assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 23:07:45; mircea_popescu: At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:22:02; asciilifeform: re: the mit thing:
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 22:54:22; mircea_popescu: i'll take over the us fed and run it from right here, and if there's nobody else i'll take over fucking china silicon and run it from right here too. what in the ever loving fuck.
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nubbins`: hm, asicminer fraudulently produced ASIC production?
nubbins` wanders off in search of thread
nubbins`: recall Avalons showing up w/ mining pool info left in config files etc
nubbins`: why would you? everyone who bothered to think knew
nubbins`: everyone who just saw $$$ stopped thinking
nubbins`: ^ you buy a butchered pig, the farmer's keeping your tenderloin tips.
nubbins`: am i incorrect in that AM etc early models essentially just baked an FPGA design?
nubbins`: you gotta qualify that w/ scale or smth
nubbins`: TBH i think stuff like VLSI is only kept going because everyone involved is afraid the machines won't start up again if they stop
nubbins`: ooh, is it because we drowned in plastic and trademarked seeds?
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 04:05:11; asciilifeform: 'the gods of the copybook headings' (tm) (r) (kipling!)
nubbins`: and then i found myself in a spiral of photolitho articles.
funkenstein_: I just bought: Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs - 2nd Edition (MIT Electrical Engineering and Computer Science)
funkenstein_: Gresham's law of computing: bad codez drives out good, when both accepted by noobz
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nubbins`: was gonna argue but realized i misread
trinque: asciilifeform: how bout I show you what I've produced tomorrow re: self-replicating gentoo and get your feedback?
trinque: idea is the same thing on the stick ends up on the computer, then the computer's equipped to repeat
trinque: I am to the point where a bootable root.img is repeatably produced
nubbins`: "call off the police: law-abiding citizen count higher than ever"
nubbins`: o hey, friend of mine designed an album cover for an astronaut.
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nubbins`: When asked, hypothetically, how he would pay for complicated life-saving surgery for a loved one, Polk seemed uncertain. "That's a lot of vegetables, isn't it?" he said.
nubbins`: whoops, guess that broke assbot's url handler
assbot: U.S. Economy Grinds To Halt As Nation Realizes Money Just A Symbolic, Mutually Shared Illusion - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... (
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nubbins`: good enough to keep me going until it's time to head out
mod6: I'm gonna re-tackle the rotor build tomorrow btw.
mod6: Been bogged down with fiat job manditory overtime bs.
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nubbins`: the pyramid builders had one more thing going for them
nubbins`: and it's the same thing that the church builders had going for them
nubbins`: altho the church builders were generally more free to fuck off and do something else
nubbins`: nah, what i was going at is that people wanted to do it for free
nubbins`: but, this is now a relic of the past
nubbins`: no stonemasons work for the good of their community any longer
nubbins`: not in 1st world anyway. when i was in the sacred valley of peru, right in the middle of a 7 hour hike i came across a bunch of guys building a church outta mud bricks
nubbins`: asciilifeform the fact that the si and hf exists means the guy's probably not as much of a fuckin rube as the dude who built the church his grandfather was married in
nubbins`: there's tricks you can still pull and tricks you can't
nubbins`: salvation is on its way out as a motivator
nubbins`: this intro sold me on the rest of it
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "not inhabited" part holds its own mystery. did it provide an edge to users ? then, how come not used - is it the current castration of "thinking" folk that prevented them from deplyoing it ? something else ?
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174188 @ 0.00061043 = 106.3296 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: not that the presence of "official committees" isn't a sign that the thing's dead/dying.
nubbins`: oh, city workers knocked on my door the other day requesting entry for "propertyassessment"
nubbins`: it's where they count your bathrooms and look at your basement and make sure they're charging you enough property tax
nubbins`: and the homeowner tells you to fuck off
mircea_popescu: "guided tour, naked - $50. add $1000 per oz of clothes. shoes $500 flat fee."
nubbins`: actually it's the other way around
nubbins`: you don't let em in, they're forced to do their assessment from the street
nubbins`: and you waive the right to appeal o.O
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 22:54:22; mircea_popescu: i'll take over the us fed and run it from right here, and if there's nobody else i'll take over fucking china silicon and run it from right here too. what in the ever loving fuck.
mircea_popescu: "by sucking my cock you waive your right to complain about its girth" < formally valid law.
mircea_popescu: "by refusing to suck my cock you waive your right to fart" < formally invalid.
nubbins`: "by making us guess whether you have a basement apartment, you waive your right to claim that you don't"
☟︎ nubbins`: "by refusing the breathalyzer, you waive the right to claim you're sober"
nubbins`: but am i gonna spend a year in court arguing it?
nubbins`: meantime, i have paper to cut, feet to rest on coffee tables...
nubbins`: the process of making them lose is itself an unreasonable burden
mircea_popescu: which means, i'll spend fifty, because hey, it keeps one or more lawyers owing me for the bread i provided them
nubbins`: i have neither the means nor the will
nubbins`: and not just of the arts, either
mircea_popescu: incidentally, one could prolly make a killing in the north america this way. just - offer patronage to the various people who got paper to cut.
☟︎ nubbins`: we're more of a quality over quantity sort of shop
nubbins`: i do have a lovely plough, cca 14th century tech, that can trim a phone book cleaner than the phone book factory does
nubbins`: cuts so clean you could shave in 'em.
nubbins`: this isn't always the metric tho
mircea_popescu: i have a dog that can slobber better than any race horse :D
nubbins` points to client who paid $1ea for business cards, printed and trimmed by hand, because digital offset shop w/ electronic die cutter did such a shitty job o.O
nubbins`: add a spare blade, i think i dropped close to a thou on that fucking thing
nubbins`: anyway i should go listen to music and inhale drug smoke
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:47:47; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "not inhabited" part holds its own mystery. did it provide an edge to users ? then, how come not used - is it the current castration of "thinking" folk that prevented them from deplyoing it ? something else ?
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:54:53; nubbins`: "by making us guess whether you have a basement apartment, you waive your right to claim that you don't"
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:57:42; mircea_popescu: incidentally, one could prolly make a killing in the north america this way. just - offer patronage to the various people who got paper to cut.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 00:33:42; asciilifeform: ussr, for instance, just about broke its back producing ic (and cloned computers of various descriptions.) it is not clear that these paid for themselves, regardless of how you measure economic
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:55:11; mircea_popescu: you don't claim "that you don't".
mircea_popescu: why would it not form, if useful ? why would it be sought, if not useful ?
mircea_popescu: on the ethnic filter point, a) it was not actulaly the case historically (new york by ww1 was just about getting to the point of advancement) ; b) it'sjust the lazy man's approach to things. doesn't work, either.
mircea_popescu: so it never actually provided an ysort of advantage, but merely the promise of perhaps one day.
mircea_popescu: re the thermodynamics : people live and then die. their time is fundamentally free. no thermodynamics applies here.
mircea_popescu: today, if you're not doing that you're doing what, twitter ?
mircea_popescu: lasts forever. the way they grow pot is the way we'llgrow food in short order.
mircea_popescu: that was broadly my point, that the infantile "usg closes down so we're closing this park, and you'll be sorry!11" dies right here.
mircea_popescu: the state, bulbously putrescent as it is, does not get to propose the false dichotomy - "us or nothing"
mircea_popescu: the soviets need stalin like i need my nail clippings.
mircea_popescu: fortunately there's very little actual matter consumed in vlsi.
decimation: I enjoyed my time here, learned much, had many lolz. I do not wish to cause drama or be an impediment to improving bitcoin. Even though I presently have L2 rating from a few people, I am not going impose on their good grace by remaining. God bless all of you.
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mircea_popescu: "I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customers got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're re
mircea_popescu: sponsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. "
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:40:09; n6: How would someone get gentoo installed without this level of support?
