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mircea_popescu: <punkman> they must be pleased with
systemd results << they are. and mostly on the grounds that they're measuring badly.
punkman: they must be pleased with
systemd results
jurov: say, let's put time.windows.com or google's addy among there and make the occassional packet look like
systemd or windows emit
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe you can use
systemd to boot it
mircea_popescu: in fairness
systemd was born sort-of like reddit was born : collecting all the scum frothing at the periphery of a culture.
mircea_popescu: "I don't think that CoreOS registering
systemd.pool.ntp.org is the best move. as to me it sounds like @poettering simply doesn't want any end-users to view
systemd as some sort of a product providing its own services and, (at least in the minds of some users), being assigned the responsibility for those services or start treating
systemd as a separate product, instead of it being an integral part of the distribution
jurov: incredible, these lennards contortions "but we are not vendor,
systemd is not a product"
jurov: gavin should ask him to add bitcoin-nxt to
systemd. i'm sure reddit would be euphoric beyond measure on that
jurov: "No. We don't add configuration options for a thousand different things. This is really not something I want to see in
systemd upstream."
trinque: denying the underlying system like
systemd does
shinohai: I <3 Debian but the bloated
systemd kills me
ascii_field: thing is a turd, from the black-box cpu (all 'arm' are builds of opaque licensed blob from uk) to the '
systemd' shit ecosystem that will run on top
trinque: a few things (pulseaudio,
systemd) removed by USE in make.conf
mircea_popescu: debian used to work. then it got packaged into ubuntu, and the remainder was shot in the head with
systemd crapolade.
ascii_field: poor schmucks are almost certainly running '
systemd' from the looks of that demo screen
mircea_popescu: i dunno, by now linux is windowized enough. they can release their shit for
systemd/ubuntu/glibc-with-modules/etc and pretty much have it right.
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 if the guest does have /etc/rc.conf then it's not
systemd, tha'ts ruled out << ok *whew*. so yeah, both the parent and the chroot *have* /etc/rc.conf
jurov: mod6 if the guest does have /etc/rc.conf then it's not
systemd, tha'ts ruled out
mod6: ok jurov: got the log; I don't see any reference to
systemd in there -- but keep in mind this is the parent system.
mod6: and under /etc/
systemd there is one directory, 'network', which has nothing in there.
mod6: <+jurov> iirc
systemd does not do /etc/local.d << ok so yeah, i have these: 00_getsshkey.start 00_getsshkey.stop in /etc/local.d
jurov: iirc
systemd does not do /etc/local.d
jurov: also, i don't see steps to avoid
systemd in that doc
lobbes: Now to change the init to something other than
systemd (for reasons I don't fully grok yet, other than it is being pushed pretty aggressively, from what I gather)
mats: recent versions of debian and arch have
systemd fwiw
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 18:59:06; ben_vulpes: i'm looking for the 'how to gentoo without
systemd for noobs' link
trinque: you will in the default profile end up with
systemd's udev though
trinque: you'd have to choose a
systemd profile which is not the default
nubbins`: "The remainder of the Gentoo Handbook focuses on OpenRC as the default init support system. If
systemd is wanted instead, or are planning to use Gnome 3.8 and later (which requires
systemd), please consult the
systemd page as it elaborates on the different configuration settings and methods."
nubbins`: like trinque says, you have to explicitly choose
systemd trinque: ben_vulpes: you don't end up with
systemd unless you ask for it
ben_vulpes: i'm looking for the 'how to gentoo without
systemd for noobs' link
☟︎ thestringpuller: "It's all fun and games until someone jokes about
systemd" lol
thestringpuller: rich boy sellin' coin broke niggaz wanna jack this just bought a debian "THROW SOME
SYSTEMD's on dat bitch"
nubbins`: well, alf's not gonna go for anything w/
systemd trinque: I think some might look at it and compare it to the
systemd situation
trinque: BingoBoingo: this I think is the saddest thing about fuck-ups like
systemd, "cram everything into one program" is not novel. I wouldn't mind trying unix-like systems which *actually* tried something (novelly) different
trinque: mod6: "use flags" and package.mask for great justice against
systemd, udev, etc
mod6: what if gentoo adopts
systemd next week?
danielpbarron: gotten* / and debian is preferable because no
systemd mircea_popescu: ahaha. 1)
systemd is not nor will it ever be successful. 2)
systemd is a grease spot strictly because of the red hat drilling platform upstream. once that goes away, the whole set of fleas and their "successes" and "ideas" and choices and whatever also go away.
mircea_popescu: " have a thick skin (and so do most of the others involved in
systemd, apparently), and I figure that plays a major role why we managed to bring
systemd to success, despite all the pressure in the opposite direction. "
mircea_popescu: o. Currently, the
systemd community is fantastic, and I really hope we can keep it that way."
danielpbarron: if you must compromise, debian is not yet
systemd-ified
danielpbarron: 09:48 <+asciilifeform> summary: add '-
systemd' to USE flags << ah yes i forgot i had done this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know it occurs to me a broad
systemd test script would be useful
davout: danielpbarron: "at least debian doesn't have all that
systemd crap" <<< i was under the impression it was coming to debian too
danielpbarron: at least debian doesn't have all that
systemd crap
ascii_field: the runner up, and afaik only other working os, is 'arch' - which is
systemd-infested
danielpbarron: and if anyone has a pogo already and doesn't want to wait, i'd say go with debian over arch; right off the bat it looks like there's no
systemd with debian
punkman: fluffypony: don't tell us you love
systemd now :P
pete_dushenski: also looks like debian is getting forked into
systemd-less "devuan" sometime this year
danielpbarron: i like gentoo; very customizable and doesn't require
systemd jurov: inb4 "Our
SystemD in the clouds, hallowed be zer name, zer kingdom cometh...
danielpbarron: i don't know much about
systemd except that it's hated in here, and in "top" *everything* is a subprocess of it..
BingoBoingo: Dis-Able was first born. Disable spend many years in the shadows ruining sound and making daemon no one wanted. Pain came into the world with a bang out of Africa, promised ease at the cost of nothing working as expectabru. Two years ago they each decided to play the other's part and now
systemd is loud while ubuntu silent becomes the quiet daemon that breaks apps in the background.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other words : i have nfi why we care so much about
systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now, by completely unrelated crapolade like ubunbtu. << It's a twin story. Pain and Dis-Able
mircea_popescu: in other words : i have nfi why we care so much about
systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now, by completely unrelated crapolade like ubunbtu.
Apocalyptic: "Non
systemd users and distros are quickly becoming a threat. The big bucks behind projects like
systemd, pulseaudio, ahavi and, most recently, GNOME and KDE where very competent on training some great minds behind software development as puppets for their interests" sums it up pretty well