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mats: cute
BingoBoingo: Tanzania doesn't seem so bad. Only one in 20 people are HIV positive
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assbot: Searching for The Truth in San Francisco ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbxvYp )
shinohai: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ ☟︎
assbot: Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA « IgnorantGuru's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbycAY )
mircea_popescu: <diana_coman> you mean you get a teaspoon of honey whenever he has a tantrum ? :))) << ehehehe see, this is why women are stuck with raising kids.
mircea_popescu: men just aren't cunny enough.
mircea_popescu: (alternate spelling of cunning, if you're wondering)
mircea_popescu: * trinque [...] a very angry man about why what I did was below what was expected of me << for the record, i don't think very much of this entire "expectations" verbiage/bs. if you think a little about it, so would you. a) what sort of fucking powerless vulnerable schmuck lets himself get into the position of DEPENDING on a kid ? that's what you're saying. don't say that, not only is it not true it's also very stupid. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and then b) supposing the kid is dumb enough to actually buy it, how the fuck is it going to balance anxiety throughout his life ?
mircea_popescu: suppose your wife dies in a car crash next year. which can happen, as it happens thousands of times each year. was it the kid's failurew that did it ? no ? how do you know ?
mircea_popescu: how does it know ?
mircea_popescu: maybe that's what happens for doing so much less [in school] than what was EXPECTED of him.
mircea_popescu: mom dies in car crash.
cazalla: please, let it be me lol
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck decided you even GET to have "expectations". and if you do, why can't it ? it expects the government to fix his bed wetting now!
mircea_popescu: anyway. anglos are uniquely bad at child rearing. it's like african engineering, english pedadogy and north korean cuisine.
mircea_popescu: "have a raw corn cobb, what could be better."
nubbins`: south korean cuisine, on the other hand
nubbins`: altho tbf the north eats kimchi too.
mircea_popescu: yea well.
nubbins`: i found a jar of kimchi that i made april 11 in the back of the fridge today
mircea_popescu: btw, had some spledid kimchi with my sushi at this local japanese guy's place
trinque: mircea_popescu: hm yeah, even that is euphemistically skirting the issue of "was commanded A, did B"
nubbins`: thinking of a few things to make w/ it
mircea_popescu: trinque imo it's much better to let kids play their little mmorpg of reality. just explain to them how to level, and how to distinguish paladins from necromancers and lower level from high
mircea_popescu: the rest... fuck it, you got your own life to fuck up.
nubbins`: it's divine with grilled pork belly, bean paste & leaf lettuce
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nubbins`: lel
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/defending-n-l-seal-products-gift-shop-manager-makes-it-her-mission-1.3221351
assbot: Defending N.L. seal products; gift shop manager makes it her mission - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbzEU1 )
nubbins`: "Most tourists from the United States have no idea they're not permitted to take sealskin products back into their country. When Prince explains the situation, she said they're flabbergasted."
nubbins`: "One lady, she bought a pair of the sealskin sneakers. She said, 'I'm taking my chance. I really want them and I'm going to take my chance.'"
nubbins`: modern smugglers: middle-aged women sneaking sealskin tennis shoes back home in their luggage
mircea_popescu: the real question is why the fuck would she want to go back. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it's like, soviet citizen goes to paris, ahs a decent meal, then is like... "ima sneak these steaks back into leningrad"
mircea_popescu: nigga.... why ?!
mircea_popescu: anton_osika i don't understand what you think pgp sigs have to do with phuctor ?
mircea_popescu: it's what threw me the first time.
mircea_popescu: also, dja know you made trilema ? http://trilema.com/2015/the-importance-of-backups-from-the-other-side/
assbot: The importance of backups, from the other side. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ny9YmP )
nubbins`: i came, i saw, i lel'd
nubbins`: i back'd up the backups
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273140 << in all his negotiating the impossible, I saw no mention of the obvious (although still unacceptable) alternative to GPG: sign message with the bitcoin address that spent the 3 bitcoin to mp's address ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:29; anton_osika: But I will go on in my venture to find a way to verify my identity.
mircea_popescu: mebbe he knew it wouldn't fly.
danielpbarron: perhaps it was sent from a "shared wallet" l0l
nubbins`: direct from circle
cazalla: mircea_popescu, phunctor!
mircea_popescu: or that
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nubbins`: man, the final level in this captain toad is a worthy challenge
nubbins`: 50 randomly generated boards, with increasingly difficult enemies, two hits and you're dead
cazalla: nubbins`, sounds like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in6RZzdGki8
assbot: Super Mario Brothers - Frustration - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbAZtS )
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273297 << your tone carries through on irc even. At least it gives me pause when you challenge my Eulora theories ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 23:38:34; diana_coman: gotta say though that I can (and did) get him to freeze by using a certain tone
nubbins`: almost worse
trinque: looks like a fun rom
nubbins`: i'm dying to play the new super mario maker
nubbins`: http://supermariomaker.nintendo.com/
assbot: Super Mario Maker™ for Wii U - Official Site ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbCR5O )
trinque: saw an ad for that just now, actually looks pretty fun
trinque: the new animation style Nintendo's gone with is obnoxious, though
trinque: inflatable mickey mouse
nubbins`: ehh whatcha expect
nubbins`: anyway, you can choose from i think 4 different styles with this one
thestringpuller: can't make this dumb up: "surprise surprise. This was already brought up here about 3 months ago. Unfortunately with the Coinwallet Stress Test the other Altcoin businesses will use the results as a casestudy when they pitch their own blockchain to Fidelity, Citibank ,etc etc."
nubbins`: there's one ad spot where kid is playing and dad says HEY CAN I TRY and then converts level to smb1 skin
trinque: http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/353/b/3/the_star_fox_evolution_by_shadowtoast102-d4jlp9c.jpg << they didn't mess up star fox too bad
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1iHWMyL )
nubbins`: they beat their franchises to death
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273142 << this is not why. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:34; nubbins`: but he doesn't know how
nubbins`: but... the gameplay's usually there, so they get a pass
nubbins`: you mean you wouldn't move to tanzania if you could milk a cow?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273136 << the implication, unless i am mistaken, is that i ought to go to tanzania, mongolia, wherever, to avoid being shot in the head. but what do i need not-being-shot-in-the-head for, in tanzania ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:17; nubbins`: what's alf gonna do in tanzania?
asciilifeform: i only need it if i have my workstation and roquefort.
asciilifeform: know what the english said ?
asciilifeform: 'if you fall overboard, have the decency to drown like a gentleman.'
nubbins`: implication is that while you're a smart guy, you rely on other things to make your smartness useful
asciilifeform: no.
asciilifeform: the implication is that man does not live by bread alone (tm)
nubbins`: in the narrow context of your current employment, i should qualify
asciilifeform: actually i'd prefer ~no~ employment and just a dirigible full of money.
asciilifeform: but that's beside the point.
nubbins`: money's heavier than air
nubbins`: is this an ethereum joke?
