punkman: above uses gasoline/diesel and electric pump
phf: for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent
mircea_popescu: two problems : the flame is "light" so it flies off and you can't get it ON things.
mircea_popescu: you want the flame to be HEAVY so you can put it on the enemy from under cover by shooting an arc
phf: punkman: yeah, i've realised that i was wrong after seeing little trails on the ground
cazalla: yeah that line is what caught my attention, story sounded familiar to something you have said here before
mircea_popescu: mmm, the way that ONE trail looked to me was, she's firing it at a puddle of flammable something
phf: so according to the website, "Officially approved fuels: Gasoline (unleaded), gasoline-diesel mixture, alcohol." and "tilizes a high pressure electric fuel pump, powered by a 3S lithium-polymer battery typically used in R/C aircraft"
BingoBoingo: <phf> for effective flame thrower you really want a gelling agent << polystyrene
mircea_popescu: " there was also a demand for systems that could be easily introspected, debugged, and changed by individual engineers, which was something mainframes couldn’t easily do as one mistake by one engineer could bring down a system serving dozens" <<< since we're doing the entire underappreciated point thing.
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mircea_popescu: the whole reason we EVEN THINK of software as user-serviceable is this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even.
mircea_popescu: "the amount of engineering effort that went into these machines far outweighs what you might get in a modern computer, and that’s something i don’t think the world will ever see again" << he's wrong, fwiw. the amount of competent work that went into art as the empire got fucked in the ass exceeded the amount before.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform except they're not low tech at all. heck, fuel bombs are today state of the art even. << Only because enviro-frauds keep nuclear shaming
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do the math, you'll see nuclear's not on the table.
BingoBoingo: Spz. I need a harbor? How long would that take to dig with ANFO vs. Nuclear?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for bomb of equal effectivity as fuel bomb, made out of your own choice of nuclear.
phf: BingoBoingo: we've used all kinds of stuff during childhood experiments. motor oil, tar (there was plenty of that in the country house area), bicycle tire shavings
phf: not for flamethrower though, for "molotov"
phf: i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics
☟︎ mircea_popescu: phf yup, it was so bad at some point sports suppliers refused to sell ping pong balls to boys.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it would be a devastating - if expensive - weapon, with armour being of little to no use - provided that you could find a way to avoid incinerating own barrel. << Probably ought to be dropped
BingoBoingo: What, weapon can be limited to use only from top of cliff
phf: oh man ping pong balls the versatile weapon manufacturing device, i'm surprised they are not yet banned in u.s. stores. make a small hole, fill it with stuff, attach a fuse
mircea_popescu: phf what fuse, stick a length of shoelace in there, good to go.
mircea_popescu: we had specialist "turner" (kid who was adept at turning 1/4 wire around shoelace in a corkscrew pattern making ready to go puncher for ball.)
mircea_popescu: come to think of it... no fucking wonder romania doesn't need fire alarms.
mircea_popescu: you'd have to be fucking insane to build things flammably.
phf: we actually did have fuse at some point. one of the kids had one of those "engineer" fathers, who, i remember gave us, of note, soviet spectrum knockoff, rc plane engines of various sizes. he's also the one who converted part of forest glade into a "proper" badminton field, and then, with his wife as a partner, proceeded to regularly slaughter us in regular tournament matches
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 00:17:16; phf: i think ping pong balls and badminton shuttlecocks (oh man european sport hobbies) was closest we've gotten to plastics
mircea_popescu: but you gotta live in a shitty marsh where saltpetre is found!!1
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 22:53:12; *: BingoBoingo still astounded that if one wants a new diesel vehicle thanks to the EU it will refuse to run if you don't fill up a second tank with pisstein (urea)
cazalla: BingoBoingo, sure i read even heimlich stopped promoting the heimlich at some point
pete_dushenski: isn't it incredible the hoops that plastic-badge-loving maroons will jump through ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: [...] it isn't. but it doesn't help that my translation efforts are ~starting~ with post-phd-level writings THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCENTS << he has a point there lol.
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mircea_popescu: two or three more twists of the difficulty knob, you'll be almost at the level of archeologists trying to read some stone they found.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 22:55:27; mircea_popescu: lol im sure the "blue" is purely concindental. not like trying to pretend it's not piss.
mircea_popescu: real men skinnydip in the marian trench. DURING SHARK SEASON ONLY.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: real men dance on hot coals with other real men on their shoulders. in a blizzard.
phf: pete_dushenski: hard to source that sort of stuff in the middle of nowhere, by the time we would even consider destroying a shuttle, i'd be shredded beyond any sort of reasonable aerodynamic characteristics
mircea_popescu: phf wut srsly ? i take it YOUR soviet state wasn't friends with china back then huh ?
mircea_popescu: romania was awash in chinese exports. including the "drawing sets" and whatnot.
pete_dushenski: when i was in china, the giant stadiums full of badminton players, all of whom i coulda mopped the floor with, used... plastic.
pete_dushenski: i guarantee that there were private clubs in soviet russia that had feather shuttles
phf: i've not seen a chinese export, until the first wave of chelnok came back with bag full of stuff from turkey (traded as i recently discovered for priceless pre-soviet antiques for pennies)
pete_dushenski: the backyard sorta game that most everyone knows is exactly this
mircea_popescu: it wasn't even gay, like volley or what's that other thing, minisoccer with hands ?
mircea_popescu: phf well they weren't priceless antiques yet. and i doubt many people seriously saw a putin future back then.
mircea_popescu: as far as anyone could imagine, russia was going the way of ex euro colonies in africa.
mircea_popescu: right, so volleyball and handball were the faggoty sports in that it's what the girls (and some guys) did. whereas you were supposed to play football like god intended, or MAYBE basketball. badminton was literally, healthclub fare, for old people and chicks of the third gender.
mircea_popescu: (this is what you get when the state embraces sports and you get mandatory sport in school and whatnot)
phf: mircea_popescu: huh, that's really odd, not much of that in su
phf: well, i didn't know anyone else playing badminton except our group, purely on account said father and his wife being some sort of ranked competing amateur level at some point of their lives. but i've never encountered the whole "badminton is not real sport" until i came to u.s.
mircea_popescu: honestly, most everyone was more open minded than romanians throughout forever. most hardline soviets in soviet union, would have hung nikita if possible after that thing. heck, ceausescu was trying to convince gorbacev of the errors of the past in 1987
mircea_popescu: (i am not seriously proposing there's objective hierarchy to the respectability of sports, if that's not obvious. merely recording lived history)
mats: i don't get the basis for this 'old people and chicks of the third gender' shtick.
mats: its accessible to the infirm and therefore, what...?
mircea_popescu: literally, the most common dismissal in kid circles was, "anyone could do that".
mircea_popescu: and the proper phraseology for a challenge, "hey, can you do this ?"
cazalla: handball was boys only down under, cant ever recall seeing girls play but many competitive boys matches amongst all the grades
pete_dushenski: in canada, the equivalent to the 'sport for old ppl and chicks of third gender' is curling
pete_dushenski: but really it's mostly the former, old ppl and small town folk
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 14:57:28; pete_dushenski: ' mean to the people ?
phf: pete_dushenski: those videos make me itch, lol
mircea_popescu: in today's fun exotism, curling means "ass I lick" in romanian.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so did americans, but it's not really sustainable for them ALL to get that pension they were promised. so they won't
mircea_popescu: which is why independence makes sense. demand you get it anyway.