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:40:37; trinque: I think the lesson here is that at least with current materials, they can't
trinque: was by no means a slight against mod6
trinque: but an observation that one has to really reach back to remember what it's like to not even know how to describe what you're not understanding
cazalla: trinque, wasn't implying that, more that if i could do it then probably anyone else here can do the same
trinque: maybe so; the guy kinda diverged from the guide, but then that was because he didn't know what EFI vs BIOS was
cazalla: ah fair enough, no EFI trip wire here
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 00:28:04; asciilifeform: summary: nobody knows how to make selling computers +ev without the millions-of-planktonous-idiots market being involved somehow
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it seems very improbable that arrangement will survive bitcoin.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: chiefly for the reason discussed earlier. there is literally nothing most people can do that's worth paying btc for.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 00:32:20; asciilifeform: just to add to the already forming lsd trip in this thread: i'm not personally convinced that ic production HAS EVER BEEN +EV
mircea_popescu: there is a directly obvious place where this is true. the way i approach a problem ? i have someone do it by hand. after enough of this, i have someone else automatize the easy to automatize parts. it grows from there.
mircea_popescu: the way "computer expert" approaches a problem ? first, he sits around imagining a problem that might be. then he comes up with the most theoretically-lovable way to solve a general problem three steps removed from what he imagined. then he proceeds to fail to implement a solution that mostly works.
mircea_popescu: time he spent = 10 to 100x time he saved, not to mention he saves time that's not worth saving in the first place.
mircea_popescu: but this does not speak about the activity of computing, or automating, or process design. it merely speaks of the idiot in question, and his tribe.
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mircea_popescu: "all i did all week was write a program to save me one keystroke per month - INCREASE WORKEFICIENCY!1"
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:30:40; asciilifeform: perhaps herbert's 'mentats', l0l
mircea_popescu: but looky : man in space is -ev in the sense that if you make a bill of the required materials, and then divide the stores by that, you come to a number that's < world pop.
mircea_popescu: not so. average cost per kid over 1-18 is about 500k atm. that makes the stable cost quadrillions. computers don't cost that much.
mircea_popescu: 2.5k calories a day * 365 * 20 is a decent chunk oif change even in hfcs terms
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 03:27:10; mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it seems very improbable that arrangement will survive bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: ftr, hfcs is 1-200 per 640 lb barrel. it's like sugar, about 4k calories per kg. so your kid costs
mircea_popescu: the point of comparison weould be "pile of scrap metal in the approximate shape of a desktop"
mircea_popescu: let's get back to your original idea. can you state it ?
mircea_popescu: (the only solution to the soft-warm comparison is a decent pair of tits)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends. do you live in a world where most capital is uselessly distributed to idiots ?
mircea_popescu: if people get "salaries" for doing "work" which have to then be collected back from them - the mcdonald, walmart, windows and britney spears are unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: so your choice of whether you want a good computer or not reduces to whether you're willing to live without the mass delusion of you know, "democracy" or w/e it's called.
mircea_popescu: the fact that there's room for six CAPITAL ALLOCATORS total
mircea_popescu: does not mean there's room for any specified number of computers.
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mircea_popescu: yes there may be a why somewhere. maybe there is. maybe they jacked off and spludged in that shape. none of your busienss in any case.
mircea_popescu: consider the problem of cannon in ww2. obviously, an -ev machinery IN OUR CURRENT PEACETIME TERMS.
mircea_popescu: not even necessarily a likely or in any case the only stable solution
mircea_popescu: but the ev consideration, and the capital allocation consideration, and operations are three points forming a triangle
mircea_popescu: the obvious one is the communitard "cooperative" thing socialists always rave about.
mircea_popescu: (but that's because it never was given a chance. you know, like al's thing)
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mircea_popescu: and i'm entirely at a loss as to why you'd want to engineer THAT
mircea_popescu: "my faucet leaks so i wonder how this gravity curvature of spacetime thing could be made to work to my benefit"
mircea_popescu: so you don't want to own a faucet, instead prefer to alter schroedinger with your mind ?
mircea_popescu: you know what also was lost, exactly the same way, for exactly the same reason ?
mircea_popescu: the detailed procedures of industry, as employed in the 1800s.
mircea_popescu: the reason is... because... not having the much hated IP at the time,
mircea_popescu: so you know... that's the large thing here. unless we manage to make the wot actually work for this purpose
mircea_popescu: the only good news is that wot can in fact owrk for this puropose. it solves it completely.
mircea_popescu: but there's worse flags to die under, so there's that.
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assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:41:29; asciilifeform: find me a fella willing to wear a gas suit and wash si in HF all day, every day, 'for the good of' something-or-other.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 04:07:42; mircea_popescu: there was 0 incentive for anyone wit ha clue to share.
mircea_popescu: this is a recurring theme throughout the history of agrarian civilisations trying to internalise the industrial revolution - chiefly by putting a bit of their flesh i nthe machine. the jews supposedly making bread out of goy boy blood, the wine made by stepping on grapes, the sovet factory that ceased to work once they forbade huyspeak...
cazalla: mircea_popescu, please to be providing example as i'm not seeing it
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, one good, lucky, weird angled shot or in other words the exception that proves the rule, this ain't hot for a college chick
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know the comparison is drastically unfair because fucktarded feminists of the 70s had nfi they are required to take nude cuntshots in bathroom or wear makeup
mircea_popescu: why would brain wallets want or need a derpy website ?
assbot: 'The yearbook we never had!' An arts college in the 1970s where the hair was big, the parties raucous and nudity welcomed among the VERY liberal | Daily Mail Online ... (
http://bit.ly/1Isv8hq )
ben_vulpes: "What if someone was using that site and now needs to be able to use the phrase that memorized to get back the keys???
☟︎ ben_vulpes: Yes, I have an offline backup but say they did not? How can they find the equivalent thing to get back their keys???"
mircea_popescu: cazalla she was with the stupid girls, which is how she ended up in the shitter.
ben_vulpes: just a tiny lolfruit i picked for the lolfarm
mircea_popescu: think bitcoin chamber of commerce derpette, 40 years ago.
ben_vulpes: oh yeah what's miss boring up to these days?
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 19:30:37; ascii_field: where i live - they're monosyllabic. mental age permanently 12 or so
cazalla: gotta be better than hillary anyway
mircea_popescu goes to nekkid parties / occsionally fucks a slavegirl in public but they never to date looked this shitty.
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ben_vulpes has nfi why hillary's past looks matter
ben_vulpes: she's as wrinkly as any other senator now
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 05:03:39; asciilifeform: to borrow dan mocsny's device, 'like the ruins of a great city, you can tell the woman was once beautiful - but you wouldn't want to move into parthenon'
mircea_popescu: you're not well advised to judge women by their looks.
mircea_popescu: it's worse than that. your idea of looks is mostly build on interpreting clues, and appearing harmless is a survival technique.
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ben_vulpes: aka 'have not yet slept with enough girls to have sampled the distribution'
phf_mobile: got a eulora mac built to a point of "brew install eulora"/"brew linkapps --local eulora"
phf_mobile: this is like a personal dragon slaying quest
mircea_popescu: wordpress file uploader removes all dots except the last one
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benkay: and does it silently drop xml files too, mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in principle stabbing and raping are the same activity. something modulates the behaviour so that you mostly stab does and mostly rape moes.
n6: I'm back again still trying to do
http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/#comment-114958 I got gentoo working last night with the help of trinque and everyone else in here taking HOURS to help me. But today I stepped on the ethernet cable, and broke the modem in such a way cables won't work. I have a Edimax EW-7811Un but no clue how to go about getting this working with just a base install. and no internet.
n6: Hard not to come back to finish after all the support given to me so far seems rude?
ben_vulpes: dood you know the reward already went out for that thing right?
n6: It was never about the reward
n6: Also I formated my usb drive with livecd, to watch Female Trouble (1974), so please no more reinstalls.
n6: both lspci and lsusb arent working i'm at loss for where to even look. (base install)
n6: I guess only need lsusb but it's not here.
n6: Amazon gave it to go with a beagleboard then it didnt work at all.
n6: oh your great blog post still working on getting my key sitatution fixed to rate you for such good work.
