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assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 22:07:49; gabriel_laddel: MP is on the verge of understanding.
assbot: Logged on 23-05-2015 07:11:21; mircea_popescu: seems the sort of meta-prograsmming task for which lisp was invented anyway. keep your code as a s-expr of the code you deliver.
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trinque: gabriel_laddel | trinque: yeah, so fyi there is no obvious way to add the docstring to eldoc << thanks for the crack at it
trinque: might be easier for me to forget about eldoc and try writing what I actually want from scratch
gabriel_laddel: trinque: well, you could do that, but it will interact with eldoc and slime-autodoc
trinque: yes that might be the right way; I'm not in a position where I feel I know the best way yet.
trinque: I want two things, at any point I want to know what I have available to me in the context I'm in
trinque: I want to have that broken apart into sensible categories of action, a tree structure of sorts from the current point outward to wherever else I might go
gabriel_laddel: :/ I know. Climacs is the inevitable conclusion. Doing the elisp dance around the cl package system just isn't fun.
trinque: gimme the same thing for *THIS* I've chosen
trinque: the docs for it, and a way to traverse to related things I might want to use instead
gabriel_laddel: Generic functions for this class, sorted by if they're implemented yet, things that have been passed this type in the past...
trinque: what does the whole goddamn world look like from this point
trinque: I am a very visual/spatial thinker
trinque: and only grow proficient in a domain when I have a sort of physical model of the space
gabriel_laddel: related: I want to be able to inspect an object, mark it, then jump around through a bunch of other objects and hit a key to get a sexpr representing the accessor corresponding to my traversal.
trinque: gabriel_laddel | how the fuck did you ever get good at python << by forcing myself to work through it
trinque: eventually acquiring the mental picture of python's insane world
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trinque: and tbh I write python in a functional style over mostly primitive types
trinque: gabriel_laddel: that example of taking action *once* and being able to turn that sort of "recorded" action into an abstraction, exactly fucking right
trinque: our merry band of madmen got things such as these done once upon a time by representing the ASTs of SQL queries as table structures in postresql
trinque: that was where I accidentally bumped into the power of a homoiconic language
trinque: because we... lol... forced SQL to behave like one
trinque: model ebnf as tables -> describe some particular grammar in those tables -> derive schema for statements in that grammar -> derive parser for farting ASTs into tables -> so on so on
trinque: it's just everything is data, including that which is used to model and manipulate the data
trinque: lisp did it far far better
trinque: incidentally we had the ebnf one bootstrapped such that it contained the description of its own structure
trinque: and could revise it from there
trinque: and that was super powerful as well, and I don't know how to get that on the CL side
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trinque: yeah, I want to go insane in an arbitrary direction changing some data structure, then decide nope arbitrarily later
trinque: or even better, have it fail some constraint and do so
trinque: or in other words... "database"
gabriel_laddel: yeah, I wish you the best of luck on that quest. It is straightforwards, but ugh.
trinque: I would have to describe better how I've leaned on there being a declared schema which is also data
trinque: for example an inner join between the schema-describing-tables and the rows describing the grammar was how I wrote a generic to-string for any language in the ebnf tables
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: this is what I mean by "we need people to carry the water"
gabriel_laddel: seriously, redirecting a trinque at CL would make the development 100x better.
trinque: if you mean somebody should've kicked my ass ten years ago for not writing CL, I agree.
gabriel_laddel: I mean that someone should have paid for you to write CL, preferable packaging it up as an unchanging distro supporting only a subset of hardware.
trinque: so, here's what I do in real life, right?
trinque: I model people's businesses using a database
trinque: so to the extent that you put a better tool in my hands to do that, I'll only be appreciative.
trinque: s/appreciative/paying you/
trinque: I'm not personally out to revolutionize computing by focusing all my time on that as such
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trinque: model a business, describe business rules which constrain the changes possible to the model, present the state of the model in various useful ways, attach behavior to changes permitted by the model
trinque: this is every goddamn application I've ever sold
trinque: and a tool which allows me to rapidly do that will drastically increase the rate of said selling
trinque: and you could stack corpses to the sky replacing products which were specific incarnations of such a database, rather than attacking the general problem described above.
trinque: and then when you've got fat stacks from all the killing you've been doing, hell, build some hardware why don't you?
trinque: this I think hits the problem of "the sale wants their particular problem solved head on" vs "to be a successful software business I must generalize" squarely
gabriel_laddel: !s dawg just make the cardano already so we can sell em
phf: were you guys trying to put symbol documentation into slime-autodoc results? that seems pretty easy, just patch whatever swank:autodoc returns. though seems like it would be distracting since multiline docs will keep resizing modeline every time your point is at a new function
phf: there's also C-c C-d d which brings up a window with symbol's description
phf: gabriel_laddel: i'm not sure what you're trying to say
gabriel_laddel: phf: Nothing interesting. Twas already covered in the logs...
phf: gabriel_laddel: oh you're right, i'm behind on my readin'
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gernika: I attended a lisp meetup in SV today at which someone presented their altcoin which happened to be written in CL. This altcoin exists apparently because bitcoin too "too slow."