phf: pete_dushenski: doubles look weak though, like they are playing tennis, wouldn't fly with our teachers, since you were going to get one at the net, once you started camping so far back
trinque: bocce is in my mind the essential old people's backyard drinking game
trinque: oh, a friend and I drank plenty playing bocce at his house
trinque: this is what I thought badminton was for as well; something absurd to do while drinking socially
mircea_popescu: as seen in amato's liceale. "Ve ho fregato perche non le porto!"
mircea_popescu: drinking games mostly consist of "guess what article of clothing the boys are thinking about - if you guess right you gotta show it, if not take it off!"
phf: the height of chic was to get an opponent into a dunking game, and then do a light drop right by the net. perfectly execute resulted in shuttle skirting the edge and dropping on the other side. not sure if that's properly legal though. many a games have been lost because somebody wanted to show off and ended up hitting the net on own side
cazalla: mircea_popescu, the romanian handball is 5-6 squares with no wall or the shitty 1v1 or 2v2 players hit against the wall type of hand ball?
mircea_popescu: cazalla it's that thing where you're supposed to shoot at a small goal gate from no closer than 7 meters
cazalla: no ace king queen jack dunce then i guess as we did here
mircea_popescu: actually the wall thing didn't have a [single] name but it was perfectly acceptable passtime for getting the players together for a game o' football.
cazalla: i guess handball is as ambiguous as football the world over then
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 15:28:09; pete_dushenski: "AMD's top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from the chip vendor, just months after the company unveiled a shift in strategy to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple."
pete_dushenski: and yes, hitting the net is loss of point, but other than that, sounds legal/legit
phf: pete_dushenski: i don't know any of the proper english terminology, but your video precisely illustrates my point
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pete_dushenski: phf: maybe you're refering to full court 'lobs' ? these'd be called 'clears' en anglais
phf: one side is doing the whole jump and direct hit, where's the other side counters equally strong, but then sneak lower energy response to the net. in the video chinese guy doesn't clear it though
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: inb4 amd opterons are going for $1k a pop
pete_dushenski: just checked local classifieds, whole box with 'opteron' can be had for as little as $150 still
phf: pete_dushenski: right, according the wikipedia it's a series of lobs, followed by drop shot
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pete_dushenski: phf: after watching a bit more of that u19 boys doubles vid, both sides are awfully nervous
pete_dushenski: which makes sense given that their parents are breathing down their necks 2' from the court
mircea_popescu: yeah, doubt the 1k a pop scenario is possible, amd never had good mb support.
mircea_popescu: and i gotta learn to form my ideas in subsecond rather than subminute intervals, or else i just repeat the damned log!
pete_dushenski: i wish 21 could be relied upon to publish sales data, which they aren't, or else i'd try to short the tards
mircea_popescu: it's a sort of misery that masquerades as "good enough".
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:28:37; thestringpuller: to change running process and storage in way that bitcoin client is validating invalid blocks...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the su had the exact same, exactly equally conscious goal.
mircea_popescu: all education is an exercise in rape. that it's done by the state just improves the odds of it being unpleasant,
trinque: re: qntra what of the police officer's actively seeking to collect naked teen pix
trinque: maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young.
trinque: and you know, knocked around by the legal system a bit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hanbot includes the news where he now plea guilty, also hard to pass up her particular style of condemnation of evil
trinque: I don't know that it's anything as centrally organized as Orwell's thing
trinque: they can pick on teenagers for their normal sexuality, and so they do
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 15:21:43; asciilifeform: now, for the other prong of the question, 'omg121111!!1111 ch1ld pr0n!' prosecutions in usa are always, without exception about one thing: 'know that you can go to the camps for having certain bitstrings on your hdd. and that if we want to, we can put them there, aha.'
trinque: I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population
trinque: see: abstinence camps and so on
mircea_popescu: trinque heh, i imagine there's some pretty decent policeman teen porn stashes.
trinque: oh I'm sure they trade the things just like has been said about the NSA
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but in the willingness to pluck out the exceptional and hand'em over to apprentice under masters. << kinda like outcast behaviour.
mircea_popescu: "the kid has the M disease, what do we do ? " "i dunnoi, cast him in the M pit, let them tell him how to live with it. they obviously know by now"
mircea_popescu: that it happens to work well doesn't change what it is.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> maybe the cops just enjoy their fap material young. << everybody does. prime fuckmeat = nude teen chained to the wall.
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assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:29:28; ascii_field: mine a satoshi a day so redditard can feel l337 ?
trinque: yeah, I've got no problem with it; they're the ones protesting too much
mircea_popescu: <trinque> I see that point; in this case I think it reflects the actual twisted beliefs of the population << in all cases. that's how witchhunts work, and why they exist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of "Strict liability" even being allowed is lulzy.
mircea_popescu: any matter with strict liability straight to jury nullification.
mircea_popescu: you want laws enforced, put some work into making them make sense.
trinque: in our "markets" the fetish of wealth, and in our courts and police stations the fetish of power
trinque: what, they don't have enough to do in Baltimore/Ferguson/wherever ?
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:49:58; ascii_field: '%g is the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process table and half systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:52:26; ascii_field: to recognize the standard ++dec.' << ahahahahaha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought you said these people took math. at some point.
mircea_popescu: once one gets out of the paper bag of "hiring counsel", one discovers all sorts of little knobs on the papers.
mircea_popescu: because he might just as well run the jail like his own personal whorehouse.
mircea_popescu: no schooling, no government job, no friends and no other arrangements can ever change this.
mircea_popescu: some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and da's are not really selected for manhood, not in the us, not these days.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:54:58; ascii_field: 'galaxy, star, planet, moon, comet' << glorious. they retired the naval org chart (before that, prior to mr mold selling out to usg, it was feudal titles of nobility - as in my former 'dukedom')
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:57:27; ascii_field: 'Broadly, the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is that blockchains are "trust superconductors" - they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on trust.'
mircea_popescu: becauyse yeah, totally, no "smart in his own mind" schmuck to date has managed to avoid this trap.
mircea_popescu: what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: between stolfi and lew rockwell, a whole fucking massed galaxy of these imbeciles.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but anyway, i appreciate that they're SO FUCKING PETRIFIED of bitcoin can't even talk of it other than under the SA guise.
mircea_popescu: rly, "blockchain networks", go paint your asshole with lipstick, it's about as obvious.
mircea_popescu: also, it's not exactly clear what the bitcoin per-transaction COSTS are, but it is quite obvious that a) mining is designed to be a ~0% margin activity and has been exactly that without exception through the history and b) the PRICE paid for a block which is usually 1-2k transactions is usually 25ish BTC, which is for simplicity 5k dollars.
mircea_popescu: so their math is correct, it does cost MULTIPLE DOLLARS to properly settle a transaction, via the TRUSTLESS blockchain mechanism.
mircea_popescu: and all the fuckwards derping about bitcoin and africa are more than welcome to explain who in this world exactly needs 2 dollar-fortified transactions to pay for his fucking plastic pocket protector or whatever the shit reddit buys from that one fat chick at the talent fair.
mircea_popescu: these are the sort of schmucks that can't even afford pants to keep their money in.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:29; ascii_field: i just think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 16:59:46; ascii_field: because usg has the means to feed full-time programmers, and we do not.
mircea_popescu: so, no. it does not. it has some shit, and it's so confused it doesn't even realise it.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 18:16:12; ascii_field: phun phakt: it is not a proven fact that the difficulty of the rsa problem as such is equivalent to that of factoring.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:56:31; mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is what they mean when they discuss self-love as a sin. this is it. the delusional notion that you're good and valuable as you are will fuck you up every time you run into something that puts your worthless shitpersona in perspective. because you won't be able to go on knees properly for lack of practice.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 18:40:15; ascii_field: not far from the facts though.
mircea_popescu: but it's what i had formed in my head in that week or however long the interest lasted.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that one is not the same as other is what happens to be true.
mircea_popescu: i expect if ever resolved it'll be like the fermat thing.
mircea_popescu: after all, feathers, right ? from like, animals, right ?
mircea_popescu: i didn't mean "i should like for someone to show me how math works". i just meant i dunno that there's even a promising direction of research into the matter.
mircea_popescu: so it'll prolly be resolved, if ever, by a totally unexpected and half nutty formalism
mircea_popescu: btw wiles looks a lot like brin the elder wouldn't you think ?
