BingoBoingo: Tanzania doesn't seem so bad. Only one in 20 people are HIV positive
mircea_popescu: <diana_coman> you mean you get a teaspoon of honey whenever he has a tantrum ? :))) << ehehehe see, this is why women are stuck with raising kids.
mircea_popescu: * trinque [...] a very angry man about why what I did was below what was expected of me << for the record, i don't think very much of this entire "expectations" verbiage/bs. if you think a little about it, so would you. a) what sort of fucking powerless vulnerable schmuck lets himself get into the position of DEPENDING on a kid ? that's what you're saying. don't say that, not only is it not true it's also very stupid.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and then b) supposing the kid is dumb enough to actually buy it, how the fuck is it going to balance anxiety throughout his life ?
mircea_popescu: suppose your wife dies in a car crash next year. which can happen, as it happens thousands of times each year. was it the kid's failurew that did it ? no ? how do you know ?
mircea_popescu: maybe that's what happens for doing so much less [in school] than what was EXPECTED of him.
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck decided you even GET to have "expectations". and if you do, why can't it ? it expects the government to fix his bed wetting now!
mircea_popescu: anyway. anglos are uniquely bad at child rearing. it's like african engineering, english pedadogy and north korean cuisine.
nubbins`: south korean cuisine, on the other hand
nubbins`: altho tbf the north eats kimchi too.
nubbins`: i found a jar of kimchi that i made april 11 in the back of the fridge today
mircea_popescu: btw, had some spledid kimchi with my sushi at this local japanese guy's place
trinque: mircea_popescu: hm yeah, even that is euphemistically skirting the issue of "was commanded A, did B"
nubbins`: thinking of a few things to make w/ it
mircea_popescu: trinque imo it's much better to let kids play their little mmorpg of reality. just explain to them how to level, and how to distinguish paladins from necromancers and lower level from high
mircea_popescu: the rest... fuck it, you got your own life to fuck up.
nubbins`: it's divine with grilled pork belly, bean paste & leaf lettuce
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assbot: Defending N.L. seal products; gift shop manager makes it her mission - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... (
http://bit.ly/1QbzEU1 )
nubbins`: "Most tourists from the United States have no idea they're not permitted to take sealskin products back into their country. When Prince explains the situation, she said they're flabbergasted."
nubbins`: "One lady, she bought a pair of the sealskin sneakers. She said, 'I'm taking my chance. I really want them and I'm going to take my chance.'"
nubbins`: modern smugglers: middle-aged women sneaking sealskin tennis shoes back home in their luggage
mircea_popescu: it's like, soviet citizen goes to paris, ahs a decent meal, then is like... "ima sneak these steaks back into leningrad"
mircea_popescu: anton_osika i don't understand what you think pgp sigs have to do with phuctor ?
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:29; anton_osika: But I will go on in my venture to find a way to verify my identity.
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nubbins`: man, the final level in this captain toad is a worthy challenge
nubbins`: 50 randomly generated boards, with increasingly difficult enemies, two hits and you're dead
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 23:38:34; diana_coman: gotta say though that I can (and did) get him to freeze by using a certain tone
nubbins`: i'm dying to play the new super mario maker
trinque: saw an ad for that just now, actually looks pretty fun
trinque: the new animation style Nintendo's gone with is obnoxious, though
nubbins`: anyway, you can choose from i think 4 different styles with this one
thestringpuller: can't make this dumb up: "surprise surprise. This was already brought up here about 3 months ago. Unfortunately with the Coinwallet Stress Test the other Altcoin businesses will use the results as a casestudy when they pitch their own blockchain to Fidelity, Citibank ,etc etc."
nubbins`: there's one ad spot where kid is playing and dad says HEY CAN I TRY and then converts level to smb1 skin
nubbins`: they beat their franchises to death
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:34; nubbins`: but he doesn't know how
nubbins`: but... the gameplay's usually there, so they get a pass
nubbins`: you mean you wouldn't move to tanzania if you could milk a cow?