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gernika: Close to there. I'm more on the peninsula.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seems to be traction from the transaction fees article
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 06:06:44; Naphex: 04:14 <+hanbot> people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious <- Happens pretty often
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 08:13:46; cazalla: or inattentive chicken shepherd
hanbot: good sort of yellow tho'. of course, how would you know if you hadn't had good eggs /turmeric/etc
mircea_popescu: "waiter, i ordered soffran rice and what the fuck is this yellow poison looking shit!"
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 12:45:57; funkenstein_: "Benner has lofty goals for his synthetic molecules. He wants to create an alternative genetic system in which proteins [] are unnecessary" <-- ??
mircea_popescu: "At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ?
☟︎☟︎ phillipsjk: I really should auth with the bot with pgp though.
hanbot: mircea_popescu i think the point is able!=expected
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phillipsjk: I am not sure I can auth with assbot. to verify I need to decrypt a OTP, but I need a rating of 2 for the !up command to challenge me with one.
phillipsjk: assbot says: "You need a better WoT rating for self-up. (level 2 with assbot >0)"
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 22:43:42; gabriel_laddel: For example, say that you find the existence of both elt & nth to be stupid. write a (meta)program that walks an arbitrary CL program and fixes all elt's to nths. Let everyone know that it's deprecated, and that they can run this program on their code to update it to CL 1.2 or whatever.
phillipsjk: Can I auth with the bot without voicing?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the problem with templates is that generating syntatically correct code is fucking impossible.
mircea_popescu: in any case : i don't like aes for purely political reasons. it became an apparent schelling point out of absolutely nowhere for no discernible reason. these situations always stink.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i think the principle of machine-fixed code is broken, but hey. maybe you're in a narrow enough case you can pull it off.
mircea_popescu: if you can actually write programs to fix programs - why haven't you yet and why are we still running broken code everywhere.
mircea_popescu: that process works better the other way. ("i need to intern for this guy" vs "i need people to intern for me")
gabriel_laddel: I want to move *up* the ladder of abstraction. Purely mechanical lisping doesn't interest me.
phillipsjk: Anyway, I screwed up with my AES comment: naivly encrypting game commands with a fixed key will give you the same cipher text given the same input. Chipher modes are not my field of expertise though.
gabriel_laddel: Even if what I'm suggesting for interns is state of the art for some people.
gabriel_laddel: I could go to africa (or stanford) if I wanted to be "considered intelligent"
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk i've not put much design effort into that yet at any rate.
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 22:56:47; ascii_modem: fuck opengl. i want peter henderson's sexpr graphics
mircea_popescu: granted this isn't much seeing just how retarded that field is, but anway
mircea_popescu: worst thing about the early 2000s was how ms seemed it was going to live forever through directx
☟︎ mircea_popescu: hm. by "worst retarded" i actually mean "least retarded".
decimation: mircea_popescu: I buy your political reasons, but aes was the 'winner' of a fairly large and open 'competition' and was then recommended by usg. How is that 'coming out of nowhere'?
mircea_popescu: blowfish has successfully resisted analysis and was thoroughly abandoned. because aes "won a competition" ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i dunno about you, or anyone else. but to me, winning a competition is a discomendation.
mircea_popescu: you know, like i don't expect a film to be good because it got 7 oscars. i expect it to suck.
mircea_popescu: and i don't expect a dude to have something meaningful to say because he got a nobel prize, but IN SPITE of getting it.
decimation: yeah that seems like a reasonable objection
mircea_popescu: i guess "purely political" is not even the best way to state it. purely idiosyncratic.
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mircea_popescu: (amusingly enough, that says "inkwell" in romanian, phonetically)
punkman: mircea_popescu: o look at that, actually an english word. cool. << which?
punkman: that's a very greek word actually
mircea_popescu: (yes, i confess, mp doesn't generally use natural language "as it is", but "as it should be", like any serious autist. it's wonder anything i say's comprehensible to any degree)
phillipsjk: After a little research, I found that twofish was one of the finalists in that competition. (Apparently the 64bit block size of blowfish it a little small for some applications like encrypting over 4GB) You are probing me now :)
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk yes, but that's both trivial to fix and in practice long fixed (twofish, threefish, etc). it is in point of fact a VERY promising cypher branch, mostly on the account of its extremely complex schedule
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mircea_popescu: cazalla i liked the fact that the only pictures in which she displays good posture, she's wearing "slave" or whatever you'd call it garb.
mircea_popescu: this is shocking but factual : rarely will you see women carrying themselves like actual people outside of dance school and the slave quarters.
cazalla: you're big on posture eh? mentioned numerous times now
cazalla: not that i enjoy a slouch, just not something i've considered before either
trinque: I tend to think how you hold yourself *is* how you feel about yourself, rather than how you convey it
☟︎ trinque: fascinating observation re: the slave gear
mircea_popescu: put a woman naked on a horse, it'll tell you all you need to know about the "empowerment of feminism" and whatnot.
punkman: I got the impression she was looking at her belly with most outfits
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mircea_popescu: punkman completely driven crazy with the body image these days. i'm surprised there's even females left at all, sometimes. reasonable expectation last one died cca 2003 over a bulimia-anorexia crisis.
