretend like they're}] think{ing}, coding ability is a relatively unimportant consideration. political ability, in the very simple sense of a mental capacity for ownership, is the larger half.
asciilifeform: who needs engine, when you have wheels!
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: but elementarily, 'coding ability' as a concept is a lie
asciilifeform: the interesting variable here is the ability to ~select problems~
mircea_popescu: myeah.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00056339 = 19.775 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: (rather than what is normally presented as 'coding ability' in idiot industry, this being - quickly and accurately solving the non-problems posed by non-people)
mircea_popescu: so there you go.
trinque understands better (he thinks) the "keep it" in "a republic, if you can keep it", and also the absurdity of to whom that was supposedly addressed
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: it was said, amusingly... to a woman.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00056665 = 6.7431 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00056767 = 5.2793 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Reality distortion field "Bingo Boingo is 100% totally rational and completely unbiased. He is not at all a shill. Nope." https://archive.is/hNMQ7
assbot: Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability (Includes Core, Classic, and XT) : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20BF6DR )
mircea_popescu: so by this logic they don't believe in "bringing democracy" to various countries, because the people arguing for it are obvious usg shills ?
BingoBoingo: seriously
asciilifeform: imho the enemy simple isn't bleeding enough.
asciilifeform: why should the folks who ran glibc still have coin?
asciilifeform: *simply
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407058 << it never worked for me, which I think i pointed out when it was first deployed. Ironically, I was the inspiration for the select script being included into trilema in the first place. It works for me if I am the one who did the selecting. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 16:43:29; asciilifeform: possibly the folks for whom it works, should chime in ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so weaponize it and collect.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron weird.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform danielpbarron does it work for you on archive.is ?
danielpbarron: if if do the selecting, yes
danielpbarron: if you, i don't know
mircea_popescu: let's try.
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/hNMQ7#selection-2171.7-2171.27
assbot: Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability (Includes Core, Classic, and XT) : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20BFC4I )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: needs seat at network chokepoints.
asciilifeform: (to 'collect')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this link - works
danielpbarron: >> be biased, but this
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is this possibru even.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 407.0, vol: 7801.02754879 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 407.858, vol: 8464.90993 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 407.88, vol: 17914.15908173 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.0, vol: 2.05746269 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 420.11415, vol: 40679.23460000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 407.25999, vol: 713.02806616 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 408.973656, vol: 75.03929666 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 414.360801002
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/#selection-63.0-63.28 ?
assbot: That spiffy selection thing. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK0NBa )
trinque: mircea_popescu: that works over here in chrome
trinque: did not earlier
mircea_popescu: nice!
asciilifeform: still nothing.
asciilifeform: (also box with 'chrome')
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/#selection-39.230-39.420 ?
assbot: House of games on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK3DGz )
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ^
mircea_popescu: and trinque
asciilifeform: works
asciilifeform: but... why ?
BingoBoingo: !up PaulCapestany
BingoBoingo: !up yamamushi
BingoBoingo: Hello PaulCapestany
PaulCapestany: hi
PaulCapestany: sorry, new to this chat, what's the !up about?
PeterL: lets you talk
yamamushi: How does one go about starting out on the WoT ?
BingoBoingo: PaulCapestany: Yes, otherwise you can register a GPG key, introduce yourself, and mebbe voice yourself
BingoBoingo: !help
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
yamamushi: Thanks
BingoBoingo: ^ that way
thestringpuller: the getting started page is a bit easier to follow tho
thestringpuller: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
PeterL: !noob
PaulCapestany: thestringpuller: thanks, checking that out
PeterL: I guess that has not been implemented yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00056778 = 2.6118 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Ah most of the discussion so far is where it is expected https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/463a0r/nearly_all_bitcoin_nodes_affected_by_glibc_dns/
assbot: Nearly All Bitcoin Nodes Affected By Glibc DNS Vulnerability : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK5ScJ )
mircea_popescu: i am proud to announce that a piddle of ddos being currently measured isn't even remotely sufficient.
mircea_popescu: will need moar dakka.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: give'em time, it's lunch hour at ft meade now
mircea_popescu: oic.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407146 >> purple, literotica-level nightmare. At some point, the woman actually says to her friend "this lighter looks like someone gave it to you". They're supposedly refined edumancated women sharin << ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 17:36:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/#selection-39.230-39.420 ?
mircea_popescu: i see "n A Soundstage - Among The Papier Machee, volume 8, and the make-up and blocking... good lord. Mamet's wife has that short cropped "rape & attempted suicide survivor" look sterile women " ;/
mircea_popescu: damn.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00056767 = 14.7594 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up xccxzx
BingoBoingo: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/02/16/1724222/red-hat-google-disclose-severe-glibc-dns-vulnerability-patched-but-widespread
assbot: Red Hat, Google Disclose Severe Glibc DNS Vulnerability; Patched But Widespread - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK77Zr )
BingoBoingo: ^ Qntra linked
trinque: mircea_popescu | asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/#selection-39.230-39.420 ? << works here.
assbot: House of games on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK3DGz )
mircea_popescu: trinque underlines what text ?
