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danielpbarron: wyrdmantis, you wanna do some work for me?
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assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for wyrdmantis with note: fellow Eulorian; built some claims for me
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.diana_coman.2:dba3da3839fc0052905b86c13e166d8e514e01060515d64ae807a64bbfd5f948
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for diana_coman from 1 to 2 with note: fellow Eulorian; gatherer of groceries, and builder of bots
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.mod6.3:d1c206a1729acdefd25b4029459ab6a63b1b97e5e668f64756a6685d396cbe97
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mod6 from 2 to 3 with note: fellow Eulorian; did some crafting for me
Bingoboingo: fxd
Bingoboingo: * asciilifeform did not actually know how far gone the mit thing were << Kinda why Qntra research requires not just wallowing with the eagles, but wallowing with pigs as well
mircea_popescu: "MIT's hostile actions towards Bitcoin doesn't by any means stop there" << ungrammar
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.birdman.5:2669f7065e4491723bc9a9bb0ab68fc6848f175ccbe7ecebc44ea47f7a0779f4
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for birdman from 3 to 5 with note: many years in my meat-wot; fellow Eulorian; greatest gatherer
Bingoboingo: One of these days Qntra is going to have to find an editor which can Engligh.
mircea_popescu: fir srs
mircea_popescu: anyway, not bad whack
Bingoboingo: brb
asciilifeform can inglisch but has very full handz presently
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/12/the-mit-administration-infiltrates-bitcoin-projects/#comment-82629
assbot: The MIT Administration Infiltrates Bitcoin Projects | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nrdv1X )
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mircea_popescu: aaaanswert
asciilifeform: aaha yes
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61539 @ 0.00048 = 29.5387 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12432 @ 0.0004773 = 5.9338 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/4795/C-Standard-Allocator-An-Introduction-and-Implement << possibly relevant to the mega-pr0bl3m
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^ and for anyone else with an interest in mega-pr0bl3m
asciilifeform: (fragging in trb)
asciilifeform: see also http://www.drdobbs.com/the-standard-librarian-what-are-allocato/184403759
assbot: The Standard Librarian: What Are Allocators Good For? | Dr Dobb's ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y8vgNL )
mod6: thx for posting
asciilifeform: http://www.drdobbs.com/cpp/improving-performance-with-custom-pool-a/184406243 << see also, from same.
assbot: Improving Performance with Custom Pool Allocators for STL | Dr Dobb's ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y8vPr4 )
asciilifeform: ^ more to the point
asciilifeform: http://www.josuttis.com/cppcode/allocator.html << src from the b00k where i even saw this
assbot: User-Defined Allocator ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y8w4Cv )
asciilifeform: one of you folks is gonna have to do this, y'know !!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.00048581 = 31.189 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104668 @ 0.00048786 = 51.0633 BTC [+] {3}
PeterL: so I was playing with the idea of http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/ ☟︎
assbot: The PGP -w mode on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PUEQz6 )
PeterL: and I came up with http://btcscoop.com/steg/
assbot: Index of /steg ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOFrk0 )
PeterL: it would be nice if someone familliar with python could take a look at it?
PeterL: and tell me how horrible it is?
Bingoboingo: https://i.sli.mg/dNW0CJ.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YdPWyC )
Bingoboingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7022
assbot: Change default block priority size to 0 by morcos · Pull Request #7022 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOGr7w )
asciilifeform: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/12/11/a-surprising-number-of-americans-endorse-violence-against-the-government-heres-why << mega-l0l
assbot: A surprising number of Americans endorse violence against the government. Here’s why. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOGv7h )
mircea_popescu: oh, the fishwrap got a spin to contribute ?
mircea_popescu: BECAUSE.GOVERNMENT.SUCKS. d'oh.
mircea_popescu: PeterL that's a miserable list.
mircea_popescu: abaci !?
PeterL: which list?
PeterL: oh, the word list?
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1288178.0
assbot: [AUCTION] 2013 1/2-oz. silver Casascius .5 BTC piece ... ( http://bit.ly/1YdSBbx )
Bingoboingo: From same wrap https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/12/11/why-donors-demand-immediate-elections-after-unrest-in-developing-countries/?tid=article_nextstory
assbot: Why donors demand immediate elections after unrest in developing countries - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1YdSzjZ )
nubbins`: in which a seller auctions a high-value coin without realizing how much it's worth
Bingoboingo: !up referredbyqntra
mircea_popescu: yeah the word list.
mircea_popescu: !up renard_abroad
mircea_popescu: no way.
Bingoboingo: !up renard_abroad
nubbins`: hi renard
nubbins`: !up renard_abroad
nubbins`: both of ya, useless
renard_abroad: yet?