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: it's a sleep-ad-libitum joke
asciilifeform: but what i was trying to explain is that i don't get this bizarre preoccupation with survival.
trinque: how can one value anything else if not that?
asciilifeform: easily.
asciilifeform: ask the japanese
asciilifeform: or just about any traditional culture
trinque: magical thinking
nubbins`: oh ho
trinque: my capacity to value things ends at death
thestringpuller: trinque: star fox is a lot like link. doesn't really change. (i'm under the notion windwaker was a throwback)
nubbins`: no heroes in trinque's family
trinque: plenty actually, and they survived
trinque: great granddaddy got the silver star
asciilifeform: it isn't about heroes either
asciilifeform: it is about wanting to live as man, not pig, and not needing pig-life for anything.
thestringpuller: damn. now I want to play starfox
cazalla: thestringpuller, link has changed tremendously, he's a girl now
trinque: ^
nubbins`: so you find yourself in the mud and what, lie down?
thestringpuller: Link is a girl now?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: not the point
trinque mentally hops sideways to Chrono Trigger
trinque: one of my favorite RPGs
asciilifeform: the point is that i will not go to the mud voluntarily.
nubbins`: syrians didn't either
cazalla: thestringpuller, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpyRtM3IgAAwYMY.jpg pretty much
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1iHXtYR )
nubbins`: mp's argument is hey if you're refugeeing, tanzania is just as good as anywhere else
nubbins`: or at least that's the outer layer of it, i can't be fucked to peel all of his onions for him
thestringpuller: lol cazalla back to the cel shading
thestringpuller: cazalla: we never did get ot battle pokemons
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Izm1LQfw4
assbot: Pikachu on Acid - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1iHXBYx )
cazalla: thestringpuller, have not played recently so won't be any time soon
nubbins`: ^ this is maybe the second-most accurate depiction of LSD i've seen in video format
thestringpuller cries
nubbins`: #1 goes to mad men
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpWlKCfSPcU
assbot: Mad Men: LSD Scene [HD] 720p - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbE3Gs )
nubbins`: combine those two videos somehow and you're close to the real thing
trinque: nubbins`: ah the way the colors shift, got that on the last trip
thestringpuller: "Well Dr. Leary I find your product boring." << megalulz
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: it gets better.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273175 << this is not hard. mine fields, flame thrower tanks, etc. some countries selectively refuse to enforce them, yes. but not because the tech does not exist. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:47:27; mircea_popescu: trinque well, i see merit in it. the presumption you can enforce borders comes from what ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273266 << this concept is absolutely key. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 23:06:04; mircea_popescu: "american" is not a thing, to begin with. he just lives there.
asciilifeform: 'nobody dies for his hotel room' (tm)
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> mp's argument is hey if you're refugeeing, tanzania is just as good as anywhere else << no. my argument is that if you're refugeeing, where you go to refugee discriminates you. if you go to the eu, you're a scumbag. if you go to tanzania, you're somebody.
mircea_popescu: because YOU know if you are or you aren't worth shit, and YOU act accordingly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the euro jews who refused, collectively, to go to south america ?
mircea_popescu: and they got shot for it, as they should have been ?
asciilifeform: same basic dynamic, aha
mircea_popescu: i would hope they did.
mircea_popescu: because seriously, nobody needs them nobody wants them and they shouldn't even be here in the first place.
asciilifeform: !s ms st louis
assbot: 0 results for 'ms st louis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ms+st+louis
asciilifeform: ;;google ms st louis
gribble: MS St. Louis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis>; Voyage of the St. Louis - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: <http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267>; The Tragedy of S.S. St. Louis | Jewish Virtual Library: <https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/stlouis.html>
thestringpuller: for some reason this reminds me of kowloon walled city
cazalla: https://i.imgur.com/yfCqpvw.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbELDF )
trinque: the last one got more shares
trinque: success
asciilifeform: wat
nubbins`: total shoop
trinque: doesn't matter still lolled
nubbins`: well, we can't take that away from you
danielpbarron: trinque mentally hops sideways to Chrono Trigger << I got the official snes cartridge. I understand it's one of the more popular games from that era, but personal fav was "Secret of Mana"
nubbins`: never owned a snes
danielpbarron: mine still works. I sometimes use it to play competative smb3 via All-Stars
trinque: danielpbarron: also good; both were Square games iirc
nubbins`: i went nes-genesis-psx-xbox-wii-wiiu
nubbins`: with various handhelds scattered throughout
trinque spend some time last night writing notes on a WoT+deedbot web of CLOS displayed by CLIM
trinque: maybe 75% because I want in-WoT warez
trinque: be they ROMs or books
trinque: *spent
cazalla: danielpbarron, what's competitive smb3? this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkK4wWZ2hYo
assbot: The Wizard - I love the Power Glove... it's so bad (Full Scene) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1iHZoww )
trinque: I think the point about data vs code is key, that I might be willing to encounter someone else's data without a WoT relationship, but I'll be damned if I want to run their code
nubbins`: heh
thestringpuller: trinque: i'd listen to their music tho
trinque: I'd rather have the index of the right man's bookshelf than access to every landfill on earth for free ☟︎
nubbins`: you'd listen to their mixtape?
thestringpuller: studio album
thestringpuller: mix tapes are for the A&R people
thestringpuller: unless you're drake
thestringpuller: the one good thing from canada
nubbins`: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Drop+it+like+it+s+hot+arrogant_4efbdc_5457940.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbFJzz )
trinque: looool
mircea_popescu: <trinque> maybe 75% because I want in-WoT warez << win.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, in-wot you can;'t even define "warez".
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: You ever play Secret of Evermore? That cartridge is worth quite a bit these days iirc.
mircea_popescu: much like "IP" had little meaning in the minstrel era.
danielpbarron: cazalla> danielpbarron, what's competitive smb3? << the game can be played "2 player" and each player has a separate score. You get the most points from time left over on the counter, so it's not usually a good idea to go back for coins.
trinque: mircea_popescu: very true
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273291 << these have been turning up since at least 2008 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 23:25:55; mircea_popescu: http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/09/fake%20gold%203.jpg << ahaha for reals ?!
asciilifeform: i thought it was well-known.
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: That cartridge being Chrono Trigger.
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, yes I am familiar with that one (my cousins had it) but unfortunately I never got it
asciilifeform: notably, the tungsten-cored bars are ~trivial~ to detect, and their very existence is predicated on ~nobody wanting to detect~. this was discussed here iirc.
danielpbarron: yes it was worth about 100 USD last i checked (10 years ago)
thestringpuller: I didn't get to play Chrono Trigger till the PSX era when they rereleased it. It's a great game. Just so many different endings.
mircea_popescu: 10 oz bar is not really storage grade toh.
mircea_popescu: seems more like consumer fraud
nubbins`: the real lulz are when the good delivery bars are drilled out
nubbins`: meantime, why so much leeway in weight for GD?
nubbins`: between 350 and 430 tr.oz, srsly?
mircea_popescu: tbh, the gold delivery process is not large enough. the only way to do it currently is to send delegates to observe assays. takes 7-10 days.
nubbins`: i'll take 430s, please
mircea_popescu: gavin should write a GIP to improve gold transfer blockspace.
mircea_popescu: if all the gold in the world changed hands right now it would take ~12 years to clear it all.
