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Bingoboingo: * asciilifeform did not actually know how far gone the mit thing were << Kinda why Qntra research requires not just wallowing with the eagles, but wallowing with pigs as well
mircea_popescu: "MIT's hostile actions towards Bitcoin doesn't by any means stop there" << ungrammar
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Bingoboingo: One of these days Qntra is going to have to find an editor which can Engligh.
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PeterL: it would be nice if someone familliar with python could take a look at it?
PeterL: and tell me how horrible it is?
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nubbins`: in which a seller auctions a high-value coin without realizing how much it's worth
PeterL: that could certainly use attention, the idea is to have several lists to choose from
PeterL: hmm, i'll try to fix that, just a sec
mircea_popescu: that is the idea, yes. but the other idea is that it's not safe to use more than a few hundred words because natural language usage does not normally distribute.
☟︎ renard_abroad: can it be any wordset or a specifically normally-distributed one?
PeterL: ok, renamed and now it shows (if you want to run this, I think you need to make it .py again)
PeterL: the idea is you use whatever dictionary you want, i included 3
PeterL: but whoever decrypts it must then use the exact same list file
PeterL: the one problem i am still trying to fix is that it seems to ignore using a specified dictionary and always uses whatever defalt is in the config , I think i might have something wrong in the python logic
PeterL: mircea_popescu: it actually looks better when i use the short list i pulled out of my head, simple.dict, rather than the full list
PeterL: Now rob circle rib sew south wind bit park you, welt chomp swing through. Hag bounce hack ha
PeterL: Crenelate untwists pronating memorializes beclouds. Cellophane gush harmfully inferences bor
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PeterL: two lines each for the same message, but with different lists
mircea_popescu: a grammarizer might help put the comma in better, but yeah.
PeterL: well, randomly selected words will ignore grammar rules
mircea_popescu: yeah. this is a topic for study, it's not even clear more grammar-ness is a good thing.
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PeterL: use the resulting words as first words in lines of a poem?
PeterL: asciilifeform: easily detectable with naked eye. << or does it just look like sapm?
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 03:00:57; mircea_popescu: that is the idea, yes. but the other idea is that it's not safe to use more than a few hundred words because natural language usage does not normally distribute.
PeterL: could be easy enough to specify a document and have it remove duplicates to generate a word list
PeterL: would just require a couple more lines of code when opening the wordlist file
PeterL: is it so much worse than a pgpgram output?
PeterL: you don't have to look at it, just copy the file of text and point the program at it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so that it drowns out "conversation", ie, any plain channel stuff.
mircea_popescu: step 1 : build perfect radsuit. step 2 : glass the place.
mircea_popescu: and i expect gossipd to be undistinguishable for the phillipino/redditarded eye from current b-a log.
mircea_popescu: that it makes life impossible for the lesser people, who still depend on being able to chat without access to proper tools.
Bingoboingo: Grammarizer needs to aspire to creating stego prose leik: "Bob's feet were a horror. Advanced stages of gout had swollen his feet which were covered in sores, growths, and hard scaly patches. I know this because Bob's shoes were improvised flip flops, clearly hand made. I can only imagine normal shoes don't come in sizes that would fit over the swollen sacs of disease that passed for his feet. I'm not sure how he walked on these s
Bingoboingo: wollen growths, but they had to be painful."
nubbins`: now where'd i leave my milking gloves?
nubbins`: do people wear gloves to milk?
nubbins`: of note, there's a copy of the genesis block times in there
Bingoboingo: lol, nubbins is cashing out and bro'ing down
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nubbins`: some chump sold the newspaper to me for 0.25 btc
nubbins`: maybe i'm the chump tho. we will see
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin event horizon is such that anyone who buys is a chump on a long enough timeline.
white: is punkman around?
nubbins`: that time i paid an average of 0.5 btc per jazz cigarette, for example
mircea_popescu: that other time when you called blunts "jazz cigarettes"
nubbins`: blunts are this whole other thing
Bingoboingo: white: If he's not on nao he'll usually be on in the next few hours
nubbins`: i've been big on spliffs lately
nubbins`: Bingoboingo just curious, do you have body image issues
Bingoboingo back in the day used to like blunts and spiffs
Bingoboingo: nubbins`: Nah, at last not any more than any recovering alcoholic how last time on a dating site chose the "used up" body type at 24
Bingoboingo actually found the "swoleacceptance" thing as an easy whey to farm reddit karma for the idiogeneering.