PeterL: that could certainly use attention, the idea is to have several lists to choose from
nubbins`: renard_abroad: yet.
nubbins`: welcome
renard_abroad: peterl: server barfs on config.py
PeterL: hmm, i'll try to fix that, just a sec
mircea_popescu: that is the idea, yes. but the other idea is that it's not safe to use more than a few hundred words because natural language usage does not normally distribute. ☟︎
renard_abroad: nbd just fyi
renard_abroad: can it be any wordset or a specifically normally-distributed one?
PeterL: ok, renamed and now it shows (if you want to run this, I think you need to make it .py again)
PeterL: the idea is you use whatever dictionary you want, i included 3
PeterL: but whoever decrypts it must then use the exact same list file
renard_abroad: aha
PeterL: the one problem i am still trying to fix is that it seems to ignore using a specified dictionary and always uses whatever defalt is in the config , I think i might have something wrong in the python logic
mircea_popescu: sounds exactly like what teh nsa'd do.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: it actually looks better when i use the short list i pulled out of my head, simple.dict, rather than the full list
PeterL: Now rob circle rib sew south wind bit park you, welt chomp swing through. Hag bounce hack ha
PeterL: rd light vale, acid.
PeterL: Crenelate untwists pronating memorializes beclouds. Cellophane gush harmfully inferences bor
PeterL: ons abeyance.
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PeterL: two lines each for the same message, but with different lists
mircea_popescu: notsobad.
mircea_popescu: a grammarizer might help put the comma in better, but yeah.
PeterL: well, randomly selected words will ignore grammar rules
mircea_popescu: yeah. this is a topic for study, it's not even clear more grammar-ness is a good thing.
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asciilifeform: i confess that i still don't see the point of the exercise:
asciilifeform: this is sad stego
asciilifeform: easily detectable with naked eye.
asciilifeform: and it grates on the nerves, even. esp. if you were on usenet in the late '90s and suffered through the 'hipcrime' crud
PeterL: use the resulting words as first words in lines of a poem?
asciilifeform: use however you like, but any public agreement re: precisely what to do kills the whole point of stego
PeterL: asciilifeform: easily detectable with naked eye. << or does it just look like sapm?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342638 << the solution to this is to use a corpus distilled from your own logz ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 03:00:57; mircea_popescu: that is the idea, yes. but the other idea is that it's not safe to use more than a few hundred words because natural language usage does not normally distribute.
PeterL: could be easy enough to specify a document and have it remove duplicates to generate a word list
PeterL: would just require a couple more lines of code when opening the wordlist file
asciilifeform: for the record, imho this is a disastrously bad idea
mircea_popescu: yeah that'd never work.
PeterL: why disasterous?
asciilifeform: i for one am not looking forward to ~ever~ having to mentally filter this diarrhea out of conversation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what conversation.
asciilifeform: anywhere where naked eye might encounter it
asciilifeform: (which presumably was the point of the proposal - make the enemy expend human labour to distinguish pgpgrams, rather than the present condition of being able to do so mechanically)
PeterL: is it so much worse than a pgpgram output?
asciilifeform: whole point is to blur the distinction between 'human text' and pgpgram, no ?
PeterL: you don't have to look at it, just copy the file of text and point the program at it
asciilifeform: can somebody (preferably mircea_popescu, whose idea this was) describe - roughly - the point of this ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so that it drowns out "conversation", ie, any plain channel stuff.
mircea_popescu: step 1 : build perfect radsuit. step 2 : glass the place.
asciilifeform: why even use a legacy system like irc then
mircea_popescu: yet.
mircea_popescu: i don't plan to use irc forever.
mircea_popescu: and i expect gossipd to be undistinguishable for the phillipino/redditarded eye from current b-a log.
asciilifeform: what's the point of the word salad when you have properly ciphered bits
mircea_popescu: that it makes life impossible for the lesser people, who still depend on being able to chat without access to proper tools.
Bingoboingo: Grammarizer needs to aspire to creating stego prose leik: "Bob's feet were a horror. Advanced stages of gout had swollen his feet which were covered in sores, growths, and hard scaly patches. I know this because Bob's shoes were improvised flip flops, clearly hand made. I can only imagine normal shoes don't come in sizes that would fit over the swollen sacs of disease that passed for his feet. I'm not sure how he walked on these s
Bingoboingo: wollen growths, but they had to be painful."
mircea_popescu: shit on the poor. it's a program.