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:38; mircea_popescu: ALWAYS succeed, and some always fail.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:51:12; mircea_popescu: some are here to lead and some others are here to follow, it is a given like e is a given.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i suspect a lot of the mommentum for the entire "oh broken factors" comes from historical accident. it was in point of fact research into elliptic curves that yielded the fermat proof,
mircea_popescu: which is why the stupid never fail and the smart never succeed.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 18:48:18; phf: i guess that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's the founder itself..
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:55:29; mircea_popescu: what "go suck the cock of the people who made the thing that surprised you for a while, because obviously they know and obviously you don't". nonono, HE IS GOING TO HAVE IDEAS.
mircea_popescu: b. the only people who give a shit about dadaist stuff are involved in it ; c. it's not fucking funny.
mircea_popescu: ergo d. the only way for it to pay bills is through cannibalizing its own membership for the onlyt thing they're good for : butt tears.
mircea_popescu: this incidentally also goes for socialism, which yes, inasmuch as it's "the political ideology of the stupid" is indistinguishable from applied dadaism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not even my angle. my angle is this : "yes it makes sense for the company YOU PAID MONEY BEFORE to protect your investment IN THEIR SHIT. but you didn't pay me jack, did you ? I WILL BURN IT ON GENERAL PRINCIPLE AND FUCK YOU FOR HAVING PAID THE ENEMY."
mircea_popescu: which is how the largest dispute to date we had has been over... fucking compatibility.
mircea_popescu: if vc comes to me with 20mn on the premise i get to keep 1mn if i spend 10mn hiring these idiots
mircea_popescu: whosoever proposes they are actually valuable. by the flow of that conversation it seemed that includes you.
mircea_popescu: " But sitting in the parking lot it gave us the appearance of extravagance while inside the building we were living the frugal life--in a world starved for software development talent, it would have been hard to lose money paying MIT-educated programmers $50-85,000 base salaries plus an end-of-year bonus based on accomplishment and the firm's performance."
mircea_popescu: i wanna meet the guy that DIDNT loise money paying mit-educated anythings 50-85k a year to do whatever they did. which whatever may not include "being acquired" or other purely bezzlematic shenanigans.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when greenspun wrote that, he wasn't entirely wrong. yet.
mircea_popescu: now it's a fucking laughingstock, like declaring it hard to lose money by playing scratch loittery.
mircea_popescu: actually, his own description of arsdigita differs with your estimation.
mircea_popescu: the facts of the matter are that it had a positive cash flow and no investment.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was acquired by greylock and atlantic, who, according to him, fucked it all up.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:22:11; ascii_field: these are the 'buy light bulbs that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't they.
mircea_popescu: iirc they had some sort of graphical interface bs. there was demand for that in industrial circles quite legitimately
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:30:23; ascii_field: 'you can make a profit but you would not do so by making a profit'
mircea_popescu: how about the neobee "brick and mortar stores" ? could you see a reason for those to exist ?
mircea_popescu: looky here : vc wants "adoption", and "adoption" means basically trying to hot topic all over something.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:32:19; thestringpuller: I'm pretty sure ASICminer tried this with the USB miners
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have to understand, the 21 thing is merely a remake of an ancient attempt by the coinbase/foundation scammers. it was called "coinlab".
mircea_popescu: also quietly discarded. like this will be, in a few years.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:33:23; ascii_field: at the upper end of the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current, the thing will mine, at TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day.
gribble: use the 'gentime' command instead
gribble: The average time to generate a block at 120000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 59335351233.9, is 67 years, 17 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes, and 47 seconds
mircea_popescu: this is more in line with what i had in my head. intel ran numbers came out with 0.0001 not 0.001
mircea_popescu: there is some appeal to giving a kid a goose that lays a dollar egg each day.
mircea_popescu: besides, that $450 mud bike thery want is just gonna produce hospital bills.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you'll know if this is their "killer ap" by xmas advertising.
mircea_popescu: if anything survives five seasons the kid should be taken to doctor.
mircea_popescu: "say doc... why is my boy not breaking all his shit like all the other boys ?!"
pete_dushenski: this '21 math' is all too reminiscent of the very same exercise we did back in may of this year : www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/
mircea_popescu: actually, im mildly surprised at this very retarded approach. the correct way to do this would be - have intentionately crippled miner. to decripple, kid has to solve puzzles.
mircea_popescu: the ultimate puzzle of course being how to flash the damned thing.
trinque: asciilifeform: that was just the advertising to bring in that massive round
mircea_popescu: i'd pay money for that if i had kids in the 9-15 range.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:54; ascii_field: if any of you lot have the time and energy, buy one of these things & reverse it
mircea_popescu: only indie schmucks deliver things. actually listed companies, be they s.nsa or 21co don't lower themselves to that!
assbot: BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2015 :: 4.97 B (68%) on Yes, 2.34 B (32%) on No | closing in 2 months 3 weeks | weight: 25`126 (100`000 to 1) ... (
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assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:29; thestringpuller: and you get paid in BTC for letting people access it!
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:24; ascii_field: apparently they have a bastardized wot as well.
mircea_popescu: would you stop already ? have you read the vc article ? what "half of that".
mircea_popescu: "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hooli’s ad platform."
mircea_popescu: this is not a deal in which k is valuing x at y. it is a deal in which X!!! is valuing k at y.
mircea_popescu: contrary to how the book might read, it's not watson or wilson or w/e his name is that's begging.
mircea_popescu: what's leftover out of these deals to actually do thinks is very much reminiscent of what's left of a drone's salary to buy smokes.
mircea_popescu: (obviously the actual thing won'd do any sort of useful verification, but for academic arguments' sake)
BingoBoingo: I honestly think these "Bitcoin Computers" are just 21 having stumbled into the lost cache of those missing BFL mini rigs and discovering they were exactly this.
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assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:48:54; ascii_field: (what commercial chip do you know of that sells as a ~range~ of possible performance ??!!)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, their words, not mine!