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:17; nubbins`: what's alf gonna do in tanzania?
nubbins`: implication is that while you're a smart guy, you rely on other things to make your smartness useful
nubbins`: in the narrow context of your current employment, i should qualify
trinque: how can one value anything else if not that?
trinque: my capacity to value things ends at death
thestringpuller: trinque: star fox is a lot like link. doesn't really change. (i'm under the notion windwaker was a throwback)
trinque: plenty actually, and they survived
trinque: great granddaddy got the silver star
cazalla: thestringpuller, link has changed tremendously, he's a girl now
nubbins`: so you find yourself in the mud and what, lie down?
trinque mentally hops sideways to Chrono Trigger
nubbins`: mp's argument is hey if you're refugeeing, tanzania is just as good as anywhere else
nubbins`: or at least that's the outer layer of it, i can't be fucked to peel all of his onions for him
cazalla: thestringpuller, have not played recently so won't be any time soon
nubbins`: ^ this is maybe the second-most accurate depiction of LSD i've seen in video format
nubbins`: combine those two videos somehow and you're close to the real thing
trinque: nubbins`: ah the way the colors shift, got that on the last trip
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:47:27; mircea_popescu: trinque well, i see merit in it. the presumption you can enforce borders comes from what ?
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 23:06:04; mircea_popescu: "american" is not a thing, to begin with. he just lives there.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> mp's argument is hey if you're refugeeing, tanzania is just as good as anywhere else << no. my argument is that if you're refugeeing, where you go to refugee discriminates you. if you go to the eu, you're a scumbag. if you go to tanzania, you're somebody.
mircea_popescu: because YOU know if you are or you aren't worth shit, and YOU act accordingly.
mircea_popescu: because seriously, nobody needs them nobody wants them and they shouldn't even be here in the first place.
trinque: the last one got more shares
trinque: doesn't matter still lolled
nubbins`: well, we can't take that away from you
danielpbarron: trinque mentally hops sideways to Chrono Trigger << I got the official snes cartridge. I understand it's one of the more popular games from that era, but personal fav was "Secret of Mana"
danielpbarron: mine still works. I sometimes use it to play competative smb3 via All-Stars
trinque: danielpbarron: also good; both were Square games iirc
nubbins`: i went nes-genesis-psx-xbox-wii-wiiu
nubbins`: with various handhelds scattered throughout
trinque spend some time last night writing notes on a WoT+deedbot web of CLOS displayed by CLIM
trinque: maybe 75% because I want in-WoT warez
trinque: I think the point about data vs code is key, that I might be willing to encounter someone else's data without a WoT relationship, but I'll be damned if I want to run their code
trinque: I'd rather have the index of the right man's bookshelf than access to every landfill on earth for free
☟︎ nubbins`: you'd listen to their mixtape?
mircea_popescu: <trinque> maybe 75% because I want in-WoT warez << win.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, in-wot you can;'t even define "warez".
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: You ever play Secret of Evermore? That cartridge is worth quite a bit these days iirc.
mircea_popescu: much like "IP" had little meaning in the minstrel era.
danielpbarron: cazalla> danielpbarron, what's competitive smb3? << the game can be played "2 player" and each player has a separate score. You get the most points from time left over on the counter, so it's not usually a good idea to go back for coins.
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, yes I am familiar with that one (my cousins had it) but unfortunately I never got it
danielpbarron: yes it was worth about 100 USD last i checked (10 years ago)
thestringpuller: I didn't get to play Chrono Trigger till the PSX era when they rereleased it. It's a great game. Just so many different endings.
nubbins`: the real lulz are when the good delivery bars are drilled out
nubbins`: meantime, why so much leeway in weight for GD?
nubbins`: between 350 and 430 tr.oz, srsly?
mircea_popescu: tbh, the gold delivery process is not large enough. the only way to do it currently is to send delegates to observe assays. takes 7-10 days.
mircea_popescu: gavin should write a GIP to improve gold transfer blockspace.
mircea_popescu: if all the gold in the world changed hands right now it would take ~12 years to clear it all.