trinque: "purple, literotica-level nightmare. At some point, the woman actually says to her friend "this lighter looks like someone gave it to you". They're supposedly refined edumancated women sharin"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189033 @ 0.00056781 = 107.3348 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: i see same on ff
mircea_popescu: aite then!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the blackout re: trb is more or less total, don't expect miracles
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Miracles. No. Just slowly building a history. This is how samizdat werkz nao.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you never said, does trilema selection as updated work for you asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: in last link - worked
asciilifeform: in, e.g., http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/#selection-89.0-89.179 - still does not
assbot: The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJSkhr )
mircea_popescu: possibly because cached page ?
asciilifeform: reload did not fix.
mircea_popescu: that's bizarre, they're all fed from the same place.
asciilifeform: nfi!
mircea_popescu: how about http://trilema.com/2016/the-top-3-best-self-introductions-in-bitcoin-assets-to-date/#selection-83.0-85.4
assbot: The top 3 best self-introductions in #bitcoin-assets to date on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK9vzr )
asciilifeform: displays.
asciilifeform: 'ReutersEmily Huh'
mircea_popescu: ha!
mircea_popescu: i'm calling it good.
asciilifeform: i suspect multiline doesn't work.
asciilifeform: because we had this thread before
asciilifeform: and 2-3 word examples mircea_popescu posts, work
asciilifeform: but the real thing - not.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-worm/#selection-35.47-43.123 ?
assbot: The worm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK9StM )
asciilifeform: works...
asciilifeform: odd.
trinque: browsers can at times be exceedingly impolite when told to refresh.
mircea_popescu: ^
BingoBoingo: !up PaulCapestany
BingoBoingo: !up yamamushi
thestringpuller: I would like to see a rating of webpage compatibility based on how usable it is in lynx or links
asciilifeform: this is reasonably machine-calculable.
asciilifeform: score based on absence of web20isms.
punkman: "works without javascript" is the important part, which is hard to calculate with machine
punkman: because I don't care whether it has 150 embedded webfonts . since I'm not loading them
deedbot-: [Qntra] Markets Favoring Man Over Machine In Upcoming Go Match - http://qntra.net/2016/02/markets-favoring-man-over-machine-in-upcoming-go-match/
mircea_popescu: no js is a reasonable proxy.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 406.17, vol: 8171.76179679 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 407.31, vol: 9123.2063 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 406.49, vol: 18764.66928457 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.0, vol: 1.62006337 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 419.983675, vol: 40585.68040000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 405.915, vol: 788.53483152 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 409.58487, vol: 79.22826827 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 413.615274557
mircea_popescu: in somewhat other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/37d7f9a17c8ca34763f83b0ded799989/tumblr_nlrq6wqpmH1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oezfx8 )
PaulCapestany: BingoBoingo hey, I registered my gpg key, apparently I need someone to rate me now?
mircea_popescu: !rate PaulCapestany 1 new blood
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/41ed47cd56f437d9
BingoBoingo: congrats
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.PaulCapestany.1:26e03f3f8070a43066e1e713b353905300404f25e96aae5814beef6d548bcd27
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for PaulCapestany with note: new blood
PeterL: PaulCapestany who are you? What brings you here?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00055971 = 18.9182 BTC [-] {3}
PaulCapestany: mircea_popescu thanks for the rating
PaulCapestany: PeterL I just kept hearing this IRC channel mentioned in various places, figured I'd check it out
asciilifeform: PaulCapestany: which places ?
phf: nsa.slack.com
asciilifeform: l0l!
PeterL: I just got this email at work: "In celebration of receiving a shipment of Baboon semen please enjoy a cream filled treat in the kitchen."
BingoBoingo: !b 1
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HZW5RK.txt )
mircea_popescu: lol PeterL
mircea_popescu: nice to work with people with a sense of homour
PeterL: "homour" - some sort of mesh of "homo" and "humour"?
mircea_popescu: :)
mircea_popescu: just a little strategic dyslexia
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: *buried* on hn apparently
asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise.
asciilifeform: i don't think i'll bother posting there again.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I think our friend Rober V has alf hellbanned or something.
BingoBoingo: A wild Maxwell appears https://archive.is/7yuoi
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKk3OW )
punkman: http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran/Israels-rash-behavior-blew-operation-to-sabotage-Irans-computers-US-officials-say-444970
assbot: Exclusive: Israel’s rash behavior blew operation to sabotage Iran’s computers, US officials say - Middle East - Jerusalem Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKk9WT )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137450 @ 0.00056794 = 78.0634 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35569281 inspiration for trb :D
assbot: Why is the UK still printing its laws on vellum? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKkM2E )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: every time trb is mentioned on reddit, i see this crud re: 'important fixes.'
asciilifeform: what, precisely ?
asciilifeform: the prb folks never fail to disgorge this line
asciilifeform: but what are they talking about ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Luke-JR claimed that a rogue miner could push TRB nodes with blocks that aren't valid and fool them.
thestringpuller: But that seems not to be feasible in the wild.
punkman: hard to figure this out since they didn't note them in changelogs
punkman: or even commit messages
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I guess Luke-jr generalized it as "doesn't enforce softforks thus insecure"
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: link ?