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1288536.0
assbot: [WTS] Ultimate Bitcoin Collector's Pack -- RARE HIGH-TICKET ITEMS FOR SALE! ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOJXig )
nubbins`: now where'd i leave my milking gloves?
mircea_popescu: you drink glove milk ?!
nubbins`: do people wear gloves to milk?
nubbins`: hmm
mircea_popescu: yes.
nubbins`: ok
nubbins`: of note, there's a copy of the genesis block times in there
Bingoboingo: lol, nubbins is cashing out and bro'ing down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00048533 = 6.1152 BTC [+]
nubbins`: gotta stey in whey
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: some chump sold the newspaper to me for 0.25 btc
nubbins`: maybe i'm the chump tho. we will see
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin event horizon is such that anyone who buys is a chump on a long enough timeline.
mircea_popescu: !up white
Bingoboingo: !up white pawah
Bingoboingo: *powah
white: thanks
nubbins`: mircea_popescu this is true
white: is punkman around?
nubbins`: that time i paid an average of 0.5 btc per jazz cigarette, for example
mircea_popescu: that other time when you called blunts "jazz cigarettes"
nubbins`: blunts are this whole other thing
nubbins`: kinda gross really
Bingoboingo: white: If he's not on nao he'll usually be on in the next few hours
nubbins`: i've been big on spliffs lately
white: ok thanks
Bingoboingo: Really I thing -w mode stego should aspire to https://archive.is/plA29
assbot: Tales from 35,000ft: Behind the Beetus Beast : fatpeoplestories ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOKqB6 )
nubbins`: Bingoboingo just curious, do you have body image issues
Bingoboingo back in the day used to like blunts and spiffs
Bingoboingo: nubbins`: Nah, at last not any more than any recovering alcoholic how last time on a dating site chose the "used up" body type at 24
Bingoboingo actually found the "swoleacceptance" thing as an easy whey to farm reddit karma for the idiogeneering.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: used up!
Bingoboingo: What can I say. When I was a kid I wanted to grow up to be the kinda man who drank whiskey and I grew up to be the kind of man who drank whiskey.
nubbins`: i got a friend who's been through some times
nubbins`: we're walking around the town one day, the worst type of stinky rotten bum comes up to him
nubbins`: "buddy, you look the way i feel"
nubbins`: shambles off
nubbins`: O.O
Bingoboingo realized he might have a problem when started leaving friends at the bar to chill with bums in the gutter.
nubbins`: sometimes one needs to drink all the booze
Bingoboingo: Yeah, but even going to 3-5 storytime sessions a week leaves me far more useful time in the day than a bottle does. That's really gotta be what scares Coindesk et al about qntra year 2.
mircea_popescu claps.
Bingoboingo: That an serious talk now. Throw a dollar in the basket to assuage your guilt about all the coffee you can drink in an hour? What beats that.
Bingoboingo: Sure ben_vulpes et al would prolly shit on the coffee, but seriously not bad stuff for the middle west.
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mircea_popescu: oh is it microbrew ?
mircea_popescu: i hear cascadia only permits microbrew.
Bingoboingo: Usually when I see the cans it's Folgers or similar, brewed to extreme strength of caffeine.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.00047949 = 26.4199 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: aye Bingoboingo i'll not shit on the coffee at bill's house
Bingoboingo: lol
ben_vulpes: i'm scared of qntra y2 too now
punkman: oh man this shoulder/neck strain makes me want to murder puppies
punkman: white: is punkman around? << next time tell him there's a log and he can type things for me to read later
punkman: I don't know anyone from the philippines tho
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Bingoboingo: Oh, punkman isn't into the philipenis?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25970 @ 0.00048661 = 12.6373 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: fun fact, "philipinesa" is a generic term for maid/cleaner in greek
Bingoboingo: lol
punkman: and "ukranesa" is another for slutty maids
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punkman: Bingoboingo: are capsicum/mint gels a scam?
Bingoboingo: to use for what?
punkman: aforementioned shouldner/neck strain
Bingoboingo: Could work well. Would work better if you can find such a linament with an NSAID drug like salicyclate or naproxen in it. Or use two linaments.
punkman: tried yesterday for first time, was an ok distraction for a while
Bingoboingo: Well, that's kinda how these things work.
punkman: waiting for pharmacy to open to get some topical nsaid gel
punkman: if I can still move in an hour
Bingoboingo: Not going to magically repair the strain, but can cover the pain.
Bingoboingo: Just don't touch your dick until yours hands are clean.
punkman: that'd be an even better distraction though
Bingoboingo: Yeah, and you can use a lot more NSAID topically than you can orally.