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assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 04:14:52; trinque: I tend to think how you hold yourself *is* how you feel about yourself, rather than how you convey it
cazalla: or a fist bump and they go their seperate ways
trinque: cazalla: yeah, specifically to the chick; she's in this garb that evokes a certain narrative, suddenly perked as though immediately at home in that context
trinque: but also hell, I like wearing a good suit (and I'm sure by better standards I've never worn one)
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:53:23; mircea_popescu: worst thing about the early 2000s was how ms seemed it was going to live forever through directx
ascii_modem: who the fuk cares what microshit did or will do
ascii_modem: i played 'edna' (1996!) just now. in czech.
mircea_popescu: i spent the decade playing homm2 and mm6/7. nevertheless... some people actually cared about everquest and wow and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: look, you dun have to be a fan to admit it looked bleak in 2002.
mircea_popescu: the only performance edge ms ever had in its entire history. ever. directx 6-7
cazalla: my brother played a lot of homm2 (mind you, here is retarded so probably didn't play it well despite sinking so much time into it, never wanted to play it over LAN with me for some reason).. i prefrered EQ..
ascii_modem: in '95 too. for me, winblows was the beginning of the end, gamewise
cazalla: i liked that ghetto version of homm2 which came on the cd, forget the name of it
ascii_modem: the only edge microshit ever had anywhere was from collusion with hw vendors.
mircea_popescu: at the time, as a game maker, it was "directx or go home"
ben_vulpes: hate to interrupt, but ascii_modem did you ever post a hack for speedily dumping all blocks via a -dumpblock analog or am i misremembering?
ascii_modem: i wanted to explain that i don't evaluate softs in comparison with microshit. just as i don't evaluate meal by comparing with a tall glass of liquishit.
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ascii_modem: though i may have neglected to attach it. check.
ben_vulpes: all of your mails coming through in .txt makes finding your utterances annoying, because i don't index attachments
ben_vulpes: it's fine tho i'll just buy a little more rsi :P
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:57:37; mircea_popescu: blowfish has successfully resisted analysis and was thoroughly abandoned. because aes "won a competition" ?
ascii_modem: it was spiffier in just about every known way
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:48:32; gabriel_laddel: I need interns
ascii_modem: serpent? in crc crypto encyclopaedia, and had citations. but largely, wank on sci.crypt
ben_vulpes: ascii_modem: forgive the idiocy, i don't see any scriptage around the `dumpblock'ing
ben_vulpes: just curious to know if you had done something clever to dump the blocks.
phf: ben_vulpes: i started writing a patch that would let dumpblock accept cut's number range syntax, i.e. 1,7-100,200- but didn't think anyone would need it. i can pick it up again in a day or two, though i suspect you need it now?
phf: ascii_modem: cut as in unix utility
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:26:53; mircea_popescu: "At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ?
decimation: unixphilosophy > "modular is better, can process any text stream" <> "modular is always worse than 'done at bedrock'"
ascii_modem: can anyone tell me what the point of litecoin is after scryptasic finally happened ??
ascii_modem: decimation: there is no reason to reimplement bash loop, etc in something like blkcut
decimation: agreed, I was just making point about 'unixphilosophy'
ascii_modem: that is what 'unixphilosophy' meant to mean
phf: ascii_modem: that's what kept me from continuing to work on that patch, but i still ended up hacking the code for bulk export, since O(n^3)
decimation: what would it look like to have 'modular bedrock'? feed output of 'cut' circuit to 'sort' circuit?
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assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:47:21; mircea_popescu: in any case : i don't like aes for purely political reasons. it became an apparent schelling point out of absolutely nowhere for no discernible reason. these situations always stink.
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ascii_modem: 2) just about 'anyone who's anyone' in that entire subdiscipline is a usg career
mircea_popescu: that's a major point incidentally. we'll have to make our own crypto oscars, this usg situation is untenable
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 04:17:05; mircea_popescu: punkman completely driven crazy with the body image these days. i'm surprised there's even females left at all, sometimes. reasonable expectation last one died cca 2003 over a bulimia-anorexia crisis.