thestringpuller: one second
punkman: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures
assbot: Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/20BX1u5 )
asciilifeform: punkman: quite useless page
asciilifeform: (none of the items mentioned therein match thestringpuller's description)
asciilifeform: what am i missing ?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: he was never actually even in their wot as far as i can tell
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> A wild Maxwell appears << it's not "i've asked some of the vagrants i know and they agree <insert random idiocy>" all over again, is it ?
punkman: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVE-2013-2293 sounds like the blackholing thing, maybe
assbot: CVE-2013-2293 - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/20BXZX7 )
shinohai: "The developers of that software put out a bounty to murder one of the developers of Bitcoin Core. Needless to say, no one sane will go anywhere near them." <<< KEK
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> mircea_popescu ? <<< you know, if you ask obama what exactly is his contribution past blind tom wiggins he'll also say "important security fixes". it is somehow inadherent to the common mentality of usians to flatly admit "nothing really - i'm just a nigger slave singing for massah, nothing changed in two centuries."
mircea_popescu: so they gotta pretend there's this mystical reservoir of metaphysics that'll readily provide differentiation qs.
asciilifeform: suspected as much.
punkman: did the power rangers ever find a remote code execution vuln?
asciilifeform: punkman: ~created~ plenty
mircea_popescu: we found them, then "they found them first".
asciilifeform: gotta understand how 'finding vulns' actually works.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller luke-jr also claimed bfl delivered his order. then it turned out it was a "prototype" and outright payola.
asciilifeform: generally it is a process resembling apiculture. no one individually orders a bee to pollinate a particular plant. bees - are introduced, do their thing. likewise dreppers.
mircea_popescu: he's a well known liar, next you're going to what, tell me what karpeles said ?
mircea_popescu: <shinohai> "The developers of that software put out a bounty to murder one of the developers of Bitcoin Core. Needless to say, no one sane will go anywhere near them." <<< KEK << needless to say, no one "sane" for that definition of sane has anything of any value or interest to offer, to anyone.
ben_vulpes: lol who said that
shinohai: For an extra 1 BTC we could erase MAxwell too!
asciilifeform: incidentally, who remembers how kennedy put $1 on fidel castro's head ?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, castro's dollar bought more kennedy than kennedy's dollar bought castro.
asciilifeform: (legend has it that some former fucktoy of castro's got as far as his office, in hopes of claiming bounty, he handed her a pistol himself, 'do it', she did not)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14065 @ 0.00055638 = 7.8255 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407285 << 'Note that the attacker does not need to sign the inputs nor to have the full block-chain to perform the attack. He only requires the hashes of all previous transactions...' << why not check the sigs ~first~, before fetching anything ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 19:18:49; punkman: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVE-2013-2293 sounds like the blackholing thing, maybe
asciilifeform: handy kill.
phf: "important fixes" is the equivalent of "here be dragons" from medieval cartography
mircea_popescu: more like the equivalent of "domestic bliss" from the lulzy institution of singles-marriage.
mircea_popescu: that enchanted thing that never existed except in retrospect, when some derp is complaining to the judge that someone else "ruined it".
mircea_popescu: except if it were actually present, no "ruining" would have been possible
asciilifeform: incidentally i see no reason why any trb node ought to allow a tx (mempool, vs in-block) to consume more cpu time than it took to receive from the nic.
asciilifeform: as per the 'nobody gets jack shit just for showing up' law.
asciilifeform: ultimately, there are precisely two kinds of possible bitcoin node:
asciilifeform: 1) the kind that processes ALL INPUTS at LINE SPEED
asciilifeform: 2) the kind that is behind impenetrable and entirely nonpublic wall, a la gossipd, and deals only with cryptoidentifiable peers.
asciilifeform: tertium non datur.
asciilifeform: of course this is a trick question, because presently no box on the net is a (1)
asciilifeform: except possibly for a disconnected one.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: yea I can't find it. i don't feel like wasting more time on it. he basically just said, "This client is forked from out of date thing which is insecure cause rogue miner blah blah blah"
ben_vulpes: punkman: jpost bit is plarious
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: snore.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407297 << on that note, one time in his #yandere channel he lied about whether he was the yandere or not, and killed everyone :< ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 19:24:38; mircea_popescu: he's a well known liar, next you're going to what, tell me what karpeles said ?
punkman: ;;ud plarious
gribble: Google found nothing.
danielpbarron: when i play games in which i might be a secret bad guy type thing, I still don't lie about it. I just don't say anything one way or the other. This means not talking too much even as one of the good guys, so it won't look out of place when I'm a bad guy
ben_vulpes: punkman: pretty hilarious
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: yandere?
danielpbarron: a bot randomly assigns roles to anyone who wants to play, at least one of which is a murder guy called the 'yandere'
danielpbarron: the good guys have to figure out who he is over the course of days and nights. The yandere can optionally kill people at night
punkman: also known as "werewolf" or "mafia"
danielpbarron: there's lots of similar games; I prefer one called "The Resistance"
danielpbarron: where there are opponents of an oppresive distopian government as good guys, and goverment agent spies as bad guys trying to sabotage the missions
danielpbarron: requires a minimum of 5 players though, so it's nearly impossible to play
asciilifeform: i think we play this here...
punkman: heh
danielpbarron: !b 5
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/36GHHD3.txt )
danielpbarron: how does this bash command work? is that automatically submitted to b.b-a.link or am I supposed to use that dpaste to submit it manually?