n6: asciilifeform: I'm not worried about the bone right now, only this graph. would be a shame if my 19 hours of gentoo installing came to nothing.
n6: Not all keyboard hours a lot of time was spent trying to recompile on the free aws tier about 9
n6: before finding out about the real bitcoin guide.
ben_vulpes: wait you tried to build a gentoo on aws?
ben_vulpes: the whole point is to not fuck with gentoo and just use something prebuilt
ben_vulpes: you have too much respect for your tools
ben_vulpes: look guy wants to build bitcoin, go do it over there in the gentoo virtualization sandbox that Ju5t Werkz!
n6: Tried to rebuild the kernal (I think) not really sure no understanding
n6: asciilifeform command not found. this is just a base install
n6: did I miss something?
ben_vulpes: dja know that i wrote assembly manuals for line operators, asciilifeform?
ben_vulpes: designed things so as to prevent inquisitive operators from mutilating themselves?
ben_vulpes: i believe that i've mentioned this before
n6: asciilifeform: what does DETERMINISTIC mean here?
n6: I still don't understand, sorry.
n6: let me do some reading and come back.
mircea_popescu has formally determined that the "what does deterministic mean here" inquiry can not be answered if "do you understand what static build is" comes out false.
mircea_popescu: i'm curious if anyone can come up with a (valid) answer.
ben_vulpes: in entirely unrelated news, the lil boy now kicks back when i poke at him
ben_vulpes wonders what poking too much would look like
n6: thanks guys got a wikipedia understand(not much) but it means compiled like apt-get packages?
n6: ben_vulpes: just a long time casual pc user, ubtuntu copy past guides no real understanding of anything that seems to matter when deal with real problems.
n6: I started this graph thing on os x and it couldn't do the job. then ben_vulpes told me to try AWS, but you can't just give someone a spaceship they have to earn it.
ben_vulpes: dude you're not flying spaceships right now
ben_vulpes: do you want to do gentoo quest or do you want to play around with the callgraph generator?
ben_vulpes: a very funny name for gaijin to cook up.
cazalla: ben_vulpes, did you end up going ahead with co-sleeping?
ben_vulpes: probably will for funsies, but it turns out the plan is to have a basinette next to the bed
ben_vulpes: girl on the left looks startlingly familiar
cazalla: was it someone else that mentioned it? getting confused with all these soon to be or recently arrived babies
n6: ben_vulpes: sorry reading I want it all
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i did mention cosleeping yeah
ben_vulpes: but those to whom that work has been delegated have other probably more sane ideas
ben_vulpes: as mp said one time "mothers care too much and fathers don't know wtf's in the box"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the ohka was perhaps the least successful war machine of all time.
mircea_popescu: what was it, 20 carrier planes sent, 1 returned, virtually no hits ?
ben_vulpes: n6: good way to make minimal progress on everything
mircea_popescu: wasn't one that punched through and fell past the ship ?
mircea_popescu: and most of them really needed the pilot to be alive throughout, etc
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 04:40:12; ben_vulpes: "What if someone was using that site and now needs to be able to use the phrase that memorized to get back the keys???
assbot: Serious: brainwallet.org shutdown and now I am wondering how to get keys back from the phrase? : Bitcoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1UuNbck )
ben_vulpes: *** Luke-Jr (~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr) has quit: Excess Flood << hyu
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ben_vulpes: limit of everything as time goes on is babies
mircea_popescu: btw, i understand this midwife business if you live with your wife and the other girl sleeps in between you two,
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 03:22:33; asciilifeform: (if fella who turns, is 'rotor')
mircea_popescu: seems more like quarterwive and threequarterwive or w/e the case may be
cazalla: my missus had an elective c-section, made the day somewhat of a non-event when compared to hollywood/tv births
cazalla: just asked.. "cause i'm not sitting around in pain for 10 hours"
ben_vulpes: if y'r in pain for 10 hours y'r doing it wrong
cazalla: mircea_popescu, doesn't affect my fertility last i checked :P
n6: Have lost the plot, how does all this help me with my wifi working?
cazalla: although hers? who knows, tried the past 2 months and it didn't take yet
gribble: decimation was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 43 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <decimation> I enjoyed my time here, learned much, had many lolz. I do not wish to cause drama or be an impediment to improving bitcoin. Even though I presently have L2 rating from a few people, I am not going impose on their good grace by remaining. God bless all of you.
ben_vulpes: much less protracted than the viragh episode
pete_dushenski: does sound like a bit of a 'ya got me, pardner' moment
phf_mobile: i remember oglaf from when before they had rss feed. so i wrote one and hosted it on my machine. i still get ~~100 requests for now long missing file a day
mircea_popescu: phf_mobile it's so popular here people do oglafbot by hand.
cazalla: pete_dushenski, do you mean for me to illustrate that S or actually draw that S into the logo?
pete_dushenski: cazalla: start with the easier one and work your way up
cazalla: pete_dushenski, well to be fair i already seen that image elsewhere
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pete_dushenski: mebbe funny, probably not, but like i said, was just looking for an art project
cazalla: well you said maybe it was trolling so clearly it went over my head
phf_mobile: ben_vulpes: hey, if you have some time to try and build eulora, the following incantation should do it: brew tap homebrew/versions; brew tap pf/homebrew-eulora; brew install eulora; brew linkapps eulora
cazalla: but c'mon, adding a dash of red and deleting a line does not make it a design proposal
pete_dushenski: it's not like i'm taking this shit to get printed so i can cruise around downtown berlin at 200 kph with my ass out the window
cazalla: pete_dushenski, well you already have the merc and that's 99% of the way there to adding the flags
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> because ip is going away, there's no << hear har
pete_dushenski: cazalla: looky, the car and the flags are but a symbol, and until the underlying material fact of diplomatic immunity is a reality, a day i intend to see but am not deluded enough to believe is here yet, then it's for personal enjoyment.
ben_vulpes: i like the fingerprint tho, pete_dushenski
ben_vulpes: kinda want mine painted on my rear fender
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cazalla: pete_dushenski, A+ for effort but that doesn't make it good, if i wanted a 2 minute knock up andy warhol photoshop job i could do it myself
ben_vulpes: haven't rolled like that since the suburban i drove as a younger boy
ben_vulpes: yes i would very much like to trade a rapidly depreciating asset for one that doesn't
ben_vulpes: although i have hopes the corvette will preserve some of its value.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i'd fully expect to the vette to hold its value
ben_vulpes: wankel like electric is a perpetually recurring fad in cars
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cazalla: pete_dushenski, then who is it for, just you personally? might want to correct your article then "a modest design proposal for La Serenissima" and you’d better believe that #b-a Lords will have fender flags on their motor coaches"
pete_dushenski: cazalla: there's layers here. if you insist on skimming from the top, you'll just get yourself annoyed.
cazalla: pete_dushenski, what on earth would annoy me about something you drew (lifted) and pitched as your own design proposal? if the bar at which criticism bothers you is set so low, might be time to reevaluate things
mats: is a shame decimation is taking off
mats: consumed cycles, sure, but contributed with interesting conversation
pete_dushenski: ya, he brought decent news articles this way. also fellow econtalk listener
mats: could be worse. could be Anduck or vexual
gribble: Anduck was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 1 day, 16 hours, 38 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Anduck> hmm, seems to work. thanks!
pete_dushenski: name rings a bell, not sure i've ever chatted with ducky.
mats: but to be fair decimation is the only fella regularly engaging in conversation here I can think of that doesn't contribute to LA serenissima
mircea_popescu: "A friend's company took over an officespace previously rented by Crypsa, a Cryptocurrency Standards organization. They tried to sell us them their furnishings ... tables, chairs, etc. ... but my friend got a little suspicious, because they used to live on the same floor and heard that some people got free furnishings. So they approached the Landlord and asked where Crypsa got their furniture. It turns out that yes, th
mircea_popescu: ey did get it from the Landlord and of course, for free. So, the Landlord, now supremely pissed, went and confronted the guy running Crypsa. According to him, the guy just 'blubbered and stammered - he had no excuse.'. It's funny when people get caught in the act, but in this case, it was just sad."