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:00:48; ascii_field: 2) siphon the value and ultimately move the nash equilibrium from honest bitcoin to (1)
mircea_popescu: "Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business."
mircea_popescu: so yes asciilifeform i would say your understanding is broadly correct
mircea_popescu: the bitch is, this particular space has so far offered and in general promises to offer in the indefinite future tools to feed the little biches their own crows.
mircea_popescu: i confess however that the WHY is nebulous to me at this time, and the how come not much better.
mircea_popescu: but there's something structural at work to do with the meaning of money.
mircea_popescu: good that they paid vin cerf or whoever for a sports endorsement
mircea_popescu: too bad they couldn't afford fiddy cents to find out that "no, don't do that"
mircea_popescu: the nigger words are magic words which you shouldn't say unless you're prepared to not be invited for dinner.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:30:48; phf: i live in the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw types
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't think dadaism can be applied. the original joke seemed to be that you can pretend like you do art, have all the trappings of artists with no actual art involved, and it was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing. it's not funny anymore because the joke was a response to malevich and joice, kind of like "if there's nothing else left to do it, let's just have artists pretend like they are doing art an
phf: d get paid for it", but then repeated ad nauseam as if the original lack of art was art itself by people who have no skills or talents and later gavins, like warhol for general consumption. but it can't be applied, because there's nothing to apply there.
phf: yes, and what i got out of it is art is king says art is, which might be a misunderstanding
mircea_popescu: " was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing"
mircea_popescu: no more wealthy people, no more art as a possibility, is the proposition.
mircea_popescu: in which sense dadaism is merely behaviour. ie, of the stupid.
mircea_popescu: the behaviour of the stupid in all fields being by definition about the stupid, not contaminated by the fields.
mircea_popescu: (this neatly puts the "all art is activism" thingee in its proper terms, too.)
phf: but there were still wealthy patrons then, maybe the exchange was, well, you seem to be running out of money and we're running out of ideas, so let's all just laugh about it, and that'd be that. in my imagination anyway, pre-soviet revolution is roughly when the last patrons were living out their last days
mircea_popescu: (i have never seen a toilet in the arab world, be it poor as fuck rural or not, that didn't have a water jet for your ass.)
mircea_popescu: phf how was stalin (or ceausescu, for whom i have documentary evidence) not a patron ?
mircea_popescu: well let's not exaggerate, but, i'd say "there's no way to draw a definition of patron that excludes stalin and still makes any sort of sense".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in that same vein : there's no neo-nazi alive today or since the war invented, that would be fit to be stalin's boot sole in neonazism.
phf: there was a line of patrons that all wanted same stuff but improved, fresh ideas rooted in the old ideas, or at least they accepted that as art. stalin did a sharp break with that, so maybe pre-stalin they were last patrons of the same lineage?
punkman: mircea_popescu:
https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd think the us would catch up with the arab world in terms of civilisation already and introduce the water jets. << "if you can't afford a shitspoon, public shitspoon will be provided"
mircea_popescu: (the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in art. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc.)
punkman: mircea_popescu: no I mean they'll probably make a law that public toilets need to have a shitspoon
phf: why, no. i'm thinking of, say, malevich's kvadrat, joyce's ulysses, bely's leningrad, all essentially as being the final point to a long conversation. the conversation might be valueless, but some wealthy people were watching and periodically clapping. stalin patronises essentially clean slate, in fact aggressively disinterested in the old conversation. but i guess i do see more value in pre-stalin art then i do in stalin's (mostly because
phf: imho the poetry of soviet union was atrocious), so i see pre-stalin as last patrons
mircea_popescu: my own private suspicion is that stalin was very deeply conservative, and just didn't get lucky (for the most part) to find someone COMPETENT.
mircea_popescu: the task would have been to restate the old conversation in proper terms, for a very sweet life.
mircea_popescu: but a) russian speaker who b) was actually a master of this trade and c) actually willing and able to stand on his own did not mostly happen to exist.
mircea_popescu: note that the pope that da vinci had to daily argue with was a very stalinesque figure in his own right.
phf: i think a lot of attempts were about that, like mayakovsky with his riffs on kvadrat theme
phf: so the idea is that stalin was the patron in that same old tradition, simply by then the point was strongly made and everyone was left speechless.
phf: so stalin went "to fuck with the lot of you"
mircea_popescu: and in my eyes the one to blame in this failure is !stalin.
mircea_popescu: the only important, redeeming feature of art is that, like woman, will survive everything. in all times and places, its tits must poke out.
phf: well, stalin's art was shalamov's kolyma tales, for lack of better
mircea_popescu: and also, all the "censored" "artists" have no excuse. why the fuck did da vinci EVEN PAINT women, at all ?
mircea_popescu: imposed fucking topic by political power, apparently "women are a thing" in their twisted nonsensical view. what's he to do ?
phf: hmm, i see the point as it applies to mayakovsky. attempted to answer, had some promise, but then chocked. but i guess when it comes down to it, it's not so much that i see intrinsic value in art, it's that i'm claiming that shalamov is art. but then not being a wealthy patron, that's irrelevant. qed?
phf: heh, what an interesting resolution
mircea_popescu: one of the many atrocities perpetuated by the "derp revolution" is the creation of young men with artistic taste but without a family fortune to inherit.
mircea_popescu: very similar to "made everyone a little noble, but absent the usual incentives to reproduce - made everyone choose between thinking and having kids"
mircea_popescu: and also on it goes, "everyone may read and write - so go gitbub"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not before the "romantic period" at any rate.
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mircea_popescu: what is the "left sympathy" of the "West" other than the disilusioned of 3rd borns at their own disenfranchisement ?
mircea_popescu: runts ever so often make the world a better place, that if they all unite the internet can't possibly be long away.
mircea_popescu: (think of blair's own personal history - "england is great except for 2nd borns" "maybe you get lucky" "what if i don't ?" "let's make an empire, then". and after a century "empire work is too hard")
mircea_popescu: the eldest didn't inherit naught but the tears of the non-elders, and their butthurt.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or in other words, to paraphrase, "the sticking point here, i suspect, is that you believe for whatever reason there's "value" in things. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc."
mircea_popescu: (hey, is my inclination to reuse qualify me as a noob lisp-er ?)
mircea_popescu: gimme, you know, an independent value and i shall henceforth move the earth from orbit on its leverage.
phf: disenfranchisement is such a dirty word, we prefer wealth impaired
mircea_popescu: it happens to be proper. see, "wealth impaired" hints at the (mistaken) notion that you know, there's something out there, maybe you find it. whereas the system REQUIRES for there NOT to be such a thing.
mircea_popescu: you can never grow the pie. but if you can be made to believe you'll grow the pie, then all bets are off, and the whole house collapses into rubble.
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assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:25; mircea_popescu: the point is that manhood is not substitutable resource.
phf: well, the way i see it, pre-soviets my family had a handful of hotels and titles with corresponding land, there's not much pie growing possible, it's either i who own them, or some bloke in the ru pipeline hierarchy, and as it stands it's not me. so i'm only parodying soviet terminology with "impaired" talk
phf: asciilifeform: i didn't intentionally skip for the purposes of "чайные ложечки" rhetoric, just talking about how the things are now
phf: бабка, по материнской линии то, с самим василием петровичем, городовым, чайи попивала, а вы говорите!™®
phf: i don't think mp talks about willpower, there's some sort of munchausenian pulling yourself by own bootstraps (in the original meaning of the passage) point that keeps eluding me
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mircea_popescu: it's very simple really : have your kids grow up poor and kill most of 'em.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (i do not see any lack of continuity in soviet degeneracy as compared to pre-soviet, but then again that's just me._
mircea_popescu: “I did a U-urn and screeched wheels and they began firing handguns at us—boom, boom, boom! I thought we would die, but their fire discipline is as poor as their manners.
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mircea_popescu: "Link your 21 box to your Twitter account, and any paywall website lets you read anything you want without popups, ads, or subscriptions." << except 90% of all paywall usage in bitcoin is to read trilema. which isn't in on this plan.
mircea_popescu: o look, tech crunch still beatying the "bitcoin governance" horse.
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shinohai: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Artist chick shuddered at irc I think, wishes to contact you via email.