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i think the cart alone goes for 120-140ish now. Full gets up (box et. al) is probably double that maybe 300-400 range.
cazalla: danielpbarron, i hate 2 player mode - always used to ensure console time is evenly shared amongst brothers :\
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're discussing the things that are, not the things that could be.
nubbins`: too scary to actually look in the crystal ball
danielpbarron: thestringpuller, i also have the manual, but not the box (i bought the manual separately from the cart
danielpbarron: cazalla, it's only evenly shared if you are evenly matched in battle mode (the thing that happens if you catch the player lingering on your square)
danielpbarron: people get so pissy when I catch them into a battle and take their turn
mircea_popescu: (very similar to the nazi watering to look for buried stuff thing)
nubbins`: you can play the whole 2p game yourself if you're good in battle mode
trinque: asciilifeform: is there something respectable to look at in the CL world in regards to RPC?
danielpbarron: if you're reaaaly good, you plan your levels out so as to not get stuck in battles at all
nubbins`: what ever became of all that perfect synthetic diamond hype?
trinque: asciilifeform: that guy has a function I wanna get the result of via a socket
nubbins`: they're still forever tho, right?
trinque: wondering if there was some elegant way of doing this in the civilized era
trinque: fine answer; I've developed the habit of at least trying to look for prior art before reinventing something
trinque: asciilifeform: seems to me the right way is simply to barf sexps that look like function calls over the wire
nubbins`: "Assays of GD bars are determined by the refiner at the point of manufacture. An assay is likely only to be checked again when a bar is used as raw material in a refinery, for example, for the manufacture of small bars or in a plant manufacturing products like jewellery."
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trinque: asciilifeform: better question might be whether there are existing hypertext system implementations from that era
trinque: had a thread with gabriel_laddel recently on whether hypertext was even valuable; I hold that it is
trinque: node over there has data; I want to view it with presentations over here
trinque: this was HTML or something else?
trinque: obviously I'm searching for the latter
nubbins`: i did some typesetting with LaTeX in uni, the math dept required it
trinque: seems entirely clear to me that a better web would be nothing more than something like a CLIM listener here, and a network of data sources out there
trinque: and maybe the data source proposes to me that my system fetch some new presentations it needs, but that the act of browing around does not *at all* involve running someone else's code
trinque: asciilifeform: we all use the web all day; I'd have to be persuaded that it's useless
nubbins`: keep going and you'll reinvent MIME types
trinque: nubbins`: mime types are a shitty implementation of something that came before it
nubbins`: you think that's too real, don't ask me about cellular automata
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trinque: asciilifeform: if there could be hard constraints on what someone else's code could do on my computer, I'd be far more willing
trinque: as it stands I'd like to go back to an addressing system for flat text with the option of involving more code as I see fit
trinque: asciilifeform: there we have no disagreement
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 20:29:47; mircea_popescu: but V is the best simulation of how actual math learning happens (in those brains actually capable to learn math) that we ever had as a fucking species.
trinque: exactly what I meant about the right man's library index
nubbins`: came across my uni transcripts recently: yipes.
nubbins`: i have no business holding a degree
nubbins`: but... the only way they can take it away from me is by rendering it useless throu... waitaminute
gernika: asciilifeform a book that connects pythagoras to newton, with proofs for all the nodes in between?
trinque: ;;google ext:pdf Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning
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gernika aims lower. would be satisfied to be able to reconstruct algebra on death bed.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00074203 = 32.3525 BTC [-]
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assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:05:59; nubbins`: your name is irrelevant
mircea_popescu: and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers << incidentally, this is why a b-a linux is such a low hanging fruit.
mircea_popescu: but for some reason either the histeresis is great or outright resistance to the notion is great.
mircea_popescu: in between me pointing out gentoo does not actually work and alf getting off his "works for me" horse.
ben_vulpes: heh--pull a foundation and start with an ancient kernel?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there's going to have to be a bisection and it's hard work, of the "do not bother me for three days" sort.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: <gernika> I feared as much. << the objection is valid, and in no way different from "you can have a working os, i sort-of have one here, it's made out of 400 pieces and i could maybe remake it if i had a week off."
