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jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mod6: yes, intentional, if you're gonna be doing two different projects in a dir, they need to have different vpatch directories.
mod6: asciilifeform: and lol, the point is well beyond taken that you don't approve of the 'init' function.
hanbot: mircea_popescu lol i am blissfully unpestered
mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d. i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
☟︎☟︎ mod6: perhaps, this would even be the first genesis version. and then maybe an immediate subsequent vpatch to reintroduce said functions for those who may want them. or not.
mod6: (and you and anyone who wants to would just use the genesis or something of that sort)
mod6: anyway, we've been on this merry-go-round before. it'll get resolved eventually perhaps.
mod6: let me know if you need any help with V.
mod6: shinohai: it does get a bit more interesting when you have >1 projects in a local dir.
mod6: oh, no wonder tb0t was freaked out earlier. i hadn't updated it for deedbot's new control chars.
mod6: sorry, missed 2 places.
mod6: ok cool, it did msg me the help string.
tb0t: Projects: UCI | t | trb | v
adlai: it didn't respond to a request in PM
mod6: adali: thanks for trying to test, but you don't have L1 trust with deedbot
mod6: so that's why it didn't respond.
phf: i just reinstalled everything, so no rss reader at the moment. missed recent qntra
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why are you holding two separate projects in the same one dir ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: mod6 and then everyone will build on the later version, leaving alf version stranded.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 02:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why are you holding two separate projects in the same one dir ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 01:21 mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d. i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
mircea_popescu: "i have this here certificate ; i expect salary ; what do you mean there's work to do ? ewww!"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, linked for the obvs reason that cowsie nurses are creating their own "watermelon field" future!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 and then everyone will build on the later version, leaving alf version stranded. << indeed. fair enough
phf: i think mod6's v is trying to solve bootstrapping problem, by pretending like it's not one. you have to have v tools, and you also have to have your ~/wot. those are created organically, at which point picking up a tar.gz of vpatches or picking them manually is a nobrainer. but if you're a trb newb, you want all three at the same time, which seems like a subversion of v design. why not just have a v starter kit? you unpack it, you have
phf: a hand curated set of wot, v tools and patches
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 01:21 mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d. i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
mircea_popescu: very useful for entryway as it is. the monk is welcome to purify his learning after.
mod6: so, it turns out, in practice, that it very much is not so.
mod6: it is actually difficult for individuals who are new to this, to figure out the entire thing. and concepts.
mod6: and im stuck between trying to making getting trb up and going for people, in a "one-trigger-pull", and an organic vtron garden.
mod6: asciilifeform: what do you mean, melted in my hands?
mircea_popescu: the fact that you tried to build a badly packaged project (spurious split in two) has ~nothing to do with mod6 's bootstrapping tie-in.
mircea_popescu: again : do not fix the level. fix the god damned wall.
mod6: did you bother to read the extensive documentation that i wrote?
mod6: and then, you understood how to do such a thing, even if, ill advised?
mircea_popescu: "they were trinque's logbot and the base lib it was built on" << this is what you said. it is different from what you are saying now.
mircea_popescu: because that's the fucking point : for a project to be one project. not two.
mircea_popescu: that's the thing that has to fucking die, "libraries" in the linux sense of the term.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as a "library" ; and there is no such thing as "code reuse". put everything in a directory and build it.
phf: asciilifeform: i remember when i was talking about asdf, you were saying that the problem has been solved by v. in this case the split exists explicitly because logbot/ircbot are mutually dependant by asdf, but no in any v way
mircea_popescu: they are not mutually dependent on one thing. logbot depends on asdf-logbot ; ircbot depends on asdf-ircbot. these MAY be identical, but the fact that they are identical is a people-knowledge, not a machine knowledge.
mircea_popescu: create two copies of this "asdf" platonic solid, place them appropriately, they will be distinct items. and proceed.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when he finds a bug he goes and hangs himself.
mircea_popescu: stop coding for bugs, and stop wearing condoms to your babysitting jig.
phf: dijkstra could do it, why not you
mircea_popescu: check him out, adept of fits in head, worried about not being able to find the broken code HE SHOULDNT HAVE HAD. pshhh
mircea_popescu: libraries ; the modern coder's excuse for not reading code. "it's a LIBRARY!!11!!! dude. you don't read that!"