punkman: it's submitted
danielpbarron: ah, cool
danielpbarron: !up grahvity|||
mircea_popescu: "* An example of Red Hat's "find and fix the whole issue, not just the obvious part", is shell shock. After the initial CVE for shell shock, several people proposed different ways of fixing it. Florian was one, he quickly worked on it and released a proposed patch. Over the next few days there were three MORE CVEs for shell shock, covering different variations on the same theme. Florian's initial patch covered all of t
mircea_popescu: hem, including the ones that hadn't been fully characterized when he proposed it. His approach was approved by general consensus and that's what we all use today - partly because he put in the time and effort to fix the broader issue, not just the specific case that had been identified. This approach means that sometimes it takes Red Hat a while to release a fix, but when they do, it's the right fix."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33845 @ 0.00055631 = 18.8283 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: apparently a nude statemet of "florian werner knew exactly what the hole was, to an extent larger than what was at the time specified" doesn't coalesce into "holy shit, florian weimer puts the security holes in there!"
mircea_popescu: why not ? how did he know ?
mircea_popescu: "security fixes!"
mircea_popescu: "hard work". bla-bla.
mircea_popescu: intentional self-castration is a helluva thing.
asciilifeform: brain-melting.
mircea_popescu: one ray morris.
asciilifeform: same story as, e.g., heartbleed.
mircea_popescu: notrly.
asciilifeform: in the sense that b-a was the only publicly-visible hole in the 'consensus reality'
mircea_popescu: a, in that sense. yeah.
davout: ohai all
thestringpuller: hai davout
asciilifeform: hi davout
shinohai: o/ davout
asciilifeform: how's life among the minarets of al-paris ?
davout: noisy five times a day
asciilifeform: i saw a fella kneel down towards mecca on a sheet of ice, last weekend
asciilifeform: mega-dedication.
davout: old, but related http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2011/08/30/toujours-pas-de-solution-pour-mettre-un-terme-aux-prieres-de-rue-a-paris_1565538_3224.html
assbot: Toujours pas de solution pour mettre un terme aux prières de rue à Paris ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjtdTF )
davout: anyway, the glibc dns drama seems to be yielding large amounts of lulz and butthurt
davout: "we can't remove this thing from our code because it breaks some unnecessary feature, also random reasons maybe" <-> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46354z/most_bitcoin_clients_affected_by_glibc_dns/d027oy0
assbot: nullc comments on Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjto19 )
shinohai: maxwell is butthurt beyond words.
shinohai apply to butthurt: ( ::: [ ] ::: )
thestringpuller: ^-- that looks like an anus
davout: mircea_popescu: care to x.eur pl0x?
PeterL: thestringpuller are those freckles or pimples?
mircea_popescu: o hey there.
mircea_popescu: yeah on it.
mircea_popescu: davout feel free to remind them that they can keep whatever gunk they like in their IRRELEVANT distro. bitcoin foundation has bitcoin covered, nobody needs them for any purpose.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44417 @ 0.00056656 = 25.1649 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: shinohai> maxwell is butthurt beyond words. << feel free to link him to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407284 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 19:17:04; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> A wild Maxwell appears << it's not "i've asked some of the vagrants i know and they agree <insert random idiocy>" all over again, is it ?
mircea_popescu: this "experts" bullshit never gets old.
mircea_popescu: when will redditards learn that YOU DO NOT SPEAK AGAINST THE REPUBLIC ?
asciilifeform: our of curiosity, anybody know what maxwell does for a living ?
asciilifeform: *out of
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "for a living" ?
mircea_popescu: he eats the government cheese, just like everyone else in ebt land.
asciilifeform: but ~which~ cheese.
mircea_popescu: you know, the stuff they give for free at walmart ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20023 @ 0.00056795 = 11.3721 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: prolly not literally ?
mircea_popescu: ever met a 40 yo phd ?
mircea_popescu: yes literally.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: met hundreds
mircea_popescu: !up stec
Stec: oh, nice
Stec: hello all of
mircea_popescu: hi. who're you ?
Stec: Bitcoin enthusiast from Russia
punkman: asciilifeform: works at blockstream iirc
Stec: I have 5 full node
asciilifeform: punkman: ty. i suspected something of the kind.
mircea_popescu: Stec are you running trb on them ?
Stec: trb?
mircea_popescu: the real bitcoin. as opposed to the pr-bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: Stec http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << especially the mailing list.
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )
BingoBoingo: My the logs accumulate after steppign away from the screen just a bit.
Stec: I think to install one
mircea_popescu: go for it. with the scripts mod6 provides it's a breeze
Stec: accidentally found trb
mircea_popescu: and iirc he was looking for more testers.
Stec: 5 nodes running on bitcoin core
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey, knc is firing people.
Stec: what an idea trb?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Where? Did the stabbing go to far? WHy are they brining guns into this?