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shinohai: So I can't just ducttape a tennis ball to my smartphone. I need to fund a kickstarter for this junk.
shinohai: I could literally pay some doge derp $1 to 3-d print that holder, I have the same product and the derp thinks "yay my currency is a success"
cazalla: punkman, ya think as much as a single person uses that facebook pgp?
punkman: cazalla: dunno, maybe a few
punkman: naturally, because the CEO knew about salmonella in company emails
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shinohai: My sides may split permanently.
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mircea_popescu: shinohai well the beauty of social media is that you can readily ignore individual people in pursuit of rules.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, not like she's the only one there neh ?
shinohai: Duly noted. No responses from anyone else yet but I'm actually enjoying art perusal so no biggie.
mircea_popescu: check out how the internet is giving a voice to ordinary people!
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 06:04:20; mircea_popescu: it's very simple really : have your kids grow up poor and kill most of 'em.
mircea_popescu: alfie, there's a reason things work the way they work which happens to be opposite of the way you want them to.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ am i very lame if i have nfi who that is ?
funkenstein_: notrly, he makes some nice pieces from time to time though
mircea_popescu: would you not say the attempt to treat people as things has gone far enough ?
mircea_popescu: im sure if "stick a knife in his eye socket and push up" thing resulted in a coolotomy,
mircea_popescu: looky here, if i strip a chick naked, blindfold her, stick a quart of diluted wine up her asshole, spin her around for five minutes and then encourage her to "move towards the cock she prefers"
mircea_popescu: 100m cocks in attendance or not, she ain't picking any directions.
funkenstein_: "Janet Yellen was left standing naked in the hot glare of her own carbonizing credibility, a pitiful larval creature, still maundering about “the data,” and “the median growth projection,” and other previously-owned figments spun out of the great PhD wonk machine in the Eccles Building."
mircea_popescu: not like that is any sort of limit of any practical importance.
mircea_popescu: "The Geography of Nowhere, or the rise and decline in america's man-made landscape", what's wrong wioth that ?
mircea_popescu: "Mr. Kunstler was born in New York City in 1948. He moved to the Long Island suburbs in 1954 and returned to the city in 1957 where he spent most of his childhood. He graduated from the State University of New York, Brockport campus, worked as a reporter and feature writer for a number of newspapers, and finally as a staff writer forRolling Stone Magazine. In 1975, he dropped out to write books on a full-time basis. He
mircea_popescu: has no formal training in architecture or the related design fields."
mircea_popescu: he apparently also has no idea that he looks to people who actually know about the world as a retired and perhaps scandalous antrhopologist of the "physical" ilk.
mircea_popescu: what exactly architecture would have to do with this is anyone's guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for instance because one time he kicked all architects out of the room because "who the fuck asked you anything - man on the street knows more about buildings than you do"
mircea_popescu: (which happens to be true, architects know a lot about how buildings may be, and for this reason nothing about buildings that are)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: just like no sane person takes smoking advice from gps.
mircea_popescu: the three week course being in fact the whole profession
mircea_popescu: well it's such an obvious application of number analysis 101
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mircea_popescu: "oh teach why should i know this ?" "so you're not the sort of savage/monkey that is reduced to building mud huts"
mircea_popescu: (exercise to the aspiring anthropologists of the OTHER ilk in attendance ("cultural", ftr. you're welcome.) : write one page explaining the difference between "deficiente" and "disgraziato".)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i die anytime soon i will be a fabulous character of folk history won't i.
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mircea_popescu: (and yes is what i mean by savage/monkey, and no it's not an easy point to grok, and yes i did have this as a term paper in my naked girly school once and so sure, imagine myself with the whiprifle looking down on your efforts if it helps)
mircea_popescu: modern man, if airdropped in africa, would have nothing useful to teach the natives.
mircea_popescu: then people wonder why boko haram, and why all the rest. srsly ?
phf: can teach them scientology
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, "boko haram" simply means - "you suck". it's deliberately named this way, in the same sort of joke vein in which /. was named that way - to get stupid old ladies confused by the metasyntaxis problem. so stop calling it this if you donm't actually agree the west is the suck.)
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:47:32; phf: there's an organic food place here, ran by, i'm pretty convinced of that, former MOVE hangerons. black folk be talking about prana, and the power of positive thinking, that REALLY WORKS man. typical cliental involves angry black woman talking about taking her daughter to africa and how refreshing it was without all the white folk looking down on you
mircea_popescu: little thought is given to "what did the daughter go there AS ?"
mircea_popescu: "i sent my piece of fuckmeat to africa - they don't know this about her there. yet."
mircea_popescu: volunteer corps or whatever the fuck it's called made a lot more sense 20 yeasrs ago, back when kids COULD actually do architecture by hand. at least thye idea that hey, you don't HAVE TO live in mud huts could spread (it did). but today ? what exactly do they know "how the ipad must behave" ?
mircea_popescu: teach the rest of the world consumers have come to expect, aha, nice aids you got there.
mircea_popescu recalls the recently published metal from scratch photoblog thingee.
phf: "Searching and collecting the bog iron ore from the bottom of the river."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean specifically the shape of the blade. very elegant.
mircea_popescu: "Now it’s all aging badly, fraying, too costly to fix and, increasingly, not worth scraping off the land and replacing with a new cheap, shitty building. The younger generation doesn’t even want to live in that suburban dystopia. They run shrieking from it to Brooklyn, or even downtown Troy, New York, up the Hudson River Valley. Alas, this younger generation has also been broadly victimized by the college loan rack
mircea_popescu: et — reinforced by the revised bankruptcy laws that make it impossible to ever write-off this sort of debt. When will they get political about it? Their debt loads will disfigure their lives as surely as a tour of duty in Vietnam would have forty years ago. Perhaps Siri has not informed them about this."
mircea_popescu: this is perfectly valid a point. it is unclear if vietnam cripple or new-new-new-new-feminism cripple are in a worse situation.
davout: 'Siri has not informed them about this' <<< kek
mircea_popescu spent five minutes once cursing at it in romanian for lols, it was all "sorry, i don't understand".
☟︎ davout: it gets old quickly, tried to order prostitutes, did not work, useless
mircea_popescu: "siri bitch, got any homeho's to get this party started???"
davout: siri would apparently rather be home and play videogames
mircea_popescu: there's only one thing that reliably exceeds in shocking ridiculousness the actual wishes and expectations of people
mircea_popescu: and that one thing is the idea merchants have about what those wishes and expectations are.
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mircea_popescu: "Meanwhile, what remains on the other head of this two-headed economy besides driving to-and-from the Walmart? Pornography? The tattoo industry? Meth and narcotics? Prostitution? Professional sports on the flat screen? Kim and Kanye? Grand theft auto? Do you really think Donald Trump can fix this?" << prostitution.
mircea_popescu: i foresee a great industry of buying american third gendered persons by the pound,
mircea_popescu: at 500 lbs average and with a 30% survival rate the numbers show a 300% gross margin available
mircea_popescu: could probably cut a deal with the cities so that they install solid bars spaced one foot apart somewhere downtown, circumscribing a sort of pen, then the police just dumps whoever in there. if they manage to go through the bars, or whatever, if someone lifts them up fine.
mircea_popescu: "sir... would you not like... to eat salami... of a sensitive artist...like me ????"
mircea_popescu: for the first time ever, cured meats with a word from the meat itself. none of this dancing pigs and overjoyous cows publicity materials. actual fucking dedicatory letters. and poems read by the singer-songwriter and activist in question.