mircea_popescu: this is not a problem in the constraints presented. "create two copies of this "asdf" platonic solid, place them appropriately, they will be distinct items. and proceed."
mircea_popescu: you keep the thing you read, and paste it where you need it.
mircea_popescu: if someone comes up with a way to sort in linear time, you a) READ his way b) UNDERSTAND his way and c) IMPLEMENT it. yourself. that's the golden measure. and ideally you come up with what he came up verbatim. or else you have a discussion on the table!
mircea_popescu: which is what i mean : take that library apart, merge it into the bot, be happy, it'll be one project as god intended.
mircea_popescu: anyway, blessfully there exists this magic librarizing where "kernel" is split from "userland". which can be the border for a while.
phf: (asciilifeform: have you tried reading bordeaux-threads that cl-irc depends on? that thing is nasty. kind of defeats the whole "here's a clean irc bot vpatch" if you're pulling dodgy, constantly changing dependencies)
phf: bordeaux-threads? it's being updated, last commit is june 25, 2016. main problem though is that you never know when it's going to get the cffi treatment, or slime treatment, etc.
mod6: is this not what you're trying to do? one parent dir, two child 'patches' dirs ('trb' and 'ircbot'), each with respective seal dirs ('.trb-seals' and '.ircbot-seals') both being able to be used ~fine~ with v.pl (v99995)
mircea_popescu: and since you wash what you bring home, esp prior to use, well...
mod6: so this is what you ran into?
mod6: it does that on purpose.
mod6: if you want to ~re-sync~, you need to use: 'sa', 'se', 'ss', or 'sv'
mod6: so here's my using 'init' to sync trb, and trinque's ircbot, then using both. trb with the default 'patches' and '.seals' and ircbot with the non-default:
http://dpaste.com/2EFW6G4.txt mircea_popescu: <mod6> did you bother to read the extensive documentation that i wrote? <
mod6: i've never even seen his cookbook, but perhaps his doesn't have more than one project in a dir. but indeed, ya, you can do that. even if 'tis ill advised.
phf: asciilifeform: being updated in a sense that we can't have a meaningful v conversation, since your b-t is from 2009, mine is from 2011 and trinque's is from 2016 most likely. all logbot has is a pointer to "cl-log". for all i know tomorrow's version of cl-log is not even going to have b-t in ir
mod6: <+asciilifeform> anyway this is not a bug report for mod6 << no worries either way. more than anything, I want to help you use it successfully. :]
mod6: ok, yah. his thing basically figures that you make a new dir and so-forth
mod6: no worries, glad it's resolved.
deedbot: judywatson voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: you better wise up, janet weiss
mircea_popescu: and in other jours de la francophonie news, "Please carefully read. Sorry for the inconveniences it might occur to you, maybe if youЎЇre not interested in this my proposal I will be offering to you now, and again also I will be very sorry if my English writings do not meet your expectationЎЇs, please try to understands my country is officially a French speaking country, but I have to use English language for writing you
mircea_popescu: in the way I can, because itЎЇs the world general business language which can simply understand in anywhere in the world, well I am the son of the former president of Cote D'Ivoire (ivory coast) in west Africa Mr. Laurent Gbagbo."
mircea_popescu: (the guy being impersonated is kinda interesting, a sort of rhodesia.fr)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 15:11 mircea_popescu: "i understand ruby! put it in docker and rub puppett on your clittie!"
thestringpuller: I was knee deep in a project that used all 3 a couple days ago. I'm still washing off the stench :(
thestringpuller: well salt mine is actually a latrine too. everything pretty much smells like shit when clean latrines all day.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
trinque: there is no small amount of lines anyone will read?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
trinque: iirc ben_vulpes did too, so I retract the "anyone"
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 02:39 mircea_popescu: create two copies of this "asdf" platonic solid, place them appropriately, they will be distinct items. and proceed.
trinque: but I think this would be an interesting experiment, and should be possible in lisp
trinque: to programmatically slurp all used items into your own code
peterl: !!v 8E6A5A612E4CA2389D2CE81A7C151370D281FDF3F4EA90718678A7D1B6613CF7
deedbot: peterl rated scoopbot 1 << A bot I made
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, and I said a while back I will perhaps sign an implementation of RSA, but *never* a large crypto library
trinque: asciilifeform: oh yes it would.