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i think the cart alone goes for 120-140ish now. Full gets up (box et. al) is probably double that maybe 300-400 range.
asciilifeform: iirc we did this here... can build machine that gives GUARANTEED tungsten-or-not, for 100 usd.
asciilifeform: but no one will every buy it.
cazalla: danielpbarron, i hate 2 player mode - always used to ensure console time is evenly shared amongst brothers :\
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're discussing the things that are, not the things that could be.
nubbins`: too scary to actually look in the crystal ball
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, i also have the manual, but not the box (i bought the manual separately from the cart
mircea_popescu: the gold blockchain, as is, has ~10kbps bw.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: things-that-are involve either melt-and-assay or that $50k ultrasound box
nubbins`: but those sidechain tx's!
mircea_popescu: melt and assay.
mircea_popescu: (random pick, but stll)
asciilifeform: (iirc the ultrasound thing is used for spot-checks)
danielpbarron: cazalla, it's only evenly shared if you are evenly matched in battle mode (the thing that happens if you catch the player lingering on your square)
nubbins`: danielpbarron +1
mircea_popescu: there's also a heat diffusion pattern method
danielpbarron: people get so pissy when I catch them into a battle and take their turn
mircea_popescu: (very similar to the nazi watering to look for buried stuff thing)
nubbins`: you can play the whole 2p game yourself if you're good in battle mode
danielpbarron: eh not really
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. this is btw the only reliable test for diamond.
trinque: asciilifeform: is there something respectable to look at in the CL world in regards to RPC?
danielpbarron: if you're reaaaly good, you plan your levels out so as to not get stuck in battles at all
asciilifeform: commercially available, and, unlike the gold thing, costs pennies
asciilifeform: trinque: rpc ?
nubbins`: what ever became of all that perfect synthetic diamond hype?
mircea_popescu: yeah cause diamond isnt as conductive
trinque: asciilifeform: that guy has a function I wanna get the result of via a socket
asciilifeform: nubbins`: sop. can go, buy now
nubbins`: fun
asciilifeform: trinque: why the fuck do you need a library for this
nubbins`: they're still forever tho, right?
trinque: wondering if there was some elegant way of doing this in the civilized era
trinque: who said library...
mircea_popescu: forever -1 nubbins`
nubbins`: heh
asciilifeform: trinque: it's an extra line of code, write it yourself
trinque: fine answer; I've developed the habit of at least trying to look for prior art before reinventing something
asciilifeform: trinque: the very fact of having asked the question is indicative of needing detox from years of using shitlangs
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273326 << a year ago, and 100% factual, but go and try speaking of this to non-#b-a folks, aha. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 00:30:34; shinohai: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/
asciilifeform: 'From the start, my revelations on this blog about Red Hat’s deep control of Linux, along with their large corporate/government connections, hasn’t been just about spying, but about losing the distributed engineering quality of Linux, with Red Hat centralizing control. Yet as an ex-cypherpunk and crypto software developer, as soon as I started using Linux years ago, I noted that all the major distributions used watered-dow
asciilifeform: n encryption (to use stronger encryption in many areas, such as AES-loop, you needed to compile your own kernel and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption)....'
trinque: asciilifeform: seems to me the right way is simply to barf sexps that look like function calls over the wire
asciilifeform: trinque: you can make them look like whatever, and it'll still be one line.
asciilifeform: this preoccupation with format is a disease of the non-cl world, aha
asciilifeform: where it takes actual fucking work to transform one to another
nubbins`: "Assays of GD bars are determined by the refiner at the point of manufacture. An assay is likely only to be checked again when a bar is used as raw material in a refinery, for example, for the manufacture of small bars or in a plant manufacturing products like jewellery."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85300 @ 0.00075275 = 64.2096 BTC [+] {6}
asciilifeform: nubbins`: phun phakt: tungsten bars have 100% genuine assay marks.
nubbins`: 8)
trinque: asciilifeform: better question might be whether there are existing hypertext system implementations from that era
trinque: had a thread with gabriel_laddel recently on whether hypertext was even valuable; I hold that it is
deedbot-: [Trilema] What is a fractal ? - http://trilema.com/2015/what-is-a-fractal/
trinque: node over there has data; I want to view it with presentations over here
asciilifeform: trinque: there is the symbolics one
trinque: this was HTML or something else?
asciilifeform: trinque: entirely else.
trinque: obviously I'm searching for the latter
trinque: "document examiner" << ??
asciilifeform: aha
trinque: ty
asciilifeform: 'concordia' also.
asciilifeform: ('examiner' was a viewer-only thing)
asciilifeform: concordia even typeset books (including the manuals, which i have here on my shelf)
asciilifeform: trinque: https://vimeo.com/83886950
assbot: Symbolics Document Examiner and Concordia on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbH2yI )
nubbins`: i did some typesetting with LaTeX in uni, the math dept required it
asciilifeform: i used and still use latex.
asciilifeform: for all sorts of things.
nubbins`: great for equations
asciilifeform: except not so great for anything which ~didn't start life intended for latexing~
nubbins`: heh
asciilifeform: this is the difference between the typesetter component in 'concordia' and latex
trinque: seems entirely clear to me that a better web would be nothing more than something like a CLIM listener here, and a network of data sources out there
asciilifeform: can take ~whatever~ on the machine and have it sanely typeset.
asciilifeform: trinque: precisely how a better horse is this box with four legs, reins, motor, aha ?
trinque: and maybe the data source proposes to me that my system fetch some new presentations it needs, but that the act of browing around does not *at all* involve running someone else's code
trinque: asciilifeform: we all use the web all day; I'd have to be persuaded that it's useless
asciilifeform: the preoccupation with 'i will read your data but not run your code' is voodoo.
nubbins`: keep going and you'll reinvent MIME types
asciilifeform: the physical difference is imaginary
asciilifeform: !s what colour are your bits
assbot: 6 results for 'what colour are your bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=what+colour+are+your+bits
trinque: nubbins`: mime types are a shitty implementation of something that came before it
nubbins`: s/mime types/everything
trinque: too real
nubbins`: sry
nubbins`: you think that's too real, don't ask me about cellular automata
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trinque: asciilifeform: if there could be hard constraints on what someone else's code could do on my computer, I'd be far more willing
asciilifeform: trinque: it isn't really a computer until this is so.
trinque: as it stands I'd like to go back to an addressing system for flat text with the option of involving more code as I see fit
trinque: asciilifeform: there we have no disagreement
gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271600 asciilifeform is there a book you can recommend that approximates this, or at least traces a few important branches? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 20:29:47; mircea_popescu: but V is the best simulation of how actual math learning happens (in those brains actually capable to learn math) that we ever had as a fucking species.
trinque: exactly what I meant about the right man's library index
trinque departs for a bit
asciilifeform: gernika: i cannot answer this because it is not clear to me what is being asked for.
nubbins`: came across my uni transcripts recently: yipes.
nubbins`: i have no business holding a degree
nubbins`: but... the only way they can take it away from me is by rendering it useless throu... waitaminute
nubbins` wanders off to think
gernika: asciilifeform a book that connects pythagoras to newton, with proofs for all the nodes in between?
asciilifeform: gernika: sure. this is a book, except that it is made of 1,001 others and they take up three bookcases.
asciilifeform: i sorta have one here.
gernika: I feared as much.
asciilifeform: but it wouldn't do you any good. there is not a standardized one that works on everybody.
asciilifeform: if you want a pocket-sized 'tour guide', try 'Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning' (A. D. Aleksandrov, A. N. Kolmogorov, et al)
gernika: ok. thanks.
asciilifeform: readily and cheaply available in english
asciilifeform: paperback.