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mircea_popescu: "Now, the average employee stays at Amazon for LESS than two years, so when you do the math to compare offers from various companies go ahead and factor that in. The entire system is designed to bring you in, burn you out, and send you on your way with as little equity lost as possible."
ben_vulpes: had enough of that flavor of chumpatronics, tyvm.
decimation: next it'll be 'we charge you for the electricity you used while here'
ascii_modem: why would anyone not mail it back immediately ?
decimation: It's a real problem for young people in the us though
decimation: where is a bright young engineer going to work?
ascii_modem: both the money and the meat - countereconomic voodoo creations of usg
mircea_popescu: i am not aware of ANY stock option deal that is not a scam outside of mpex to date.
decimation: yeah, it's just depressing. I would note that the above 'big 4' are exactly what everyone in the us is banking on to save the entire system
ascii_modem: aha, the normal deal is straight classical 'jam tomorrow'
punkman: decimation: will be fun when they have to bailout google
decimation: I suspect google already has some kind of sweetheart regulation somewhere
decimation: still, countereconomic as it might be, there's an opportunity here
mircea_popescu: decimation they didn't end up paying ten billion over the rico conspiracy thing they had with the wage fixing did they ?
decimation: surely at least some of the meat doesn't want to enter the chumpatron
mircea_popescu: that's only for when italian dudes run their own independent govt.
mircea_popescu: brave sir robert got some bank to pay for "helpying money laundering", right ?
decimation: didn't the judge throw it out because it was rediculously low
decimation: judge threw it out at $325 mil, they upped it to $450 mil
ascii_modem: if they dont fx prices - to borrow bushism - 'that sucker will go down'
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how it can cost them less than 10-20 billion
mircea_popescu: i mean gimme a break, even junk like sr was supposedly doing more damage than this.
decimation: lol because the suing class consists entirely of people who willingly entered the aforementioned chumpatron
mircea_popescu: you know what, women willingly entered the workforce, what the fuck is with these "civil rights" lawsuits.
mircea_popescu: and iirc the woman with mcdonalds willingly bought coffee.
decimation: about 80% of usg depends on these kinds of 'willingly' gotchas
ascii_modem: nah they 'willed' to enjoy warm fuzzies not the butugchag of reality
ascii_modem: 'will' means something very peculiar to a muppet
ascii_modem: i'm not quite enough entomolgist to say precisely what.
decimation: ^ split when given to the 65k employees
decimation: not counting the half for lawyers and admin
mircea_popescu: i guess as the flesh sears under the hot tongs, "high ranking" usg employees will scream how people "willingly paid taxes"
mircea_popescu: decimation from any settlement under 2-3 bn, the actuasl employees get zilch.
decimation: this goes to ascii's (orlovs?) deer who kneels down in front of the hunter
decimation: yeah if they doubled 'slave wage' in sillycon valley it would only double housing expenses
decimation: and then interns would be happy to live 10 per apartment mexican-style for the very small chance that they can get some google equity
decimation: this is obviously countereconomic, what puzzles me is why hasn't someone exploited the opportunity?
decimation: hire non-idiots who don't want to enter the chumpatron somewhere where feeding real estate isn't the entire economy
gabriel_laddel: decimation: what happened to that "new country on unclaimed land"
ascii_modem: gabriel_laddel: usg claims earth and all of known unviverse
mircea_popescu: no fucking way ? you actually inputting text on a tablet ?!
decimation: poor ascii still yearns for his bed computer
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 02:30:55; gernika: I attended a lisp meetup in SV today at which someone presented their altcoin which happened to be written in CL. This altcoin exists apparently because bitcoin too "too slow."
ascii_modem: i just need to memorize morse for 'shoot me now plz'
mircea_popescu: i wonder if google telepathy keyboard will work intermediately. secretary on her back with the things attacked, you stick your cock into her and write your next article.
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ascii_modem: wonder if anyone sells morse-bluetooth-kbd
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decimation: top of the list: ftp, netcat, tcpd, whois, at
punkman: decimation: so that's... everything?
decimation: yeah, pretty much - which is the honest answer
decimation: The Linux Foundation (LF) Core Infrastructure Initiative (CII) is trying to identify OSS projects that need special focus/help for security so that it can best identify OSS projects needing investment.
decimation: "Similarly, the Department of Homeland Security Homeland Open Security Technology (DHS HOST) program’s goal is to “help facilitate the continued adoption of open technology solutions (including OSS)...to improve system security....” They have asked the Institute for Defense Analyses to identify and collect metrics to help identify OSS projects that may especially need investment for security."
ascii_modem: meta. collector for candidates for gavinization academy.
ascii_modem: 'you wanna eat off project? we knew! great, innit? just one little thing we want in return...'
decimation: ascii_modem: that's giving too much credit
punkman: they must be pleased with systemd results
decimation: usg's classic move is to pay $mil to contractor to tell it how it sucks, and then do nothing with the results
ascii_modem: this - probably our best picture of operation of the gavinfactories.