Bingoboingo: The good old tylenol/benadryl combo can be layered on top of everything else as well.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56400 @ 0.0004881 = 27.5288 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YZXPs8uAB0
assbot: Say My Name - Vintage '60s Soul Ballad Destiny's Child Cover ft. Joey Cook - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjtZPE )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19966 @ 0.0004777 = 9.5378 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: http://www.wtfpl.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/wtfpl-strip.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rjup8H )
Bingoboingo: lol
Bingoboingo: http://www.wtfpl.net/faq/ << Actually seems too complicated
assbot: Frequently Asked Questions ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjuA3P )
punkman: "€2000 fine, 30 day driver's license suspension, 60 days car registration license suspension and 5 SESO penalty points" << they really don't like radar detectors around here
punkman: "many early "stealth" radar detectors were equipped with a radar-detector-detector-detector circuit, which shuts down the main radar receiver when the detector-detector's signal is detected, thus preventing detection" ☟︎
punkman: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/you-may-soon-need-a-licence-to-take-photos-of-that-classic-designer-chair-you-bought/ copylolz
assbot: UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXKRgo )
Bingoboingo: Police don't really like radar detectors anywhere.
Bingoboingo: I am fortunate that Saturn plastic sedan really doesn't make such things necessary. Sure it does fine at freeway speeds, but nothing really beyond that. Also clean gray family sedan usually doesn't get much attention anyways.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Guardian Malware Article Redirects To Malware - http://qntra.net/2015/12/guardian-malware-article-redirects-to-malware/
Bingoboingo: !up Terry4
ben_vulpes: Bingoboingo: https://www.instagram.com/p/-SBwV1Mcr7/
assbot: Jon Call on Instagram: “#tbt my 1st #backflip March 2002. Self-taught. Compared to a recent one. #motivationmonday #transformationtuesday #throwbackthursday #gymnastics #tricking #gymmotivation #bodybuilding #weightraining #buildmuscle #fitness #plyometrics #whitemancanjump #outdoortraining #garag ... ( http://bit.ly/1mjjIX6 )
ben_vulpes: also what happened to your second b?
Bingoboingo: ben_vulpes: I switched to oglafbot and forgot to capitalize it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.00047735 = 33.8919 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Also Instagram doesn't work.
BingoBoingo: lol http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/#comment-116042
assbot: Facebook sends traffic!!11eleven on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqzHJu )
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you gotta see the swole life in action
BingoBoingo: I can't from instagram though. Instagram is broken.
punkman: I get empty page even with js enabled
BingoBoingo: Actual image sites work leik https://i.imgur.com/II9MjM3.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWzema )
ben_vulpes: y'all need better rad suits
BingoBoingo: Seriously what Instagram is for the soul https://i.imgur.com/82BBrWd.jpg?1
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWzxxa )
BingoBoingo: My rad suit is fine. Instragram working would mean my rad suit is not fine.
BingoBoingo: Bullyproof windows and troll safe doors http://www.theonion.com/article/dementia-patients-family-keeps-ripping-her-away-id-52021
assbot: Dementia Patient’s Family Keeps Ripping Her Away From Idyllic World Of 1950s - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWzMs0 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36500 @ 0.00048074 = 17.547 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 288.71943, vol: 10360.14430170 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 285.4731876, vol: 6534.40147 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 276.444, vol: 1.13878602 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 295.513057, vol: 102370.29150000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 287.965, vol: 0.83736814 | Bitcoin-Central BTCGBP last: 288.432788986, vol: 28.95502265 | Volume-weighted last average: 294.371184655
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 438.65, vol: 10360.14430170 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 433.9, vol: 6534.40147 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 439.28, vol: 25036.28741881 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 1.13878602 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 448.960248, vol: 102368.35830000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 434.36001, vol: 31.95565143 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 438.269042978, vol: 28.95502265 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 445.854206962
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107100 @ 0.00047748 = 51.1381 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151211005837/en/BitFury-Launch-Energy-Efficient-Immersion-Cooling-Data
assbot: BitFury to Launch Energy Efficient Immersion Cooling Data Center | Business Wire ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWAJAz )
BingoBoingo: http://szabo.best.vwh.net/synch.html
assbot: A Measure of Sacrifice ... ( http://bit.ly/1SWALsl )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31555 @ 0.00048802 = 15.3995 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98400 @ 0.00047879 = 47.1129 BTC [-] {8}
deedbot-: [Qntra] Third Of Americans Not Opposed To Political Violence - http://qntra.net/2015/12/third-of-americans-not-opposed-to-political-violence/
BingoBoingo: ^ for asciilifeform
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00047543 = 11.0062 BTC [-]
jurov: asciilifeform: thanks, custom allocators are surely an option
jurov: but atm i explore the idea that problem is not the frag, but mixing persistent objects (CBlockIndex) and the mempool
BingoBoingo: Safe for work and lyfe https://i.sli.mg/tdXNH0.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yeqxoz )
jurov: which can be fixed nicely, but has to wait day or two for definitive result
deedbot-: [Ossasepia] Foxybots v1.3 - http://www.dianacoman.com/2015/12/14/foxybots-v1-3/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101832 @ 0.00048632 = 49.5229 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: very cool jurov
BingoBoingo: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23811 @ 0.00048802 = 11.6202 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16411 @ 0.00048519 = 7.9625 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99053 @ 0.00047668 = 47.2166 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00048418 = 16.8253 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.00048802 = 24.8646 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: that's interesting jurov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43750 @ 0.00047542 = 20.7996 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: <punkman> and "ukranesa" is another for slutty maids << why one'd get any other kind of maid is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own <<< that shithole's going so fast down the drain... ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !up Terry4
mircea_popescu: <assbot> BitFury to Launch Energy Efficient Immersion Cooling Data Center <<< i thought they've been launching and prelaunching thios for over a year by now.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> ;;isup trilema.com << yeah not reachable atm.