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 02:34:49; asciilifeform: problem is, most folks asking for this kind of thing, have vastly overoptimistic idea of what can be expected from a single book and a reasonable amount of study.
mircea_popescu: wich strictly means that a) mathematics is not open to human beings and b) even ultraspecialised approaches are pushing the proposition.
mircea_popescu: maybe 1% or so is the best you can hope for, as a human.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that until and unless someone takes a serious byte out of making the damned thing, it's kind of hard to guess if and how the graph is actually summarizable, or w/e the term is.
mircea_popescu: but 3k years' worth of bumbling efforts at "teaching" math by ear certainly never got very far with it.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 02:41:49; *: gernika aims lower. would be satisfied to be able to reconstruct algebra on death bed.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: << i have always wondered! why do mircea_popescu's contracts /always have names/ in addition to the fingerprints? << array of conveniences. your govt id includes your name aside from your number too.
assbot: kruzt is not registered in WoT.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 22:51:17; mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ask her!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all. << What, rotor stopped making enough Linux?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: "the whole point of the last month of pregnancy is to make the idea of childbearing very appealing"
ben_vulpes: the things women generally enthuse about doing to cocks doesn't appeal to me either.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112414 @ 0.00074104 = 83.3033 BTC [-] {5}
thestringpuller: like hitting dudes in the balls? that isn't very fun either.
ben_vulpes: no man, like sucking cocks and bearing children.
thestringpuller: being on the male side of child bearing is the unappealing part i was referring to! lol
thestringpuller: i actually don't think all the xanex in the world would help
ben_vulpes: it's great - a whole new world of indignities and hilarities to enjoy the spectacle of
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cazalla: fluffypony, do you know "Francois Harris the founder of Bitcoinzar"
cazalla: and here i thought it was money, or lack of it
fluffypony: cazalla: he follows me on Twitter and we've pm'd a bit, don't know him outside of that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9209 @ 0.00074838 = 6.8918 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: "The Department of Education calculated the percentage of students at each college who earned more than $25,000 per year, which is about what high school graduates earn. At hundreds of colleges, less than half of students met this threshold 10 years after enrolling"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5481 @ 0.00075932 = 4.1618 BTC [+]
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thestringpuller: Go to school work for school for cheap. Pay back loans for years to come.
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mircea_popescu: are those "hundreds of colleges" pretty much community "colleges" etc ?
mircea_popescu: and "college graduates" earning 2k per month is bs, incidentally. that's what the living wage is.
mircea_popescu: highschool grad in unionized job (police, plumbing, roadwork, you name it) does iirc 30-40k in his 30s.
punkman: it did mention barber/cosmetology "colleges" were included
mircea_popescu: seems there's ~7k colleges in the us. "hundreds" is meaningless in this context.
punkman: mircea_popescu: Title IV are just the ones the gov will loan you money to attend
BingoBoingo: ASP, Adobe cold fusion, nothing more toxic than an American college website
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assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00467408 = 3.5056 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48500 @ 0.00074186 = 35.9802 BTC [-]
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shinohai: I have a paltry node budget, I run it anyway.
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assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 05:06:53; thestringpuller: ^^^ danielpbarron
shinohai: Well can't say danielpbarron hasn't done his part for the cult.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119200 @ 0.00073708 = 87.8599 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: this time it's gonna be different! this guy we can count on to lead the country unlike 28 people before him
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's fortunate that moore's law hosts nodes for free in moore's legal datacenter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215950 @ 0.00073621 = 158.9845 BTC [-] {6}
HeySteve: having connection difficulties lately so I haven't been doing the manual sign in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82300 @ 0.00075478 = 62.1184 BTC [+] {3}
funkenstein_: the case of anton_osika reminds me of the post-resleeving identification ceremony from the takeshi kovacs novels.
funkenstein_: a signed statement from "enough" people in counterparty's WOT that the spirit of key A now resides in key B would be the only way
funkenstein_: but we all learn from these things so I say thanks to all involved
funkenstein_: "luke, I am your father". "No it's not true, sign a statement with his key bitch"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59306 @ 0.00076059 = 45.1076 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47476 @ 0.00077195 = 36.6491 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11824 @ 0.00077224 = 9.131 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: shinohai in other news, the isis throughput seems to be about 3%.
mircea_popescu: (isis has more "boots on the ground" in the immigrant wave than the us has in the entire middle east.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00077225 = 56.0654 BTC [+]
shinohai: Also, if the anton_osika guy reads these logs, please note there is no such word in the English language as "unprobabilistically "
anton_osika: I do read. I also have a talent for getting into tip-of-the-tounge moments, in such cases I make up words...
kakobrekla: we dont have a problem with words here but with concepts.
anton_osika: I tried to refer to the concept of 5 sigma, etc.