decimation: I would note that it seems this is in coordiation with the "linux foundation"
decimation: so it would indirectly funded by usg at best
mircea_popescu: <punkman> they must be pleased with systemd results << they are. and mostly on the grounds that they're measuring badly.
mircea_popescu: exactly how "war on terror" was a disaster for them. "oh we conquered iraq". "you won't be able to hold it"
decimation: "The “libapache2-mod-gnutls” package is especially concerning; this is a key glue mechanism between Apache and GnuTLS, but it seems to be minimally maintained. The others are libraries for processing various formats (images, compression, and XML) that are the basis for many other functions that do not seem to be well maintained. "
ascii_modem: usg hasnt given a fuk re conquest in the normal sense of the word since war with spain.
mircea_popescu: gnutls was marked for death along with everythning else i nthe pki scabies pile
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem understand that it doesn't matter what the loser of a contest cares about.
decimation: "we were intending to bring peace and freedom, not exploit the colony's resources"
ascii_modem: where is the losing? plebes lost, sure (when did they not?) - lizards - won
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem only in your alt-world where meta-win is a win and meta-nsa a thing.
punkman: what would be not-meta win for systemd?
mircea_popescu: punkman if nothing else, i have a very convenient rally point.
mircea_popescu: this is not repaid by having five billion more schmucks use ubunwindows.
ascii_modem: vaterland s33k000rity 'industry' is choking on money
ascii_modem: entirely different hallucination, much stronger lsd in use
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mircea_popescu: but, without committing to being in any sense persuaded, or anything, consider the following :
mircea_popescu: by the time i can actually point to something, that side's lost.
ascii_modem: lets say this. gawker pays for hippie house , 5 bois per room
mircea_popescu: by the time we have "politically correct" as a concept, us liberalism is dead.
mircea_popescu: by the time "systemd" is a word, usg-as-nsa is no longer.
ascii_modem: only in wizard universe where names kill things
mircea_popescu: it is that by the time the mistakes got a name, the mistakes are by now too numerous to allow victory anymore.
mircea_popescu: that's the problem here - to make a name you need a concept, and the concept's only circumscribed enough when there's enough errors on the table.
mircea_popescu: well, i have not the instrumentation to make this point rigurouslyt
ascii_modem: but i'm still crunchng. crunching under nazi boot
mircea_popescu: the whores i've known in my lyf taught me to not take a man's own word on that score.
punkman: perelman but like gentleman?
ascii_modem: five walls and radioactive dragons guarding each, between one's arse & economic reality
ascii_modem: and wage labour being in same mental category as ebola
ascii_modem: as in, yes, theoretically, could touch you...
mircea_popescu: said the daymio to the assassin : why would i want protection from contact with assassins ? you're giving exceptional blowjobs!
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 06:10:36; mircea_popescu: u kno there's no such thing rite
ascii_modem: every time i burn to work on one of 'tmsr' items but nope, because slave
mircea_popescu: how you say this in russian ? ziditor, literally, building, but it's only used in that form in a churchly context, "building into christ"
ascii_modem: anyway everything i spoke of zips up under 'sleep ad libitum'
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ascii_modem: mircea_popescu: to a point. what does pirannha bath teach?
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ascii_modem: point was, the famous theorem, has a corollary:
ascii_modem: 'that which kills you, does not make you stronger.'
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mircea_popescu: the one that'd never have amounted to a hill of beans until some cop shot him ?
ascii_modem: 'martyrdom is singularly unprofitable for the martyr' (tm) (r) (uncle al)
mircea_popescu: is perelmanism singularly unprofitable for the perelman ?
mircea_popescu: all this suicide "indicting" has a single source : "you owe us"
ascii_modem: just that being a live hero beats the other kind
ascii_modem: screw 'indicting', i'm just not quite ripe to be buried yet
ascii_modem: '... in the next attack, i promise to burn up!' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: "Tokyo police are investigating whether a man who cooked his own severed genitals and served them to five paying diners committed a crime, the force said Tuesday."
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assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:26:53; mircea_popescu: "At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ?
shinohai: yes erik voorhees wants artificiall price inflation on ltc and other shitty alts to keeps his shapeshift scam afloat
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punkman: gernika: why even have a blockchain in that thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81806 @ 0.00051233 = 41.9117 BTC [-]
gernika: punkman: So you can verify that lizardhitler approves your transaction? idk...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.15849999 = 2.536 BTC [+] {4}
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punkman: El Chapo "slipped out of the prison through a rectangular passage in the shower area of his cell that led to a nearly mile-long tunnel running underneath the prison"
punkman: "Soldiers occupied Mexico City’s international airport, flights were temporarily suspended at the nearby Toluca airport, near where the prison is located, and roadblocks were set up at numerous spots"
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punkman: ...and derps at Brussels still can't make a decision, council meeting canceled.
punkman: I couldn't find any mushrooms at the market yesterday!