trinque driving for a bit, will rejoin thread in ~1hr
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the main cause of all the turmoil whenever we discuss this particular thing is that you keep confusing syntax and meta-syntax. but it's finally clearing up, because eg. "where i could, e.g., (require "a591af34" is starting to sound like sanity, which is to say, that you import primitives rather than collations.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the concept of "library" as "this collection of primitives" is meta-syntactic, and strictly personal idiomatic. that a bunch of anglotards try this thing where they "all mean nigger in the same sense - and everyone always does!" is just you know, anglotards being anglotards.
mircea_popescu: the concept of "require" as "this particular primitive" is one thing ; but the way it's practiced and the way fucking galls me is as "this particular collection".
mircea_popescu: in sanity, you are supposed to a) be acquainted with functions, objects, structures, etc by name ; and on the grounds of having read and wrote them until they revealed all their secrets, no "we got to second base" bullshit ; b) import them, and them only. which is why "require library" is so fucking idiotic.
mircea_popescu: and if you CAN'T do this, then the solution is to go, read. i also can't speak maori, but this doesn't mean i sit around and make "maori sounding" noises.
Framedragger: mein gott. decided to deploy one of the newer 'productivity web apps' for work, official install is through docker, and *obviously* official docker install is `wget -qO-
https://get.docker.com/ | sh`. BUT LOOK at the end of that legit2000.sh is:
☟︎ Framedragger: # wrapped up in a function so that we have some protection against only getting
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 14:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the main cause of all the turmoil whenever we discuss this particular thing is that you keep confusing syntax and meta-syntax. but it's finally clearing up, because eg. "where i could, e.g., (require "a591af34" is starting to sound like sanity, which is to say, that you import primitives rather than collations.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: thanks for reminding me of kharms, that's *one* modern russian writer i've actually read (in .lt), good stuff. recall reading it on a bench in park with friend and a bottle of something strong between us. people smirked at us, i smirked back
jhvh1: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
thestringpuller: Framedragger: OMG. You have spoken exactly what I feel with all our dockerized apps.
phf: trinque: i was being fanciful. i used most of the ircbot for a111, so had to at least stackoverflow read it ;P
phf: i think asdf is evil, version 3 is doing some straight up systemd shit. for those who don't know asdf 3 comes with fare's own portability layer called uiop, which in a very systemd agressive and underhanded style is superseding existing utility libraries.
☟︎ phf: indeed, and it's also very idiosyncratic, to the point where i don't think anyone but Fare can work on it. on a whim i switched my system to asdf 1.* (last release before peanut gallery took asdf over) and not surprisingly everything works, ~except~ when project explicitly relies on asdf3 functionality, which is exclusively test hooks, uiop and hardcoded "needs asdf>3" requirements
phf: in related news i finally read genera's defsystem spec and not only does it ~makes sense~ it's also obvious that first takes on c-land defsystems was a pale imitation of original functionality, i.e. слышит звон но не знает где он
Framedragger: phf: is that spec available online somewhere (or, keywords) by any chance? curious to take a peek at some point.. is it published by symbolics?
phf: Framedragger: entire set of symbolics documents is on the bitsavers, i can track down relevant bits for you, but it'll take a bit, since i was reading it on a lispm
Framedragger: phf: aha, bitsavers, noted, thanks! alf's archive.org copy should do just fine.. there's even plain text format, doesn't appear to be garbled
phf: Framedragger: alf's archive link ~is~ bitsavers, it's just not like 1 pdf. it's about 200 of them, so you kind of need to narrow it down a bit
phf: i'm hoping that for my deeds dks will grant me a boon, "i asked 'er for a hair from her head. she gave me three"
mircea_popescu: phf the moral being that communities belong enslaved ; and not in control.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there's this deep pastoral root of his specific flavour ; he sounds in a sense like twain, and like jerome k jerome, and like the arab absurdists.
shinohai: add trilema.com to twitter bot and get 250k impressions in a week
phf: when i hear the word community ..., i release the safety on my browning
adlai learned that before pressing the clock, he counts again liberties of each group. this is as relevant to irc as it is to pokemon.