☟︎ punkman: eww, who'd want to eat american hamplanet
funkenstein_: i can't imagine you'd find buyers in the end but throw it up on kickstarter anyway?
mircea_popescu: "You are SO on the mark my friend. Nothing has improved unless you are a wall street banker public employee or large corporation. All of the above we can do without. There was and is nothing better than that small town america pre I phone and internet."
mircea_popescu: the only thing good about that america was that it kept to its stupid self and i never ran into it.
mircea_popescu: punkman besides, think about all the valuable prion research this would usher in. GOOD FOR SCIENCE.
funkenstein_: "That site is welcome to republish my Monday blog. Other sites do. Be my guest."
mircea_popescu: and it has one meal. "i dunno about that and i'm important so... how about that happens in terms im familiar with ?"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if it were not for 'autocad' none of the output ~would~ stand up, either. << When my youngest brother went on campus visits to engineering programs the Engineering College Dean joked that the architecture school was full of the Civil engineering program's failures
mike_c: heh. and civil is full of mech eng failures
funkenstein_: nah, variety speak is pretty open terminology compared to above failure mode
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Brother's doing mech, graduated this spring, decided to stay there a while longer
mike_c: ah, congrats to him. he's two orders of magnitude smarter than an architect :)
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ for instance. but it's deeper than that, it's a strange thing. sort-of like "this is alien and so before anything it must prove its value to me in my own terms".
mircea_popescu: somehow emitter is completely unable to notice that means IT WILL KILL YOU then.
mircea_popescu: but somehow still knows it enough to go about making laws about how BAD killing is. you know... in general.
mircea_popescu: just in that [unthinkable!!!1] case where someone might want to. why would they!!! inconceivabru!!1
mircea_popescu: the sane "this is alien therefore must investigate" is rare enough to be usable as a selection heuristic.
BingoBoingo: Eh, kunstler is old enough father time will probably get him before you do mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i wasn't even proposing i was. who cares, yet another blogger.
mircea_popescu: but, induction. that age old method to derive value from worthless ingredients.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ you will notice (im not even sure if that was attempted sarcasm or not tbf) that the imperative to learn variety speak is not so i can understand the othjer, but so that the other can begin to think.
mircea_popescu: language is still the cheapest "mind amplifier" the world knows, to borrow an alfism.
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mircea_popescu: hi guise i am running linux and i thought i'd integrate the kernel.
mircea_popescu: also, am i the only one that thinks the butch cassidy&sundance kid film utterly sucked ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno why people are so gaga over it (in the us only - nobody cares afaik outside of the pesthole)
mike_c: newman and redford are good together
mircea_popescu: "here's an oreo wrapper with two mugs on it, bring your own film."
mike_c: I don't think it's amazing as a film, but I've seen it a few times.
mircea_popescu: at the very least the question as to WHY the phenomena observable take place is left entirely to the viewer. to my mind this disqualifies it.
mike_c: I like it like the spaghetti westerns. Just good popcorn movies.
mircea_popescu: so this is basically the porn argument ? "i dunno man, i just like how those two tits match visually ? it's an aesthetic thing." ?
mircea_popescu: i always thought the spaghetti westerns were parodic, which makes them more palatable. tho i can't say i ever liked one.
mike_c: It's newman and redford - Nobody (should) be taking it too seriously.
shinohai eagerly awaits The Hateful Eight.
mircea_popescu: redford is mostly that policeman tv series to me. but newman made excellent films.
mike_c: My issue with a lot of older movies like that is the love interest plotline would have been better left on the cutting room floor
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, anyone remember barefoot in the park ? with a thoroughly indigestible barbarella, she could have been diaz in very bad things)
mircea_popescu: and speaking of very bad things, anyone seen that thing ? it's... hm. i humbly suggest it to the feminist hating crowd!
mircea_popescu: the "future of bitcoin" will be bitcoin, and it will be pointedly NOT "as anonymous and private" as a made-for-usg fake anon/privacy hangout. at the very least for as long as i'm around.
shinohai: Just make an altcoin and leave bitcoin to do what it does.
mircea_popescu: yeah, right. in other news, "Those who are interested in Trump are voting for a stop to the illegal immigration and the flooding of America with future Democrats who will have no jobs and live off food stamps, but are convinced the Democrats will keep their new way of life alive."
mircea_popescu: just like the libertard just went and made his country in africa and lived there happily ever after.
mircea_popescu: the entire fucking plan is to spend other people's money.
mircea_popescu: and for that, you gotta pretend you're part of something worth something. cant just go out in the field. they've not yet invented the saprophytical parasite.
mircea_popescu: "Likewise, barter is a very awkward way of doing business, especially when the other party to a deal is across the world. That’s why gold has acted as the medium of exchange for 5000 years or so and why gold or a gold-backed paper certificate will eventually replace all the fiat money that exists today."
shinohai: umm .... ok because the gold standard worked out so well before.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 14:35:05; *: mircea_popescu spent five minutes once cursing at it in romanian for lols, it was all "sorry, i don't understand".
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i had an ipad for a while doing game research.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 14:45:17; mircea_popescu: for the first time ever, cured meats with a word from the meat itself. none of this dancing pigs and overjoyous cows publicity materials. actual fucking dedicatory letters. and poems read by the singer-songwriter and activist in question.
ascii_field: 'them short pig ran out, we eat long pig now'
mircea_popescu: i really like my idea of the foot-apart steel pillar pen.
ascii_field: i don't actually know anyone, afaik, who could not - if with some effort - fit through that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00075703 = 15.1406 BTC [-]
ascii_field: 'Bitcoin did not respond to a request for comment about TRR.' << he died, motherfuckerz ! have el minimo respeto por los derpadores !!11
mircea_popescu: i dunno they keep derping about how they support ecc and how great it is and how blabla. protonmail.
ascii_field: what, i can't walk over and drop in a base64 turd ?
ascii_field: ' S obtains a list of online TRR nodes and their public keys then selects three to five nodes randomly to form a routing. We call the first node of the routing the ‘starting node’ and the last node the
ascii_field: ‘releasing node’. S generates a pair of public keys to encrypt the return data then inserts the public key into the routing information for each node...' << tor, snore.
ascii_field: aaaaand we get to the point where they advocate the use of ecc
ascii_field: aha, let's Run Moar Ecc! in real time! with average pc rng !
kakobrekla: !rate BitcoinConsultan 1 gonna do some work for me
kakobrekla: !v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.BitcoinConsultan.1:93a7e68ec9677527ce4b06b9cb75c0f7dbebadac211fdbb3adb559f55a8034b0
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for BitcoinConsultan with note: gonna do some work for me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00075703 = 21.1211 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know, !gettrust could say BitcoinConsultan (soandso) instead of just BitcoinConsultan.
mircea_popescu: should read : Trust relationship from mircea_popescu to 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 (mircea_popescu)
assbot: You can not rate yourself.
assbot: You have not rated mircea_popescu.
ascii_field: legend has it that kara mustafa pasha rated himself -10 after failing to seize vienna
shinohai: !rate mircea_popescu 1 Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert.
shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.mircea_popescu.1:1105ef4146cf896779115b949a7ae88ba71aec75ff8d03dd240e0c52de3ab255
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for mircea_popescu with note: Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert.
mircea_popescu: well, meanwhile we figured out change in assbot response saner solution
mircea_popescu: but in principle if it's feasible it wouldn't hurt also.
mike_c: kakobrekla: btcalpha eats the nightly db dumps
mike_c: like registered since, fingerprint, etc.