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ascii_modem: mod6 et at: i've a hypothesis: if we had parallel sig verification, miners would have a strong game-theoretic immediate incentive to seek out & use therealbitcoin nodes
ascii_modem: faster verif. >> less chance of orphanchaining
mircea_popescu: i'm a miner, i can think. i run my own nodes, i run my own pool, i couldn't care less about you.
ascii_modem: the funny part is that only the coming of the mega-txspam could have brought this possibility about
mircea_popescu: i'm a miner, i can't think. i run some random derp pool, i couldn't care less about you.
ascii_modem: own nodes aha. but gotta know you're on longest chain
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ascii_modem: hence tuned into blks coming out of other miners
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ascii_modem: miner working on chain that's been orphaned is pissing in the wind
mod6: ascii_modem: qq about stator build script: I was taking a closer look at this and it seems that your version removes 'no-shared' from the openssl configuration parameters and replaces it with 'threads'. Any main reason here? I thought we needed 'no-shared'? Just curious since your script seems to work well.
ascii_modem: to know precisely when to stop, he listens to incoming blks
ascii_modem: mod6: no idea, i didn't even remember what was in your original
punkman: 0.5.3 getwork is not compatible with anything they use
punkman: will be hard to use 0.5.3 for mining at this point
punkman: because we don't have getblocktemplate
mircea_popescu: so, again : if they can think they don't need you. if they can't think, they wouldn't even know you exist.
mircea_popescu: game theopretically, bitcoind is irrelevant for mining.
mircea_popescu: but do not despair : the same situation was in place back when the power rangers maintained it.
ascii_modem: so the few miners who use parallel ver ~waste fewer cycles on orphan chain~ and wipe the floor with the rest
mircea_popescu: you know, spend three hours mining a spv verified chain because they just don't give a fuck.
mircea_popescu: wrote own software, been doing parallel sigcheck since 2013.
ascii_modem: do we have any detectable sign of 'can think' existing in the wild ?
ascii_modem: and i'll point out that if these people aren't talking ~directly~ to each other, they would still be verifying at speed of slowest link
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem yeah, it's on the shelf right next to the secret cypher suites, have at.
mircea_popescu: understand : unlike most usecases for software, bitcoin mining presents exactly zero incentive to share code.
mircea_popescu: you DO NOT benefit from more people using your software.
mircea_popescu: this isn't wordpress, or red hat, where you hope to make money downstream out of basically, advertising.
mircea_popescu: there's a revenue model in place, and traditional software paradigms plainly do not matter.
ascii_modem: i would personally be surprised to learn that anyone bothered to implement multicpu ver prior to 950+kb blocks
mircea_popescu: what the current outsider schmucks (on #bitcoin-dev and etc) hope to achieve with their time is, release enough code that nobody* uses to give the impression they know their shit, so they can one day maybe join the actual miners as a junior analyst, and until then survive on conference rubber chicken.
mircea_popescu: it's a shitty game plan, but then again there's women aspiring to be singers, so.
mircea_popescu: this isn't a field where such a thing as sop may be a defined symbol.
ascii_modem: just that without heavy blocks, multicpu makes no appreciable difference
mircea_popescu: on olne hand, you'd be surprised what is appreciable for mining
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, some people do code defensively. rare but exists
ascii_modem: if mircea_popescu tells us that this exists alive somewhere, i'm inclined to at least consider it
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem the gist of what i'm saying is that while foundation publishing the best code possible is a very useful and very worthy thing, you do not have game theoretic reasons to expect the things you were claiming to ewxpect
mircea_popescu: chiefly because that game doesn't exist, in a number of wayus.
ascii_modem: but will point out that we could easily have uptake among the not-quite-13373st but not the most ludicrously idiotic minerz
mircea_popescu: this middle may perhaps exist, sure. sadly it's hard to observe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144076 @ 0.00050498 = 72.7555 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the broader problem is that the way mining works is very much discouraging middle, which is a serious problem, as death of the middle class always precedes centralization.
mircea_popescu: the way this works is : if you're any good as a miner, you're going to have your own infrastructure. you might keep the pool closed,
mircea_popescu: and so, once it's open, people that aren't every bit as good as you no longer have any incentive to continue
mircea_popescu: this is how the current "45% of network is dumb as rocks" thing has appeared
mircea_popescu: it was slowly nursed over half a decade by the above unfortunate centralizing force.
mircea_popescu: not that this problem wasn't broadly predicted and discussed 2010-2011. the solution, predictably, from white young adult us schmucks, was "honor!1!"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so you see a way to reinvigorate the middle ?
ascii_modem: i've been thinking of the mechanics of miner war
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42824 @ 0.00050498 = 21.6253 BTC [+]
ascii_modem: none of it points anywhere but moar centralized mines
mircea_popescu: there fundamentally can not be a way to organize mining that's not centralizing, BECAUSE mining is going to have to follow the same rules, as that's what it does for bitcoin : checks them.
