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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell wywialm how does the gpg system integrate with the browser application?
ben_vulpes: users derp their keys into localstorage?
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ag3nt_zer0: ben_vulpes yes naiveté thanks ... i'll have to tell you my spelling bee story later heh
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phf: ben_vulpes: so it looks from the log like it's still picking up bullet from somewhere. i updated the repo, so now there's an explicit --without-bullet in the script, if you do brew update and rerun. i tested it by installing bullet and then doing a cs build
phf: come to think of it i should probably test that it fails without the flag but with bullet present. i'll spin that up now..
phf: ben_vulpes: wait, can you please check your log bundle. i'm getting diff identical folders from the first one i get and the updated one
ben_vulpes: 33ff9cc085cfca6fa92443a0a17ef3dd7fe54765b6886b936d8955446f85a63e85298f79cd189345ebb54622084c5c414b68aba260e61c1ef22abebd8ed3ca82 << 512 of the recent logs
ben_vulpes: which does *not* match the one currently on my site.
ben_vulpes: aha, yes, i know precisely how i hosed this
phf: ben_vulpes: it's missing cs-debug.log
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phf: ok, bunch of annoyances, but all look like 1 point issues.
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assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 19:37:33; mod6: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: rotor built successfully.
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assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 22:01:36; mircea_popescu: you took your life in your hands. if some guy with more men and a whip felt like it... you were meat.
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phf: ag3nt_zer0: raw didn't pen principia, that's just a persistent misconception, in FACT it was revealed to trinque in its complete form by the divine mother HERSELF (hail eris!) during some of his particularly strong ACID trips (10 strip, they said it was weak, so he took 6, damn, man, i'm seeing things ain't even come up yet), at which point he traveled back in TIME to spread the good word to the honest people of california. this and much mo
phf: re was explained in grant morrison's INVISIBLES series. get your facts, straight son, straight from the source. fnord.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i know you wrote rotor for a reason, of this there is little doubt, but believe it or not, your instructions aren't dumbed down enough for me
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mod6: Let me dig something up for you here quick.
mod6: Right, should be trying to bulid the Rotor, really.
mod6: However, I have seen that on Ubuntu & Debian if you build boost without libboost-python-dev boost will complain -- it will still compile, but it'll complain. it complains less with the python errors if it has that and the libbost-python-dev dependentcies installed.
mod6: im mis remembering that from v0.5.3.1
mod6: pete_dushenski: don't bother with the testing for TEST2 (or anyone else), just work for now on building rotor.
mod6: I appreciate you trying to build it.
mod6: I can not wait until we get past all of this.
ag3nt_zer0: phf: hahaha was that really in the INVISIBLES?
mod6: asciilifeform: so, what my goal is, short term, is to produce a bundle that (similar to TEST2) is patched up through -verifyall that we can drop into the rotor, and use that for testing next.
ag3nt_zer0: I never looked at that comic... I saw Morrison speak and thought he was weird haha
mod6: yeah. but your bundle doesn't have the right directory structure, and doesn't really have a patching trail or anything.
mod6: so i don't wanna seem like im replicating work; just trying to clean it up a bit.
ag3nt_zer0: i mean I get the whole thing he was on about but he was seemd stragley excited haha
mod6: it has to be downloaded seperately. thats fine. i did this today.
mod6: was thinking that next I'll work on a patched bundle up through -verify all with rotor. and then work ourselves up to a place where we feel comfortable.
mod6: do you think we should even bother with block dump/eat, -verify all?
mod6: so it wouldnt be a waste of my time to proceed in that direction?
☟︎ ag3nt_zer0: phf: still lolzing haha thx fnord! fucking california haha
mod6: ok. that's my next basic goal. build a patched bundle up through verify-all with rotor.
mod6: once we have that, and a new patch from trinque, i can complete my script and have a rotor that builds these test bundles with x86-64
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mod6: was nice to see rotor build cleanly today btw.