mircea_popescu: !up libertalis__
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25416 @ 0.00047542 = 12.0833 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: that was quick...
mircea_popescu: "Worse for the donors, they might even discover they prefer an absentee central government that doesn't centrally plan famine."
mircea_popescu: im tellin' ya, bb is getting markedly better at qntra.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00047506 = 11.1402 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51400 @ 0.00047656 = 24.4952 BTC [+] {5}
jurov found himself studying c++ rebinding allocators... an unexpectedly nasty corner of c++
danielpbarron: http://m.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Dallas-plumber-files-lawsuit-after-ISIS-was-seen-6695887.php >> Oberholtzer says that single photo ruined his life and business, therefore, he wants more than $1 million from the company he says disposed of the pickup, Autonation Ford Gulf Freeway in Houston.
assbot: Texas City plumber files lawsuit after ISIS was seen using his old truck - Houston Chronicle ... ( http://bit.ly/1OrdydT )
mircea_popescu: oh but allow me to ftfy : * jurov found himself studying c++ <insert topic> ... an unexpectedly nasty corner of c++ << said everyone ever.
adlai: !s fqa
assbot: 3 results for 'fqa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fqa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95137 @ 0.00047449 = 45.1416 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89986 @ 0.00048041 = 43.2302 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: i don't see any mention of rebinding stuff even there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.0004767 = 18.782 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32132 @ 0.00048662 = 15.6361 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88300 @ 0.00048889 = 43.169 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00048391 = 14.5657 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00048196 = 18.0253 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89550 @ 0.00048225 = 43.1855 BTC [+] {5}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342788 << the only reason why a receiver could even be detectable from outside of the car is a leaking heterodyne - and NOT DOING THIS is ww2 (for fucks sake) state-of-the-art ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 06:25:07; punkman: "many early "stealth" radar detectors were equipped with a radar-detector-detector-detector circuit, which shuts down the main radar receiver when the detector-detector's signal is detected, thus preventing detection"
asciilifeform: ergo we can conclude that radar detector makers ~deliberately~ sell sabotaged product.
asciilifeform: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa (via adlai) << long-time favourite of mine. and every word is true.
assbot: C++ Frequently Questioned Answers ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4WXCn )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62559 @ 0.00049104 = 30.719 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342851 << intellectual property!!11111111 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 12:46:39; mircea_popescu: <assbot> UK citizens may soon need licenses to photograph some stuff they already own <<< that shithole's going so fast down the drain...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24291 @ 0.00049104 = 11.9279 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36850 @ 0.0004819 = 17.758 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23393 @ 0.00048923 = 11.4446 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.00049038 = 19.7623 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00049104 = 10.2136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00049113 = 28.3382 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98250 @ 0.00049196 = 48.3351 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00049038 = 1.3731 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26959 @ 0.00048719 = 13.1342 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5851 @ 0.00047973 = 2.8069 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70100 @ 0.00049266 = 34.5355 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: much lulz in that c++fqa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00049286 = 8.4772 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: https://gcaptain.com/lpg-tanker-navigator-europa-fire-houston-ship-channel/ << burn more alternative fuels!
assbot: LPG Tanker Catches Fire in Houston Ship Channel - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQzwKJ )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
asciilifeform: !up FUCK FLEANODE
ben_vulpes: ahuea
adlai: !up ascii_field
adlai: huh
adlai: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'The Coast Guard said the fire occurred as the ship was loading a cargo of liquid ethylene.'