Stec: clean code Satoshi
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well in the good tradition of shitcorps, they're opaque as mud, but apparently 20 or so.
mircea_popescu: Stec also get registered with assbot
mircea_popescu: !h
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
Stec: what an idea trb?
shinohai: Stec: http://thebitcoin.foundation
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You got a submission with your knc truefax?
mircea_popescu: notrly
asciilifeform: Stec: рекомендую познакомиться с исходиками trb, не пожалеешь
BingoBoingo: K, I found a source in Swedish
Stec: Я так понимаю задумка этого проекта это чистый код от Satoshi
mircea_popescu: pretty much yes.
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asciilifeform: Stec: не совсем - вылечили некоторые глюки, и убрали всякое лишнее
Stec: Разве команда Bitcoin core отходит от задумки Satoshi
asciilifeform: Stec: шутишь ?
thestringpuller: ит от задумки Satoshi
Stec: XT отходит от задумки
thestringpuller: oops.
Stec: Classic тоже
mircea_popescu: why do you suppose "the ideas of satoshi" are of any particular interest anyway ? or whatever is this.
Stec: погодите ребята, я не пойму. Я всегда думал что разработчики Core были только за идею Satoshi
mircea_popescu: what is "the satoshi idea" ?
jurov: ;;ticker --market bitcoin-central --currency eur
gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 365.1, Best ask: 370.96, Bid-ask spread: 5.86000, Last trade: 370.8, 24 hour volume: 76.79598587, 24 hour low: 353.02, 24 hour high: 370.84, 24 hour vwap: 365.74033294
Stec: Использовать единые правила, не делать хардфорки
asciilifeform: Stec: 'core' под пиндосским колпаком года 4-5
Stec: парни из classic делают разкол в сети
Stec: Раскол сети, это же плохо зачем нужны вообще форки в 2 мегабайта
deedbot-: [Qntra] KncMiner Cuts Of 20% Of Employees - http://qntra.net/2016/02/kncminer-cuts-of-20-of-employees/
Stec: двойная трата
Stec: Так значит Core и вся команда уже не следует постулатам Satoshi
Stec: trb не форк?
punkman: BingoBoingo: > "compromising 20% of their workforce"
asciilifeform: Stec: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407433 << ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 21:13:52; asciilifeform: Stec: не совсем - вылечили некоторые глюки, и убрали всякое лишнее
BingoBoingo: punkman: ty, fxd used to using the other word more
asciilifeform: Stec: а в остальном - 0.5.3
Stec: Это же очень старая версия
Stec: но она чистая, я так понял
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo plox to make the link to "you dare offend mp with your inept posturing, you die" point.
Stec: у меня ноды работают все на 11.2
mircea_popescu: mayhap it helps some other idiots somewhere down the line.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I forget where did kncminer offend you. I'm juggling all the things right nao.
asciilifeform: Stec: после 0.5.3 - 'core' == торжество вредителей
thestringpuller: "yay lets work for this bitcoin company" ---- 5 months later ----> "oh no I got laid off!"
Stec: Я готов выделить пару серверов для trb
asciilifeform: anybody got a link to mod6's guide handy ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo weren't they one of the "supporters" of random forks ?
Stec: Вы думаете Core со временем угробит Bitcoin
Stec: Разве разработчики из Classic не сделают это раньше
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16486 @ 0.00056766 = 9.3584 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Who even knows anymore, but until the Pete Relations firm opens up shoop I'm trying to juggle all of the propaganda myself. I might add it if I see it or if you find it first perhaps comment it up.
BingoBoingo: Comments seems like fine place for gloating.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, not ot be an asshole, but anything past brief inserts is pretty noisy to anyone but the select few who happen to read the language/
BingoBoingo: !up Stec
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my work is done
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski seriously you gotta get on this MiniTruth business
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: fella says he wants to try trb.
asciilifeform: needs recipe.
Stec: I'm sorry, I would like to speak English but I know it is bad
thestringpuller: What is MiniTruth again?
thestringpuller: !s minitruth
assbot: 3 results for 'minitruth' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=minitruth
asciilifeform: Stec: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin
assbot: the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW )
Stec: Спасибо
jurov: thestringpuller: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PropagandaMachine?from=Main.TheMinistryOfTruth
assbot: Propaganda Machine - TV Tropes ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqfkkR )
Stec: asciilifeform откуда вы?
asciilifeform: Stec: 'мой адрес - не дом и не улица, мой адрес - советский союз' (TM) (R)
asciilifeform: let's try to stick to eng.
Stec: hah, ok
jurov: heh, советский человек ftw!
asciilifeform: Stec: let us know if you have any problem building trb.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-01-2016#1371728 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 21:09:08; thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: KNC miner also committed as well.
mircea_popescu: should be a pretty good entry.