mircea_popescu: how the heck are there all these bullshits nobody ever heard of.
pete_dushenski: cazalla: i dunno what to tell you dude. if you don't like it, you can always take a yellow taxi with jurov. no one's holding a gun to your head around here. if more than one 'lord' likes the 'proposal', then 'lordS will have fender flags on their motor coaches'
pete_dushenski: and if not, then my proposal sucks, and it's just lil' ol' me !
pete_dushenski: mats: y'know i hadn't noticed it, but looking at his ratings, it was immediately obvious (if ex-post)
cazalla: pete_dushenski, if it was a design proposal, you would be a little less stand offish when facing criticism, that said, it's the final product which explains why you've got yourself in a little tizzy
mircea_popescu: i give this cazalla trolling pete_dushenski thing a 4/10
pete_dushenski: cazalla: might be an ozzie thing, y'know ? or mebbe commonwealth, i'm curious
pete_dushenski: mebbe cazalla imagines that a mercedes 560 sel with 3/4 swastika fender flags will be on his driveway unless he says something now
mats: cazalla: I used to doodle that design in grade school
cazalla: mats, hence that S thing that every kid except pete_dushenski drew
pete_dushenski: cazalla: lol oooh ya, i totally remember those. but i never in a million years woulda imagined that's what you meant by 'that s that every kid drew'
pete_dushenski: cazalla: and that's a good point, i sure as fuck never drew these.
mats: I got a drop or two of Manchu.
n6: Statically built programs link to libraries the system controls and DETERMINISTIC has everything you need included?
ben_vulpes: statically built programs do not link at runtime, n6
ben_vulpes: they have all the machine code they need in their executeable files
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mats: an excerpt from a vaguely metaphysical and spiritual scifi series in the "ender's game" universe I read as a kid
mircea_popescu: mats do you detect the atrocious vulgarity of it or notrly ?
mats: well we have fundamentally different value systems
mats: so, while I enjoy the prose, I don't otherwise know what you mean by vulgarity
mats: a lack of refinement
mircea_popescu: well that doesn't exactly help because i assume refinement is then a lack of vulgarity ?
mircea_popescu: "all operating systems are monolithic because that's just how computers work" is a fine example of utter vulgarity.
mats: well, how do you find this to be vulgar beyond the appeal to plebs
mircea_popescu: like the os quote, it contains no truth, merely the figments of truth in the shape of nonsense that stays truthy on a first approximation basis
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n6: mircea_popescu: are you hinting at the need to build lsub (here) and move it over to (there) In a DETERMINISTIC way? lsub seems to be what I need.
ben_vulpes: deterministic doesn't have much to do with what you're working on n6
n6: then why did I need to know about static linking?
n6: ben_vulpes: How can I build lsub on my macbook and take it to my gentoo install?
n6: Looks like I killed the channel sorry.
ben_vulpes: static linking is a thing to know about to hack on bitcoin related things
n6: I will come back and try again when more people are around. sorry to waste everyones time tonight.
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punkman: asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: lulzy, no? almost like poor fella confessed << I was slightly baffled because I thought decimation was in someone's meat-wot, then realized I was thinking of diametric. anyway, quite suspect parting message.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 06:35:49; asciilifeform: 'standards organization' !!?!?!
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell -hf_mobile i'm going to give this another whack tonight and then knock off for a spell. cs seems unhappy about...something.
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell phf_mobile i'm going to give this another whack tonight and then knock off for a spell. cs seems unhappy about...something.
pete_dushenski: punkman: the diametric/decimation and undata/trinque things readily cause confusion.
pete_dushenski: to say nothing of benkay/ben_vulpes and bitcoinpete/pete_dushenski !
ben_vulpes: undata and trinque are the same guy too, pete
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trinque: I go by this other, more specific piece of data now
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cazalla: i thought maybe some kind of old embossing machine
jurov: mircea_popescu strucks me like -- "who needs the yucky plankton" said the whale
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 04:24:05; asciilifeform: the abstraction is imperfect and necessarily leaks.
HeySteve: cazalla my guess is some kind of basic injection moulder
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mod6: So now that we have 'rotor', most likly we won't need to have the gentoo guide. We'll see how it goes but in the future we'll probably just point people at the gentoo handbook if they want to run Gentoo.
mod6: It took me 6 weeks to build that thing with tons of Trinque's help. n6: I understand your frustration totally.
☟︎ mod6: I appreciate your giving it a run through.
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kakobrekla: > Ironically, now that MCP runs on commodity hardware some elements of the MCP based software suite are no longer made available in source form by Unisys. <heh
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 14:41:35; mod6: It took me 6 weeks to build that thing with tons of Trinque's help. n6: I understand your frustration totally.
mod6: Sure thing. Agree 100%, but since 'rotor' can run on any "sane" linux (to quote ascii), we don't have to marry ourselves to Gentoo and thereby also provide steps to build Gentoo. As 'rotor' should work basically anywhere. Needs to really.
mod6: The whole 'we need to get to a sane environment -- let's use Gentoo' idea was pre-dated the rotor. Now I just gotta get rotor to work for me :]
shinohai: I haven't got it to run 100% for me outside of a basic x86_64 build. I am waiting to see a build log for arm systems, then I think I can run with the cross-compilation thing.
shinohai: As it stands, I am still using stator.
kakobrekla: J_EDGAR_HOOVER is the main security guardian of the system, called upon at process start, file open, user log on, etc. < lmao
shinohai: Also mod6 I still have not resolved that rpc issue, will take a fresh look later this afternoon.
mod6: shinohai: ok, did you get a chance to try it on v0.5.3?
mod6: It also couldn't hurt to describe exactly what you're trying to do in here.
shinohai: Not yet, gonna clear a space to try it. But I tried multiple times on the other versions and no dice.
shinohai: Simple rpc call is all, with auth
mod6: other versions as in .. from us? or from power rangers?
mod6: specifics are good :]
shinohai: All the versions of therealbitcoin. Power rangers are fine.
shinohai: For ref, this is what I tried:
shinohai: curl --user rpcuser --data-binary '{"jsonrpc": "1.0", "id":"curltest", "method": "getinfo", "params": [] }' 127.0.0.1:8332
shinohai: Which asks for password, which I supplied as listed in my .conf
mod6: Ok, yup, next try on v0.5.3
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shinohai: kk. I am just trying to confirm if I am the only one having this issue. If so, then I am doing *something* horribly stupid.
shinohai: I fired up namecoind and used the same curl request fine :/
shinohai: Phoundation v 0.10.0 works too
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> from that brain wallet drama
https://rya.nc/cracking_cryptocurrency_brainwallets.pdf someone had 250 btc using "how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood" << the benefits of more adoption. i bet you he "just wanted bitcoin to work" and "we" should make sure that happens while he focuses on whatever the fuck he does. running for mayor in futopia, coming up with surnames for earthwor
phf: ;;later tell ben_vulpes if you can run `brew -v install cs >cs-debug.log 2>&1` (-v shows the underlying build output) and send me paste cs-debug.log that would be helpful.
mircea_popescu: <punkman>
http://i.imgur.com/cxw3zdC.jpg << i have nfi why porn is sorted by all sorts of dubious criteria rather than say "tit shape". "All girls pears volume MCXVI". "Catshaped Tits LMII". "That weird pubescent thing where the nipple is most of the tit XIV"
mircea_popescu: <jurov> mircea_popescu strucks me like -- "who needs the yucky plankton" said the whale << can you be specific ? what is this, neoimpressionism ?
shinohai: I assume one must have a brain before attempting to use a brainwallet ....
mircea_popescu: <mod6> Sure thing. Agree 100%, but since 'rotor' can run on any "sane" linux (to quote ascii), we don't have to marry ourselves to Gentoo << not clear there exist any sane linuxen ; not clear that if we don't marry to something there'll be anything left next year. that sorta thing.