shinohai: When you PM'd me and said you had your "PGP keys unprobabilistically stolen" I was left scratching my head.
anton_osika: Well the "unprobabilistic" part was my strong belief that my keys were fail-safe recoverable.
shinohai: If you put money in your wallet and someone takes it out, do you think that is also fail-safe recoverable?
shinohai: Or say, the keys to your apartment?
trinque: anton_osika: that is not what that word means
assbot: Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse, and Bank of New York Mellon agree to hand over decrption keys to Symphony - New York Business Journal ... (
http://bit.ly/1KaGEPm )
trinque: you are looking for "improbably"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43691 @ 0.00077349 = 33.7946 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: So the people in #bitcoin-xt have some terrible links in their WoT
thestringpuller: i'm tempted to run a graph on the nicks in #bitcoin-XT and see which ones of them are connected to known scammers
trinque: ^ sounds like an awesome idea.
anton_osika: Would people here give their WoT that this long party should receive the delivery?
trinque: anton_osika: I think those here are tired of the pleading; I didn't voice you for that. And no, we do not vote on mircea_popescu's actions.
anton_osika: And the verification of the identity I am thinking of is not so hypothetical.
trinque: and the contact is solely with him; not with the WoT
anton_osika: trinque: I am sorry if that is what is seems.
anton_osika: Well the only thing he wants to defend is his WoT - so the opinions of other is relevant in these kind of contracts.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 229 @ 0.00488017 = 1.1176 BTC [-]
trinque: thestringpuller: in teh logz from yesterday
thestringpuller: dude wrote GPG contract, contract was partially executed, dude lost his key to prove delivery?
shinohai: He made a deal will the devil betting on Ethereum anyway.
shinohai: fluffypony: "Seriously, wtf. even a retard can put the wallet.dat on DropBox and be 99% safer than this." <<< LOLZ
☟︎ thestringpuller: WoT seems to work as advertised. Usagi completely vanished after Pete's assassination of him.
shinohai: I wish I had known about this place during the TradeFortress brouhaha. I called that one 6 months prior.
☟︎ assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00841001 / 0.00912056 / 0.00999999 (290 shares, 2.64496239 BTC), 30D: 0.00781001 / 0.00955043 / 0.01150000 (636 shares, 6.07407109 BTC)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00077576 = 23.7383 BTC [+]
ascii_field: thestringpuller: working on the five-year plan
ascii_field: '"To address cyber-security concerns, we ensure that all your conversations are transmitted in encrypted form," he wrote. "The key is that we do this without compromising ease of use and content discovery." As we now know, at least part of that "content discovery" now includes investitgators' searching for evidence of malfeasance.'
ascii_field: why would anyone use 'symphony' chat thing after this... ?
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 04:52:47; mircea_popescu: there's gotta be a complete bitcoin distro. kernel and all.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 04:53:09; ben_vulpes: heh--pull a foundation and start with an ancient kernel?
ascii_field: kakobrekla, thestringpuller: go buy pdp-11 on ebay, use.
kakobrekla: nothing in working conditions it seems.
kakobrekla: it comes down to the question if the 'bitcoin distro' is suppose to handle blockchain (and thus be connected via dangerwire)
ascii_field: kakobrekla: mircea_popescu's implication was that it ought to be a sane continuation of what gentoo once was (a linux for literate folks to use)
ascii_field: rather than a special-purpose item like rotor
ascii_field: something that, were it to exist, would let #b-a folks set the bozo bit on the rest of the so-called linux komyooniti
☟︎ thestringpuller: sounds like something those anti-systemd forkers of debian would get behind
thestringpuller: yea that's prob why all the cool kids were using Arch Linux in school
ascii_field: thing is, the kernel per se has cancer and leprosy
thestringpuller: so do most things, how do you rip out the tumor without killing the patient?
thestringpuller: wish i could find that thread you spoke on about how modern jet production is inaccessible to non USG-tied entities.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: not just production. OPERATION.
ascii_field: as in, if you got one as a birthday gift, it would be good for perhaps one or two sorties, if that.
ascii_field: and it wasn't usg in particular, but industrial slave empires in general
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thestringpuller: interesting side note: it makes it easy to erase technology from the face of the earth if constructed this way...i.e. sr-71
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 04:54:13; mircea_popescu: there's going to have to be a bisection and it's hard work, of the "do not bother me for three days" sort.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 04:54:44; ben_vulpes: if it boots emacs, i'm in.
ascii_field: this, incidentally, is ~the~ bar for formalization. IFF you can do it on a computer, then ~possibly~ you really have a formal handle on the mechanics. but NOT before then.