asciilifeform: problem is, most folks asking for this kind of thing, have vastly overoptimistic idea of what can be expected from a single book and a reasonable amount of study. ☟︎
trinque: ;;google ext:pdf Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning
gribble: Mathematics: its content, methods, and meaning - New Mexico ...: <http://www.ees.nmt.edu/outside/courses/hyd510/PDFs/SupplementaryReadings/Mathematics_its%20content,%20methods,%20and%20meaning.pdf>; algorithms in modern mathematics and computer science: <http://i.stanford.edu/pub/cstr/reports/cs/tr/80/786/CS-TR-80-786.pdf>; Mathematics Reference Books: (1 more message)
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gernika aims lower. would be satisfied to be able to reconstruct algebra on death bed. ☟︎
gernika: khan academy's knowledge map approximates what I seek but is tragically composed of video nodes, rather than book titles and page numbers: http://www.semko.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/khan-map-half-complete.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqRQd6 )
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ben_vulpes is enjoying the anton_osika thread
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272924 << i have always wondered! why do mircea_popescu's contracts /always have names/ in addition to the fingerprints? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:05:59; nubbins`: your name is irrelevant
mircea_popescu: and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers << incidentally, this is why a b-a linux is such a low hanging fruit.
mircea_popescu: but for some reason either the histeresis is great or outright resistance to the notion is great.
ben_vulpes: what hysteresis
mircea_popescu: in between me pointing out gentoo does not actually work and alf getting off his "works for me" horse.
mircea_popescu: there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: heh--pull a foundation and start with an ancient kernel? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: maybe. but ancient crypto is useless.
mircea_popescu: modern crypto useless for the reason stated
ben_vulpes: well, "ancient".
mircea_popescu: there's going to have to be a bisection and it's hard work, of the "do not bother me for three days" sort. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: 1990s.
ben_vulpes: if it boots emacs, i'm in. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: "the programmer's portable os"
mircea_popescu: <gernika> I feared as much. << the objection is valid, and in no way different from "you can have a working os, i sort-of have one here, it's made out of 400 pieces and i could maybe remake it if i had a week off."
mircea_popescu: quite a ways to go to what we actually want to have.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273642 << this is true. i would estimate a ~passible~ clump of v-math to be in between 20 and 50mn nodes, each of which requiring the reasonable student an hour to an evenings' study. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 02:34:49; asciilifeform: problem is, most folks asking for this kind of thing, have vastly overoptimistic idea of what can be expected from a single book and a reasonable amount of study.
mircea_popescu: wich strictly means that a) mathematics is not open to human beings and b) even ultraspecialised approaches are pushing the proposition.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 16 * 365 * 50
gribble: 292000
mircea_popescu: maybe 1% or so is the best you can hope for, as a human.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that until and unless someone takes a serious byte out of making the damned thing, it's kind of hard to guess if and how the graph is actually summarizable, or w/e the term is.
mircea_popescu: but 3k years' worth of bumbling efforts at "teaching" math by ear certainly never got very far with it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273646 << algebra is easily the hardest part. not even just because the notion of number is easily the most complex abstraction we've invented to date. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 02:41:49; *: gernika aims lower. would be satisfied to be able to reconstruct algebra on death bed.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: << i have always wondered! why do mircea_popescu's contracts /always have names/ in addition to the fingerprints? << array of conveniences. your govt id includes your name aside from your number too.
thestringpuller: !gettrust kruzt
assbot: kruzt is not registered in WoT.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski !לשׁנה טובה ☟︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273206 << actually, ask danielpbarron ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:51:17; mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ask her!
thestringpuller: ^^^ danielpbarron ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all. << What, rotor stopped making enough Linux?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: "the whole point of the last month of pregnancy is to make the idea of childbearing very appealing"
mircea_popescu: yeah!
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: childbearing seems unappealing to me
ben_vulpes: the things women generally enthuse about doing to cocks doesn't appeal to me either.
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thestringpuller: like hitting dudes in the balls? that isn't very fun either.
ben_vulpes: no man, like sucking cocks and bearing children.
thestringpuller: how are those two things related?!?
ben_vulpes: things women do that i don't!
thestringpuller: being on the male side of child bearing is the unappealing part i was referring to! lol
thestringpuller: i would need 9 months of xanex for that
thestringpuller: i actually don't think all the xanex in the world would help
mircea_popescu: what about xanax ?
ben_vulpes: it's great - a whole new world of indignities and hilarities to enjoy the spectacle of
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cazalla: fluffypony, do you know "Francois Harris the founder of Bitcoinzar"
cazalla: either way - http://memeburn.com/2015/09/education-is-the-big-hurdle-blocking-bitcoin-growth-in-africa/
assbot: Education is the big hurdle blocking Bitcoin growth in Africa - Memeburn ... ( http://bit.ly/1O9Y2Yz )
cazalla: and here i thought it was money, or lack of it
fluffypony: cazalla: he follows me on Twitter and we've pm'd a bit, don't know him outside of that
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punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/upshot/gaps-in-alumni-earnings-stand-out-in-release-of-college-data.html
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1O9YKF1 )
punkman: "The Department of Education calculated the percentage of students at each college who earned more than $25,000 per year, which is about what high school graduates earn. At hundreds of colleges, less than half of students met this threshold 10 years after enrolling"
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thestringpuller: punkman: College loans maybe the greatest scam yet.
thestringpuller: Go to school work for school for cheap. Pay back loans for years to come.
thestringpuller: all whilst still poor
punkman: and still uneducated
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mircea_popescu: holy shit punkman
mircea_popescu: are those "hundreds of colleges" pretty much community "colleges" etc ?
mircea_popescu: and "college graduates" earning 2k per month is bs, incidentally. that's what the living wage is.
mircea_popescu: highschool grad in unionized job (police, plumbing, roadwork, you name it) does iirc 30-40k in his 30s.
punkman: it did mention barber/cosmetology "colleges" were included
mircea_popescu: seems there's ~7k colleges in the us. "hundreds" is meaningless in this context.
mircea_popescu: https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84
assbot: Fast Facts ... ( http://bit.ly/1M5TSO6 )
mircea_popescu: (note the .asp for a lol.)
punkman: mircea_popescu: Title IV are just the ones the gov will loan you money to attend
mircea_popescu: right
BingoBoingo: ASP, Adobe cold fusion, nothing more toxic than an American college website
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assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00467408 = 3.5056 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller since you were asking, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHVCZagJtj8&t=16m14s
assbot: Julia Tourianski: State Control Perpetually Increasing Until Collapse - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lt7gZT )
mircea_popescu: apparently she's reading the logs.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14274 @ 0.00076832 = 10.967 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: And reddit runs out of node budget https://archive.is/AAWwW
assbot: Anyone running a full node for their apps/websites? Where do you store it? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1iplUuj )
shinohai: LOL
shinohai: I have a paltry node budget, I run it anyway.
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punkman: http://mashable.com/2015/09/12/us-open-final-ticket-price-drop/
assbot: Nobody wants to go to the US Open anymore now that Serena is out ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNkx53 )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241150 @ 0.00077003 = 185.6927 BTC [+] {8}
punkman: herp http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/business/dealbook/pitfalls-for-the-unwary-borrower-out-on-the-frontiers-of-banking.html
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHJibg )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63800 @ 0.00073927 = 47.1654 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273688 << https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld/status/643289336524345344 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 05:06:53; thestringpuller: ^^^ danielpbarron
shinohai: Well can't say danielpbarron hasn't done his part for the cult.
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cazalla: well, Australia just got their 5th prime minister in 5 years - not that i expect anyone actually gives a fuck http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-defeats-tony-abbott-in-liberal-leadership-spill-to-become-prime-minister-20150914-gjmhiu.html
assbot: Malcolm Turnbull defeats Tony Abbott in Liberal leadership spill to become prime minister ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6nD1g )
cazalla: this time it's gonna be different! this guy we can count on to lead the country unlike 28 people before him
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's fortunate that moore's law hosts nodes for free in moore's legal datacenter
mircea_popescu: otherwise i dunno what they'd do.
mircea_popescu: lead it to where ?
davout: ohai asseteristas
mircea_popescu: hola.