phf: ;;later tell ben_vulpes in fact if i manage to fix whatever cs issue future instruction should be to do brew install -v eulora > eulora.log 2>&1, so you don't have to rerun it twice if something breaks
mircea_popescu: but otherwise the point is correct, the gentoo choice predated the rotor and proibably was made obsolete by it
wywialm: hello, I would like to request your comments on the project i am collaborating on
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wywialm: sure, statements about the exchange?
mircea_popescu: like "i'm collaborating on a project based on P1 P2 P3 being true and P4 and P5 being false, it is supposed to achieve Q. Any comments ?"
mircea_popescu: that works a lot better, not likely i'm going to form much of a useful idea from looking at a web interface.
wywialm: from the security perspective, it is based on the MPEx PGP standard
mircea_popescu: wywialm in the sense that what, users give you their key and all subsequent communication's encrypted and signed by it ?
shinohai: Leaving this here for google to index kthx. <<< lulz wut?
phf: next step in SEO, leaving links on b-a. "hitler lizard diddled singles!
http://..."
mircea_popescu: what is this, woman being ravished by komodo dragon with military cap ?
wywialm: from the financial perspective, it assumes that when running futures exchange, one should also provide options and have a complete market
mircea_popescu: "Thats like saying the dotcom bubble was a scam isn't it? You can certainly phrase it like that but is that really whats going on. An actual scam?"
mircea_popescu: for instance i had an open offer for a tsla short in here weeks ago, could it have filled it ?
wywialm: and that market should be bitcoin-oriented, i.e. contracts should be structured treading fiat currencies as foreign currencies
wywialm: currently - on fiat currencies, but i'd very much like to introduce stock options
mircea_popescu: suppose i buy a million dollars to be delivered in q4. how do you resolve the part where you have to make sure whoever sold me the mn actually has it by then ?
wywialm: currently the contracts are financially settled, but when we move to the physical delivery (as soon as possible), the margins would increase as the contract approaches notice date
mircea_popescu: "explain" and "make sense" of it all. because omfg, what if she just ditched the blouse o noes her mommy told her the sky would fall.
wywialm: margin calls might appear in real time, if the margin is not replenished quickly, the position is liquidated
wywialm: where quickly is defined in terms of price move
mircea_popescu: i bought 1mn in q4, yoiu're gonna give me 3/4 mn in q3 because hey, why not ?
wywialm: the liquidated contract is sold on the market at the market price
wywialm: yes, ultimately, the exchange provides reserves to cover for members' losses, which are planned to be strenghened by credit default swaps
wywialm: shinohai that is why i'm asking you - could you please explain?
mircea_popescu: this will be the bane of your existence, on the general theoretic front. because like it or not, the unappealing dilemma is, either offer "renegotiable contracts", which is roughly what you're describing, and which fails at the only job futures have to do (ie, ensure the buyer of specified amount of specified merchandise on specified date), or else full reserve, which will kill your speculators without which no market
mircea_popescu: can function (irrespective of what idiots such as the eu central bank think). so there is that.
mircea_popescu: but in point of fact, for your daily life, you'll have a much more annoying problem.
mircea_popescu: shinohai will require a coupla engineers always on to watch the watchjer. this is unavoidalbe, bitcoin is a pos anyway.
wywialm: currently - an average across 4 USD exchanges, with cutting out outliers
mircea_popescu: problem being the market's illiquid enough to be easily pushed. but that's not something you'll manage to fix or really should be fixing.
mircea_popescu: what's the meaning of "collaborating on" in this context ?
wywialm: i am the economist behind all this
mircea_popescu: are you an outside consultant on a salary, a board member with an equity interest, a volunteer academic, none of the above.
mircea_popescu: (note that deferred salary payments and other promises make you a 3)
wywialm: re spot illiquidity - i acknowlegde this, currency futures as well as commodity futures should have physical delivery and we're working on it
mircea_popescu: if your future doesn't deliver it has a hole in it, sooner or later it'll infect and puss out. anyway.
wywialm: 3) academic with deferred salary payments dependent of the performace of the exchange
mircea_popescu: why would you wish to risk your reputation (which, whatever you may think of it, is significant enough that you can come here and have my ear whenever you want to) on this thing ? for all you know you're reliving the neobee nightmare. you remember that ?
wywialm: i think it's a good idea, and i know personally people involved, and i needed your comments - how else could i get these?
wywialm: btw: thank you for kind words
mircea_popescu: why're these people involved not in the wot for instance ? who are they ? how do you know any word they say is true ?
wywialm: yes, i remember neobee very well
mircea_popescu: the way this usually works, and it has worked about 500 times to date with 0 variance, is that scammer gets a coupla sluts and a coupla "credible people" to contact respectable, well meaning folk, launches project. from the perspective of the public the respectable folk form an impenetrable visual barrier. from the perspective of said folk, the coupla sluts and couipla salesmen idem. and a year to a year and a half lat
mircea_popescu: er scammer runs witrh moey and the entire stack of noobs is left apologizing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they finally giving up on all the pretense re truecrypt ? win.
mircea_popescu: i guess all the effort to parallel-construct was no longer worth it seeing how "nobody" really bought it anyway.
wywialm: i will of course invite them to WoT - but i know them for a long time irl
nubbins`: re:neobee, wonder what happened to thickasthieves
mircea_popescu: wywialm there's know and there's know. not something i can help you with - but know you are in fact taking your fate in your own hands and make the call as to these people in full light of that.
shinohai: That means little to potential investors though.
nubbins`: i guess he got his cream and moved on
mircea_popescu: nubbins` iirc he narrowly survived that, a settlement being involved.
nubbins`: he got way too much of a pass in here
nubbins`: for the amount of shady things he was into
n6: Hey mircea_popescu I have been coming around last few days getting a ton of help, but it has all made me feel awful. Last year I really let your ideas down and ended up getting tricked by someone pretending to be a friend of mine. but in the end the basic ideas saved me from going to jail. would you help me work out?
mircea_popescu: it's a forum, this. really very free passage throughout.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck am i, jane fonda over here. talk to a woman in good shape, they know.
n6: Have no gpg key to prove who I am
wywialm: mircea_popescu, i acknowledge this
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n6: but maybe my story can help others
mircea_popescu: !rate wywialm 3 Polish econ guy, trying to make quedex.net work.
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mircea_popescu: wywialm best of luck. there isn't anything glaringly obvious to say else.
wywialm: mircea_popescu, i didn't expect this, but i'm thankful
mircea_popescu: was another guy did something similar, trying to remember
wywialm: actually, there are two more issues i would like to ask you
n6: Started reading reading trilema about 2.5 years ago, and it was all, I could think about. But my understanding was lacking. so I didnt talk in b-a took it to all my friends, none of them seeme to care. but then one guy cyperpunk sort of guy... we talked about it for about 3/mo then he dropped off the face of the earth
wywialm: first,is the dual market model - we are utilising auctions on openings and closes. Do you have any thoughts on it?
n6: at some point he came back to a chan with just me and him and all he wanted to talk about was your site and doing mpex.. told him at first we didnt know anything we would just lose all our money to error or get robbed. but he kept pushing and I gave in and went to hook up with him in nyc
nubbins`: you went to hook up with him o.O
mircea_popescu: wywialm it's not an illegitimate approach. i can't evaluate how practically useful it'll be, but then again that's what you folks are in for right ?
n6: just very bad with it.
wywialm: second, is the stock options mentioned above - would you allow to issue options on S.MPOE, or would you allow creating an MPEx index to issue derivatives on it?
n6: we had a longer friendship then 3/mo and he was the one who told me about bitcoin forums (how i found out about mpoe-pr). anyway once I got to nyc, saw we both didnt know anything so pretty much told him I couldnt keep keys and we would lose all our money
n6: he still wanted to do it
n6: told him he should just do coinbr and leave me out of it
n6: said he was ok with losing all his money
n6: told him I wouldn't have anything to do with fiat only bitcoin and we would have to move out of the states to do it.