Bingoboingo: What can I say. When I was a kid I wanted to grow up to be the kinda man who drank whiskey and I grew up to be the kind of man who drank whiskey.
nubbins`: i got a friend who's been through some times
nubbins`: we're walking around the town one day, the worst type of stinky rotten bum comes up to him
nubbins`: "buddy, you look the way i feel"
Bingoboingo realized he might have a problem when started leaving friends at the bar to chill with bums in the gutter.
nubbins`: sometimes one needs to drink all the booze
Bingoboingo: Yeah, but even going to 3-5 storytime sessions a week leaves me far more useful time in the day than a bottle does. That's really gotta be what scares Coindesk et al about qntra year 2.
Bingoboingo: That an serious talk now. Throw a dollar in the basket to assuage your guilt about all the coffee you can drink in an hour? What beats that.
Bingoboingo: Sure ben_vulpes et al would prolly shit on the coffee, but seriously not bad stuff for the middle west.
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Bingoboingo: Usually when I see the cans it's Folgers or similar, brewed to extreme strength of caffeine.
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ben_vulpes: aye Bingoboingo i'll not shit on the coffee at bill's house
punkman: oh man this shoulder/neck strain makes me want to murder puppies
punkman: white: is punkman around? << next time tell him there's a log and he can type things for me to read later
punkman: I don't know anyone from the philippines tho
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punkman: fun fact, "philipinesa" is a generic term for maid/cleaner in greek
punkman: and "ukranesa" is another for slutty maids
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punkman: Bingoboingo: are capsicum/mint gels a scam?
punkman: aforementioned shouldner/neck strain
Bingoboingo: Could work well. Would work better if you can find such a linament with an NSAID drug like salicyclate or naproxen in it. Or use two linaments.
punkman: tried yesterday for first time, was an ok distraction for a while
punkman: waiting for pharmacy to open to get some topical nsaid gel
punkman: if I can still move in an hour
Bingoboingo: Not going to magically repair the strain, but can cover the pain.
Bingoboingo: Just don't touch your dick until yours hands are clean.
punkman: that'd be an even better distraction though
Bingoboingo: Yeah, and you can use a lot more NSAID topically than you can orally.
Bingoboingo: The good old tylenol/benadryl combo can be layered on top of everything else as well.
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punkman: "€2000 fine, 30 day driver's license suspension, 60 days car registration license suspension and 5 SESO penalty points" << they really don't like radar detectors around here
punkman: "many early "stealth" radar detectors were equipped with a radar-detector-detector-detector circuit, which shuts down the main radar receiver when the detector-detector's signal is detected, thus preventing detection"
☟︎ Bingoboingo: Police don't really like radar detectors anywhere.
Bingoboingo: I am fortunate that Saturn plastic sedan really doesn't make such things necessary. Sure it does fine at freeway speeds, but nothing really beyond that. Also clean gray family sedan usually doesn't get much attention anyways.
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Bingoboingo: ben_vulpes: I switched to oglafbot and forgot to capitalize it
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ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you gotta see the swole life in action
BingoBoingo: I can't from instagram though. Instagram is broken.
punkman: I get empty page even with js enabled
BingoBoingo: My rad suit is fine. Instragram working would mean my rad suit is not fine.
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jurov: asciilifeform: thanks, custom allocators are surely an option
jurov: but atm i explore the idea that problem is not the frag, but mixing persistent objects (CBlockIndex) and the mempool
jurov: which can be fixed nicely, but has to wait day or two for definitive result
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mircea_popescu: <punkman> and "ukranesa" is another for slutty maids << why one'd get any other kind of maid is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own <<< that shithole's going so fast down the drain...
☟︎ mircea_popescu: <assbot> BitFury to Launch Energy Efficient Immersion Cooling Data Center <<< i thought they've been launching and prelaunching thios for over a year by now.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> ;;isup trilema.com << yeah not reachable atm.
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mircea_popescu: "Worse for the donors, they might even discover they prefer an absentee central government that doesn't centrally plan famine."
mircea_popescu: im tellin' ya, bb is getting markedly better at qntra.
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jurov found himself studying c++ rebinding allocators... an unexpectedly nasty corner of c++
mircea_popescu: oh but allow me to ftfy : * jurov found himself studying c++ <insert topic> ... an unexpectedly nasty corner of c++ << said everyone ever.