pete_dushenski: ascii_modem: 'plastique' makes me think of explosives, but that can't be what you mean ?
mircea_popescu: it may very well turn out that bitcoin is a case of wishful thinking, entirely being powered by the illusion that we've managed to "get free energy" for as long as this illusion that "miners can be centrally verifying in a decentralizewd manner" lasts.
mircea_popescu: just like, you know, "coal burns in the furnace, yet coal in the mine will never run out" or whatever
mircea_popescu: goes right into the discussion re monetary incentives a week or two ago.
ascii_modem: can automate the punishment a la cokemachine
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mircea_popescu: even if you do. the ants are adversity. what's the definition of honorable if not "perseverent in the face of adversity" ?
ascii_modem: is mircea_popescu posting from some planet inhabited by beings who die rather than slaving, en.masse?
mircea_popescu: objectively, what difference can you see between the slave that mines slavecoin because otherwise the ants and the holy paladin that doesn't ravish the maid because... "he couldn't live with himself" otherwise ?
mircea_popescu: they learned it the same way, too : by having it beaten into them as children.
ascii_modem: well as i understood, you contend that the ant death is 'promise, not protocol'. when i suggest that it can be protocol, answered 'they will take the ants' - no ?
mircea_popescu: i answered that in not taking the ants, they're doing exactly what people proposed miners do in 2010 : "well it's centralizing but they should honorably resist"
mircea_popescu: i suppose i'm not putting enough explicit into this which i know from experience but perhaps alone. there is this thing that happens to a slave, when she's naked
ascii_modem: i'm posting from planet where maxint folks lived and died slaving with considerably less pushing than 'or ants!'
mircea_popescu: and i mean, mentally naked, not without clothes, but without any ideology
mircea_popescu: not because lazy, not because princess in her own head, but simply because there's an end to things. at which point she gets the ants.
mircea_popescu: but up until that point... the whole charade had been powered by her trying to deny this. which is substantially what honor is.
mircea_popescu: turning a broken system into an extensive broken system does not fix the system.
mircea_popescu: "i'm making a loss on every sale but hope to make it up on volume" ?
ascii_modem: except that two continents still largely run on what he built 'at a loss'
ascii_modem: h's laughter was the laugh of hyena eating the dead lion
mircea_popescu: or just them, the lot of them, up to an unspecified and unspecifiable border
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i dun feel cosubstantial with the idiots of the past.
mircea_popescu: (this term, which probably does not exist in english, should probably be very much akin the xtian practice of eating crackers)
ascii_modem: i've never lived in anything but the ribcages of long-dead dragons.
mircea_popescu: this is fascinating. perhaps the only advantage of being romanian, but also perhaps the only advantage that could truly be called an advantage
mircea_popescu: you get to be the first dragon, for lack of notable historical anything.
pete_dushenski: but what of 'transylvania mops the floor with rest of country' ?
mircea_popescu: there were like.... maaaybe two notable romanians. one was german
pete_dushenski: so you're to be the first notable romanian in history then ?
mircea_popescu: how did that quote go, "In confronting that which they feared, he had become something else in their eyes...and no longer their champion."
pete_dushenski: it's there when you need it and tucked away when you don't
mircea_popescu: which is an ancient pecenegian clan. about as romanian as it gets.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what i meant was merely that i don't generally seem very romanian to romanians themselves
mircea_popescu: chiefly on the grounds of not subscribing to various idiocies that there as anywhere constitute the spirit of propriety.
pete_dushenski: that adverse response by 'the locals' is almost the entrance exam for la serenissima
mircea_popescu: best anecdote to illustrate this being, of course, that i had a (us born) woman over, many years ago, and she made some local friends (clueless kids all excioted about this english speaking american woman that knows computers and with nary an idea about the world around them)
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mircea_popescu: so then when i wanted to meet them she arranged a meeting and they were liek "oh, he's definitely not romanian"
pete_dushenski: if you're 'one of the gang' you're not using your noodle well enough
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, i actually owned the town and their sorry asses to boot. but hey.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you gotta appreciate, at least at the time, being romanian was, to romanians, mostly a derogation.
mircea_popescu: ie, the first step to establish if some item sucked was, "is it romanian made ?" for if it were...
pete_dushenski: yes, i recall the 'working for foreign company' prestige
pete_dushenski: strangely in usa right now, 'made in america' is mark of pride.
pete_dushenski: basically because corn doesn't have country of manufacture stamp
mircea_popescu: yeah, as in all dead empires. caragiale notes the case of the 1900s hungarian who declares that he'd rather eat soap wrapped in the hungarian flag than cheese in plain white paper.
pete_dushenski: the cars are basically corn at this point. see 'bioplastics'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone know the fascinating story of one guadalupe leija serrano ?