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mod6: was a gentoo/glibc environement -- compiled buildroot with the musl settings. didn't change anything to the "rotor" steps execept for adding the change to BDB configure options in trinque's message.
mod6: yah, I left him a note to re-send a patch with a detached sig to the ML. can help or do it for him if required, etc.
phf: ag3nt_zer0: inivisibles is like a popcorn pulp version of pkd, illuminatus and magick. it's a fun read when you're 24, but definitely worth a read through if you're into that sort of stuff
ag3nt_zer0: it's no secret that california shares a magickal connection based on the law of correspondences to the Hindu goddess of destruction and the final age of dissolution, Kali... nor is it coincidence that the sun sets on the western world in KaliforniCaitlynJender - Bernardino porno bender blender
ag3nt_zer0: phf: i dunno; after he said he wrote his own reality and as he was writing the things he was writing were coming true I figured the comic couldnt be better than that...
phf: i only vaguely remember that talk, because i listened to it under the influence, and at some point i was convinced that i could perform magical rituals, and the only thing keeping me from fundamentally affecting reality was years of societal conditioning that i could at the time overcome. i think i was also at some point convinced that bush was a great grandson of aliester crowley by way of pauline pierce, and that he's going to bring about
phf: the appocalypse. the details are a bit hazy
ag3nt_zer0: yeah... you ever look into the jack parsons/crowley/hubbard threesome?
ag3nt_zer0: pretty weird considering what hubbard went on to do
phf: i'm sure hubbard just lifted whatever he could from his time at the agape lodge
phf: parsons is quite a character, there's a nice writeup about him and the whole crowley/hubbard connection in "apocalypse culture"
phf: though i'm not sure how much i want to put to public record on this subject. i made some interesting friends when i moved to this country, unfortunately this whole culture seemed to have died out. even when i was enjoying it, it was mostly archival work
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hanbot: n6: get in the wot, don't pester people via pm, and forget about any braindamaged notions of "lobbying MP" you've cooked up for yourself.
onlooker: hi there, would you like to share your thoughts on copyright? I've only come across your writings today and found them most entertaining.
mircea_popescu: iirc lost it all in a dubious las vegas casinos transaction with fucking merv griffin.
trinque: mircea_popescu: one thing occured to me this evening re: trump. he's telling the other people running to their faces that he's bought and paid for all of them in the past.
trinque: mod6: putting that email together
n6: hanbot: sorry I lost my key(Not a person), still trying to fix my lsub issue on gentoo before I make a new one.
onlooker: lol, well thats no surprise, governments specialize in making simple things complicated
mircea_popescu: it's not really true. man's no rockerfeller. son of a middling queens landlord is all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ever been privy to something on the understanding you won't be sharing it ?
mircea_popescu: do you propose to do away with the POSSIBLITY of that understanding ?
mircea_popescu: as usual, consumers have no business in any of the places they stuff themselve.s
onlooker: I don't think copyright is the same thing as keeping a secret, if you keep a secret and you keep it well then you don't need copyright
hanbot: n6 alright, so then make that your top priority.
onlooker: if you fail to keep a secret they you have two choices, you can blame yourself for not keeping it well, or you can blame me and try to enforce copyright
mircea_popescu: don't be coming to me to relieve you of oaths you took on the theory that you shouldn't have and if you were a better man you wouldn't have.
n6: hanbot: thanks I will get on that right now.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 22:47:43; ag3nt_zer0: something about the jesus would have been a socialist shit
onlooker: mircea popescu, you don't need to have an opinion about the color of you shit either lol...
n6: trinque, asciilifeform: Would you be able to point me to a place where I can learn how to build lsub on my mac then put it on a usb drive and move it to gentoo so I can get wireless working and make a key?
mircea_popescu: consider the controlling case, as i opposed it to diametric s question back in the day. so quentin tarantino comes in here all upsed about you copying his latest movie. what do i say, "fuck off qt, if you made a movie you didn'ty make that movie" ?