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funkenstein_: !up HeySteve
HeySteve: hey, thanks funkenstein_
HeySteve: having connection difficulties lately so I haven't been doing the manual sign in
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funkenstein_: the case of anton_osika reminds me of the post-resleeving identification ceremony from the takeshi kovacs novels.
funkenstein_: a signed statement from "enough" people in counterparty's WOT that the spirit of key A now resides in key B would be the only way
funkenstein_: but we all learn from these things so I say thanks to all involved
funkenstein_: "luke, I am your father". "No it's not true, sign a statement with his key bitch"
mod6: heheh
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shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/KCcGbJ5.png <<< Insight on refugee crisis
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KO1rvM )
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mircea_popescu: !up Martin777
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11824 @ 0.00077224 = 9.131 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: shinohai in other news, the isis throughput seems to be about 3%.
mircea_popescu: (isis has more "boots on the ground" in the immigrant wave than the us has in the entire middle east.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00077225 = 56.0654 BTC [+]
shinohai: Doesn't surprise me a all.
shinohai: Also, if the anton_osika guy reads these logs, please note there is no such word in the English language as "unprobabilistically "
shinohai: !up anton_osika
anton_osika: Thanks.
shinohai: nw
anton_osika: I do read. I also have a talent for getting into tip-of-the-tounge moments, in such cases I make up words...
kakobrekla: we dont have a problem with words here but with concepts.
anton_osika: I tried to refer to the concept of 5 sigma, etc.
shinohai: When you PM'd me and said you had your "PGP keys unprobabilistically stolen" I was left scratching my head.
shinohai: New tyoe of theft to me.
anton_osika: Well the "unprobabilistic" part was my strong belief that my keys were fail-safe recoverable.
anton_osika: Hope it clarifies.
shinohai: If you put money in your wallet and someone takes it out, do you think that is also fail-safe recoverable?
shinohai: Or say, the keys to your apartment?
trinque: anton_osika: that is not what that word means
shinohai: http://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2015/09/14/banks-decryption-keys-symphony.html?ana=twt
assbot: Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse, and Bank of New York Mellon agree to hand over decrption keys to Symphony - New York Business Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaGEPm )
trinque: you are looking for "improbably"
shinohai: Bet this will be interesting.
mircea_popescu: he was trying to say "improbably" o noes!
mircea_popescu: anyway, bbl!
shinohai: o/ cheers
trinque: was just halpin
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trinque: !up anton_osika
anton_osika: Funkenstein_ wrote a nice line above.
anton_osika: Regarding WoT.
thestringpuller: So the people in #bitcoin-xt have some terrible links in their WoT
thestringpuller: i'm tempted to run a graph on the nicks in #bitcoin-XT and see which ones of them are connected to known scammers
trinque: ^ sounds like an awesome idea.
anton_osika: If, hypothetically, people agree that I would have enough proof of being the long party, in this contract: http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M )
anton_osika: Would people here give their WoT that this long party should receive the delivery?
trinque: anton_osika: I think those here are tired of the pleading; I didn't voice you for that. And no, we do not vote on mircea_popescu's actions.
anton_osika: And the verification of the identity I am thinking of is not so hypothetical.
trinque: and the contact is solely with him; not with the WoT
anton_osika: trinque: I am sorry if that is what is seems.
trinque: *contract
thestringpuller: this sounds like when Usagi lost his/her backups
anton_osika: Well the only thing he wants to defend is his WoT - so the opinions of other is relevant in these kind of contracts.
trinque: !down anton_osika
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thestringpuller: can someone fill me in on what's going on?
trinque: thestringpuller: in teh logz from yesterday
thestringpuller: dude wrote GPG contract, contract was partially executed, dude lost his key to prove delivery?
trinque: yar
shinohai: He made a deal will the devil betting on Ethereum anyway.
thestringpuller: why not just build delivery into the contract as a fail-safe... ☟︎
thestringpuller: usagi 2.0: http://www.contravex.com/2014/05/31/usagi-back-back-back-it-up-ayee/
shinohai: fluffypony: "Seriously, wtf. even a retard can put the wallet.dat on DropBox and be 99% safer than this." <<< LOLZ ☟︎
fluffypony: good times
thestringpuller: WoT seems to work as advertised. Usagi completely vanished after Pete's assassination of him.
shinohai: I wish I had known about this place during the TradeFortress brouhaha. I called that one 6 months prior. ☟︎
thestringpuller: That wasn't nearly as bad as pirate collapse.
thestringpuller: !ticker h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00841001 / 0.00912056 / 0.00999999 (290 shares, 2.64496239 BTC), 30D: 0.00781001 / 0.00955043 / 0.01150000 (636 shares, 6.07407109 BTC)
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shinohai: !up ascii_field
thestringpuller: how goes the uranium mines mr. ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00077576 = 23.7383 BTC [+]
ascii_field: thestringpuller: working on the five-year plan
ascii_field: '"To address cyber-security concerns, we ensure that all your conversations are transmitted in encrypted form," he wrote. "The key is that we do this without compromising ease of use and content discovery." As we now know, at least part of that "content discovery" now includes investitgators' searching for evidence of malfeasance.'
ascii_field: glorious.
ascii_field: why would anyone use 'symphony' chat thing after this... ?
ascii_field: (or, for that matter, ~before~) ☟︎
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273660 << this is monumentally harder than mircea_popescu seems to think it is. primarily on account of graphics. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 04:52:47; mircea_popescu: there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273661 << i personally won't work on anything which i can't use. and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate, AND simultaneously process blocks, etc. then I WON'T USE IT ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 04:53:09; ben_vulpes: heh--pull a foundation and start with an ancient kernel?
kakobrekla: headless + line printer output
kakobrekla: like in the olden days
thestringpuller: dark ages
ascii_field: kakobrekla, thestringpuller: go buy pdp-11 on ebay, use.
ascii_field: it is waiting.
kakobrekla: nothing in working conditions it seems.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: plenty of microvaxen
thestringpuller: ascii_field: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Collectible-Vintage-Computer-Digital-Micro-PDP11-73-PDP-11-73-/381399780028?hash=item58cd32cabc << this thing?
kakobrekla: it comes down to the question if the 'bitcoin distro' is suppose to handle blockchain (and thus be connected via dangerwire)
ascii_field: kakobrekla: mircea_popescu's implication was that it ought to be a sane continuation of what gentoo once was (a linux for literate folks to use)
ascii_field: rather than a special-purpose item like rotor
ascii_field: something that, were it to exist, would let #b-a folks set the bozo bit on the rest of the so-called linux komyooniti ☟︎
thestringpuller: sounds like something those anti-systemd forkers of debian would get behind
thestringpuller: devuan i think it was called
ascii_field: debian was never it. ☟︎
thestringpuller: yea that's prob why all the cool kids were using Arch Linux in school
ascii_field: thing is, the kernel per se has cancer and leprosy
thestringpuller: so do most things, how do you rip out the tumor without killing the patient?
ascii_field: i say - you can't.
ascii_field: not unless you can produce hardware.
thestringpuller: wish i could find that thread you spoke on about how modern jet production is inaccessible to non USG-tied entities.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: not just production. OPERATION.