Stec: I have no problem to install a couple of three servers
BingoBoingo: Ah, you mean the fork where they said every pool had committed and Antminer was the only sucker who actually did?
mircea_popescu: great opportunity to improve your english also Stec :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, this was the "classic" fork.
asciilifeform: Stec: start by building the code. we don't distribute binaries.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrh5atJHWs1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjxVAA )
asciilifeform: Stec: you need gcc on any reasonable unix. that's all. trb will build a new compiler, and with it will build itself.
phf: we have replace all bitcoin crypto with GOST 28147-89, next step own koi8-r cyrillic based c++ translator
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yes, the classic fork where they advertise pretty much everyone but F2Pool on their page even today and many of the pools have since fucked off
asciilifeform: phf: don't forget the built in volkov kommander !11
BingoBoingo: But yes will add a note because 2 for 1 lulz
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aha.
mircea_popescu: is volkov how you say norton in sputnik ?
asciilifeform: http://www.softpanorama.org/OFM/Paradigm/Ch03/volkov_commander.shtml << believe or not
assbot: Volkov Commander - a masterpiece of assembler programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjy6Mn )
phf: send transaction by copy f6 from left tab to right tab
mircea_popescu: lol
Stec: you would know how I found you by accident, to the list of connected nodes
mircea_popescu: did we do the "xtg ruled" thing last time or not rly ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They still list Bitfury even though Bitfury led the "Let's all pull up our pants before MP gets here effort.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo considering they have no reputations or anything similar, they'll prolly list alf there next.
asciilifeform: l0lwutg
BingoBoingo: seriously.
mircea_popescu: mhm.
danielpbarron: i made two comments on the /r/bitcoin redditard thing and they don't appear from archive.is point of view ; I think i recall a moderator explaining to me that my comments in particular require moderator approval
mircea_popescu: you be special!
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: make more accounts, reddit doesn't check that you use different browsers on the same machine to talk to yourself and make a one man lulz train
BingoBoingo: It's what the Phillipinos do
danielpbarron: that's not my style
danielpbarron: i won't even rejoin irc channels from which i have been simply kicked (not banned)
mircea_popescu: why would you.
danielpbarron: they can come apologize to me if they want me back
BingoBoingo: Hey, I'm just pointing out the limits of the broken
BingoBoingo: Reddit was made exactly for the Phillipino sort of astroturf spammer
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/02/kncminer-cuts-of-20-of-employees/ << and updated
assbot: KncMiner Cuts Of 20% Of Employees | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjyRF3 )
Stec: Classic 1000 is already connected nodes
Stec: https://bitnodes.21.co/dashboard/
assbot: 24-hour Charts - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjyTwP )
BingoBoingo: Stec: And a lot of them are on free AWS instances
Stec: I agree
Stec: To make it appear
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Update: KncMiner is also one of the many mining operations listed to this day as supporting the ClassicCoin fork (along with Bitfury, which led the backpedalling effort after it became obvious Classiccoin does not have nor can acquire the support of key players in the market.)" ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test-builds/v0.5.4/amd64/bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST2.tar.gz << unzip, ./build_bitcoin.sh, make tea
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LWHUHv )
ben_vulpes: but omg pulls from net
Stec: They outweigh the bulk of the total of connected nodes, and will split
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty, fxd
BingoBoingo: Stec: I've only ever had 2 maximum classic nodes connected to any of mine at the same time.
shinohai: You must use a samovar to make the tea though, if you skip that step your bitcoind may function erratically.
Stec: Samovar, hah
Stec: Самовар это отличная штука
Stec: Частенько сапогом его раздувал
danielpbarron: and you need a slithy tove to make a samovar, and those are very hard to come by
shinohai: ^^
mircea_popescu: lol
Stec: :D
BingoBoingo: What is this samovar business. Real men Just throw lithium ion cells into their water with the tea leaves and a dash of salt.
BingoBoingo: "vent with fire"
Stec: hahha
BingoBoingo: !up Stec
shinohai: !s http://www.knownaija.com/ibm-has-just-open-sourced-44000-lines-of-blockchain-code-on-github/
assbot: IBM has just open-sourced 44,000 lines of blockchain code on GitHub | KnowNaija ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjA67q )
assbot: 0 results for 'http://www.knownaija.com/ibm-has-just-open-sourced-44000-lines-of-blockchain-code-on-github/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.knownaija.com%2Fibm-has-just-open-sourced-44000-lines-of-blockchain-code-on-github%2F
mod6: there may be problems here: <+asciilifeform> Stec: let us know if you have any problem building trb.
mod6: these instructions are out of date
mircea_popescu: are 44k lines of crap better than merely 34k lines of crap ?
phf: BingoBoingo: there's basically a ru equivalent of throwing lion cells, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/7/7d/Кипятильник.JPG
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjAiDH )
asciilifeform: phf: you can get these in usa
asciilifeform: i have one.
mod6: this is the script that should be run to build: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XqjVEO )
mod6: Stec: ^
phf: asciilifeform: i'm having trouble finding one that doesn't burn out
Stec: ok
BingoBoingo: phf: That just gets hot, doesn't vent fire
trinque: shinohai: reads like they redid ethereum
shinohai: trinque: yup, they figured out it is utter shit so they open sauced and hope someone can fix it.