ascii_field: ^ not fuel
ascii_field: used for transporting fruit, american-style
ben_vulpes: is ethylene that much more flammable than, say, propane or 'natural' gas?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34218 @ 0.00049289 = 16.8657 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Ethylene-LUMO-2D.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQBjzu )
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Propane-2D-flat.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQBkUf )
ben_vulpes: more carbons and hydrogens in the propane, ergo more flammable right? ☟︎
ascii_field: heavier
ben_vulpes labors under an american ME education - "just enough to be useful"
ascii_field: 'flammable' is a complex thing
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes: yes
ascii_field: (flash point; how likely it is to end up near a spark; how reacts)
trinque: I've been discussing the problem of rejecting bad nodes (or having an affinity for nodes serving up good blocks/txns?) with ben_vulpes. ascii_field or mod6, perhaps you want to say something on the subj.
ben_vulpes: okay so a lighter gas would be more likely to float up and mix with ambient o2 and ignite?
ascii_field: aha.
trinque: looks like the existing node scoring mechanism is a turd ☟︎
ascii_field: trinque: i will say that we can't even begin to consider 'bad nodes' because nodes today HAVE NO IDENTITY
ben_vulpes: the question i bounced into #b-a is when it's acceptable for another node to relay a bastard block
ascii_field: because no crypto and no auth !!
ben_vulpes: yes yes ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: 'bastard block' is a subjective thing - it simply means that ~you~ in particular cannot find the antecedent for it
trinque: ascii_field: we discussed this as well; even assuming a trusted gossipd net, there'd still be connections out to the unwashed nether world
ascii_field: and the answer is: never
ascii_field: because said block could be anything.
ascii_field: trinque: a connection of the civilized world to the heathen world is necessarily a fortified outpost run by enthusiasts
ascii_field: cannot be considered a reliable thing in any sense
trinque: blocks/txns would not be originating inside wotnet for some time, correct?
ascii_field: txns - occasionally; blocks - not afaik
trinque: would it be reasonable to disconnect after some number of bastard blocks?
ascii_field: the ~reasonable~ thing would be to NUKE the whole sync-from-one-at-a-time idiocy ☟︎
ascii_field: and on top of this,
ascii_field: when your node is young, MOST of the blocks you get from ANYBODY are 'bastard'
ascii_field: because of the sheer extent of the retardation of the sync mechanism as originally written
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ergo we can conclude that radar detector makers ~deliberately~ sell sabotaged product. << "planned obselecence" at least VASCAR is nekkid eye detectable
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00048631 = 19.0634 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342939 << this this this, a million times this ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 19:10:11; ascii_field: the ~reasonable~ thing would be to NUKE the whole sync-from-one-at-a-time idiocy
ben_vulpes: still, steady state behavior deserves at least a little look.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Miners Enforcing BIP 65: Plan for SPV Miner Forks - http://qntra.net/2015/12/miners-enforcing-bip-65-plan-for-spv-miner-forks/
BingoBoingo: !up chmod755
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103050 @ 0.00049263 = 50.7655 BTC [+] {6}
ben_vulpes: https://gcaptain.com/u-s-navys-new-lcs-towed-to-port-after-breaking-down-off-virginia << how is gcaptain such a gold mine?
assbot: U.S. Navy's New LCS Towed to Port After Breaking Down Off Virginia - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkDnT3 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52628 @ 0.00048884 = 25.7267 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00048884 = 10.0212 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82350 @ 0.00048613 = 40.0328 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=145012430522605&w=2
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/legislation-targets-mizzou-football-team-strike/article_075aea21-6916-5bbe-8947-846d0fc8df71.html
assbot: Legislation targets Mizzou football team strike : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1mklMxW )
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/television/kansas-city-tv-crew-robbed-at-gunpoint-suspects-arrested/article_d0fdc00e-daf9-5525-b07b-4844090702e8.html
assbot: Kansas City TV crew robbed at gunpoint; 3 suspects arrested : Entertainment ... ( http://bit.ly/1mklQxI )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: hm.