mircea_popescu: wywialm i'm not required to allow trading of options. for as long as you hold some of the underlying, you can structure its ownership in any way you wish. such as through trading options on it.
n6: he was also asking me to rep him in the wot ( told him he had to do that on his own )
wywialm: legally - yes, but you would be a stakeholder in some sense, so i'd rather do it with you knowing about it
n6: I was wrong. but your ideas saved me
nubbins`: i have 5 bucks says MP is getting a woman to read this back to him later
n6: I couldn't help him, thought he would do some reading on his own but all he wanted me to do was save posts for him to read.
nubbins`: your friend sounds like a chump
n6: even showed me how to save a post on my desktop.... into a pdf
n6: he isnt my friend he was someone pretending to be
wywialm: anyway, thank you for your comments
n6: sorry for how I acted, mind if i come back around?
nubbins`: n6 when you said "cypherpunk" i stopped caring :P
mircea_popescu: wywialm well i'm not entirely sure how that'd work, not like i'm against it or anything. but gotta come up with something specific.
n6: nubbins` for good reason... but he was the only person around my level I could find to talk about this with.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i always thought you're like the only cypherpunk here you know.
wywialm: sure, when technical stuff is ready i will let you know
mircea_popescu: n6 either i'm slow today or something's amiss. i don't get what exactly you think you did wrong from this story.
n6: I didn't interact with my first friend using gpg auth so someoen else just stepped in and was able too..
n6: we had only ever met online
mircea_popescu: tell you what, wen i was about 10 a girl that really liked me in schooil called me on the phone pretending to be this other girl i really liked, and she tricked me into meeting at the movies.
mircea_popescu: i didnmt think to ask for a gpg sig. bought her an icecream and we even kissed!
mircea_popescu: (yes, back when i was 10 kids went to the cinema on their own. fancy that.)
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n6: Yes, do you forgive me for being an idiot and trying to fuck up what your building with derping around?
wywialm: ah, in case you, the assetteers, are interested - Quedex is running beta testing combined with trading challenge. Participation is greatly welcomed as well as any feedback
mircea_popescu: wywialm you gonna introduce eulora copper derivatives ? :D
mircea_popescu: The sum of Bitcoin prizes in the challenge is 3.14159265 BTC. hahaha
mircea_popescu: "how do we do this, we don't have a lot of money to spend on it" "just pick a significant number, that's how mp always does it. people will think hey, it's metasyntactic!"
n6: seems a shame to come all this way and not finish the job.
n6: mircea_popescu: didn't you teach some kids how to use gentoo with RagnarDanneskjol ?
mircea_popescu: mno. just recommended him to give them something to do hopefully less retarded than what they were doing at the time.
mircea_popescu: (hostile messages won't be awarded points) << lol how da fuck do you police that.
n6: mircea_popescu: any ideas for how I might get back a lsub?
wywialm: the recommendations are moderated, also
n6: where do I learn how to do that?
n6: Got so much help from everyone in here, that was the only way I could even get the install working. even after reading docs for hours. need similar help here.
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n6: I need to compile it here and move it to there
n6: ok ttyl thanks for letting me come back.
n6: thanks shinohai, but not sure anyone is around who can help me, going to do some reading.
shinohai: what did u need help with lusb?
n6: it's missing on my gentoo install and need to install some wifi ethernet is broken.
shinohai: Well that sux. I can't be of much help when it comes to gentoo tho :/
phf: i need to reverse a list in lisp - use nreverse - no i need to do it manually!
n6: woudln't know never went to school asciilifeform dropped out in the 7th grade.
n6: and before that never did any work.
n6: seems to have caught up with me in the end.
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n6: I played video games and read selectively
n6: It means I didn't read to learn just read for enjoyment or until something got hard and gave up.
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mircea_popescu: very simple math in my head, "is this one doing a better job at X than the last/best one we saw to date". obviously in empty lines this is trivial. also perhaps not for everyone.
n6: mircea_popescu: how does someone go about learning Romanian?
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 17:15:00; n6: It means I didn't read to learn just read for enjoyment or until something got hard and gave up.
mircea_popescu: n6 same way you learn any language - find a native girlfriend.
n6: never had a girlfriend.
n6: was a recluse for 12~ years
phf: most romanian girls i've met on the east coast were doing work exchange at beach towns. they are very friendly and talkative because americans seemed to be scared of approaching them
mircea_popescu: phf gotta appreciate they grew up in a sane culture. you know, malecentric rapeworld of doom-evil thing.
mircea_popescu: so the world as reflected in their eyes doesn't actually suck the way it does for usian born and bred.
phf: i sometimes forget how it us outside of here
n6: shinohai: i'm not trolling
phf: mircea_popescu: you mean sane culture has a decade left to it? i've noticed the whole rapeworld thing happening to russian girls
assbot: Logged on 28-05-2015 03:27:41; asciilifeform: generally these folks have better sense than to come here.
mircea_popescu: phf "rapeworld". just because english tards use words doesn't mean much.
phf: i hope so, because the whole thing is toxic and oppressive
mircea_popescu: i think we'd greatly benefit from defining things here, i'm getting confused.
mircea_popescu: so, i see three things. 1) the actual rape culture as seen in "women are cattle" vory outlook on life and derivatives ; 2) the so-called "rape culture" wherein male dominance is generally recognised as natural within some bounds ; 3) the libertard nonsense, a recent reimplementation of the ancient socialist "great leaps forward".
phf: no, 2 and 3. i was saying that 3 is toxic and oppressive
phf: well, you're not experiencing it directly, and it seems palpable here, in the real world. like i went to a beach a few weeks ago in americatown (ocean city, md) and the vibes are just nasty. sluggish girls with stooped shoulders avoiding any sort of eye contact or making nasty faces at you if you linger on them too long
☟︎ phf: i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no, there was a group of girls that acted like normal human beings, coy and playful and active. turned out they were slovenian
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nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> nubbins` i always thought you're like the only cypherpunk here you know. <<< wat
mircea_popescu: nubbins` srsly ? downshifting, hanging out with obscure bands and whatnoit making posters all day. whjat else ?
mircea_popescu: phf it's funny to me, as a purely unconvinced observer of "culture" as a feeding epiphenomena, to notice just how fundamentally workable the whole species is. does it want a war ? it'll fucking fix the demographics and get it, and you can write any book you want - it'll help!
nubbins`: you make cypherpunks sound like slummed-out ne'er-do-wells
mircea_popescu: nubbins` did i leave out the psychoactives or somewhing ? whence the protest ? :D
mircea_popescu: "guy with a pgp key and a bmezine archive" = cypherpunk
chetty: <phf> i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no,/usa girls are taught that all men are nasty pervs and must be avoided, and even those who dont buy it must behave like that in groups
nubbins`: i actually went back to browse the BME community website thing
nubbins`: since they encountered enough nasty pervs to realize?
chetty: they listen to their peers, or at least behave as they do
mircea_popescu: they seem more akin to the counterfeit "collabolators" of soviet era.
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ben_vulpes: phf: running and logging the CS install
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ^ absolute iron SOP in usa << i do not get this attitude of yourn
ben_vulpes: i have a wife, wear a ring, and dates are *still* very easy to procure
phf: ben_vulpes: i wasn't talking about "dates"
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phf: ben_vulpes: also beach in san diego was a lot more pleasant overall then the one in ocean city md, so it must be east coast thing
assbot: Logged on 22-04-2015 02:23:24; ascii_lander: in usa perhaps 1 in 10 20-30y.o. females has the face of a human being, rather than a malignant motorized plastic doll
ben_vulpes: i think this whole routine of ascii's boils down to "the east coast sucks and more so in direct proportion to DC proximity"
phf: ben_vulpes: besides you're an american, let the expats bitch and moan :)
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ben_vulpes: you don't see much of a difference between nyc and the md burbs?
ben_vulpes: what and wait for bitcoin to shut down?
ben_vulpes shuts down bitcoind, sets reminder for self, wanders off to make coffee, dismisses reminder ('no way its's shut down yet'), forgetst to restart
ben_vulpes: been down this road too many times now.
ben_vulpes: what's the logline that indicates its let go of the db?