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jurov: i don't see any mention of rebinding stuff even there
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assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 06:25:07; punkman: "many early "stealth" radar detectors were equipped with a radar-detector-detector-detector circuit, which shuts down the main radar receiver when the detector-detector's signal is detected, thus preventing detection"
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assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 12:46:39; mircea_popescu: <assbot> UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own <<< that shithole's going so fast down the drain...
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ascii_field: 'The Coast Guard said the fire occurred as the ship was loading a cargo of liquid ethylene.'
ascii_field: used for transporting fruit, american-style
ben_vulpes: is ethylene that much more flammable than, say, propane or 'natural' gas?
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ben_vulpes: more carbons and hydrogens in the propane, ergo more flammable right?
☟︎ ben_vulpes labors under an american ME education - "just enough to be useful"
ascii_field: (flash point; how likely it is to end up near a spark; how reacts)
trinque: I've been discussing the problem of rejecting bad nodes (or having an affinity for nodes serving up good blocks/txns?) with ben_vulpes. ascii_field or mod6, perhaps you want to say something on the subj.
ben_vulpes: okay so a lighter gas would be more likely to float up and mix with ambient o2 and ignite?
trinque: looks like the existing node scoring mechanism is a turd
☟︎ ascii_field: trinque: i will say that we can't even begin to consider 'bad nodes' because nodes today HAVE NO IDENTITY
ben_vulpes: the question i bounced into #b-a is when it's acceptable for another node to relay a bastard block
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: 'bastard block' is a subjective thing - it simply means that ~you~ in particular cannot find the antecedent for it
trinque: ascii_field: we discussed this as well; even assuming a trusted gossipd net, there'd still be connections out to the unwashed nether world
ascii_field: trinque: a connection of the civilized world to the heathen world is necessarily a fortified outpost run by enthusiasts
ascii_field: cannot be considered a reliable thing in any sense
trinque: blocks/txns would not be originating inside wotnet for some time, correct?
trinque: would it be reasonable to disconnect after some number of bastard blocks?
ascii_field: the ~reasonable~ thing would be to NUKE the whole sync-from-one-at-a-time idiocy
☟︎ ascii_field: when your node is young, MOST of the blocks you get from ANYBODY are 'bastard'
ascii_field: because of the sheer extent of the retardation of the sync mechanism as originally written
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ergo we can conclude that radar detector makers ~deliberately~ sell sabotaged product. << "planned obselecence" at least VASCAR is nekkid eye detectable
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assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 19:10:11; ascii_field: the ~reasonable~ thing would be to NUKE the whole sync-from-one-at-a-time idiocy
ben_vulpes: still, steady state behavior deserves at least a little look.
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ascii_field: 'My OpenBSD 5.7 CD arrived with a green label affixed to the shipping
ascii_field: packaging that claimed it had been inspected by some U.S.A. customs
ascii_field: department. It had actually been opened and resealed and the green label
ascii_field: placed on it to inform me of said tampering.'
BingoBoingo waits for pete_dushenski to take Junkers Ju 88 out of cosmoline
thestringpuller: "So seek peace. But prepare for war. Because war… war never changes." - ulysses s. grant
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ascii_field: 'I think it's unlikely that it will be possible to keep any electronic equipment manufactured after the mid-1990s operating for more than 25-50 years, in part due to the floating gate problem (even in places you don't expect it, because *many* chips now contain flash memory even if you don't know about it)... ...50 years from now we'll probably still have a working PDP-1, but sadly not too many working HP-35 calculators.'
ascii_field: found the thread while looking for anything like actual longevity data on EPROMs
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Unless we move to PDP-11 and don't solve this Bitcoin thing in 20 years we will be out of machines.
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: the decay in question is charge dissipation, rather than whole-chip fail
ascii_field: the question is simply 'how long do the bits stay flipped'
ascii_field: answer is, apparently, 'nobody actually ever knew'
ascii_field: some 1980s devices still work. others - not
ascii_field: typically in a piece of konsoomer crud, something else (e.g. electrolytic cap) blew and no one found out how long eprom could last
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ascii_field: but it would stand to reason that, if designing for ultra-long life, you might want to use multiple roms and a voting circuit...
BingoBoingo: Still, bits unflipping on EEPROM seems... like a problem... Unless they can be reflipped...
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BingoBoingo: "BUS1 isn't being developed by just some unknown individuals, but systemd developer David Herrmann and Kay Sievers seem to be the lead (and only) developers working on it thus far."
ascii_field: if at first the shit won't stick, throw, throw again !