BingoBoingo: I think assbot blinked yesterday
ascii_field: http://www.embraerds.com/english/content/combat/tucano_origin.asp << from the dept. of technocollapse & regression to old tech; prop fighters are... back?!
assbot: Embraer Defesa & Segurança ... ( http://bit.ly/1jYOJgZ )
BingoBoingo had to reup
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: back!
ascii_field: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
ascii_field: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144994394111508&w=2 << lulz
ascii_field: 'My OpenBSD 5.7 CD arrived with a green label affixed to the shipping
ascii_field: packaging that claimed it had been inspected by some U.S.A. customs
ascii_field: department. It had actually been opened and resealed and the green label
ascii_field: placed on it to inform me of said tampering.'
thestringpuller: ascii_field: why does war never change?
ascii_field: wut
BingoBoingo waits for pete_dushenski to take Junkers Ju 88 out of cosmoline
thestringpuller: "So seek peace. But prepare for war. Because war… war never changes." - ulysses s. grant
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 445.8, vol: 13005.99259328 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 441.0, vol: 8894.14121 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.07, vol: 30103.41183115 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 0.8 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 457.1244, vol: 101308.37600000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 442.62, vol: 297.75261732 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 438.4212, vol: 75.05928953 | Volume-weighted last average: 453.030161813
ascii_field: unrelatedly,
ascii_field: http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv021.cgi?read=237068
assbot: shelf life time of a ROM, EEPROM, EPROM vs Mask Rom ... ( http://bit.ly/1jYQn2o )
ascii_field: 'I think it's unlikely that it will be possible to keep any electronic equipment manufactured after the mid-1990s operating for more than 25-50 years, in part due to the floating gate problem (even in places you don't expect it, because *many* chips now contain flash memory even if you don't know about it)... ...50 years from now we'll probably still have a working PDP-1, but sadly not too many working HP-35 calculators.'
BingoBoingo: fuck
ascii_field: found the thread while looking for anything like actual longevity data on EPROMs
BingoBoingo: Now we've got a fucking deadline
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: wut
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Unless we move to PDP-11 and don't solve this Bitcoin thing in 20 years we will be out of machines.
BingoBoingo: Unless we start making fresh eeproms
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: the decay in question is charge dissipation, rather than whole-chip fail
ascii_field: the question is simply 'how long do the bits stay flipped'
ascii_field: answer is, apparently, 'nobody actually ever knew'
ascii_field: some 1980s devices still work. others - not
ascii_field: typically in a piece of konsoomer crud, something else (e.g. electrolytic cap) blew and no one found out how long eprom could last
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98450 @ 0.00048616 = 47.8625 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_field: but it would stand to reason that, if designing for ultra-long life, you might want to use multiple roms and a voting circuit...
ascii_field: so i wanted to calculate, how many ?
BingoBoingo: Still, bits unflipping on EEPROM seems... like a problem... Unless they can be reflipped...
ascii_field: eprom
BingoBoingo: oh
ascii_field: (though same applies to eeprom in spades)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71851 @ 0.00048884 = 35.1236 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42450 @ 0.00049098 = 20.8421 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: fighter jet https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Screech_Owl_named_Fod_found_on_USS_Harry_S._Truman_%28CVN_75%29.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1jYS2oG )
BingoBoingo: turd eating gnomes https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=BUS1-In-Development
assbot: BUS1: A New Linux Kernel IPC Bus Being Made By Systemd Developers - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1jYSZgu )
BingoBoingo: "BUS1 isn't being developed by just some unknown individuals, but systemd developer David Herrmann and Kay Sievers seem to be the lead (and only) developers working on it thus far."
ascii_field: if at first the shit won't stick, throw, throw again !
BingoBoingo: At least this means KDBUS is now dead before merged
jurov: pity. almost proposed adding dbus to reference client.
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo played with adding low-s signing to his bastard client seems to work. Prior to 0.9 Bitcoin used whatever S-came arrived at first. Then in run up to 0.9 even-S was tested. Then low-S settled upon. Malleating nodes making duplicate transactions appear in my history got to be a hassel.
thestringpuller: read that as fellating nodes
jurov: are pre-BIP-16 txs malleated too?
jurov: (reference clients accepts only them, i did not look into this)
BingoBoingo: Ones from address beginning wit 1 malleated, so...
jurov: no, BIP-16 is widely applied to 1xxxxx addresses, too
jurov: actually if you pay something with any recent wallet, reference client will reject the tx as malformed :) ☟︎
BingoBoingo: I started bastard wallet with 0.7-ish branch, so it can see some limited multisig, but... should be normal tx sent out
BingoBoingo: This is something prolly ought to look into moar
jurov: yep, part of it will either need to be backported or deprecated
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1343024 << how recent? e.g., works happily with 0.8.6 even ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 22:33:23; jurov: actually if you pay something with any recent wallet, reference client will reject the tx as malformed :)
ascii_field: in either direction.
jurov: don't know. electrum produces P2SH transactions, that's how i found out. ☟︎
ascii_field: would seem to be an argument in favour of throwing out electrum
ascii_field: rather than the reference client.