☟︎ trinque: n6: I'm making a script that puts gentoo on a stick, or any block device really
mircea_popescu: (ftr, the arms smuggle thing did happen. almost quite to syria. for 10 points, name the famous french poet who did this in his teens)
onlooker: I asked if you had an opinion, from the perspective of someone who seems intelligent and uses bigger words than me. I appreciate you taking the time to reply at all, I don't mind if you have no opinion, just I hoped you would see copyright as the elitists use to tell poor people they are not allowed to think
n6: trinque: how would that help me? can I build it from the source already on the pc?
onlooker: *as something the elitests use..."
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mircea_popescu: doesn't seem he knows how this self study thing works, hm ?
n6: asciilifeform: Yes I understand that and its awful to read for everyone else. sorry
n6: mircea_popescu: how can you self study if you don't even know what to look for?
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 22:53:48; ag3nt_zer0: i did that damn "visualize a quarter" experiment for a couple weeks and whne i finally found one, it was glued to the pavement
onlooker: mircea popescu, yes, but you appear to be of the more logical bent than the standard elitist. Take for example your claim the paying for good things is how we get good things, this may be logical, but in fact the way the world currently works stealing good things has proven to be far more effective, Bankers are elitist too, would you put yourself in the same category as them?
mircea_popescu: onlooker i am de facto a banker, but i doubt the term has any substantial meaning to you past "those meanie assholes that make the house i want cost more than i can afford".
mircea_popescu: the argument re stealing is actually ancient. it was articulated by the pillars of roman thought, of all people.
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assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 03:17:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i didn't know any better, i'd imagine we went to uni together. we had 'the same' chick! she bedeviled our number theory prof with at least a hundred very boneheaded questions every lecture. he seethed, boiled, but couldn't throw her out. why? 'registered special needs.' (going for math degree!) she even got unlimited time on exams.
mircea_popescu: eh, i just had the peanut chicken you perhaps remember, and then went for the nude entertainment thing. hard to bother me for a while.
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mircea_popescu: i'll tell you waht it is. i get to sometimes beat the everliving shit out of the students.
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onlooker: mircea popescu, exactly and I wouldn't put you in the same category either despite your claim that you are a defacto banker. Anyway, I won't pay for your work, despite admiring your lovely way with language. I just feel that the one thing you miss is that you are not the only one able to come up with genius. Did one person invent the light globe? Copyright seems to say yes, but then the history of the victors is nothing new
mircea_popescu: in this view the nsa spying is more a required public service, like emergency health care.
onlooker: at least Bitcoin is giving a larger voice to some
mod6: trinque: sig verifies & patch applies cleanly. thx again.
onlooker: mircea, if you are distinguishing between copyright and patents it seems a petty distinction to me. I put them in the same category, both intend to punish people for copying thoughts and ideas
mircea_popescu: onlooker one attaches to form, the other attaches to concept. this is a fundamental distinction in any case. see the earlier thread re lost 1800 tech know-how, and the russian z80s.
onlooker: askiilifeform, perhaps I should say math is giving voice to the poor, because it doesn't distinguish my data from yours
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 23:32:08; mats: bet it's delicious with soy sauce and ginger
onlooker: it only distinguishes correct data from incorrect
mircea_popescu: especially with no copyright. they just get cut out of the loop entirely.
mircea_popescu: me and five people will see the cannes films and poor people can watch reruns of "best ads of superbowl" over at denny's.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: what textbooks ? there are no textbooks because why sell shit for 10 dollars
mircea_popescu: which strictly exists because of the whole IP convention.
onlooker: I have a son, he's 9 months old, I have to change his nappy, he doesn't respect math, time, copyright or patent. He's poor. My nephew is 12, he has no money of his own, but he has a computer, mines his own coins, and although they are not worth much, he's able to participate, He can't participate in Banking, he's not even allowed to use his own account
☟︎ onlooker: who are the vast majority of the poor? well, I would argue that those under 15 in the USSA have the biggest skin in the economic game despite being currently mostly excluded from it lol... Crypto could/may change that
mircea_popescu: turns out a bunch of pakis trafficked white girls as young as 12 by the thousands, for the reason of being white. which was concealed by the brits.