adlai: sadly the archiveception waned oiotoshic
phf: they are much better with thought control, out there in jew land. former ussr engineers, what do you expect.
adlai: EUGENICISTS LITERALLY GENOCIDE HIM
trinque: ah, that's more like it adlai
trinque hasn't had a good deed poem in a while
adlai hasn't had a ~good~ deed poem in his entire life
shinohai: thy rod and thy staff they comfort me
mircea_popescu: "one day, orlov got indigestion from a pea dish, and died. krilov, hearing such, died too. spiridonov however died all by himself. and his wife fell from the cupboard and also died. and his children drowned in a pond. and his grandmother took to the bottle and started hitchhiking."
adlai: "... and then there were none"
mircea_popescu: such pravoslavnic folk and they can't find themselves a stable situation.
adlai: what do horse quarters have to do with the price of eggs in wottistan?
adlai: anyway, it turns out that there is 'free energy' to be scalped off markets other than s.mpoe[RIP]. who'da thunk?
adlai: ARE WE THE GODS OF OUR UNIVERSE?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: recommendations for wp footnote plugin? footnotes-in-footnotes would be a grand feature if any can do that and it's not a mp-wp-footnotes custom job
ben_vulpes: great, back into org mode export html cranking
phf: mp's footnotes have a nifty feature, where each footnote is unique over the publishing history. would be hard to do it manually
phf: ben_vulpes: don't listen to him, he's insane
ben_vulpes: why do unique footnotes over whole thing matter?
ben_vulpes: hey genuinely curious what you see in that
phf: when you include multiple articles in an aggregation, footnotes just work(tm)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes footnotes in footnote i actually do by hand.
mircea_popescu: deliberately, too. some things should be painful to produce.
mircea_popescu: this'd be the exactly counterpart to the very common "mp is in heaven and i am in hell, life is so unfair" ever-so-common approach. "oh look, i thought i too had a blog ; except check out what a proper one actually does!"
ben_vulpes: how'd you arrange for the unique-over-blog handles?
mircea_popescu: from which we find that, remarkably, by mid sept 2016 trilema had published 68.8k footnotes and 68.8k images.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the protection here is that if indeed this item is to be used "like a dollar bill", then that's protection enough.
mircea_popescu: it's not worth it to third party to copy for one dollar ; and otherwise the supply floats at the pleasure of the issuer.
mircea_popescu: so buyer is getting literally what was promised him : a small USB stick that allows you to spend Bitcoin like a dollar bill.
mircea_popescu: yeah, well. problem begins when consumer prefers to pretend everything scales liniarly.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, to be a consumer means - you get comfortable X, and no possibility to scale it.
mircea_popescu: how is it antipedagogic ? is fire antipedagogic also ?
mircea_popescu: if judged by effects, fire is more pedagogic than university.
mircea_popescu: the part you don't seem to at all grasp is that ~nobody cares.
mircea_popescu: literally. there are more of these vomit kernels "published" on social media than there are readers.
mircea_popescu: you might as well apply basic grammar to myspace postings.
mircea_popescu: wait, this was a "basics of hardware reverse engineering" class ?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: and you ask why I'm trudging through the latrines?
thestringpuller: really!?!?!? just because one latrine is dirt and the other is marble you don't care about the smell of the shit?
thestringpuller: but i understand. i would be interested to see asciilifeform design of "opendime-like" device
thestringpuller: lemme rephrase "I'm interested in scheme by ALF for offline BTC exchange"
thestringpuller: Is it braindamaged if you give ben_vulpes bag of benjies and he hands you paper wallet?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: lemme ask this. Lets say TMSR existed on meatspace island. ben_vulpes mod6 phf asciilifeform are all small business owners. Would you trust exchanging "phsyical btc" with them and only them, or still only in "one shot scenario"?
a111: Logged on 2016-01-17 21:13 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it works by ben_vulpes, sultan of brunei, and king of saud, sending each other pgpgrams with signed chits of how many tonnes of plutonium each owes the other.
thestringpuller: This I understand. Accounting of that sort cannot exist outside of strong WoT. Cuz scammers.
thestringpuller: I was just wondering in context of WoT, does it make sense then? or is it still braindamaged.