mike_c: just has trust ratings
mike_c: but i could at least put that blob on the 'not found' page
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67596 @ 0.00075703 = 51.1722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140250 @ 0.00075479 = 105.8593 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: just the proponents are stuck on the scam conference circuit forever now, no biggy.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.0007519 = 6.9551 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 19:30:09; mircea_popescu: just the proponents are stuck on the scam conference circuit forever now, no biggy.
ascii_field: 'At DEC’s founding, the US Congress decided that the US government had bought too many computers, and decreed that no more would be bought until those machines already acquired were fully loaded. So DEC sold PDPs, not computers.'
trinque: "No Mr Congressman, these are merely data processors which happen to be programmed."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo further proof (if such were needed) that no usg/vc funded item is a bitcoin company.
mircea_popescu: they may try to scam bitcoiners, for money, yes. but bitcoin companies they can not be.
ascii_field: they ~are~ 'bitcoin companies' in the 'roach motel' sense
ascii_field: 'feel free to put it ~in~, just don't expect it to come out again'
ascii_field: 'Black Flag also marketed a related insect trap, the "Flyport," designed to deal with unwanted flying insects like houseflies, with the tagline, "Lots of arrivals, but no departures!"' << l0l
mircea_popescu: for one thing, cockroach infestations only become perceptible to average human after dozens of lbs of cockroach matter are moving around.
mircea_popescu: i guess the problems in the ustard head are actually there. same sort of thinking that creates "war on drugs" creates this thing, too.
mircea_popescu: unsustainable and provably-won't-solve-the-problem but hey, it has a nice package!
ascii_field: my understanding is that the 'motel' notion was partly a misguided variation on the usual rodent trap, and partly a cynical scam (there could never be, clearly, anything like sufficient room in the trap, but it will superficially appear to 'work')
trinque: you're being sold "I did something"
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's these fluorescent + static things to murder flying bugs outside, at least those do something.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aaaactually it too is a scam!
ascii_field: i have one. it mainly blows up beetles but does nothing against the real pestilence, the mosquito.
ascii_field: spectacular snaps, crackles, pops, very little actual use.
ascii_field: the ~right thing~ would be a grid that is normally at low voltage but boosts to max if capacitance changes (bug touched)
mircea_popescu: guy fucks 15 yo daughter of his gf. child results. is convicted, but suspended sentence.
mircea_popescu: so he gets two years (plus two from the original, suspended sentence)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61150 @ 0.00075146 = 45.9518 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: no remittances, no butts!
jurov: best thing against mosquitoes are dragonflies. with bonus of watching them hunt.
☟︎ jurov: wonder why noone sells them frozen. "prepare a jug of water. throw frozen larvae in. wait a week."
BingoBoingo: <jurov> wonder why noone sells them frozen. "prepare a jug of water. throw frozen larvae in. wait a week." << Hard to get the same level of repeat customers buying more every week
jurov: then again, birds do catch them, you may want to replenish
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 20:52:35; jurov: best thing against mosquitoes are dragonflies. with bonus of watching them hunt.
gernika: I live about half a mile from the Pacific Coast. Constant cool breeze seems to have eliminated them completely.
BingoBoingo: Here we have trucks that go around farting fog that thin out, but do not eliminate mosquitoes
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: You are prolly to close to the lizards and hippies for the fog trucks
cazalla: or is it ;;? lastseen? it's early, anyone?
gribble: felipelalli was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <felipelalli> They setup 3500 nodes in few minutes, low blow.
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
cazalla: punkman, aussie banks started this about 2 years ago and it's just the continuation of them closing accounts, not something new
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> punkman, aussie banks started this about 2 years ago and it's just the continuation of them closing accounts, not something new << This, someone had a slow news day and wanted to make a fuss
PeterL: Nothing very interesting, just testing lots of Pepto-knockoff recently
PeterL: You follow college fooball?
phf: op_checksig is horrendous
PeterL: A while back mircea_popescu was amazed no US cell phones have free incoming: my cell phone is unlimited calling, therefore free incoming (MetroPCS)
phf: the whole 10 step program of "take some bits and do some stuff with" them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62050 @ 0.00075674 = 46.9557 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Been following it a Bit. I'm worried because Mizzou won its non-Conference schedule and Georgia beat SOuth Carolina. We might not take the SEC East this yeat.
PeterL: They will if they keep winning
BingoBoingo: They won't keep winning if they play like they did barely beating Arkansas State and U Conn
PeterL: My Spartans got ranked #2, and the #1 OSU is looking pretty shaky, I don't think they will last long enough for us to knock them off their pedestal
PeterL: I wish more teams played good competition in their non-confrence schedules
PeterL: I don't think a win over a FCS school should count on the record (but a loss should count as 2)
BingoBoingo: I don't think Mizzou can and survive their non-divisional conference games without sever embarassment. Our big problem is Mauk lost the only recievers who can catch his passes and our elite running back sprained his ankle against Southeast Missouri...
PeterL: makes it hard to win if you can't move the ball
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Last year was had some very grabby recievers, but still won games on the ground.
BingoBoingo: Which is kinda part of why Alabama killed us in the SEC championship. Hard to run against a fast 300-350 lb line
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 23:23:51; mircea_popescu: "To get Heaviside away from Newton Abbot, his brother Charles arranged for him to live with his sister-in-law, Mary Way, at her home in Devon. Since Mary lived alone, having the eccentric Heaviside live upstairs from her seemed like a good idea. Unfortunately, things got even more bizarre at that point. Heaviside insisted on treating Mary as a slave despite her being the owner of the house. Not
PeterL: grabby receivers as in they catch all sorts of things?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12585 @ 0.00075897 = 9.5516 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Yeah, they caught all kinds of things that had no business at all being caught.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: But at least for next year we've already signed a 3-star tight end and our next great white hope at quarterback is getting some game time this year as a true freshman
PeterL: Why are so many quarterbacks white? And are there any good white running backs?
BingoBoingo: Mauk will still have a year of eligibility next year, but he should convert nicely to backup QB and rare white running back
PeterL: Don't they have black kids in texas?
PeterL: I think my HS football team had 4 black kids, and one of them was the running back.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: They have black kids in texas, but they slot them into running back
mircea_popescu: jurov dragonflies only trhive in particular desert climate.
jurov: pediwikia says they live anywhere except (sub)arctic
ascii_field: when they lay out a quality rsa8192 in the desert using beheaded infidels, fresh and still spurting, then.
ascii_field: (what is the minimum number of corpses required ?)
mircea_popescu: jurov from what i've seen, it's a certain river + sandy dune thing they like.
PeterL: ISIS could clearsign a statement with their donation address? Have they published any public keys to compare against?
trinque: mircea_popescu: sounds quite like houston, haha
ascii_field: PeterL: and even if they had, there is nothing to associate the keys with the genuine article
PeterL: well, nobody, but I havn't been looking hard
PeterL: didn't somebody here say that isis is just a usg puppet anyway?
mircea_popescu: so if you know nobody what are you going to verify it against.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field has these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history.
ascii_field: 'muppet' is to be understood as a kind of quasi-autonomous golem.
mircea_popescu: quite. "a kind of quasi-autonomous golem." === "" these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history."