BingoBoingo: At least this means KDBUS is now dead before merged
jurov: pity. almost proposed adding dbus to reference client.
BingoBoingo played with adding low-s signing to his bastard client seems to work. Prior to 0.9 Bitcoin used whatever S-came arrived at first. Then in run up to 0.9 even-S was tested. Then low-S settled upon. Malleating nodes making duplicate transactions appear in my history got to be a hassel.
jurov: are pre-BIP-16 txs malleated too?
jurov: (reference clients accepts only them, i did not look into this)
BingoBoingo: Ones from address beginning wit 1 malleated, so...
jurov: no, BIP-16 is widely applied to 1xxxxx addresses, too
jurov: actually if you pay something with any recent wallet, reference client will reject the tx as malformed :)
☟︎ BingoBoingo: I started bastard wallet with 0.7-ish branch, so it can see some limited multisig, but... should be normal tx sent out
BingoBoingo: This is something prolly ought to look into moar
jurov: yep, part of it will either need to be backported or deprecated
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 22:33:23; jurov: actually if you pay something with any recent wallet, reference client will reject the tx as malformed :)
jurov: don't know. electrum produces P2SH transactions, that's how i found out.
☟︎ ascii_field: would seem to be an argument in favour of throwing out electrum
jurov: that's easy for you to say, you don't touch actual bitcoins
jurov: electrum should be easy to fix, that's not an issue. i'm just glad i won't have to decide this.
BingoBoingo: * ascii_field tries to recall what electrum is for << "lite" wallet that polls server. Might be useful "on the run" if have own server somewhere.
jurov: if i have to go back to manage bloated wallet.dat, or write transactions by hand (since wallet.dat is scheduled for excision from therealbitcoin), i'll prolly increase withdraw fee to 0.2 again :D
☟︎ ascii_field: if it can't rebootstrap bitcoin on alpha centauri, IT'S NOT A REFERENCE
jurov: yes we went thought this. with completely different memories, apparently.
ascii_field: now splitting it into another proggy? sure
jurov: it will prolly end up easier to remove it completely that trying it to make standing on its own
ascii_field: which afaik was the whole motherfuking point of trb
jurov: whatever. i know my own hand is not steady enough for this surgery.
ascii_field: the separation is a mighty gnarly job, aha
ascii_field: esp. if you want sane behaviour (wallet-over-rs232)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77900 @ 0.00048877 = 38.0752 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: i broke something, must redo whole database
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 19:03:27; ben_vulpes: more carbons and hydrogens in the propane, ergo more flammable right?
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 19:04:45; trinque: looks like the existing node scoring mechanism is a turd
mircea_popescu: assbot:BUS1: A New Linux Kernel IPC Bus Being Made By Systemd Developers - Phoronix <<< ahahaha mkay.
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 22:50:10; jurov: if i have to go back to manage bloated wallet.dat, or write transactions by hand (since wallet.dat is scheduled for excision from therealbitcoin), i'll prolly increase withdraw fee to 0.2 again :D
mircea_popescu: i'd link to trilema but apparently it's a lean monday or something.
mircea_popescu: "This is C++ FQA Lite. C++ is a general-purpose programming language, not necessarily suitable for your special purpose."
jurov: which version is the -TEST2? asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option?
mircea_popescu: But wait, there's more! C++ supports a wide variety of explicit and implicit type conversions, so now we have a nice set of rules describing the cartesian product of all those types, specifically, how conversion should be handled for each pair of types. For example, if your function accepts const std::vector<const char*>& (which is supposed to mean "a reference to an immutable vector of pointers to immutable built-in s
mircea_popescu: trings"), and I have a std::vector<char*> object ("a mutable vector of mutable built-in strings"), then I can't pass it to your function because the types aren't convertible. You have to admit that it doesn't make any sense, because your function guarantees that it won't change anything, and I guarantee that I don't even mind having anything changed, and still the C++ type system gets in the way and the only sane worka
mircea_popescu: round is to copy the vector. And this is an extremely simple example - no virtual inheritance, no user-defined conversion operators, etc.
mircea_popescu: At the bottom line, throw/catch are about as useful as longjmp/setjmp (BTW, the former typically runs faster, but it's mere existence makes the rest of the code run slower, which is almost never acknowledged by C++ aficionados).
jurov: the're like, imminent heat death of universe preppers