mircea_popescu: if it was i missed it. but really, 20 years, 1-2k girls, this broadly speaking is on par with the results of the serbs.
onlooker: mircea popescu, ask yourself this, would bitcoin work without copyright, if the answer is yes, then it's not a requirement for ideas to be shared while keeping an ownership record
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assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 05:23:00; mircea_popescu: me and five people will see the cannes films and poor people can watch reruns of "best ads of superbowl" over at denny's.
mircea_popescu: onlooker understand something : you got no leg into the world of ideas. i'm simply not sharing. copyright is there to give you a (slight) chance, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform earlier at restaurant i gestured for whatever small thing, girl ran off to do, whole tableful of idiotic argentine she-derps sat agape.
onlooker: let me try another angle, would bitcoin work if it wasn't copyrighted? And if the answer is yes, does it follow that this means we can share ideas while keeping a record of who owns what without requiring this antiquated legal system?
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mircea_popescu: onlooker i don't think the antiquated legal system being retained was at any point contemplated.
mircea_popescu: there's articles about this on trilema, you'll get to them in due time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform words do not speak as loudly as actions!
onlooker: so you don't think copyright, patent's or the legal system are antiquated?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mayhap you have the upper hand with that yeah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i know where he's coming from. but what do you want me to say.
mircea_popescu: the horse's still not slow just because all these donkeys
mircea_popescu remembers in horror the one and only boston symphonic orchestra session he went to
mircea_popescu: they played some modern shit. fucking insult to civilisation.
onlooker: I just feel that if we actually shared ideas instead of hiding them from one another the world would be a smarter place. I realise the thinking required to get from here to there is a gargantuan leap
onlooker: ah, they are old idea lol... they are a good start no doubt, but it's not really my point. Anyway I don't expect the world to see things as I do, if everyone agreed with me I'd be worried anyway lol
mircea_popescu: onlooker you're missing the part where i'm not sharing ideas with you. because who are you.
mircea_popescu: without copyrights, intellectual ghetto is a certainty.
mircea_popescu: with copyrights, intellectual ghetto is merely an unfortunate side effect.
onlooker: asciilifeform thanks for asking, I guess a lot of the ideas I'm interested in homeopathic and medical stuff. There's a lot of "cures" out there, and so much of it is behind paywalls. I don't really have a plan for how to change it, I just expect it change for the same reason I expect the money to end.
mircea_popescu: in any case, there's no rescuing the poor (and it's a morally dubious proposition to even try). let instead those of the poor that are there undeservedly claw their way out. over many generations of belaboured effort, ideally.
mats: wat, homeopathic medicine
mircea_popescu: wait. someone seriously imagines they're missing something by not reading random homeopatic tracts ?
onlooker: because despite excellent job adults have done conditioning young people to be slaves, there are some who just won't submit
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onlooker: mircea popescu they will only be the cheapest if you stop asking lol
onlooker: old enough to remember when the POTUS was admired as the leader of the free world, and young enough to hope I live to see the last POTUS haha
mircea_popescu: well because for a moment the slave thing and a previous comment sort-of made it look possible that you were 15
onlooker: mircea popescu, "the poor" is arbitrary anyway, I'm not suggested they even need rescuing rather they the playing field will be leveled whether the rich or elites help them or not
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 03:20:47; asciilifeform: i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator.
mircea_popescu: onlooker nah, the pendulum is swinging the other way. the poor had it way better than anyone would have expected, after the ww2 carnage. it is going away, it is perhaps never coming back to this degree.
onlooker: I wouldn't even try to argue morality, math is the only morality I respect, if you can call it that
mircea_popescu: expect a millenium of actual slavery for the plebs and not be disappointed by the events.
mircea_popescu: you know what's also fascinating in the same vein asciilifeform ? not everyone's courting the most beautiful girl in town! in a frictionless infospace they would! nevertheless...
onlooker: I said I had a son, anyway 15 hey, I guess my grammar and smaller vocab could be an excuse to think that
mircea_popescu: srsly, you need what, 15 minutes of her time tops ? she's got the whole day.
mircea_popescu: onlooker how did you get the idea homeopathy does something, anyway ?