☟︎ ascii_field: HENCE my almost life-long interest in 'computer algebra' machinery.
ascii_field: shinohai: what do you actually expect from such a thing ?
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trinque: ascii_field | kakobrekla: mircea_popescu's implication was that it ought to be a sane continuation of what gentoo once was (a linux for literate folks to use) << danielpbarron was able to produce something with my script
trinque: you can still build a sane gentoo these days
ascii_field: trinque: one can build a working gentoo, yes. on certain hardware, and if the gods smile on you
shinohai: ascii_field: A distribution specifically for use with realbitcoin with no unnecessary fluff
ascii_field: ~i~ can. trinque apparently can. mircea_popescu iirc was not able to. and hanbot also did not.
☟︎ ascii_field: shinohai: this is not what mircea_popescu was asking for
trinque: that script I wrote approaches a gentoo installer
trinque: the funny business is all in simple things like partitioning and installing the bootloader, pieces I bet could be lifted from debian's installer
ascii_field: trinque: thing is, if it doesn't do x11 on ARBITRARY DISPLAY then it WON'T be my workstation. but if it DOES do x11, then it is not shitgnomery-proof
trinque: ascii_field: yeah, that is the rub; you have to have all modules built and an initrd that tries to load them all
trinque: gives you what the livecd has
ascii_field: trinque: my understanding is that mircea_popescu would like a linux that is analogous to what we did with therealbitcoin. where the tree is frozen, all arguably-superfluous things are jettisoned, and any further changes must come from wot folk.
☟︎ trinque: right, that's a hell of an exercise ball
kakobrekla: imma guess we are phucked without standard hw. also phucked with (for other obvious reasons)
☟︎ ascii_field: notice that NOTHING stops anybody from going to the scrapyard, digging up a pentium-ii, and booting up, e.g., prehistoric slackware on it.
thestringpuller: well I did that recently, slackware was neat back int he 90's
shinohai: trinque is the man for making that script. It made more sense to me than the mountain of info from the official site.
shinohai: Helped me wrap my head around the build steps.
ascii_field: thing is, if it won't ~correctly~ build x11, emacs & its dependencies, etc. - it is not a workstation linux.
ascii_field: it it ~does~ but uses gentoo's portage, it is a gentoo.
trinque: shinohai: the handbook is a piece of shit
trinque: I haven't looked at it in years
ascii_field: anton_osika: i cannot help you even ~if~ i wanted to.
shinohai: Agreed trinque, which is why I never tried Gentoo until you came along.
trinque: I'm sure a day will come when my particular recipe stops working
trinque started openbsd-quest a while back
anton_osika: ascii_field: I just needed some clarification while the gentleman MP is gone.
ascii_field: trinque: i played with openbsd for a while and then got fed up with the dependency resolver retardation.
ascii_field: trinque: if it cannot compile emacs without building 'dbus', then it can GO TO HELL
trinque: ascii_field: pkg_add did seem to pull in goddamned everything
trinque: there was a project a while back to get portage on openbsd
trinque: no monstrosity of linux kernel
ascii_field: the monstrosity is ultimately from the hardware nonuniformity.
ascii_field: attempting to address the kernel bloat without somehow magicking this away, is idiocy.
ascii_field: and i personally am NOT interested in a lowest-common-denominator PIECE OF SHIT
kakobrekla: like apple does, baiscally all the same hw.
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ascii_field: but if it doesn't do 10GB ethernet, hardware raid, gigantic display, etc. - it can go to hell.
trinque: openbsd kernel seems to lack all the virtualization, containerization, ...
trinque: while providing pretty good hardware support
ascii_field: i couldn't even get pcmcia to work reliably on it.
ascii_field: and until it builds x11 emacs without dbus and related idiocy, openbsd is WORTHLESS to me.