BingoBoingo: phf: Looks a lot like "engine block heater" pretty common in mod6's corner of USia
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46354z/most_bitcoin_clients_affected_by_glibc_dns/d02dax4 << lulzy
assbot: ScatoshiNukamoto comments on Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDB8Yp )
ben_vulpes: > blockchain suit
ben_vulpes: > suit
ben_vulpes: wut
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: and the land of the lounge lizzards!
trinque: sounds like a sweet suit
ben_vulpes: wrap me in blocks
ben_vulpes: chain me to sleep
ben_vulpes: carbonate my foes
thestringpuller: carbonate ben_vulpes enemies into a nice ginger ale
thestringpuller: enemies tears*
BingoBoingo: What about gingering ale? https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zUPbl80n6v8/TexCrpVpzfI/AAAAAAAAB7k/sQyj6BPhXRw/s1600/Ginger_Finger_for_Figging.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjBC9s )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73748 @ 0.00055854 = 41.1912 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: drop enemies into centrifuge
ben_vulpes: reduce to liquid
ben_vulpes: pipe liquid into biodiesel reactor
ben_vulpes: burn for electricity
ben_vulpes: centrifuge next derp
ben_vulpes: repeat
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: are you familiar with the infamous mouse table ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#982994 << it ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2015 05:00:20; asciilifeform: http://gizmodo.com/5146254/mousetrap-coffee-table-uses-its-victims-for-fuel
asciilifeform: ^ afaik, the first carnivorous robot
ben_vulpes: aha
asciilifeform: if ben_vulpes just woke up, he's in for a mega-log
asciilifeform: or hm nm
thestringpuller: it's like 9am hippie-ville time
danielpbarron: oh hey my reddit comments got approved! waddayaknow
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm just going to skip over all the rutalk
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not missing much
ben_vulpes: also, did symbolics make an awesome spreadsheet editor?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why would you need a spreadshit on a box where you can dynamically conjure a porthole into $arbitrarydatum onto the display ?
mircea_popescu: because.
mircea_popescu: you don't understand women, alfie.
asciilifeform: waiwut?!
mircea_popescu: you expect excel spread sheets are a UTILITY ?
asciilifeform: aha?
mircea_popescu: mno.
asciilifeform: and if used as 'boss screen', can make one wherever?
mircea_popescu: they are a security.
mircea_popescu: they exist to assuage existential anxiety as experienced by females.
asciilifeform: is this still called 'boss screen' or am i behind the times.
mircea_popescu: nothing to do with that.
asciilifeform: then i have nfi?
mircea_popescu: it's not fear. it's anxiety.
asciilifeform: what anxiety ? why females
mircea_popescu: anxiety is a subjective experience of loss of control. tends to be females because of accidents of their anatomy leave a mark in the early psyche.
mircea_popescu: but boys can be taught to live in the same terms np, and plenty do.
mircea_popescu: (george costanza's famous "Ear puberty, nose puberty, knuckle puberty. You gotta be vigilant!" is quite a fine example in that vein.
asciilifeform: even with this,
asciilifeform: more effective number diddler ought to give stronger illusion of control ?
mircea_popescu: not really, the control isn't over the interaction of numbers. the control is over the possibilities of existence.
mircea_popescu: the more powerful the tool actually is, the more it exposes possibilities, necessarily. and perversely, the more threatening it is to the typical she-office drone.
mircea_popescu: note the acceptance of computers in society as an exact mirror of the use of windows and apple. it's a thing.
asciilifeform: 'visicalc' was a hyperbestseller before all of this, no ?
asciilifeform: ~1mil copies iirc
mircea_popescu: what's 1mn ?
asciilifeform: just the ones ~paid for~
mircea_popescu: if you couldn't find a million not-outright-insane individuals the species would be in serious trouble huh ?
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing the top 1mn here.
asciilifeform: !s visicalc
assbot: 0 results for 'visicalc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=visicalc
mircea_popescu: we're discussing the bottom five billion.
asciilifeform: y'know, the first electronic spread-shit
asciilifeform: http://bricklin.com/visicalc.htm << author's www
assbot: VisiCalc: Information from its creators, Dan Bricklin and Bob Frankston ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjEXFv )
mircea_popescu: at about the same time, most dudes with computer knowledge were trying to get their so/fuckdoll/cook to try computers, and dollars to donuts she said no because what if she breaks it, and he assured her she can't break it, being the idiot that he was, and that assurance didn't do anything.
thestringpuller: visicalc is the greatest thing ever tho
asciilifeform: https://archive.org/details/a2_VisiCalc_1984_Software_Arts << runable (!)
assbot: VisiCalc : Software Arts : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjF1oR )
mircea_popescu: because of the unspoken "but what if IT breaks ME, you won't fix ME will you".
thestringpuller: proves 100% that excel is the biggest turd ever marketed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i confess that i haven't the faintest notion what is meant here
mircea_popescu: but ask a question! what error message is this!
asciilifeform: what kind of animal says 'what if it breaks me!'
asciilifeform: am i just not enough zoophiliac?!
mircea_popescu: ~unspoken~
mircea_popescu: must read all the words!
asciilifeform: make that 'what kind of animal unspokenly moos...'
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/pets/dog-gets-credit-for-stopping-sexual-assault-in-southeast-missouri/article_99c85664-c858-5d43-b4b1-effa3ebe5210.html
assbot: Dog gets credit for stopping sexual assault in southeast Missouri : Lifestyles ... ( http://bit.ly/1mGdoIE )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine they'd also have a face you don't care for.
asciilifeform: was thinking this also.
asciilifeform: 'i would not, could not, in the zoo! i would not, could not, with a moo'
mircea_popescu: and why not ?
mircea_popescu: gets slippery all the same.
asciilifeform: i haven't a good why. why won't mircea_popescu do short chicks ?
asciilifeform: goats ?
asciilifeform: chickens ?
mircea_popescu: i confess i actually did a chick that was short and otherwise built entirely like a 12 boy. well, minus the penis, but boobs as big as mine et al.
mircea_popescu: so... don't laugh at the goat, you never know when you'll be riding one.
mircea_popescu is kinda half-expecting bb to marry 300lb worth of love.