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chetty: usa girls are taught that all men are nasty pervs and must be avoided// on consideration not so sure they are wrong either
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phf: chetty: doesn't make for pleasant living
phf: ben_vulpes: mm, it looks like your install is picking up some extra packages that i don't have and haven't tested. specifically it's failing trying to build bullet related plugins.
trinque: mod6 | The whole 'we need to get to a sane environment -- let's use Gentoo' idea was pre-dated the rotor. Now I just gotta get rotor to work for me :] << for sure; my current efforts are directed at the problem of n00bs showing up, asking for a gentleman's computer, and getting five hundred contradictory answers on how to set it up
phf: i think that might be fixable using something like --disable-* or --without-*, i'll take a look at it in a bit
phf: oh that makes things even more interesting :p
phf: ben_vulpes: do you have bullet installed in homebrew? brew list|grep bullet
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ben_vulpes: myeah, let me rip that out and run it again
phf: yeah cs's configure takes --without-* param, so i'll harden the script too
ben_vulpes: installing again without bullet present
phf: i think i found another issue, that's present on my system too. seems like cs requires openal, but i don't have it in dependencies (nor do i have it installed). not sure if it just went past the issue on my install or what
phf: i did three builds so far, one was manual toothpicks and gum, the other one was generated using a shell script, but that was just unmanageable, so i'll figured i'll try homebrew scripts, which is the most promising so far
ben_vulpes: i can't do shell scripts without those two things.
phf: ben_vulpes: yes, of course
ben_vulpes: you'd think those things would be an 'of course', wouldn't you
phf: i was also trying to build gcc&co with the same script, which is where i drew the line. but if it's not self contained and i have to rely on homebrew anyway, might as well make it all modern and dwim
phf: ben_vulpes: i updated cs to not build untested plugins, so if you do brew update..
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chetty: phf> chetty: doesn't make for pleasant living/perhaps not pleasant, just real
mircea_popescu: i suppose anyone not aiming to get them pregnant's perverse by the general definition. this also includes the girls in question.
chetty: well what is and isnt a 'perv' is a pretty personal definition. Some might go with the pregnant call but not many, imo.
mircea_popescu: what's this personal thing ? can't have personally defined words.
chetty: well lets make it easy then, most of the 'men' in this channel would seem to qualify under common understanding of the word.
mod6: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: rotor built successfully.
☟︎ danielpbarron: i think it's perverted to "preserve the innocence" of kids like how parents spell out "bad" words and avoid answering questions of a sexual nature and whatnot
mircea_popescu: certainly a frank approach of any matter is a more respectable thing to do than any alternative.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> which is ?// consider the general attitude of women mostly only fit to be cows or slaves ...
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chetty: nah, its general enough, this channel is just more honest about it
mircea_popescu: most people are in fact cows and would greatly benefit from making the step up to slavery, but afaik i'm pretty much the only one with that view.
☟︎ chetty: nah, its just most couch it more politely
☟︎ mod6: trinque: would you be opposed to resubmitting your patch for the rotor to the ML as a attachment with a detached sig? I have a list of concise steps that is basically a simple script to do all of the steps to build rotor/static-deterministic-stator just need to get that piece into place. that's the only manual step at this point.
mod6: If not, I can do it for you. Just let me know what works, or if you need help.
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell phf updated cs log bundle for you
ben_vulpes: ran brew update, got new recipe, still no dice on cs
ben_vulpes: 90% of what i do around here is compiling other people's software
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 19:42:03; mircea_popescu: most people are in fact cows and would greatly benefit from making the step up to slavery, but afaik i'm pretty much the only one with that view.
kakobrekla: on which? people being cows? cows benefiting? cows taking up slavery?
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jurov: i'd say alf was ironic
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shinohai: Holy shit I feel like a bzillionaire now.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 19:42:46; chetty: nah, its just most couch it more politely
hanbot: i want to make sure i'm reading ml patching guide correctly: any/all patches desired must be 'applied' --before-- compile of reference implementation, yes?
funkenstein_: mats, thankfully my eyes saved by no flash player
funkenstein_: re: yes to welcome, i can't tell if she is african or arab
shinohai: No different here in the good 'ol USA. We have illegals all over the South. It gives the conservatives no end of angst.
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funkenstein_: how dare those people breathe air without having proper socialist papers
mircea_popescu: there is a fundamental problem in proposing taxes be used for welfare, and then going around and redefining citizenship
mircea_popescu: seems dubious whoever paid the $$$ in question was all too thrilled about it being used to prop up the fortunes of even his own countrymen,
shinohai: I feel lucky that the $$$ I paid in pays for my pension as is.
funkenstein_: i can understand not giving somebody soup at the soup line, but walking across a border seems ok to me
punkman: "In June, 15,254 migrants and refugees arrived on Lesbos, according to the Greek Coast Guard, compared with 921 the same month last year." << island has around 80k people, dunno how it's not overrun yet
funkenstein_: punkman, lol.. with that name I also can't understand how it's not overrun :)
mats: ben_vulpes: opportunists, eh
trinque: when you're talking about borders on the scale of a continent, talking about "illegal immigration" is yes, stupid
mircea_popescu: punkman the other sad fact of the matter is that africa is simply collapsing.
mircea_popescu: derps prefer not to talk about this, but outside of chinese sponsored enclaves and whatever few others here and there, subsaharan africa is going to be a slightly larger yellowstone park in a decade or two.
trinque: "you can't enter this city without being in a resident's WoT" << sounds fine to me
shinohai: Anyone that has a realbitcoin node running that can try something for me this evening please PM
mats: fish are friends, not food
punkman: "About 60 percent of the arrivals are from Syria. The next largest group, making up about 20 percent, are Afghans. But there are also arrivals from Somalia, Congo, Eritrea and Pakistan, among others."
mats: funkenstein_: plays as mp4 over here
mircea_popescu: i don't see how they wouldn't, practically. a drink's five bux in a bar, their monthly budget back home. what exactly would they do, not like they have any skills of any value
ag3nt_zer0: well yeah but it is still something to consider
mircea_popescu: the only way you pay someone to gtfo is with machine gun fire.
ag3nt_zer0: there are plenty of bums who drink and it isnt at the bars
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 the immigrant isn't starting any multinational corporation with his 500 saved up pula, is the point.
ag3nt_zer0: most people in america have just been infantilized into retardation and dont have the will to see clearly without internalized guilt frameworks sabotaging them at every turn
ag3nt_zer0: and they will kill you if you point that out.. with their mommy superpowers
trinque: try illegally immigrating to that city...
trinque: mircea_popescu: ah, well maybe we could make some improvements
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 funkenstein_ confirmed that the bug is only on my end, and not in bitcoind
trinque: I mean surely merchants are allowed in
trinque: my thought is simply that you should be vouched for by someone in a place before you're permitted entry
mircea_popescu: the golden crescent didn't have the "rights" approach to things.
mircea_popescu: you took your life in your hands. if some guy with more men and a whip felt like it... you were meat.
☟︎ ag3nt_zer0: well up until the early 70s in america we were mostly taking white immigrants who simply assimilate easier and are more aligned with the extant culture... Teddy Kennedy changed all that
trinque: my point's simply that talking about immigration at the nation-state scale is an absurdly large, unsolvable problem
mircea_popescu: kinda the internal combustion engine changed all that.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I see your point; if you have power, you're safe wherever you like
mircea_popescu: once you can move that fast, "immigration" is a weird concept.
mircea_popescu: trinque sorta like the lion sees it. are yo uan illegal immigrant in the savannah ? well... it all depends. how good's your roar ?
funkenstein_: well i guess we have illegal plants and illegal numbers.. why not illegal people?