ascii_field: as in, if you got one as a birthday gift, it would be good for perhaps one or two sorties, if that.
ascii_field: and it wasn't usg in particular, but industrial slave empires in general
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thestringpuller: interesting side note: it makes it easy to erase technology from the face of the earth if constructed this way...i.e. sr-71
ascii_field: aha. it is gone.
thestringpuller: or saturn-v
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273665 << three years. optimistically. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 04:54:13; mircea_popescu: there's going to have to be a bisection and it's hard work, of the "do not bother me for three days" sort.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273667 << if it addresses 128GB of ECC RAM, and drives my wall of 'eizo's, then i'm in. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 04:54:44; ben_vulpes: if it boots emacs, i'm in.
ascii_field: assuming my hardware RAID cards continue to work ☟︎
ascii_field: etc.
ascii_field: because else WHY THE FUCK DO I NEED IT
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273671 << the closest thing presently existing is 'mathematica'. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 04:57:23; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273642 << this is true. i would estimate a ~passible~ clump of v-math to be in between 20 and 50mn nodes, each of which requiring the reasonable student an hour to an evenings' study.
ascii_field: this, incidentally, is ~the~ bar for formalization. IFF you can do it on a computer, then ~possibly~ you really have a formal handle on the mechanics. but NOT before then. ☟︎
ascii_field: HENCE my almost life-long interest in 'computer algebra' machinery.
shinohai would love a bitcoin linux
ascii_field: shinohai: what do you actually expect from such a thing ?
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trinque: ascii_field | kakobrekla: mircea_popescu's implication was that it ought to be a sane continuation of what gentoo once was (a linux for literate folks to use) << danielpbarron was able to produce something with my script
trinque: !up ascii_field
trinque: you can still build a sane gentoo these days
ascii_field: trinque: one can build a working gentoo, yes. on certain hardware, and if the gods smile on you
shinohai: ascii_field: A distribution specifically for use with realbitcoin with no unnecessary fluff
ascii_field: ~i~ can. trinque apparently can. mircea_popescu iirc was not able to. and hanbot also did not. ☟︎
ascii_field: shinohai: this is not what mircea_popescu was asking for
trinque: that script I wrote approaches a gentoo installer
trinque: the funny business is all in simple things like partitioning and installing the bootloader, pieces I bet could be lifted from debian's installer
ascii_field: trinque: thing is, if it doesn't do x11 on ARBITRARY DISPLAY then it WON'T be my workstation. but if it DOES do x11, then it is not shitgnomery-proof
ascii_field: same for recent kernel
trinque: ascii_field: yeah, that is the rub; you have to have all modules built and an initrd that tries to load them all
trinque: "genkernel"
trinque: gives you what the livecd has
ascii_field: trinque: my understanding is that mircea_popescu would like a linux that is analogous to what we did with therealbitcoin. where the tree is frozen, all arguably-superfluous things are jettisoned, and any further changes must come from wot folk. ☟︎
trinque: right, that's a hell of an exercise ball
kakobrekla: imma guess we are phucked without standard hw. also phucked with (for other obvious reasons) ☟︎
ascii_field: notice that NOTHING stops anybody from going to the scrapyard, digging up a pentium-ii, and booting up, e.g., prehistoric slackware on it.
thestringpuller: well I did that recently, slackware was neat back int he 90's
shinohai: trinque is the man for making that script. It made more sense to me than the mountain of info from the official site.
shinohai: Helped me wrap my head around the build steps.
ascii_field: thing is, if it won't ~correctly~ build x11, emacs & its dependencies, etc. - it is not a workstation linux.
ascii_field: it it ~does~ but uses gentoo's portage, it is a gentoo.
asciilifeform: !up anton_osika
trinque: shinohai: the handbook is a piece of shit
trinque: I haven't looked at it in years
ascii_field: anton_osika: i cannot help you even ~if~ i wanted to.
shinohai: Agreed trinque, which is why I never tried Gentoo until you came along.
trinque: I'm sure a day will come when my particular recipe stops working
trinque started openbsd-quest a while back
anton_osika: ascii_field: I just needed some clarification while the gentleman MP is gone.
ascii_field: trinque: i played with openbsd for a while and then got fed up with the dependency resolver retardation.
ascii_field: trinque: if it cannot compile emacs without building 'dbus', then it can GO TO HELL
trinque: ascii_field: pkg_add did seem to pull in goddamned everything
trinque: there was a project a while back to get portage on openbsd
trinque: stalled iirc
ascii_field: what the fuck would be the point.
ascii_field: use gentoo then.
trinque: no monstrosity of linux kernel
ascii_field: the monstrosity is ultimately from the hardware nonuniformity.
ascii_field: attempting to address the kernel bloat without somehow magicking this away, is idiocy.
ascii_field: and i personally am NOT interested in a lowest-common-denominator PIECE OF SHIT
kakobrekla: why i mentioned standard hw.
ascii_field: aha.
kakobrekla: like apple does, baiscally all the same hw.
ascii_field: right
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ascii_field: but if it doesn't do 10GB ethernet, hardware raid, gigantic display, etc. - it can go to hell.
trinque: openbsd kernel seems to lack all the virtualization, containerization, ...
trinque: while providing pretty good hardware support
ascii_field: not good enough.
ascii_field: i couldn't even get pcmcia to work reliably on it.
ascii_field: on a perhistoric laptop, no less.
ascii_field: *prehistoric
ascii_field: and until it builds x11 emacs without dbus and related idiocy, openbsd is WORTHLESS to me. ☟︎
ascii_field: for something touted as 'de-shitgnomized' unix, openbsd is uncommonly eager to pull the crud along
ascii_field: poetteringisms, drepperisms, the whole lot.
trinque: openbsd + V repo of standard issue tools, and forget ports
trinque: I built my own emacs by hand on the openbsd box I put together
trinque: *that* someone (maybe I) would be willing to maintain, but not a whole OS somebody else built
ascii_field: trinque: if i wanted to build things by hand, and resolve dependency hells by hand, i'd be using buildroot linux. ☟︎
trinque: didn't propose that; proposed a V repo of tools deps and shell scripts
ascii_field: 'want a glass of beer? here's a pile of sand, some hops, some barley'
trinque: lol
trinque: "wait a while"
ascii_field: trinque: for the 50,000 or so packages which i use ?!?!! ☟︎
ascii_field: who will maintain them? you?
trinque: obviously cannot solve the whole world at once
ascii_field: then it does me no good.
thestringpuller: need more cult members ☟︎
thestringpuller: and additonal pylons
trinque: and fusion reactors
thestringpuller: and a touch of vespene gas
ascii_field: picture if someone offered to cut off your arms, but promised to regrow them 10x stronger cell by cell.
trinque: how fast?
trinque: haha
ascii_field: to be completed some time 20 years from now, if things go well.
ascii_field: and gathers enough interest. etc.
thestringpuller: can we be in cryo sleep until then?
ascii_field: no.
thestringpuller: well that's no fun
ascii_field: aha.
trinque: !up ascii_field
punkman: !s broomstick
assbot: 16 results for 'broomstick' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=broomstick
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-08-2015#1243116 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
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ascii_field: aka the 'no, mr bond, we expect you to DIE!' school of problem-solving.
trinque: I'd build a dedicated box solely for using gossipd, browsing the WoTnet, running bitcoind, and very little else
ascii_field: trinque: this is not a workstation. and arguably it does not need a unix at all.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103881 @ 0.0007542 = 78.3471 BTC [-] {5}
ascii_field: the correct thing to do with each of those programs is to de-unixize and eventually de-os-ize them.