☟︎ ascii_field: for something touted as 'de-shitgnomized' unix, openbsd is uncommonly eager to pull the crud along
ascii_field: poetteringisms, drepperisms, the whole lot.
trinque: openbsd + V repo of standard issue tools, and forget ports
trinque: I built my own emacs by hand on the openbsd box I put together
trinque: *that* someone (maybe I) would be willing to maintain, but not a whole OS somebody else built
ascii_field: trinque: if i wanted to build things by hand, and resolve dependency hells by hand, i'd be using buildroot linux.
☟︎ trinque: didn't propose that; proposed a V repo of tools deps and shell scripts
ascii_field: 'want a glass of beer? here's a pile of sand, some hops, some barley'
ascii_field: trinque: for the 50,000 or so packages which i use ?!?!!
☟︎ trinque: obviously cannot solve the whole world at once
ascii_field: picture if someone offered to cut off your arms, but promised to regrow them 10x stronger cell by cell.
ascii_field: to be completed some time 20 years from now, if things go well.
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
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ascii_field: aka the 'no, mr bond, we expect you to DIE!' school of problem-solving.
trinque: I'd build a dedicated box solely for using gossipd, browsing the WoTnet, running bitcoind, and very little else
ascii_field: trinque: this is not a workstation. and arguably it does not need a unix at all.
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ascii_field: the correct thing to do with each of those programs is to de-unixize and eventually de-os-ize them.
trinque: ascii_field: I found two fabs that will do small production runs, probably ones of which you're already aware
ascii_field: trinque: did you also find 100M usd in your sofa cushion ?
trinque: price point of one was far lower than that according to various internet chatter
ascii_field: trinque: you must realize, it takes dozens of shots
punkman: did the various internet chatters make anything?
trinque: mosis.com was the one I found somebody talking about getting a run done for a few k
☟︎ ascii_field: last i saw, it gets you NO MOUNTING (you need a cleanroom of your own to mount the dies), NO TESTING, and 1970-level transistor counts.
trinque: guy claims 3k for 40 chips at CMP
ascii_field: trinque: traditionally these fabs neither package, nor test.
ascii_field: need a clean room and full-time staff to make use of the output.
trinque: ascii_field: also we're down to 100mn for a lisp CPU now?
ascii_field: and it takes a dozen runs or more, to arrive at a usable chip.
☟︎ ascii_field: trinque: what difference does it make to you, 100 or 500
ascii_field: btw, does everyone understand what 'no test' means ?
ascii_field: it means that you can get a crate of bricks
trinque: sure, they fab the thing then throw it at you
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ascii_field: trinque: 'mosis' does apparently offer packaging.
ascii_field: but it is very clear, from their www, that it is a 'if you have to ask for prices, you can't afford this' affair.
☟︎ trinque: several sources online chattering about mosis being in the "several 10s of k" range
trinque: trying to find a source worth linking, but yes, they're not volunteering info on the site
trinque: two others are xfab and lfoundry apparently
ascii_field: 'MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in.
ascii_field: MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in.
☟︎ ascii_field: An INQUIRER reader pointed out to us that, despite not having 'reserved' a copy of Windows 10, he had found that the ~BT folder, which has been the home of images of the new operating system since before rollout began, had appeared on his system. He had no plans to upgrade and had not put in a reservation request.'
trinque: nsa must have something really good in there
ascii_field: trinque: it is an openly-advertised (read the fine print) back orifice
trinque: yeah, have seen re: "telemetry"
ascii_field: 'He continued: “I know of two instances where people on metered connections went over their data cap for August because of this unwanted download. My own internet (slow DSL) was crawling for a week or so until I discovered this problem. In fact, that’s what led me to it. Not only does it download, it tries to install every time the computer is booted.”'
trinque: apple's turds do the same thing
chetty: perhaps this will backlash into getting more people off windows ...nah, I dream
ascii_field: trinque: officially advertise a built-in keylogger ?
trinque: they will pull down app updates automagically for you; maybe you have to turn it on
trinque: ascii_field: but no, this does take the bizarro-land cake
trinque: chetty: the beoble loff 'im
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thestringpuller: only if linux had the same entertainment support windows has
thestringpuller: trinque: based on current canon bizarro-land is also known as canada or as clark tells jimmy "Tell him is Bizzarro-America"
trinque: bit old, but didn't find in logs
trinque: good questions in particular about china
trinque: and Charlie Rose well represents the assumption that the rest of the world should see themselves as subject to the USA
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BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> need a clean room and full-time staff to make use of the output. << Cleanroom is the easy part. Staff and actually packaging are far harder
BingoBoingo: Easy comparatively, IF level of cleanroom isn't spec'd
BingoBoingo: Spare bedroom, pull up carpet, make vestibule, vacuum obsessively, start negative pressure fans, vacuum some more, find iso guides to class your new cleanroom.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Much easier/cheaper than first person on staff
ascii_field: BingoBoingo has never set foot in actual 'clean room' has he.
ascii_field: go and make equivalent of pentium 'after hours, without permission'.
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ascii_field: if you can't verify a block in <10min GUARANTEED you don't have a computer.
ascii_field: prolly more honest than anything that will ever come out of a usg foundry.
funkenstein_: thestringpuller, the only "entertainment support" you should need is four strings
phf: anton_osika thread reminds me of thomas jefferson arguing for debt relief while heavily indebted, he also uses "this is best for the people" argument, with the main difference that the debt question was at the time open, where's what osika is arguing against is the core idea of gpg contracts. the point of the thread has been fully answered in gpg contracts article and with a poetic take in hanbot's story, both make the underlying uncompromi
☟︎ phf: sing position very clear. i'm perplexed by osika's stuborn and persistent refusal to understand that what he's proposing goes contrary to core tenants, rather then some minor aside that needs further clarification.
ascii_field: 'nocrypto uses bits of C, similarly to other cryptographic libraries written in high-level languages. This was actually less of a performance concern, and more of a security one: for the low-level primitives which are tricky to implement and for which known, compact and widely used code already exists, the implementation is probably better reused. The major pitfall we hoped to avoid that way are side-channel attacks.' <<
ascii_field: mircea_popescu was right, you can instantly smell usg pheromone because it invariably forces the exact same retardation EVERY TIME
phf: i'm not sure if this is special pleading, or a case of a stranger using the technology he doesn't understand to shoot own foot. in the future perhaps expect more "but i'm me i have a passport from obama" people
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BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Would it really be accurate to describe the things as computers?
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: describe as what they are, win7 and 8 boxen
phf: trinque: re lisp rps, you might want to look at cmucl's WIRE and REMOTE packages,
https://common-lisp.net/project/cmucl/doc/cmu-user/ipc.html. while you can send sexps over the wire and slime/swank do it by sending readable forms in netstring format, you start running into issues when you need to ipc opaque blobs, like lambdas, hashtables or clos instances. cmucl's ipc solves all those issues, unfortunately married to cmucl. i think it woul
phf: d be an excellent exercise to make that code portable
phf: i suppose one half of b-a should start on a linux distro and the other work on cl-emacs naggum always wanted *ducks*
☟︎ ascii_field: the fourth half - reverse-engineer hardware.
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assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 04:22:30; *: asciilifeform just popped a crate with ~2kg of orwell. before anyone asks, no, nothing like even 20% of his output is on the net. in the 1968 four-volume set, there is perhaps 90% of it.
ascii_field: gernika: a good bit of his non-fictional writing was not yet published then.
phf: ic fabrication lab из торопа. русская народная сказка.
gernika: ascii_field: Ah. 1984 had been out for almost 10 years by that point. Perhaps it had not yet had an impact either.
FullFlaps: ohai, and ty BingoBoingo, davout here
FullFlaps: just wanted to say you might be missing an 's' in your last qntra piece title
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ascii_field: gernika: that was the problem. the book helped to bury him.
gernika: ascii_field: strange to hear - as my memory of my experience reading it sometime in junior high school was that of complete enthrallment. But then again - who is a 13 year old to judge?
mats: fun fact: gpg's serialization layer uses s-expressions rather than asn.1 and as a result, despite being hand-rolled in C, there doesn't appear to be any memory corruption in canonical mode
☟︎ ascii_field: mats: aha. these are also exposed in libgcrypt.
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BingoBoingo: lol trinque I've never tried to find the source for msot of these screencaps
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BingoBoingo: Also trinque Did the server thief ever turn the box on?
trinque: given they left the spare drives, I doubt they even knew what it was
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