mircea_popescu: the only question remains, how long ago was thestringpuller actually replaced with the markov device.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i need to be more descriptive. devil in details and all that.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Details in my inquiries and thoughts. My inquiry was more along the lines of "offchain" accounting in physical world. Answer is: priv key on paper.
thestringpuller: so boil it down even more. write down who owes what after years of bar tab. send address, settle up.
thestringpuller: those same folks also want bigger blocks to pay for their coffee
thestringpuller: well there is a subset of folks who want bigger blocks for reasons you specified (for coffee), but still think physical btc is "good idea"
thestringpuller: you know the ones who hate "offchain solutions" for those very reasons of not creating on-chain transaction
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 15:11 asciilifeform: when you transact with btc the way it was built to be transacted with, the problem does not exist.
ben_vulpes: best part is the new jersyite "this is bad" refrain
ben_vulpes: second best part is how the princess ship just hauls ass out to sea
ben_vulpes: i don't know what you're looking at for those zeros
ben_vulpes: ho that's an entirely different angle from what i saw
ben_vulpes: crane draped over a container ship in progress
ben_vulpes: oh man and the video of containers toppling
mircea_popescu: oh by the way asciilifeform , TWO STROKE ship engine. because yes, when you have the space and need the efficiency, it beats 4stroke.
mircea_popescu: that it may be ; but it's still a two stroke engine (total oil loss, for example)
mircea_popescu: oil gets arbitrarily fine dust. hence the blue tinge of eg truck exhaust
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me was expecting this protest re "buy a tanker", but never heard it.
ben_vulpes: well reeeeallly you want a turbo for that volumetric efficiency
ben_vulpes: scavenge heat, don't suck power off the main shaft.
ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542439 << so i've done my own digging and asked a few others to dig as well, and i can't figure out what "the code" i'm supposed to have is. grepping for 'footnote' turns up zilch in my copy of mp-wp. throw me a bone here?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 18:01 mircea_popescu: you know you already have the code.
trinque: Alpha or not, I’m not a stat. And that’s perhaps the most an individual can hope for. << aha. who the fuck cares? now leave me alone.
diana_coman: for 1 sec I thought ben_vulpes actually *washes* the dishes ; as in using sponge+washing liquid, no dishwasher
ben_vulpes: while the garburator was tradeable, the dishwasher was not
ben_vulpes: previous flat had garburator and dishwasher
ben_vulpes: when i packed 5 people into a rotting victorian proximate to the eng/art schools
phf misses morning cold of dacha outhouse
ben_vulpes: the particularly annoying thing about this current house is that i don't see a clean way to install the garburator.
phf: probably would have to run one of those stove/fridge lines
phf: asciilifeform: walls and wiring is so janky, there's always something sticking out that you can hook too
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: probably unclear that i'm still renting.
ben_vulpes: fun thing about this house, when i was rewiring the laundry room with sane 220 plugs, i threw the breaker for the laundry room and STILL ZAPPED MYSELF
ben_vulpes: which shouldn't even be possible if the circuit were disconnected.
ben_vulpes: no, there is a ground stake. i personally caught tingles off the housing though.
ben_vulpes: regardless of the grounding, there should have been no voltage on the thing if it were actually wired into the laundry room breaker
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: most contractors are idiots and don't know how to build a fucking house.
thestringpuller: when our hot water heater went out, we discovered the tank was 50 gallons too small for our house which is why we were always running out of hot water. I srsly doubt any contractor does satisfactory work in any "home improvement" tasks
thestringpuller: they must pay off regulators to pass it off as being "up to code" or something...
phf: correct method is to never trust anything your house says and connect tester/bulb before doing any electric.
phf: and i've been in the vulpes situation, where throwing a breaker would ~dim~ the bulb
phf: can also do traditional su master/apprentice trick of "can you hand me that wire"
phf: in fact, it's best to treat interactions with u.s. infrastructure as a trip to the zone from пикник на обочине (or stalker for en readers), where rules of physics don't apply, nothing is what it seems and you're not guaranteed to come back alive
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-15: [20:30:04] <ben_vulpes>
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542439 << so i've done my own digging and asked a few others to dig as well, and i can't figure out what "the code" i'm supposed to have is. grepping for 'footnote' turns up zilch in my copy of mp-wp. throw me a bone here?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the authors are rather competent fellows, at least the footnote dude is still active etc, drop ~him~ a line.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nifty. any feedback to relay?