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: oddly enough, this opposite of this argument is used by the left to prop up amnesty and all these things... that that's exactly what they are doing... bringing great contribution... and, someone has to pick my vegetables Im told...
trinque: I suffered through part of it; in general though, the outcome should by now be largely irrelevant to you.
ag3nt_zer0: but just nice to see someone there on their own dime for a chnage
trinque: Trump's just froth on the top of the last real estate bubble
trinque: I'm not going to deny that the man has made some money, but neither he nor anyone else has any ideas.
ag3nt_zer0: maybe i am getting stupid, but I find it refreshing
ag3nt_zer0: it lifts a bit of the fog of conformity
trinque: this is a man who hosted reality tv, rememeber
trinque: far from being someone who can see the "big issues" with america, he benefited from all the worst of them
trinque: I don't expect anything good to come of him except a bitching monster truck rally sponsored by Brawndo
ag3nt_zer0: it must be a sign of how low we've sink that I would consider that an upgrade
ag3nt_zer0: so i got this meetup notice that there are some etherium frontier launch parties this weekend here in the Gay Area... one is a dress-up rainbows and unicorns party...
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shinohai: ag3nt_zer0: etherium launch parties. srsly ?
shinohai: Of course they picked gay areas.
ag3nt_zer0: haha yeah... frontier launch i guess its called
ag3nt_zer0: its like a sore tooth as bill hicks said
shinohai: I'd get dirty w/ Caitlyn for 5 BTC
cazalla: ag3nt_zer0, how much make up to they want to cake onto that thing?
funkenstein_: ag3nt_zer0, Bill Hicks +1 thx, i skip the others ;)
ag3nt_zer0: funkenstein: tragic loss man... that's the "left" i used to love
ag3nt_zer0: i wonder what he would have to say about the left today...
trinque: he just took a lot of drugs
shinohai: funkenstein_: I will rate you for your help earlier, your feedback helped me fix this shit.
ag3nt_zer0: but i often think he might have had a naivety about the political spectrum
trinque: struck me as someone mistrusting big govt
trinque: but otherwise I don't remember a specific mention of his political beliefs, aside from seeing it all as bullshit
shinohai: It was goddamned stupidity and paranoia on my part.
shinohai: Nope, files. Those little files appended with ~
ag3nt_zer0: its contextual but I think he considered himself on "that side" if any side
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: sure, hating bush isn't being a leftist
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yeah I think he was just mistrustful of gvmt power in general
trinque: that's just binary thinking
ag3nt_zer0: well thats what i meant about the political naivity
ag3nt_zer0: it is not uncommon for folks to end up on the left
ag3nt_zer0: something about the jesus would have been a socialist shit
☟︎ trinque: I've done piles of psychedelics
trinque: I think that's just hippy nonsense
trinque: never after a trip was I moved to join hands and sing
ag3nt_zer0: well maybe its the music scene and the civil rights and the 60s and that whole ball of wax... that when people wake up on those substances, if they follow the "cultural
ag3nt_zer0: thread, they are led back to those "movements"
trinque: that's what I mean about binary thinking.
trinque: somebody takes a strong chemical, realizes that they've mindlessly followed this or that
trinque: so in their ignorance, they stick a minus sign in front of what they believed last and call it a revelation
ag3nt_zer0: yeah thats why I just got so disgusted with that side of things and those types of people
trinque: see: me listening to "satanic" metal at 14
ag3nt_zer0: because for me the message was poignant and had a virile, solar, maculine type of force to it... just as much as it had the feminine nurturing aspects...
ag3nt_zer0: funkenstein: hehe that old bag... RAW and co... fun stuff
ag3nt_zer0: i did that damn "visualize a quarter" experiment for a couple weeks and whne i finally found one, it was glued to the pavement
☟︎ ag3nt_zer0: which was not one of the proposed outcomes... which was perfect for the message
ag3nt_zer0: now when i read some of that stuff it seems only good for a certain stage
ag3nt_zer0: from raw go with the illuminatis chronicles
funkenstein_: i didn't know robert anton wilson had something to do with the subgenius
ag3nt_zer0: the earth will shake... the first one... i had a great time reading
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ag3nt_zer0: funkenstein: yeah maybe i am mistaken but i recall that he penned the principia discordia
ag3nt_zer0: or was somehow affiliated with that whole scene
trinque: forgive me, but I see a lot of this stuff as a sort of post-christian wankfest
ag3nt_zer0: prometheus rising is described as an operaters manual for the human brain and is a syncretism of learys 8 circuit brain model , korzybski's langugae theories, quantum gobbldygook, and other brain change shit
funkenstein_: "Rev. Ivan Stang originally planned on suing the authors for plagiarizing content from the Book of the SubGenius, but then realized that Principia Discordia had been written several decades earlier and that the Book of the SubGenius had technically plagiarized Principia Discordia"
shinohai: @ trinque anything post-christian is ok wid me
trinque: I am particuarly skeptical of simple models of consciousness
shinohai: We live in a simulation. I suspect mircea_popescu is funding it.
ag3nt_zer0: ok gonna go hack my monkey at the piano... good afternoon
trinque: funkenstein_: yes, how could you have a complete model of the thing inside itself?
trinque: sure I could say in some particular context you could model an aspect of my behavior
trinque: you can reach different conclusions here, I think
trinque: the one that makes sense to me is that having an identity is distinct from saying you have a model of your own consciousness
trinque: whereas I hear people try to link the two all the time
funkenstein_: interesting, consciousness as identity. does every thread have a label?
funkenstein_: making the analogy to silicon computer terminology, processes have labels - identities if you will
trinque: at least in my case, certainly not
trinque: it would seem that human beings have much more going on mentally than they're aware
mod6: <+hanbot> re ml: where are sha256sums for, eg,
http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html (patch)? << Hi, in the case of that patch email, the SHA1 sum is embedded in the file name. For example: asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip_192f7bc7c14c1d31c7b417c9cd77be51c4d255f2.patch -- if you were to download this patch, you could then run `sha1sum asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip_192f7bc7c14c1d31c7b417c9cd77be51c4d255f2.patch` and it sh
funkenstein_: it is interesting how studying computer science gives insights into our own heads
mod6: If that's what you mean. So in this case, SHA1 instead of SHA256, unless that's not what you were referring to.
mod6: <shinohai> funkenstein_ confirmed that the bug is only on my end, and not in bitcoind << ok thanks for the update
trinque: funkenstein_: makes sense to me that this would be useful for a brain
trinque: you go along absorbing knowledge, but don't always have time for conscious thought to intervene before action is taken
funkenstein_: absolutely. trinque have you read the carlos castenada series? some great vocabulary introduced to discuss consciousness
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 17:34:56; phf: well, you're not experiencing it directly, and it seems palpable here, in the real world. like i went to a beach a few weeks ago in americatown (ocean city, md) and the vibes are just nasty. sluggish girls with stooped shoulders avoiding any sort of eye contact or making nasty faces at you if you linger on them too long
trinque: funkenstein_: I have; entertaining, though yet again, I question any claims around having a system for consciousness
funkenstein_: one does not need a full manual to learn to tweek a few nobs I hope? :D
trinque: sure, his notion of 'seeing' for example
trinque: same thing a guy's trying to accomplish in zazen
trinque: or whipping himself with rope, or whatever
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trinque: which is a level of discipline over one's focus
funkenstein_: 1st attention, 2nd attention.. shift the assembly point
trinque: the art of sitting... uncomfortably
cazalla: how does one humanely kill a whale anyway? it's already outta the water, just get it over and done with and saw that baby up
trinque: thing was probably dead pretty quick from blood loss after being sawed in half
trinque: and probably already not doing great due to lack of oxygen
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shinohai: cazalla: you sneak up behind it and give it whale tranquilizer and whisper "Shh .. It'll all be over soon."
trinque: I'd rather get sawed in half
mats: I've never had shark before
mats: bet it's delicious with soy sauce and ginger
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ben_vulpes: <ag3nt_zer0> well thats what i meant about the political naivity naivte, you mean
ben_vulpes: <trinque> funkenstein_: yes, how could you have a complete model of the thing inside itself? << "to simulate a universe, you must have a universe"
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cazalla: Ethereum down -74.25 % today, much investment!