trinque: yeah that makes sense
punkman: need more harems
trinque: ascii_field: I found two fabs that will do small production runs, probably ones of which you're already aware
ascii_field: trinque: did you also find 100M usd in your sofa cushion ?
trinque: price point of one was far lower than that according to various internet chatter
trinque looks for the links
ascii_field: trinque: you must realize, it takes dozens of shots
punkman: did the various internet chatters make anything?
ascii_field: plus it ain't happening in my spare time.
trinque: mosis.com was the one I found somebody talking about getting a run done for a few k ☟︎
ascii_field: what does a few k get you?
ascii_field: last i saw, it gets you NO MOUNTING (you need a cleanroom of your own to mount the dies), NO TESTING, and 1970-level transistor counts.
trinque: here's where I found the convo http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/7042/how-much-does-it-cost-to-have-a-custom-asic-made
assbot: hdl - How much does it cost to have a custom ASIC made? - Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1QAHo2z )
trinque: guy claims 3k for 40 chips at CMP
trinque: http://cmp.imag.fr/products/ic/ << goes down to 65nm but surely vastly more expensive
assbot: CMP - Products :: IC's Manufacturing ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrZTGp )
ascii_field: trinque: traditionally these fabs neither package, nor test.
ascii_field: need a clean room and full-time staff to make use of the output.
trinque: ascii_field: also we're down to 100mn for a lisp CPU now?
trinque ducks
ascii_field: and it takes a dozen runs or more, to arrive at a usable chip. ☟︎
ascii_field: trinque: what difference does it make to you, 100 or 500
ascii_field: it ain't happening.
ascii_field: btw, does everyone understand what 'no test' means ?
ascii_field: it means that you can get a crate of bricks
trinque: sure, they fab the thing then throw it at you
ascii_field: and it counts as fulfilling the contract.
ascii_field: potentially ad infinitum.
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ascii_field: trinque: 'mosis' does apparently offer packaging.
ascii_field: but it is very clear, from their www, that it is a 'if you have to ask for prices, you can't afford this' affair. ☟︎
trinque: several sources online chattering about mosis being in the "several 10s of k" range
ascii_field: per shot ?
ascii_field: how many transistors on the die?
trinque: trying to find a source worth linking, but yes, they're not volunteering info on the site
trinque: two others are xfab and lfoundry apparently
ascii_field: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/12/microsoft-confirms-windows-10-now-forced-onto-windows-7-and-windows-8
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ns1tIq )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ;;later tell BingoBoingo original source - http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425381/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-your-machine-just-in-case
assbot: Microsoft is downloading Windows 10 to your machine 'just in case'- The Inquirer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ns1wUH )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: 'MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in.
ascii_field: MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in. ☟︎
ascii_field: An INQUIRER reader pointed out to us that, despite not having 'reserved' a copy of Windows 10, he had found that the ~BT folder, which has been the home of images of the new operating system since before rollout began, had appeared on his system. He had no plans to upgrade and had not put in a reservation request.'
ascii_field: ^ Run Moar Winblowz!
trinque: nsa must have something really good in there
ascii_field: trinque: no secret what
ascii_field: trinque: it is an openly-advertised (read the fine print) back orifice
trinque: yeah, have seen re: "telemetry"
ascii_field: aha.
ascii_field: 'He continued: “I know of two instances where people on metered connections went over their data cap for August because of this unwanted download. My own internet (slow DSL) was crawling for a week or so until I discovered this problem. In fact, that’s what led me to it. Not only does it download, it tries to install every time the computer is booted.”'
ascii_field: lulzy.
trinque: !up ascii_field
trinque: apple's turds do the same thing
chetty: perhaps this will backlash into getting more people off windows ...nah, I dream
ascii_field: trinque: officially advertise a built-in keylogger ?
trinque: they will pull down app updates automagically for you; maybe you have to turn it on
trinque: ascii_field: but no, this does take the bizarro-land cake
trinque: MS Sub7
trinque: chetty: the beoble loff 'im
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thestringpuller: only if linux had the same entertainment support windows has
thestringpuller: but tbh the drivers on linux suck balls
thestringpuller: trinque: based on current canon bizarro-land is also known as canada or as clark tells jimmy "Tell him is Bizzarro-America"
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOhlb_t0QbQ << interesting interview with Putin; as an American I found it an interesting peek into the mind of the man
assbot: Answer to a question at St Petersburg International Economic Forum session - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiwQzZ )
trinque: bit old, but didn't find in logs
trinque: good questions in particular about china
trinque: and Charlie Rose well represents the assumption that the rest of the world should see themselves as subject to the USA
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BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> need a clean room and full-time staff to make use of the output. << Cleanroom is the easy part. Staff and actually packaging are far harder
ascii_field: if easy - go, do.
BingoBoingo: Easy comparatively, IF level of cleanroom isn't spec'd
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: Spare bedroom, pull up carpet, make vestibule, vacuum obsessively, start negative pressure fans, vacuum some more, find iso guides to class your new cleanroom. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Much easier/cheaper than first person on staff
ascii_field: BingoBoingo has never set foot in actual 'clean room' has he.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: why not "steal" clean room
ascii_field: go, steal.
thestringpuller: i have...sort of...
thestringpuller: well people i used to go to school with
thestringpuller: they would use tools after hours without permission
thestringpuller: don't think this counts tho does it?
ascii_field: go and make equivalent of pentium 'after hours, without permission'.
ascii_field: why wait.
thestringpuller: maybe 6502
thestringpuller: pentium may require first born
ascii_field: go and sync blockchain on 6502.
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thestringpuller: ascii_field: challenge accepted
ascii_field: if you can't verify a block in <10min GUARANTEED you don't have a computer.
ascii_field: you have a desk ornament.
thestringpuller: hey it'll be a fun experiment either way
thestringpuller: always wanted to own a C64-like machine
ascii_field: go buy a soviet z80.
ascii_field: prolly more honest than anything that will ever come out of a usg foundry.
thestringpuller: "they diddled are key generators!"
thestringpuller: our*
funkenstein_: thestringpuller, the only "entertainment support" you should need is four strings
thestringpuller: !b 1 ✂︎
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2PRZNAT.txt )
phf: anton_osika thread reminds me of thomas jefferson arguing for debt relief while heavily indebted, he also uses "this is best for the people" argument, with the main difference that the debt question was at the time open, where's what osika is arguing against is the core idea of gpg contracts. the point of the thread has been fully answered in gpg contracts article and with a poetic take in hanbot's story, both make the underlying uncompromi ☟︎
phf: sing position very clear. i'm perplexed by osika's stuborn and persistent refusal to understand that what he's proposing goes contrary to core tenants, rather then some minor aside that needs further clarification.
ascii_field: tenets?
phf: aye, yes
ascii_field: but otherwise yes
ascii_field: !s special pleading
assbot: 4 results for 'special pleading' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=special+pleading
ascii_field: ^ mircea_popescu had a good piece on it
phf: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'nocrypto uses bits of C, similarly to other cryptographic libraries written in high-level languages. This was actually less of a performance concern, and more of a security one: for the low-level primitives which are tricky to implement and for which known, compact and widely used code already exists, the implementation is probably better reused. The major pitfall we hoped to avoid that way are side-channel attacks.' <<
ascii_field: mircea_popescu was right, you can instantly smell usg pheromone because it invariably forces the exact same retardation EVERY TIME
phf: i'm not sure if this is special pleading, or a case of a stranger using the technology he doesn't understand to shoot own foot. in the future perhaps expect more "but i'm me i have a passport from obama" people
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BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
deedbot-: [Qntra] Microsoft Preemptively Download Windows 10 On Machines - http://qntra.net/2015/09/microsoft-preemptively-download-windows-10-on-machines/
ascii_field: ugh
ascii_field: 'on machines' srsly ?
ascii_field: vs on what, on camels ?
ascii_field: imho worst title.
ascii_field: unrelatedly,
ascii_field: http://www.podval.org/~sds/ocaml-sucks.html
assbot: OCaml Language Sucks ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqMD9X )
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Would it really be accurate to describe the things as computers?