mircea_popescu remembers the good old days when girls washed chemlab gear by hand. every day and every night.
ben_vulpes: ah i just realized that i forgot to include a solid three hundred word rant on the evils of nonstick in this context
shinohai: i was lucky my loot was still where i dropped
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: scraping tools are a+, and cost ~2.45 from where linked.
ben_vulpes: the chain mail is moderately more expensive but a /very/ effective replacement for such as steel wool.
mircea_popescu: i am proud to say i never to this day restored a battery ; and this includes the old days of communist romania, for both car batteries and the 4.5 volt zinc-manganese three-cell assembiles
mircea_popescu: (yeah people kitchen-restored both of those! people tried to run the dacias on toluene, you can't imagine how industrious socialists get.)
mircea_popescu: (methods included "put on hot something for a while" and not much else.)
mircea_popescu: now let's point out that the categorical differnce you apparently hallucinate midway through this single object ain't there.
mircea_popescu: henry 8 washed nothing evne close to that general area, ever.
mircea_popescu: i'm not so up to date on anglotard pretenders. was this the one with a permanent abscess secondary to inguinal hernia that consequently smelled bad and disgusted some euro princess ?
mircea_popescu was reading pete d, ended up on "Knowing that on average humans have one testicle and one ovary, what are the odds that this human's left ovary is a testicle ?"
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-15: [21:39:10] <ben_vulpes> the anxiety is crippling
mircea_popescu: very inept job. for the same money could have left the keyboard as a cover.
mircea_popescu: total hatched job. and wtf is with that junk everywhere.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-15: [22:10:50] <phf> asciilifeform: walls and wiring is so janky, there's always something sticking out that you can hook too
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> would have to spelunk in walls. << Nah do it right and bend some fucking conduit.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160915/#564 << which is why i love them. you sign contract, then you sign their faults report, w/e you call it. then they call you as if this is literally the first time this happened (because... it is) and try to pretend like they're geting paid. you explain that they are not getting dime one ; and that if they do not remedy like - right now, they are not getting sued because contractor comes with
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-15: [22:19:19] <thestringpuller> when our hot water heater went out, we discovered the tank was 50 gallons too small for our house which is why we were always running out of hot water. I srsly doubt any contractor does satisfactory work in any "home improvement" tasks
mircea_popescu: at which point they throw fit ; you hang up ; they finally pay someone to read contract ; come back all seethingly angry but trying to hide it and explain how inconvenient it is to them. you... amuse yourself with it as best you can.
mircea_popescu: usually they end up paying you so they get to maintain the social pretense of being contractors.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you know, no cooking process is allowed to smoke. if there's smoke coming out she is doing something wrong. generally overheating the oil.
mircea_popescu: holy shit what ?! "compost buckets" ? are you fucking kidding me ?
mircea_popescu: here we sit wondering about "garburators", which i dun have, and dun particularly want ; meanwhile he sits around with roach nests deliberately placed in the house, something the soviets cca 1966 wouldn't have allowed.
☟︎ mircea_popescu advises ben_vulpes to buy uv lamp + CTC supply and nightly hunt for eg salmonella in this set-up. like regular food plant.
mircea_popescu also never uses and doesn't like the machine dishwashers. they miss spots ; competent woman can do much better job much faster ; get her gloves, teach her how to etc.
ben_vulpes: nah, i moved out of portland to escape the countertop digester
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: pan-searing steaks can make a bit of smoke
ben_vulpes: otherwise smoke not *really* a problem, just, can get cloudy.
mircea_popescu: aanyway. you should see the piles produced in a dirigible. we occasionally (in full formation, chef + sous chef + 2-3 helpers) manage to dirty every dish in the house.
ben_vulpes: i should indeed see the * produced in dirigible
mircea_popescu: i dun think cake was ever made in less than 5kg installments for eg.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; i will propose that the large kitchen is a fundamental part in the happiness and sane social insertion of young women ; that even poor places in orcland implement it as more essential sociocultural component than, eg, men's mechanicizing garage ; that all effort should be directed at having one above all else.
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