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mircea_popescu: this was a woman, married, with children. to a drug cartel boss. whose enemies sent a slick kid to seduce her, which the kid did. and he convinced her to withdraw millions of $ from her husband's secret stashes in the us
mircea_popescu: how is such a great story not in hollywood i wish to know.
mircea_popescu: first mexican beheading, a woman. not empowering enough for the derpstablishment ?
ascii_modem: made in usa at this time (if not car) means that labour was ruinously expensive - and so there was no sense in saving five cents to make all the parts 'zamac'
pete_dushenski: speaking of which : "Mexico's most notorious drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman broke out of a high security prison on Saturday night for the second time, escaping in a tunnel built right under his cell"
punkman: oh noes he will rape us harder now
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and 'first' mexican beheading ? what of aztecs playing soccer with heads of enemies ?
ascii_modem: wake me up when he puts put cigars in ashtray made from usitler's skull
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well aren't we just the largest, bestest bitcoin company evar ;)
punkman: qntra and search down here
ascii_modem: perhaps the people-who-dont-matter things-that-make-no-difference-d them?
ascii_modem: back to the mexican fella - in a very important sense he is more dependent on usg staying in business than a u.s. post office director
pete_dushenski: and vice versa. co-dependent relationship between 'war' and sinoloa
pete_dushenski: that communities must be destroyed and middle class businesses bankrupted in order to fuel fight against nouns
punkman: ascii_modem: unless can retool for slave trade << you think they won't find new business?
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 308.26, Best ask: 308.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 308.27, 24 hour volume: 59155.72683874, 24 hour low: 291.81, 24 hour high: 316.23, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: highlight : "Block pruning allows Bitcoin Core to delete the raw block and undo data once it’s been validated and used to build the databases. "
pete_dushenski: "The minimum was chosen so that Bitcoin Core will be able to maintain at least 288 blocks on disk (two days worth of blocks at 10 minutes per block). In rare instances it is possible that the amount of space used will exceed the pruning target in order to keep the required last 288 blocks on disk." << RARE !
punkman: I'm working on some bitcoind debug improvements, I'm losing count of all the different printing functions
pete_dushenski: "Block pruning works during initial sync in the same way as during steady state, by deleting block files “as you go” whenever disk space is allocated. Thus, if the user specifies 550MB, once that level is reached the program will begin deleting the oldest block and undo files, while continuing to download the blockchain."
punkman: paving the way for bigger blocks?
pete_dushenski: every road they've built thus far has resulted in them chasing the roadrunner well after they'd already passed the edge of the cliff
pete_dushenski: once in a while they realize that there's no ground under their feet.
pete_dushenski: and then they come back with another 'acme' product with which to catch that elusive little bird.
pete_dushenski: not even 'come to life', just plain ol' fashioned cartoon characters
pete_dushenski: " How to help spread Bitcoin awareness while earning money at the same time."
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ben_vulpes: $bizpartner is going to shoop us around in a fiberglass meattube
decimation: ben_vulpes: sounds like fun, good luck
phf: i just did tandem paragliding at la jolla couple days ago, lots of fun
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assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 15:27:06; thestringpuller: qntra down?
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mircea_popescu: <ascii_modem> no 'war on drugz' - no sinaloa << dude, forget it. he was there before the us, he'll be there after.
mircea_popescu: this mental masturbation of inserting us into things as if it matters. it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: punkman "let's put the blockchain into such a state it's no longer a blochcain"
mircea_popescu: no fucking idea what they think it'll do, not like we don't have original copies.
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decimation: my conversation with luke on friday night was enough to convince me that the bitcoin devs 'know what they are doing'
decimation: they think they can arbitrage their github commit credentials into power over bitcoin
decimation: was that a 'cloud mining' business that has gone 'full scam'?
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decimation: related:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150709092955.htm "A new model of the Sun's solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun's 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to
jurov expects asciilifeform to shoot holes in it ^
☟︎ jurov: tl;dr: "chinese are still competitive at 40nm due to moore's stalling"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151344 @ 0.00053608 = 81.1325 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: this is the same stuff bunnie has been selling for awhile
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00049705 / 0.00052663 / 0.00055436 (9040275 shares, 4,760.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00049302 / 0.00053002 / 0.0005789 (24834822 shares, 13,162.96 BTC), 30D: 0.0003539 / 0.00046213 / 0.0005789 (91786996 shares, 42,417.63 BTC)
decimation: I wonder if they have open source baseband firmware
decimation: ascii would probably emphasize the signficant distance between schmatic of iphone pcb and an actual 'full model' of how iphone works - and the even further distance between that and something 'hand verifyible'
jurov: yes he'd say 'iPnohe'
jurov: but anyway, what i'm interested in, that maybe really 10nm fab is not needed and lesser process would suffice
☟︎ punkman: "Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s" doesn't sound like a good time to be settling in northern latitudes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69350 @ 0.0005352 = 37.1161 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102600 @ 0.00053962 = 55.365 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110950 @ 0.00053423 = 59.2728 BTC [-]