☟︎ ascii_field: a certain amount of 'u.s. army gets wiped' is always planned. at least on account of it never going 'all in'
ascii_field: last i heard, usg was not levelling syria with tactical nukes
mircea_popescu: last i heard germany is not levelling new york with tactical nukes either.
mircea_popescu: 'oh but germany couldn't, oinly us could" "how come ?" "it's part of my scenography for this bit of fan fiction"
ascii_field: germany is not sending squads of mercenaries to get own arses fed to them in new york
ascii_field: for all i know, new york isn't even there any longer. been a while since i visited.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 22:01:46; mircea_popescu: quite. "a kind of quasi-autonomous golem." === "" these classifications that sorta are adaptable to suit history."
mircea_popescu: the missing part of this "textbook" is how come there's no equivalent in say artic circle.
ascii_field: i'd be surprised if usg had never tried to roust up rebellion among the chukchas
mircea_popescu: "no, you can only make them do things they were gonna do anyway"
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally. and if i go buy a twelve year old hooker in the DC, it's also the usg that supplied her right ?
mircea_popescu: "The [Washington] Post lied to its readers by printing stories it knew were false," mmmkay.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i might be thick, but i entirely cannot see how the hooker connects.
mircea_popescu: you have no better reason to pretend "x has arms because y" than to pretend "x has 12yo hooker because y". the choice of which of these to emphasize is the liberty of the scriptwriter in works of fiction.
mircea_popescu: because that's the thing with fiction : it's nonsensical, which means you absolutely need a carefully curated set of sentences be considered
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: so where did the arms, food, etc. come from ? fell from mars ?
ascii_field: from crates dropped to aid 'syrian rebels' daily, for a year ?
mircea_popescu: your gambit is to administratively suspend isis' agency, because you're too enamoured with the usg and that requires you (also administratively) assign all agency to it.
ascii_field: stole how? crate had address 'to rebels, but not THESE rebels' ??
mircea_popescu: (hint : you can't donate to a mouse. it steals all it ever gets.)
ascii_field: i suppose next mircea_popescu will reveal that usg dropped stingers 'for mujahedeen' but not for taliban.
mircea_popescu: so it did exactrly nothing. the men i nthat relationship are non-us
ascii_field: it has pieces of itself, that come loose, like the zombies in 'quake'
mircea_popescu: "usg spent some items to addresses it didn't have the key for. isis cracked the keys."
ascii_field: has resources that get dropped in various places.
mircea_popescu: so i guess the real story here is, mujahedeen cultivated usg to provide them with apples.
ascii_field: rather like nigerian petro thieves 'cultivate' the pipe they drill little holes into.
mircea_popescu: political choices are in the end nude exercises in narrative fiction.
ascii_field: except that buried in all of these are actual questions of fact that have - somewhere - answers. such as 'does this army fully support itself on plunder, or needs external supply, and if so, from where'
mircea_popescu: that is not an answer which can be made into a question.
mircea_popescu: ("our tanks photosynthesize now!!11 SUPPORTS ITSELF!!1")
mircea_popescu: the very definition of army includes two points : a) that it does not support itself (if it did it'd be a stampede) ; b) that it makes up the difference through plunder.
mircea_popescu: the definition of inputs into the army camp is "plunder".
ascii_field: but isis is being advertised as a conquering thing in the ancient sense. with territory held, administered, taxed
mircea_popescu: as far as i can see the only salient points re isis are that a) has own agency ; b) percepibly unalligned to usg.
ascii_field: by - supposedly - itself. but this is where we go back to 'i don't have a public key for it, so what, if anything, is to be taken as 'it said' is a ???.'
mircea_popescu: anyway, the angry jealous poor club should take solace in the knowledge that i've shed more dollar value this calendar year than they will ever manage to see.
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy outcome, the stupid got left behind and then decided to give away their remaining asset and split up!
mircea_popescu: so now there's going to be three-four meaningless forums + reddits + whatever else.
mircea_popescu: fragmentation of the masses! for gleat gloly & justic!!1
BingoBoingo: Of course. And each new one is less relevant than the old one. The old ones less relavant. More people hate Thermos than ever and they aren't even talking about his GLBSE shennanigans
BingoBoingo: "The yield for those who received the $7,000 annual scholarships was 7.1 percent – a statistically significant difference" ... lol "At the same time, the study suggests that the impact of this kind of merit aid may not be large -- the yield rate was low even for those receiving it."
mircea_popescu: and the people who know they don't read because omfg, that'd be giving in.
mircea_popescu: in the us, i am deeply unsurprised it would do nothing.
mircea_popescu: "Critics have said that merit scholarships may help institutions, but don’t truly help students (most recipients of merit scholarships have many options) or broad social needs in higher education (the merit awards divert attention and funds from the needs of low-income students)."
BingoBoingo: They even work almost in USia. Just rare to find people who get them, because so many people got to the MIT-Harvard free if you aren't a Soros lottery
mircea_popescu: marxism went from an overgrown cult/self help weirdo club to this sort of implicit agreed upon mantra.
BingoBoingo: I'm not even sure if this is actually Marxism any more
mircea_popescu: "there is relatively little research on the true impact of merit scholarships. "
mircea_popescu: you know, like there's relatively little research on the true benefits of hanging us academitards above a smoldering pit of hot peppers.
mircea_popescu: i know i've not seen nearly enough of it yet to suit my tastes.
BingoBoingo: Just with actual pigs getting to 6-7 ft in length are hamplanets still really the long pig anymore?
BingoBoingo: The ones that have gone feral in arkansas have been spotted and shot at 8-9 ft long...
lobbes can't help but imagine feral hamplanets running around arkansas
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Feral hamplanets don't run around. They stay indoors, in bed, and get "home health" nurses too keep them... cleaner...
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's kinda the thing with the earlier "oh, they'll get out of the pen, fat is compressible"
BingoBoingo: It's compressible to a point, but the bigger point is most of them won't make it to the edge of the pen
BingoBoingo: And the gateposts can always be made taller
BingoBoingo: Round these parts we use gate to refer to ungated fence openings too
shinohai:
https://redd.it/3lv366 "If you truly believe that devices need to be loaded with Bitcoin, why wouldn't you just print out a QR, tape it to your Raspberry pi, and fund it with $700 in Bitcoin?"
BingoBoingo actually would like a cue cat, not so much usg Po-Po plug
shinohai hereby dubs the 21 by BingoBoingo 's name .. PoPo plug
shinohai: I was too lazy to alt to the hyphen, using my ancient droid to irc.
BingoBoingo: The Po-Po plug is a distant relative of the traditional urban American dance the 5-0 fondle
gernika: 1 month + later I make it past 367850. anyway. moving forward.
shinohai: I'm at 320740 and climbing, slow but sue.
mircea_popescu: actually 365 to 370k some of the messiest blocks in all of the chain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69800 @ 0.00075463 = 52.6732 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: waiting on realbitcoin to sync at least gave me time to make a sweet tmux config for it.
BingoBoingo: 365 to 370 has been the slowest part of my craptop sync so far
gernika: Would like to get my machine in a DC - but the cheapest hosting rate for a 1U I can find around here is $200.00/mo. Which is 4x more than I last paid for the same service.
shinohai: That's what I'm using, a cruddy old laptop. Glad it was in the library locked up really well.
shinohai: I might host a node down the road a bit, my experience trying this with Atlantic was less-than-stellar and set me back some.
shinohai: Got billed $250 for bandwidth overages
shinohai: I still have an account, just not gonna try and run bitcoind there, especially when they don't have a clue what it is.
shinohai: Accused me of "mining" from the get-go, shut me down, I bitched and got it back up only to be charged that insane fee.
shinohai: CS told me when I paid for initial service it wouldn't be a problem. I tried to explain it in the clearest way possible.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43561 @ 0.0007598 = 33.0976 BTC [+]
shinohai: I further explained the sheer idiocy of using a cloud instance to mine with, I wasn't some redditard from r/beermoney trying to collect dust.