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: describe as what they are, win7 and 8 boxen
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/09/microsoft-preemptively-download-windows-10-on-machines/
assbot: Microsoft Preemptively Download Windows 10 On Windows 7 and 8 Boxes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqMSBP )
BingoBoingo: ^ fixed
ascii_field: i'd fix the url
ascii_field: but otherwise ok
BingoBoingo: Changing urls is problematic
phf: trinque: re lisp rps, you might want to look at cmucl's WIRE and REMOTE packages, https://common-lisp.net/project/cmucl/doc/cmu-user/ipc.html. while you can send sexps over the wire and slime/swank do it by sending readable forms in netstring format, you start running into issues when you need to ipc opaque blobs, like lambdas, hashtables or clos instances. cmucl's ipc solves all those issues, unfortunately married to cmucl. i think it woul
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1ic1JiP )
phf: d be an excellent exercise to make that code portable
phf: *lisp rpc
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://secgroup.dais.unive.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Practical-Padding-Oracle-Attacks-on-RSA.html << did we ever do these here ?
assbot: Practical Padding Oracle Attacks on RSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqPsI8 )
phf: i suppose one half of b-a should start on a linux distro and the other work on cl-emacs naggum always wanted *ducks* ☟︎
ascii_field: the third half will write device drivers
ascii_field: the fourth half - reverse-engineer hardware.
phf: hardware we build from scratch, i'm assembling some reference material http://orig15.deviantart.net/58c6/f/2012/243/f/2/raudan_valmistus_by_jarkko1-d5d2l2v.jpg ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaLyd2 )
ascii_field: phf: http://www.turborotfl.com/en/news/3497/How_to_make_a_AK-47_from_a_shovel << more relevant classic
assbot: How to make a AK-47 from a shovel? - Turborotfl.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1TtCOD7 )
trinque: http://makezine.com/2009/07/23/a-homemade-toaster-built-from-scrat/
assbot: A homemade toaster ... built from scratch! | Make: DIY Projects, How-Tos, Electronics, Crafts and Ideas for Makers ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaLD0v )
gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272365 << Incidentally I attempted to look up Mr. Blair in the 1958 ed. of Encyclopedia Brittanica and could find nothing on him. Apparently he was not yet notable by then. Would love to know what the editorial verdict would have been. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 04:22:30; *: asciilifeform just popped a crate with ~2kg of orwell. before anyone asks, no, nothing like even 20% of his output is on the net. in the 1968 four-volume set, there is perhaps 90% of it.
ascii_field: gernika: a good bit of his non-fictional writing was not yet published then.
shinohai: http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/14/irs-were-too-corrupt-and-incompetent-to-handle-100-million-checks/
assbot: IRS: We're Too Corrupt And Incompetent To Handle $100 Million Checks | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQeRvL )
phf: ic fabrication lab из торопа. русская народная сказка.
gernika: ascii_field: Ah. 1984 had been out for almost 10 years by that point. Perhaps it had not yet had an impact either.
BingoBoingo: !up FullFlaps
FullFlaps: ohai, and ty BingoBoingo, davout here
BingoBoingo: Oh hai
FullFlaps: just wanted to say you might be missing an 's' in your last qntra piece title
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FullFlaps: shouldn't it be 'Downloads'?
ascii_field: gernika: that was the problem. the book helped to bury him.
ascii_field: (it was not especially great, as a yarn)
shinohai: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: FullFlaps: fixed
gernika: ascii_field: strange to hear - as my memory of my experience reading it sometime in junior high school was that of complete enthrallment. But then again - who is a 13 year old to judge?
ascii_field: hey, same
ascii_field: but i'm told it doesn't work on adults.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Appeals Court Denies Dotcom Request for Extradition Hearing Delay - http://qntra.net/2015/09/appeals-court-denies-dotcom-request-for-extradition-hearing-delay/
mats: fun fact: gpg's serialization layer uses s-expressions rather than asn.1 and as a result, despite being hand-rolled in C, there doesn't appear to be any memory corruption in canonical mode ☟︎
ascii_field: mats: aha. these are also exposed in libgcrypt.
BingoBoingo: !up gonz__
mats: yup
kakobrekla: !unrate yang
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assbot: Successfully unrated yang
shinohai: O.o unrate ouch
BingoBoingo: !up FullFlaps
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
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cazalla: http://voxday.blogspot.de/2015/09/more-social-justice-convergence-in.html top keks
assbot: Vox Popoli: More social justice convergence in action ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQnHcV )
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274149 << tinkering up some shaped slag, I see! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 21:28:22; phf: hardware we build from scratch, i'm assembling some reference material http://orig15.deviantart.net/58c6/f/2012/243/f/2/raudan_valmistus_by_jarkko1-d5d2l2v.jpg
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BingoBoingo: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q-zyp_mSK78/VaSHDFsRiKI/AAAAAAAAMFk/G4icyO4IUL0/s1600/33a128e946e03599b968b40674097402bdc0501d74478c608fd03014a41d780d_1.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ir0FIA )
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BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/14/0e4a199534bf62badd9a52f20e87e5e1.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ickiDz )
trinque: BingoBoingo: http://goobsyplz.tumblr.com/post/31817898169/battlingperfection-whoever-made-this-picture << lawl, found
assbot: 9001% Natty ... ( http://bit.ly/1icl6by )
BingoBoingo: lol trinque I've never tried to find the source for msot of these screencaps
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BingoBoingo: Also trinque Did the server thief ever turn the box on?
trinque: neg
trinque: given they left the spare drives, I doubt they even knew what it was
trinque: "OH SHIT AN A/C UNIT!"
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BingoBoingo: lol, related http://epmonthly.com/article/severe-hyponatremic-encephalopathy-following-bowel-prep-for-colonoscopy/
assbot: Severe Hyponatremic Encephalopathy Following Bowel Prep For Colonoscopy - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1iKwtbs )
BingoBoingo: "A 79-year-old female presented to the emergency department (ED) from home with acute mental status changes over a period of one hour. Family reported this to be in the midst of bowel prep for a routine colonoscopy that was to take place the following day."
BingoBoingo: http://www.acc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123444290
assbot: A-10s deploy to Romania for Operation Atlantic Resolve ... ( http://bit.ly/1icmmLY )
BingoBoingo: http://epmonthly.com/article/this-common-ed-medication-can-set-off-tsa-alarms/
assbot: This Common ED Medication Can Set Off TSA Alarms - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1icmrzb )
BingoBoingo: "Use a bag to travel that has never been to the hospital and carry proof that you are a physician."
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap contract finally expired ? box is dead.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89500 @ 0.00076896 = 68.8219 BTC [-]
mats: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Tue Jul 26 14:48:17 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 45 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds.