BingoBoingo: Head has plenty of space. I drink to clear up plenty of useful space in head. Anyways chopping away on system I choose to depend on that no one else uses provides a serious incentive to not fuck up.
BingoBoingo: 0.5.3 isn't much different from 0.7.2 really a lot of overlap. Mostly just more loc, but not too many differences yet in the ones they share. Most of the wild differences and cpp-isms enter in 0.8 and 0.9 and beyond
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: began, then workload ate my free time for a bit, but it's still in my stack
trinque: mmyeah that's pretty annoying
shinohai: I wondered about that myself, but just meh'd it off an mv
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shinohai: True dat, asciilifeform ... mod6 told me the same :/
BingoBoingo: That is likely. If any escape it may be that oracle wishes to kill the market for them.
BingoBoingo: Of course, but USG is rarely rational anymore.
assbot: WikiLeaks Stratfor Emails Contain Malware
shinohai: I dunno why I feel such distaste fr Julian Assange, I have never been able to put a finger on it.
trinque: he certainly stinks of one.
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shinohai: I jokingly said that perhaps he and Edward Snowden were gay lovers on reddit once, and almost got tarred and feathered.
trinque: I can use it just fine now
trinque: just seems like db's configure script has some problem, and grabbed some data from my env
trinque: otherwise pretty impressive that the diff between the two binaries was so small
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decimation: asciilifeform: I don't know if you have been to a starbucks recently, but they converted over to 'fully automatic' espresso machines - with milk dispenser!
decimation: all the 'barista' does is hit the button
decimation: greenspun thinks that if starbucks went 'full coke machine' and got rid of the employees, they wouldn't be able to charge the rates they do, because 'not hand crafted'
decimation: so they are stuck with humans who pretend to know how to make coffee
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2014 01:40:04; asciilifeform: what follows is the payload, divided into K gibblets, each below udp mtu in size, each signed with ephemeral key. the gibblets are coded using fountain code (e.g. 'raptor') and you need N of K - in any order - to reassemble.
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:45:47; asciilifeform: payload (incl. the signature) is in the crypted blob
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:46:08; asciilifeform: ~i~ mentioned it
BingoBoingo: <decimation> so they are stuck with humans who pretend to know how to make coffee << Just like McDonalds where every aspect of food preparation is automated except for parts where the necessary machines don't yet exist.
decimation: BingoBoingo: and those machines don't exist because mcdonald's would face a shitstorm if it went 'full coke machine'
BingoBoingo: decimation: I doubt it. The steps where humans are involved are the ones where X has to be moved to Y. Ones where the chromosonally retarded can perform adequate error checking. Perhaps the right machines exist in some bunker, or it isn't economical to produce them though they have been developed.
assbot: Yes, my teenage son is transgender. No, you may not ask about his genitals. - The Washington Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1I60ACb )
decimation: where do they dig this shit up? meanwhile actual shit happens in usg all around washington - not important?
BingoBoingo: <decimation> mcdonalds 'provides good jobs' << Nah jobs are the franchinsee's problem
decimation: sure, but franchisee doesn't make R&D decisions
BingoBoingo: So long as McDonalds has few corporate stores they have to staff and having staff at all is largely a franchisee problem McDonalds will automate for consistency (i.e. robogrill) instead of doing so to purely reduce labor.
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BingoBoingo: At the point where USG decides franchisee employees are actually McDonalds employees... coke machine
BingoBoingo: Well, they will probably keep humans at the cash register to provide a surface for customers to direct anger at.
☟︎☟︎ assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1500 @ 0.00111 = 1.665 BTC
coderwill: It will be interesting to see if food shortages are bearish for McDonald's in the long run. OTOH, I wonder how much of the menu is actually subject to food shortages.
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BingoBoingo: coderwill: Probably the same way they always have, menu adjustments.
coderwill: BingoBoingo: Not to change the topic, but have been wondering something, if you don't mind me asking - do you write under your alias as opposed to a real name for any particular reason?
BingoBoingo: coderwill: I came this channel all cautious like because I was afraid of making a fool out of myself. Eventually I had used this nick long enough I identify as this more than I do as my USG imposed slave name.
BingoBoingo: But my slave name is on the Qntra MPEx contract for the curious.
coderwill: Ah, thanks for the background - that's really interesting. I myself am thinking about a new project, and was wondering if in this day and age it is a disadvantage to attach a real-life identify to the Internet.
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BingoBoingo: I mean the connection mean I've basically self doxxed, but my slave name may actually be a less common string than the IRC nick.
BingoBoingo: mats: I'm still out on bond... as I have been since May 2013
☟︎ decimation: mats: I think you are right about snowden by the way
mats: it is suspicious that he shills projects like tails also
mats: next thing ya know he's gonna be telling folks to use 'TextSecure' and 'RedPhone'
decimation: I don't buy into this conspiracy theory stuff. a much more consistant theory is that he didn't know wtf he was talking about
mats: I have no dramatic theories as to wut is going on (like alf) but I do not care at all about what he has to say
decimation: either he was a brilliant ru spy, or he was a self-appointed reddit internet policeman
☟︎ trinque: he can be oblivious and serve the same purpose.
mats: I agree its most likely he's just a dumbass
decimation: he might have had a pretty good case (that he was a whistleblower) if all he released was the verizon court order for all the metadata
BingoBoingo: decimation: I lean towards Snowden being a derpy redditor with an opportunity who happened to steal the powerpoints because... reddit
decimation: aside from the metadata stuff, the evidence that there's domestic spying going on seems pretty thin
BingoBoingo: Of course ascii could be right and derpy reddit Snowden could be a stage actor
decimation: maybe, but I don't understand how it benefits usg
decimation: I do see how all the noise and confusion benefits usg's enemies
BingoBoingo: Well, if stuff was already leaking, replace actual leaker with Reddit derp stage actor.
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BingoBoingo: Edward Snowden in CitizenFour seemed legit though... derpy
decimation: which seems to be based on "he only released some tech stuff"
decimation: he's either a very good actor or he was earnest
decimation: but he's not being entirely forthcoming
BingoBoingo: I dunno how anyone could trust Greenwald after Citizenfour unless they have some liberal switch in their head which gets tripped when they see his Brazilian boyfriend
decimation: is real position seems to be that usg shouldn't spy on anyone, even foriegners
mats: what a shit sysadmin
decimation: now, I do think usg has a real problem with its 'secret services' running amock, making a mess of things, and generally being completely untransparent to anybody
☟︎ decimation: they might have been heros to the allies, if they hadn't failed
decimation: certainly. what is your position on mr. oleg of the kgb?
decimation: certainly usg is gonna throw the book at snowden - how could anyone in the civil service have sympathy?
decimation: although somehow many of the the 'damned memories' are still known today
decimation: yes, but the problem today seems to be sorting signal from noise
decimation: "wouldn't you really like to go to syria?"
coderwill: mats: you mentioned snowden shilling for tails
coderwill: mats: do you mean that as an insinuation that tails is not what it claims to be?
BingoBoingo: Tails probably fails to deliver what it promises
decimation: the only way to know is to read the code; build for self
assbot: Logged on 04-10-2013 15:21:32; mircea_popescu: i'm with asciilifeform's suggestion : that pps is prima facie evidence that the nsa is in fact currently decoding ALL traffic passing through all tor nodes, linking it to originating ips and storing this mess.
coderwill: asciilifeform: sorry, i don't understand this last point - linked in ssl?
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decimation: wtf how is that proof of anything re: tor?
decimation: it looks to me that they are whining about tor because it makes their job harder
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punkman: "One of the first things I did after installing OpenBSD back in the day was set up a 6bone tunnel and ping6 all three other IPv6 sites out there. I was living in the future. Fifteen years later, and well... Fuck IPv6."
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BingoBoingo: Also note Reuters includes that the dentist used a bow and arrow.
decimation: eh, the anti-gunners know they can stir up some shit with this kind of story
BingoBoingo: I actually didn't know he used a bow until minutes ago. I thought he would have used one of those exotic African calibers .300-.460 with a name attached like Weatherby or Tyranosaurus. I am impressed.
BingoBoingo: punkman: Far more badass than my dentist brother.
punkman: he should practice his archery on those protestors outside his office
☟︎ decimation: what if instead of lions he hunted eastern shit beetles?
BingoBoingo: decimation: He would give a fuck. I have to imagine one hunts lions in part for the danger.
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decimation: sure, he would, not rest of world media
BingoBoingo contemplating AMD A4-5000 machine as upgrade or complement to AMD 350 machine...
BingoBoingo not sure preformance boost would be enough to make a difference
mats: 20:25:57 <+asciilifeform> mats: down to business - what's your position on the 'july plot' men ? << no opinion rly
mats: coderwill: it is an open secret that Tor is broken
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cazalla: thanks BingoBoingo, so nice to finally sit down on a friday arvo
BingoBoingo: Though here is is Just after midnight Friday morning
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cazalla: ;;later tell mike_c a belated grats on the birth of your daughter
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assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 00:53:05; asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov would you please consider getting rid of the PILE OF SHIT appended to the filenames ?
jurov: as i can't get it to work and nobody's using it, maybe that would be for the best
jurov: plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published
☟︎ punkman: does it let html emails through?
jurov: emails are let through mostly unchanged. we're talikng about archives
shinohai: I'm sure you'll get it fixed jurov
shinohai: Same with me with this cross-compilation shit. I just got to take a breather and keep researching, eventually I'll get it.
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shinohai: At the very least, I have not cursed God one time in all my failures with this pogo danielpbarron, so maybe there is hope for me yet.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 19:09:50; shinohai: trinque: I do regularly mumble prayers in public to Satan, when fundamentalists ruin my meal by trying to pray loudly over their food for 30 minutes.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 19:12:18; mircea_popescu: * danielpbarron too << maybe solution then is ask 7 yo kid if they should be killed and do the opposite.
shinohai: I have read the Bible many times and have come to the conclusion that the majority of "Christians" I have met or seen are decidedly un-Christlike.
danielpbarron: and it is perfectly in-line with the predictions of The Bible
danielpbarron: Jesus Himself wondered if there would be anyone who believes when He returns
danielpbarron: ya, false teachers are the most despicable people on earth
kakobrekla: nah, the correct observation would be that religion is a virus and religious people ill.
☟︎ shinohai: I believe if you are going to follow a faith, you can't just pick and choose the parts that sound cherry to you.
danielpbarron: i guess that's not too far off from my own experience, in that I did not choose to believe, although the way I see it is that God made me well and it's all the non-believers who are still ill
shinohai: I'd rather say "I'm an atheist" and be wrong, than be one of the hypocrites danielpbarron describes.
danielpbarron: "atheist" probably have better chances of being saved than most self-described christians
jurov: shinohai how can you ever choose a faith otherwise?
jurov: if you are convinced that you're despicable scum and choose a faith that says so.. then you cherrypicked too
shinohai: If there *is* a God jurov, I'd like to think he chooses you, instead of vice-versa. I know all the "free will" speeches.
☟︎ shinohai: Free will seems like an excuse, like God is setting you up for failure.
jurov: you still need to decide when He talks to you and when not
danielpbarron: the concept of "free will" has no foundation in The Bible
shinohai: If that is true, then does that mean God is equal part Satan as well? I don't follow.
danielpbarron: satan is not nearly as big of a deal as most people are lead to believe
danielpbarron: God causes satan (and everyone else for that matter) to do what he does, and satan will too be destroyed in the lake of fire
shinohai: So if god already knows I am evil and he is going to send me to hell, what is the point of even trying?
jurov: so everything is just a big puppet show?
danielpbarron: not just knows but actually created you for the purpose of being that way
jurov: A new commandment I give upon thee: lean back and enjoy!
kakobrekla: eh please, even Exaybachay has better stories than that.
shinohai: I'm not interested in being a pawn in some celestial chess match, tbh.
danielpbarron: right, The Bible says fear nothing but God. It's relaxing to believe because no longer do you have to worry about each and every hyped up "terrorism" that people try to sell
kakobrekla: you know the bible has the credibility of the santa story
shinohai: To me, it was a relief to say "idgaf" about it all anymore.
danielpbarron: i recently told a friend's 5 year old son that anyone who tries to tell him about santa is a liar
jurov: kakobrekla: God caused you to :)
shinohai: I also can't believe that throughout 2000+ years of Christianity's existence that some unknown "non-denomination" comes along and finally gets it right,
shinohai: right here in good 'ol 'murica
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shinohai: Because Jesus was obviously a homophobic, racist, bigot right?
shinohai: The Jesus that is portrayed in the gospels seems the polar opposite of all that is preached now.
danielpbarron: Jesus is the same God as the one in the old testament
danielpbarron: and He isn't afraid of homosexuals as the suffix "phobic" implies
danielpbarron: and there may very well have been true churches along the way from 2000 years ago to today, I just don't know about them
danielpbarron: not surprising that they are unknown, as scripture informs us that the world will hate the truth
shinohai: Surely God's ego can handle different ways of approaching him.
shinohai: Not sure if my pal pussyfreak is here, but he is a Java developer. I hate Java, but I haven't tried to kill him or tell him he is going to fry if he doesn't use Python instead.
☟︎ davout: shinohai: he is already frying in hell
davout: "Those who believe there is a difference between nirvana and samsara, are already in samsara"
kakobrekla: the world will hate the truth < what every liar said too.
kakobrekla: thats the first thing you establish before telling lies.
davout: does reddit haet? yes? then it's probably true
kakobrekla: does ba haet? yes? then its probably true.
davout: we should migrate to #bitcoin-asshaet
danielpbarron: well the fact that i'm not banned from here yet is a good sign for you guys
davout: every king has its fool
davout: and i have to say i'm amused :D
shinohai: danielpbarron: I think it is wrong to ban a person just because they hold different beliefs. I have plenty of Xstian friends.
danielpbarron: there was a channel on efnet i used to hang out in way back when i was still atheist
danielpbarron: earlier this year they effectively banned me for telling people they were going to hell
danielpbarron: particularly one of the other regulars there, a practitioner of modern judaism
kakobrekla: I think it is wrong to ban a person just because they hold different beliefs. < this doesnt make much sense , but > I think it is wrong to ban a person just because are sick. < does.
☟︎ shinohai: Well I could certainly phrase it better kakobrekla. My brain is rather fried atm.
kakobrekla: its not about phrasing, its about meaning.
decimation: danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? like, they know they torah and tanakh but are too cool to follow them?
☟︎ decimation: kakobrekla: why are religious people any more ill for holding a conviction about the supernatural than atheists - who hold similar convictions?
kakobrekla: decimation note that im speaking of 'religious' and not 'spiritual'. i think that answers your question.
decimation: not in the least. how do you distinguish?
kakobrekla: example: i dont know exactly what consciousness is, but i am not going to go believing santa didit and act like a psychopath in that name.
decimation: asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port?
decimation: very handy for piping to remote machine
decimation: I wish it had built-in rate limiting for example - and packet size
decimation: I also found a utility called 'pipe viewer' (pv) that rate-limits pipes - handy for both of the above tools
decimation: one could almost shell-script your udp verifier
decimation: pratically speaking it is best to keep the whole footprint smaller than the L3 cache on your cpu
decimation: if a multicore machine, no reason why not a single io controller and multiple checker threads
decimation: but I doubt it is even needed for 1gb pipe
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decimation: yes, not only that but multi-core interrupts too
decimation: ideally you would want promiscuous mode
decimation: so you wouldn't even need to restrict yourself to a single ip
decimation: it would only be helpful if you could install 'upstream' on a big isp network
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decimation: yes the switches do, but generally the switch also has 'monitor port'
decimation: yes, it seems his requirements are well within the capabilities of pedestrian switches/routers
decimation: yeah, would have to spend $10k-100k on router
decimation: cisco 3945e claims to handle 3mpps (64byte) for instance, can be had on ebay for 5-10k
danielpbarron: decimation> danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? << someone who believes in old testament stuff and not new testament. And yeah they also have some other books they add to scripture like the "oral tradition"
danielpbarron: I hesitate to call them "Jews" because you don't have to be blood-line to practice judaism, and Christians are the true Jews
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mircea_popescu: <gribble> Sent 57 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> dulap desperately needs to not be the only industrial-sized therealbitcoin node. phuctor is severely i/o starved << so help hanbot get it going.
☟︎ shinohai: asciilifeform: what, exactly, constitutes an industrial-sized therealbitcoin node?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 22:05:10; shinohai: I think I read somewhere that failed "social currency" reddcoin 's lead developer quit, after squandering all their IPCO funds, and now they are going to attempt round two.
mircea_popescu: shinohai something on a 100mbit pipe i imagine he means
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 22:06:27; ascii_field: no 'css' on that www !
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assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 22:35:30; trinque: holy shit, at least he said it aloud
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 01:09:04; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i will point out that i have not been able to locate an elbrus, nor has, last i asked, mircea_popescu, nor anyone else i know
mircea_popescu: some Luke-Jr somewhere swore he "was delivered" and the fishwrappers echoed the unverified, unsubstantial claim is all.
mircea_popescu: "Although Wikileaks first publicized the emails in 2012, they did not release all of them until two years later." << lmao wut, rly ?!
mircea_popescu: dude how the fuck does this braindamaged fucktarded generation work, already.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 01:22:26; asciilifeform: i.e. if you built it and it ended up sitting down in /home/luser/a/b/d/e/f/g/p/q/r/s, it will stay there. or rebuild WHOLE THING again.
mike_c: cazalla: belated thanks!
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 02:33:54; BingoBoingo: So long as McDonalds has few corporate stores they have to staff and having staff at all is largely a franchisee problem McDonalds will automate for consistency (i.e. robogrill) instead of doing so to purely reduce labor.
mircea_popescu: by now usg painted itself in the very sad corner where it has to provide housing for free and does the whole ration meal thing via mcd. all the drawbacks of centrally planned, scarcely any of the benefits.
mircea_popescu: (on paper they should get the major benefit of blame deflection, but in practice it dun work, everyone bames washington anyway)
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 02:37:25; BingoBoingo: Well, they will probably keep humans at the cash register to provide a surface for customers to direct anger at.
mircea_popescu: also useful for forced public nudity social experiments etc.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:06:06; coderwill: Ah, thanks for the background - that's really interesting. I myself am thinking about a new project, and was wondering if in this day and age it is a disadvantage to attach a real-life identify to the Internet.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:12:24; BingoBoingo: mats: I'm still out on bond... as I have been since May 2013
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:17:35; decimation: either he was a brilliant ru spy, or he was a self-appointed reddit internet policeman
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:24:40; decimation: now, I do think usg has a real problem with its 'secret services' running amock, making a mess of things, and generally being completely untransparent to anybody
mats: nah, still dramatic.
mircea_popescu: if it came to terms with the fact that they're in charge of a population of shitheads in a poorly developed country barely hanging on to the first world, with decaying infrastructure they can't upkeep etc,
mircea_popescu: they'd prolly fade off the hate radar and we could all move on to hate putin and the chinese hydra like god meant it.
mircea_popescu: problem is that the last people who could think retired in the late 80s, and the leftover idiots will not yield until trampled. so they'll get trampled, short detour, we move on to hating ru and cn in 2030.
mircea_popescu: "The aim of this mail is to let you know that, according to default, your bank account has been put on credit hold status, and will remain so until your balance will be completely liquidated. Your attention to this matter is sorely encouraged."
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:29:11; asciilifeform: point is that 'heroes hang when traitors triumph' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: way i read this sort of stuff from you is like so : "stoicism is important for one's balance" ; "the stoic position is 'heroes hang when traitors triumph'" ergo "i will look through time and retroactively call traitors those who succeed and heros those who fail, irrespective of how derps generally fail and competent people are rarely unimpeachable, because i really have no other ways and means to maintain balance so i'
mircea_popescu: the main problem with this syllogism is, perhaps counterintuitively, its tail.
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mircea_popescu: there's plenty of gyroscopes much cheaper, faster and broadly speaking better than "reinterpret history"
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:31:00; asciilifeform: the total war against honest history is a specifically 20th c. thing (if we discount chinese and egyptian monarchs who were deeply into rewriting the books)
mircea_popescu: everyone at all points in time and space was hard at work at making it impossible to write a history he doesn't wanna hear.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:53:10; asciilifeform: coderwill: on top of the thousand and one other sins, tor linked in ssl at the height of 'heartbleed' - something which pretty much nobody is speaking of today
mircea_popescu: they're going through the good dev bad dev routine on reddit, somehow none of them seem to remember where the actual ammo is stored.
mircea_popescu: herpitty-derp and a bottle of "thank you for all your hard work".
mircea_popescu: looking forward to all the reddit threadsa going "thank you mp for bashing hearn's head right before hearn managed that one".
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assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 05:17:09; punkman: he should practice his archery on those protestors outside his office
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 09:34:04; jurov: plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published
☟︎ mircea_popescu adds "cult doesn't work" to the ever-lengthy-er list with "linux doesn't work and gcc doesn't compile" on it.
mircea_popescu: actually this may well be how to know you live at the dawn of a civilisation. shit doesn't work and you imagine this to be an exceptional, remarkable, worrisome thing.
mircea_popescu: or in other words the advantage of non-orphans is that they have parents to blame.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 12:49:57; kakobrekla: nah, the correct observation would be that religion is a virus and religious people ill.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 12:56:17; shinohai: If there *is* a God jurov, I'd like to think he chooses you, instead of vice-versa. I know all the "free will" speeches.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 13:20:01; shinohai: Not sure if my pal pussyfreak is here, but he is a Java developer. I hate Java, but I haven't tried to kill him or tell him he is going to fry if he doesn't use Python instead.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 13:32:51; kakobrekla: I think it is wrong to ban a person just because they hold different beliefs. < this doesnt make much sense , but > I think it is wrong to ban a person just because are sick. < does.
mircea_popescu: google staten island and for that matter recent suspension of flights to africa.
shinohai: I could never wrap my head around java at all.
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ben_vulpes: <trinque> boost also barfs about a number of targets, none of which seem to have mattered. << have seen, wrestled this beast, multiply
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 15:01:30; mircea_popescu: <gribble> Sent 57 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> dulap desperately needs to not be the only industrial-sized therealbitcoin node. phuctor is severely i/o starved << so help hanbot get it going.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 15:07:09; shinohai: asciilifeform: what, exactly, constitutes an industrial-sized therealbitcoin node?
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 15:47:53; mircea_popescu: les encyclopederastes were chiefly in this same business.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 15:45:57; mircea_popescu: there's plenty of gyroscopes much cheaper, faster and broadly speaking better than "reinterpret history"
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assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 15:59:14; assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 09:34:04; jurov: plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published
jurov: ascii_field: it only checks whether it has clearsigned text somewhere
trinque: decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port?
trinque: decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port?
trinque: decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port?
jurov: attachments are not filtered depending on whether they have a sig or not
trinque: decimation: I believe /dev/udp and /dev/tcp are bashisms which do not actually exist as a device node
trinque: well there you go, in triplicate
ascii_field: jurov: and it isn't true that 'no one uses' turdatron. ~i~ use.
jurov: ascii_field: yes that calls for enhancing the scrubber not for removing it as trinque said
ascii_field: i've no issue with the scrubber, only the filename mutilator
mircea_popescu: ascii_field [...] such as ? << been thinking of a usable packaging for your convenience since i said that.
mircea_popescu: jurov why the fuck would it publish anything whatsoever other than what l1 people signed is beyond me.
jurov: well, cuz it processes only one attachment at a time and i'm too lazy to redo it to consider signatures
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 13:45:16; decimation: danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? like, they know they torah and tanakh but are too cool to follow them?
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 14:06:24; asciilifeform: ^ if this is not a memory leak, then i fart toyotas.
ascii_field: (last is the one where each new block perma-swallows 300 byte of ram)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: btw, is there any reason we oughtn't shoot any tx that's hung around in mempool for more than a few days ?
mircea_popescu: i'll feel like having a lava lamp taken out of my asshole once this can finally be said. "no leaks!"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeh. they could be legit. you don't wanna assume about the pool
ascii_field: 'legit' is not a permanent citizenship in my machine ram !
ascii_field: who ever hangs for two weeks waiting for a block ?!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field thinking about this... is this the thing that already drops shit txn ?
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 14:22:33; asciilifeform: re: yesterday's thread, i'm frankly surprised that mircea_popescu ~didn't~ buy the trunk line
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 14:24:11; asciilifeform: go try and ddos a tier 1.
mircea_popescu: seems like an excellent error catcher, you wanna see if anything makes it that late.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that is, tx without an antecedent block in the machine
mircea_popescu: nono, "tx paying too little per byte compared to others we know"
ascii_field: but i'm not certain why bitcoind must be a long-term flophouse for tx that can't find a block to sit down in for weeks
ascii_field: let the fella who generated it, rebroadcast until it gets in
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 14:31:24; decimation: fine, brocade sells cer 2024f-rt for $30k
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for many reasons. such as for instance that we could see a situation where enemy controls 80% of hash and refuses to include your txn
ascii_field: but why shouldn't it wait on its owner's box ?
ascii_field: see, this is a 'fella walks in from the street and gets something for having a pulse' situation
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mircea_popescu: tx passed the test, and is now a tx. should get something for this.
danielpbarron: you'd have to keep the transaction in order to remember to not include it later
mircea_popescu: this is the required balance to this scheme. yes, we kill all idiot children without anyu regard to the ever rising blood level on the floor or the tears of their mothers.
mircea_popescu: but once they made it through that, they can have whatever they want.
ascii_field: they can't have the n bytes when my machine only has K-n to offer !
ascii_field: we have an elementary situation of not-enough-food-for-the-childrenz
mircea_popescu: which is why the idea is to have X bytes, and then allow tx in according to pay.
mircea_popescu: the problem is solved there. no point solving it n other places.
ascii_field: relay has to sit, eat the cost of existing
punkman: hope doesn't pay server bills
mircea_popescu: the only way relaying as currently deployed may survive is if it somehow ends up in a compact with mining
ascii_field: even if, on some distant tomorrow, we get this jam,
mircea_popescu: ascii_field again : we have a pool of X bytes. tx are allowed in only if they pay more than average fore that x.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this is where that problem is solved. no point also solving it somewhere else.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: does this mean that we lose half of all tx ?
danielpbarron can imagine situations in which full node operators get paid for the service of relaying -- for example, 1) end user pays node to relay his tx and 2) miner pays node to give him the choicest high-fee paying tx's exclusively
mircea_popescu: if you have 8mb and mempool is actually 8gb, you lose 99.9%
ascii_field: (at present, a node has no notion of 'full')
mircea_popescu: you set 10 bytes aside for "mempool". 1 tx comes, has 2 bytes pays 5. goes in. brings 4 brothers.
mircea_popescu: now cache is full and to get in, either pay 10 per byte or go dangle.
kakobrekla: and each node has different cache size, brings on a bunch of mess
mircea_popescu: this thing needs 3 knobs : total ram to be made available to relayer, and min $/byte to accept.
funkenstein_: so where does it go in the TX? is there an OP_ANYONE_CAN_RECEIVE or something for the relayers/mempool operators to put their addy in?
funkenstein_: or maybe best to keep the payment for those services in a separate tx
mircea_popescu: or they could just rent vpn access like anyone ever since forever.
kakobrekla: but then you need another tx to cover for that tx
danielpbarron: you tell the full node what inputs and what outputs, node says ok here's a raw tx to sign (it includes an extra output pointing at node's own addr) and now you sign and give back
mircea_popescu: why the fuck does everyone imagine the internet = the web is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: good for you. so how did they sell datafeeds ? txn blabla ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. it bears insistingly repeating : the internet is big. the web is a pustule on its ass.
ascii_field: did i miss a line in the log? where did the web thing come in
mircea_popescu: i got annoyed at the "oh noes, how could this thing that's been done since forever be done"
ShawnLeary: I'm the organizer of the Jacksonville FL Bitcoin Meetup
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funkenstein_: danielpbarron> you tell the full node what inputs and what outputs, node says ok here's a raw tx to sign (it includes an extra output pointing at node's own addr) and now you sign and give back <-- this could work
ShawnLeary: I like long walks on the beach and counterparty
danielpbarron: i don't follow the XCP scene, i just occasionally put up buy/sell orders for my asset
danielpbarron: on a related note, someone bought up all my shares and I haven't bothered to re-up yet
ShawnLeary: why would one want to own MEAT? to beat it? ;)
danielpbarron: it's backed 1:1 with 'meat' from Kingdom of Loathing
danielpbarron: not to be taken seriously -- I don't think it will be possible to keep an exchange on the blockchain if bitcoin is to have a future
ShawnLeary: this is my first day in this channel, so will do some more reading and research on it. Do you have a link to Kingdom of Loathing?
danielpbarron: but it's very interesting to me that there can be alternative tokens of exchange on the same proof-of-work
danielpbarron: we need more n00bs to gather stuff for us and to be apprentice crafters
danielpbarron: and Eulora needs no such silly currency pass-through to have access to bitcoin, as it's currency du-jour is already bitcoin
shinohai: I don't even think I own a computer capable of playing Eulora on xD
danielpbarron: i think even the most basic graphics card should work; it's not the most cutting edge stuff
danielpbarron: i used to have poor FPS but someone showed me what to comment out of a file to make all the superflous terrain decorations go away and that helped a lot
punkman: Eulora's kinda laggy for me, with ati6450 or something
trinque: ShawnLeary: best thing for you is to read the logs at log.bitcoin-assets.com; you'll find many topics you may (think you) have opinions on have already been treated there, and exceptionally well.
shinohai: Well I do on sdf, just not a lot of players anymore
danielpbarron: shinohai, funny you say that; Eulora is supposed to eventually have a MUD-style client
danielpbarron: a great deal of the gameplay is just numbers and waiting
trinque: shinohai: I wanna say I had an SDF account in high school
trinque: haven't seen that in very long
shinohai: I always liked reading, so those sorts of games can really pull me in.
punkman: (can play most games there straight in your browser)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1000 @ 0.00111 = 1.11 BTC
shinohai: I ran a little citadel server for a while, which is about as basic of BBS as I can think of.
punkman: danielpbarron: no reason to always render the whole 3d world << the 3d world serves no purpose at the moment if you ask me
ShawnLeary: I had to admit it, but as a young man I spent time on FuryMUCK
danielpbarron: punkman, you might not be wrong there.. but then again the game is so mysterious I can't say that for sure
shinohai: I don't like all the "fluff" of the interwebs as much.
danielpbarron: for example, the mechanics are so poorly spaded that we can't be sure if it's always advantageous to level up; there might be cause to intentionally stunt your growth
danielpbarron: depending on context of course (it is very advantageous to level up in the long run)
mircea_popescu: <punkman> Eulora's kinda laggy for me, with ati6450 or something << it's pretty much all due to bad opengl implementation / dubious drivers. on compliant card-driver combos you get ~1k fps if reaosnably modern.
mircea_popescu: i'm seeing 120 consistently on various 2007-2010 midmarket nvidia cards
mircea_popescu: * shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs << kol is a glorified browser mud. not horrible, i guess... /me made it for a coupla days, had enough.
shinohai: I don't see my platform listed, closest is Ubuntu
danielpbarron: not my kind of humor in the flavor text and the economy is not good enough to stick around
shinohai: Most browser MUDs I have seen require flash, which is a no-no for me.
mircea_popescu: word. exactly. there's so many silverman style dumbassery i can put up with.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> * shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs << kol is a glorified browser mud. not horrible, i guess... /me made it for a coupla days, had enough. << What class did you give a go?
mircea_popescu: pastamancer. of course. i play necros almost exclusively. since about... 9.
mircea_popescu: i was doing pretty good, apparently im immune to the negative effects of qwops
mircea_popescu: because skill kills. and so spent my time in the ravensomething library reading "you and evil things, a love story"
danielpbarron: i thought those only drop from a certain unique item but then again i haven't played in a while
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sadly necro sucked in d2, ended up forced to do a cold sorc like everyone else (that wasn't a paly). but did a witchdoctor in d3, for the... month or so that survived.
danielpbarron: yeh my main character online was a magic find barbarian
mircea_popescu: i can't believe nobody has written the epic story of the greatesrt failure in modern gaming. it's not daikatana, it's diablo 3.
danielpbarron: i've never seen a screencap from d3 let alone actually played it
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assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 12:04:00; punkman: Adlai: does the rocket fly?
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ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> ocelots. << pallas cats!
decimation: wait, I pointed out this exact situation a few weeks ago and the conclusion was 'pay relay', not 'miner pays relay'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sha256sum buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz
ben_vulpes: 4199d2baa67451752b4313dff2b5347bf07995142182af0415c5831693d89013 buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz
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ben_vulpes: sha1 matches the value in the providers sig tho
BingoBoingo: The @twobitallidiot is now all concerned abou "wealth concentration"
ascii_field: mosquitos drink blood, thieves want to steal. big fat surprise.
ben_vulpes: (in case you missed it, ascii_field, my hash of the buildroot tar doesn't match yours)
ben_vulpes: gpg: Signature made Sun 31 May 2015 09:29:39 PM UTC using DSA key ID 59C36319
☟︎ trinque calls back the shitgnominators
shinohai: ;;later tell thestringpuller please message me if you are still working on Debian Eulora plox, thx.
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mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> for example, the mechanics are so poorly spaded that << re that "spaded", just you wait until you discover it's actually a noncomputable multivariate which doesn't even allow stable solutions in the real space.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo teh people whom nobody asked anything wondering about questions! it's a festival!
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> The @twobitallidiot is now all concerned abou "wealth concentration" <<< in normal terms, "wealth concentration" means "power centers that are not alligned with usg".
BingoBoingo: Eh, it's too good for me to not have started putting together a qntra after runimating on it for a bit.
shinohai: Some of the dependencies are different for me, but I think I got it, mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It really brings the whole shitgnome scheme together, even though the Selkis kid isn't even gnome enough to be a shitgnome himself
mircea_popescu: yak, you know. anything can be yakked, and thus therfore on a long enough timeline with enough monkeys at keyboards, everything will be yakked.
erg_: looking for the intelligent voices in Bitcoin
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shinohai: I made the point about monkeys and keyboards in a similar fashion a few days ago.
shinohai: Although in a self-deprecating manner.
shinohai: I'll be on the lookout for her to arrive by post. ;)
erg_: She looks too satisfied and too clothed
mircea_popescu reminds slavegirl to buy toaster so ethereum toasterworld takeover may proceed unhampered.
trinque: "without any possibility of downtime" what the fuck is this shit
trinque: nevermind, I don't even want to bother.
erg_: What is the consensus here as to how Bitcoin evolves?? It occurs to me these debates about the software become less relevant in the future
shinohai: Welp, add that to mah bucket list - fuck with Ethereum and their uptime.
trinque: holy crap, they're trying to build in an end user programming thing
mircea_popescu: trinque you just don't understand how marketing claims work.
shinohai: If I have learned anything from #bitcoin-assets, it's that I can break shit.
erg_: reading some now - am new
trinque: mircea_popescu: I mean that glass pyramid is cool, I guess
shinohai: There we go letting mircea_popescu read from the Necronomicon again.
mircea_popescu: trinque you old enough to remember when neobee took over cypruss or notrly ?
trinque: I vaguely recall them being some scam or another
mircea_popescu: too bad one can't take a snapshot of "the consensus" of webidiots.
trinque: I personally committed this end user programming fail at my last job
trinque: the idea that you can just you know, "unlock" the "creativity" of a randomly selected bovine if the UI's "intuitive" enough
trinque: wasn't my idea, but I bought in for sure
trinque: ben_vulpes: your grandmother doesn't want to write her own to-do app?
mircea_popescu: trinque was the original nonsense answer to the question of the web. "oh, UGC will fill the holes! all we have to do is throw some widgets together and this torrent of FREE!!11 creativity, valuable unfiltered, will wash us all the way to the bank"
mircea_popescu: that these twerps are still suckling that old goat in 2015...
trinque: yep, this was the sad aftershock of that
ben_vulpes is stuck maintaining the sad remnants of a UGC application
ben_vulpes: it's useful for that narrow slice of people who find it useful.
mircea_popescu: what if we made a website that was a marketplace for songs people wrote!
mircea_popescu: thanks for the brainstorming guise, i think we created a lot of value. off to put another starbux coffee on this credit card someone mailed me for some reason.
trinque: brutal. my early 20s weep in pain
ben_vulpes: no no the ui expert tells me that affordances are what you call things
trinque: ben_vulpes: imma need 3k for this moonscript conference I'm going to, kthx
mircea_popescu: isn't that making the twerp into way too much ? what's next, "donald trump tips illuminati agenda for toupes" ?
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ben_vulpes: trinque: request approved, will reimburse once you close a deal worth 6k from conference generated leads
mircea_popescu: "When America finally gets to the point when she legalizes prostitution, as she already has legalized homosexuality, she will be at the point when God will execute His judgment upon her, I.e., Death. In Seminar #2, we demonstrate to you that we believe the "Economic Babylon" in Revelation 18 is the United States of America. Read this chapter with this thought in mind, and shudder at the physical destruction God may hav
☟︎ ben_vulpes: why the hell else is he going to a moonscript conference but to drum up more "fix my busted ass js" work?
trinque: you're not nurturing my growth!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> isn't that making the twerp into way too much ? what's next, "donald trump tips illuminati agenda for toupes" ? << Kinda made himself too much after Gox. Twas bullet 1. This bullet 2.
trinque: mircea_popescu: shit no! I belong in the code dungeon
mircea_popescu: i still don't know what is he supposed to have done. rewrite trilema, badly, spend all day on twitter, try to come up with stuff on his own, made fool of self 3x, 5x, i forget. what's he notable for ?
mircea_popescu: at least that tv dude without a station is a fag. what's this guy got ?
mircea_popescu: trinque your joke application was denied. i will proceed to take the aforementioned seriously.
BingoBoingo: Basically all that. Mostly nothing. He apparently though is embeded in with the New York bitcoin theater.
mircea_popescu: well hopefully he gets 2mn to best practices bitcoin or something.
ben_vulpes: next week: "hey trinque how's lunascript.butts?"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, i'll believe him once he turns it in over 9k lulz.
ben_vulpes: trinque: where's your expense report for these 9k in lulz?
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 21:12:51; mircea_popescu: "When America finally gets to the point when she legalizes prostitution, as she already has legalized homosexuality, she will be at the point when God will execute His judgment upon her, I.e., Death. In Seminar #2, we demonstrate to you that we believe the "Economic Babylon" in Revelation 18 is the United States of America. Read this chapter with this thought in mind, and shudder at the physical dest
BingoBoingo: It seems like that's the sort of deal he has. Some fiaters pay him to run a fan club, he tries to "influence agent"
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they must be some choice derps, he's less effectual even than that southern republican lobby chick with a funny name.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "But he went to a good school" - Famous last words, as far as I can tell also their Derp selection criteria. Best to head him off when he's weak least he Hearniate to a lager size
trinque: ben_vulpes: yeah sorry, I realized moonscript was going to cause me to think too much, so I'm working on a new type system for Fey which will somehow hide the fact that I'm still using JS in a browser
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone familiar with the personal history of one rachel uchitel ? some choice lulz there.
trinque: ben_vulpes: any chance we can slip the release date til never?
mircea_popescu: (ex hooker, applied for a private eye license, stuff like that. almost like an action movie plot irl)
ben_vulpes: i'm locking you in the code hole until its done
ben_vulpes: or until i find your dessicated corpse
shinohai: I'm on religious high alert today, sorry
mircea_popescu: "Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew was a reality television show that aired on the cable network VH1 which chronicles a group of people as they are treated for alcohol and drug addiction by Dr. Drew Pinsky and his staff at the Pasadena Recovery Center in Pasadena, California. [...] In May 2013, Pinsky announced that season six was the final season, explaining that he was tired of the criticism leveled at him after celebrit
mircea_popescu: the many shades, the many sides, the many meanings of "treatment"
mircea_popescu: and this unfair criticism which quashes the creativity of quacks!
mircea_popescu: the world won't be a better place until we put an end to all this bullying, and global warming.
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trinque: in the "hey dude, smell this" kind of way
trinque: train-wreck porn; I had many a lol
trinque: ambassador of awesomeness, dear god
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 19:15:20; mircea_popescu: i would propose to you that's an excellent definition of a country : that place where young adults know who they are.
shinohai: I have women visit me, i detest going out to them.
assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 02:49:04; trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit
trinque: this problem of the language meaning not-one-damn-thing explains a great deal to me
trinque: I do wonder if anybody ever had words for the innermost stuff, or not
mircea_popescu: just because you were stuck on windows web framework for a while means jack in the grand order.
shinohai: "Primero hay que saber sufrir, despues amar, despues partir; y luego andar sin pensamiento."
mircea_popescu: women don't care about being insulted by people they like.
mircea_popescu: "Listen to old Gloria. The greater the sacrifice you ask a woman to make, the more she knows you love her. Honestly."
mircea_popescu: species would be in one helluva predicament if they did care. kids get pretty fucking insulting.
ben_vulpes: heh mostly in the sense of "i can't believe that you came out of me, idiot"
ben_vulpes: it's not so bad though! just mean reversion in your face.
trinque: ben_vulpes: you must've behaved yourself :D
ben_vulpes: parents were just barely smart enough to know to not tell me what to do
ben_vulpes: i was just barely smart enough to break all of the rules without ever telling anyone
mircea_popescu: prolly never as much as set fire to the very boat keeping him afloat a glacier lake or anything
mircea_popescu: in other news from hell, these fucktards actually put guar gum in CREAM
trinque: yeah, I was brazen enough to push, got corrected in kind, did me some good
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00052949 = 7.6776 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: trinque: make any progress through keene yet?
trinque: just ch1, plan to hit that more this eve
ben_vulpes: define methods that run after other methods
trinque: sort of pre-post guard stuff?
ben_vulpes: (defmethod (setf side-a) :after ... ) runs after someone calls (setf (side-a instance-of-triangle-class))
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 20:59:09; pete_dushenski: eth up a solid 20x over ipo price for those (like saifedean) who threw a couple bucks at it and are ready to cash the fuck out.
hanbot: ascii_field hanbot, what are the remaining issues? << rotor.sh sez:
http://thewhet.net/han/rotorfail.txt (no patches) meanwhile mod6 has made progress on RI on ubuntu so still working on "manual" stator build.
☟︎ trinque: ben_vulpes: actually I'm growing convinced it's the rich man's
trinque: I can see all manner of places I can transplant db patterns into CLOS
trinque: slot accessors being one of them
trinque: "this shall have a goddamn foo"
trinque: "this shall have n goddamn foos"
ben_vulpes: i'm not quite certain how persistence is supposed to work in the absence of an external database, and over restarts/redeploys.
ben_vulpes: i understand s-l-a-d, but not necesarily how to persist in-memory data structures over the running of a new system.
trinque: dunno that it can, but perhaps it amounts to the "table scan" step of the query pipeline
trinque: everything else being in your program proper
ben_vulpes: perhaps old system serializes its memory to disk before shutdown?
trinque: this is where I'd want to transactionally snapshot rather than -and-die
trinque: the shuffling of objects looks a lot like mmap, I'd bet
trinque: I'm not clear on the interaction between long term storage and runtime just yet
trinque: but surely it was treated in the golden age
gernika: Can someone point me to the guide for installing gentoo properly for foundation purposes? Following the default guide and it's got steps for setting up systemd, which clearly I don't want.
ben_vulpes: and i'm not quite sure what the "select * from Y" equivalent in a cl proggie would be
trinque: ben_vulpes: perhaps CLOS calls for a greater distinction between your base facts and derived facts
trinque: that is a question of mine as well, though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00051121 = 9.2018 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: what I mean is, say you want to work on n slots, perhaps you just bail to regular CL data structures from there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00052949 = 8.6307 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Come on scoopy, what does the Friday newsdump have in store for us.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 02:37:25; BingoBoingo: Well, they will probably keep humans at the cash register to provide a surface for customers to direct anger at.
trinque: cazalla: that's going to be the ass end of asciilifeform's coke machine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00052949 = 5.9568 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: cazalla: They throw that image around to hide the truth. No one "flips" burgers there anymore.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32367 @ 0.00052769 = 17.0797 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00052949 = 8.1806 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00052516 = 3.8074 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00053216 = 9.4458 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: asciilifeform: I did, thank you sir
trinque: and I meant to attach the thing, but apparently need to lern2emacs
trinque: so if that thing's suitable, great, otherwise I'll send it again
mod6: yeah. the patch itself is mundged when sent like that because gnupg tries to escape hyphens; which is why "- ---" and "- -../dist/configure ..." happens.
phf: <trinque> save-lisp-and-carry-on! << this is handled with a posix fork. also lets you do any sort of cleanup in child before dump, like closing socket connections and such.
mircea_popescu: so they don't actually have the product but are releasing a hype condenser ?
mircea_popescu: possibly the most batshit insane thing about france today is that you go to jail for having one done ABROAD.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's exactly what it is. a milder version of chinese foot binding.
BingoBoingo: Oh and a qntra post just fell out of reddit completely this time.
mircea_popescu: anyway, whole french state can go hang. nobody has any right to be forgotten as long as i fucking live. for any reason under any circumstances in any context.
mircea_popescu: i live to make whatever selection of inconvenient facts about the living and the dead a huge pain in their ass.
shinohai: iirc, didn't mircea_popescu tip 4 tits one time?
shinohai: I swore I remember a trilema article where you paid chicks 0.5 to show tits in here.
shinohai: Why yes, that is the one. That means I am not quite as inebriated as I thought.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, no, i think someone else just created a knock off to skim a little more cream off the top ..
https://www.ethercoin.cc/ (regged august last year) that is the coin pete linked anyway, not legit scam eth