jurov: that's easy for you to say, you don't touch actual bitcoins
BingoBoingo: hmmm
ascii_field does - very occasionally - use bitcoin
jurov: electrum should be easy to fix, that's not an issue. i'm just glad i won't have to decide this.
jurov: !up ascii_field
ascii_field tries to recall what electrum is for
BingoBoingo: * ascii_field tries to recall what electrum is for << "lite" wallet that polls server. Might be useful "on the run" if have own server somewhere.
jurov: if i have to go back to manage bloated wallet.dat, or write transactions by hand (since wallet.dat is scheduled for excision from therealbitcoin), i'll prolly increase withdraw fee to 0.2 again :D ☟︎
ascii_field: jurov: scheduled for excision ?
ascii_field: if it can't rebootstrap bitcoin on alpha centauri, IT'S NOT A REFERENCE
ascii_field: ergo wallet stays.
ascii_field: i thought we went through this ?
jurov: yes we went thought this. with completely different memories, apparently.
ascii_field: now splitting it into another proggy? sure
ascii_field: iirc that's where the thread went.
jurov: it will prolly end up easier to remove it completely that trying it to make standing on its own
ascii_field: then you don't have pedigreed bitcoin.
ascii_field: which afaik was the whole motherfuking point of trb
jurov: whatever. i know my own hand is not steady enough for this surgery.
ascii_field: the separation is a mighty gnarly job, aha
ascii_field: esp. if you want sane behaviour (wallet-over-rs232)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77900 @ 0.00048877 = 38.0752 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: oh, while jurov is awake,
ascii_field: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/keystore.cpp?v=asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected << or anything else other than the default - indices broken
assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected/src/keystore.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5sfqy )
ascii_field: e.g., http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?v=asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected&_i=AddToMemoryPoolUnchecked is empty
assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected identifier search: AddToMemoryPoolUnchecked ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5sj9O )
jurov: ah,that.
jurov: i broke something, must redo whole database
BingoBoingo: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/Intel-AMT-how-to-disable-and-verify/td-p/661067
assbot: Intel AMT-how to disable and verify - Lenovo Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5tl5q )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342915 << nah ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 19:03:27; ben_vulpes: more carbons and hydrogens in the propane, ergo more flammable right?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1342925 << yeah, this has been the consensus here since we started looking at it. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 19:04:45; trinque: looks like the existing node scoring mechanism is a turd
mircea_popescu: assbot:BUS1: A New Linux Kernel IPC Bus Being Made By Systemd Developers - Phoronix <<< ahahaha mkay.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-12-2015#1343041 << a transactionator - A SANE TRANSACTIONATOR is actually pretty high up in the "stuff to do" list. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-12-2015 22:50:10; jurov: if i have to go back to manage bloated wallet.dat, or write transactions by hand (since wallet.dat is scheduled for excision from therealbitcoin), i'll prolly increase withdraw fee to 0.2 again :D
mircea_popescu: i'd link to trilema but apparently it's a lean monday or something.
jurov: asciilifeform: lxr fixed ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "This is C++ FQA Lite. C++ is a general-purpose programming language, not necessarily suitable for your special purpose."
mircea_popescu: lol nb.
jurov: which version is the -TEST2? asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option?
jurov: https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/net-p2p/bitcoinxt-qt in gentoo? wow that's quick.
assbot: net-p2p/bitcoinxt-qt – Gentoo Packages ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdRaTy )
mircea_popescu: gentoo's a fallen thing. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: But wait, there's more! C++ supports a wide variety of explicit and implicit type conversions, so now we have a nice set of rules describing the cartesian product of all those types, specifically, how conversion should be handled for each pair of types. For example, if your function accepts const std::vector<const char*>& (which is supposed to mean "a reference to an immutable vector of pointers to immutable built-in s
mircea_popescu: trings"), and I have a std::vector<char*> object ("a mutable vector of mutable built-in strings"), then I can't pass it to your function because the types aren't convertible. You have to admit that it doesn't make any sense, because your function guarantees that it won't change anything, and I guarantee that I don't even mind having anything changed, and still the C++ type system gets in the way and the only sane worka
mircea_popescu: round is to copy the vector. And this is an extremely simple example - no virtual inheritance, no user-defined conversion operators, etc.
mircea_popescu: not bad.
mircea_popescu: At the bottom line, throw/catch are about as useful as longjmp/setjmp (BTW, the former typically runs faster, but it's mere existence makes the rest of the code run slower, which is almost never acknowledged by C++ aficionados).
mircea_popescu: aha. lol.
jurov: in same venue, happened upon new c++11 std::random features (http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2013/n3551.pdf)
jurov: the're like, imminent heat death of universe preppers