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: actually her boob is on trilema somewhere
BingoBoingo remembers that one from the logs, the annoying one with Candidiasis.
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?!
asciilifeform: anyway my point was not to make fun of the predicament of zoophiliacs, but to confess that i am mostly ignorant of these
asciilifeform: i have nfi what it is really like to have a moo in the house, in the bed.
asciilifeform: and how anyone lives with this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me ask you this, would you prefer a bricked phone to a phone that randomly starts beeping and running interference with your display ?
asciilifeform: i imagine this is how castration cults are born.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: brick.
mircea_popescu: so there's your explanation.
mircea_popescu: "at least the stupid one shuts up."|
asciilifeform: does it ?!
mircea_popescu: yeah. stupid people are never given enough credit. they're broadly speaking pliable, reliable and altogether pleasant.
asciilifeform: in my experience, stupid more or less == 'won't shut up without physical gag'
mircea_popescu: it's mediocre people that have been miseducated that are unbearable.
mircea_popescu: nfwis.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wait wut ?! << The SSBBW who did the pay for tits thing on Trilema and kept popping up in channel for a while trying to peddle more pictures of fold mold.
shinohai: LOL
shinohai: I missed that, a fattie on trilema?
mircea_popescu: da fuck ?!
asciilifeform: l0lwut
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/#comment-113390
assbot: I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mGefZN )
shinohai: I have seen 3 whale dominatrices on reddit that accept Bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: You mean dominmayos
shinohai: :D
mircea_popescu: lol i completely forgot that.
shinohai: pete_dushenski, just the gentleman I wished to see ...
pete_dushenski: o ?
shinohai: was wondering what height your node was at ...
shinohai: and if you were still experiencing any disconnects?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: A severe anti-optimization of drunkeness is where one doesn't get to pick the parts they remeber.
mircea_popescu: lol i bet.
pete_dushenski: shinohai: strangely, almost unprecedentedly, the 99996_2 node is running very smoothly atm. it's at 334k. the difference ? only -connect to a single node instead of 3-5.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407477 << how can i be of service ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 21:28:51; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski seriously you gotta get on this MiniTruth business
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: wait which one was she on the update list?
thestringpuller: none of those girls look like fat people
shinohai: Mine barfed earlier but has been running fine abt 3 hrs. 316516 height
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407467 << http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 21:26:21; asciilifeform: anybody got a link to mod6's guide handy ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XqjVEO )
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2016#1407666 << ehehehe ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 22:49:54; asciilifeform: 'i would not, could not, in the zoo! i would not, could not, with a moo'
thestringpuller: would you like some more gnu?
pete_dushenski: i guess guide != script eh
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2015#1081554 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2015 22:56:16; SquirtPrincess: http://imgur.com/MwtIflI
pete_dushenski: iz gone
trinque: link's even staler than before
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/8b5hM << qntra on top of buttcoin. lulz in itself!
assbot: Buttcoin: backed by gold, comedy gold! ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjH4sW )
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You know... whatever you planned to do
mircea_popescu: congrats to all the shills.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: I think it was deleted
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Happens rather frequently compared to /r/bitcoin
pete_dushenski: shinohai: my host also just sent me an email apologising for their recent performance and offering next month free as compensation, so i wouldn't be surprised if that was causing the auto-deaths at least.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo which is the free speech one ?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Your eyes should be thankful
thestringpuller: LOL
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: /r/btc
BingoBoingo: the /r/BTC is roger VERified
thestringpuller: all who do not accept bitcoin jesus as their cryptolord and savior are ostracized
shinohai: The top two comments on r/btc are tweets from A.A. Is this Russia Today now?
BingoBoingo: Yes
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i planned things now ? hm. best re-read those logs. particularly http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-09-2015#1288874 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2015 19:36:25; pete_dushenski: ima mull it over and research a little further into this 'pr' business
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, your adoring pubic is waiting for a decision Lebron.
pete_dushenski: needless to say, i've been poking at it. still not 100% convinced.
pete_dushenski: don't make me have a prime time tv press conpherence
BingoBoingo: Maybe start some dry test runs? Force a meme or something?
pete_dushenski: i'd consider those letters i wrote to peck and lee as 'dry test runs' but mebbe not enough forced meme!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48052 @ 0.00055889 = 26.8558 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: from the mines, "The [core] reference client isn't reallly intended to be used as a wallet. It's more for nodes and miners. Use hardware wallets, or electrum, or basically anything other than core for a wallet. If you're running core, just think of it as a node your more secure wallet connects to."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00055704 = 26.1809 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00056173 = 24.9408 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: antpool jacks all hashpower for classiccoin blocks
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: We spell it AA without the periods
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00055632 = 30.0413 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: aok
shinohai: poor mats, he is using irccloud
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42370 @ 0.0005638 = 23.8882 BTC [+] {3}
shinohai: !rate BingoBoingo 2 Thank you for help with first Qntra submission.
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