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 03:41:54; pete_dushenski: being a lab rat isn't world's worst job after all
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 03:47:30; mod6: so it wouldnt be a waste of my time to proceed in that direction?
onlooker: mircea, homeopathy is practiced by a wide variety and includes a vast array of alternative medicine, I'm not suggesting it all works or doesn't. I'm just pointing out that it's difficult to investigate alternative claims when I have to hack around paywalls that I don't respect
mircea_popescu: i thought homeopathy was that thing where diluting things makes them work.
mircea_popescu: this idea seems to be borne by your talk of vast arrays ?
onlooker: mirciea popescu, now your making fun of me lol
onlooker: perhaps I should have made it more vague and said "alternative medicine"
mircea_popescu: i was actually earnest. but anyway, yes, say alternative medicine, get fewer people in wtf state.
ben_vulpes: <phf> re was explained in grant morrison's INVISIBLES series. get your facts, straight son, straight from the source. fnord. << i think there are characters missing from this line but i can't tell
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator. << adoption takes a few weeks, have you seen the android numbers?
ben_vulpes: unless you're apple and can forcibly cram your changes down the world's throat, you have to wait for the world to catch up to your releases.
onlooker: Ok so alternative medicine, homeopaths are where generally recognised as doctors prior to the AMA and big pharmas takeover of american medicine. If I'm telling you something you don't know I'll feel special :)
trinque: lots of people were wrongly recognized as all kinds of things in the past.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and what happened with that db locks patch of yours
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose this is when we say that the log is both free and good reading and call it a day.
ben_vulpes: patches and submissions to the ml must stand on their own.
mircea_popescu: we should be in a syncronised swimming team ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: "corrected" with no further context is useless.
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ben_vulpes: somewhere between s.nsa poems and zilc h in email body is some utility i'm sure
ben_vulpes: oh i'm aware, have written at least one taludic entry
ben_vulpes: anyways, do you insist on refusing to see the hysteresis in the system?
phf: ben_vulpes: i have fresh formulas for the brew. also i've verified that eulora indeed builds with gcc-4.9
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: "copy my rotor_buildroot_dot_config to the now-untarred buildroot dir as '.config'" << speaking of which, i seem to be snagged up here. can't find 'rotor_buildroot_dot_config'
Guest96371: Sounds like fun! Just figured I would tune in and see if anyone had anything interesting to say!
ben_vulpes: do forgive my frustrated prodding, asciilifeform.
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ben_vulpes: phf: Error: No such file or directory - getcwd
ben_vulpes: clearly i don't understand how the world werkz
ben_vulpes to good old fashioned entertainment with girl
phf: i'm pretty sure once i manage to build eulora on someone else's machine i'm just going to retire from computing altogether
☟︎ Guest96371: Thanks pete_dushenski I'll have a look :)
cazalla:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231871 <<< what is with (i assume) americans and no banking under 18? one of the first things we did at school was open a junior saver account whereby each friday the local banker rep would come by to collect our bank books and our $2 deposit each week, every week, each year without fail
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 05:25:46; onlooker: I have a son, he's 9 months old, I have to change his nappy, he doesn't respect math, time, copyright or patent. He's poor. My nephew is 12, he has no money of his own, but he has a computer, mines his own coins, and although they are not worth much, he's able to participate, He can't participate in Banking, he's not even allowed to use his own account
pete_dushenski: Guest96371: btw where's your pgp key this fine evening ? y'know you can auth and self-voice with assbot eh
Guest96371: I did, but I was just checking in. I'm heading offline now!
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pete_dushenski: i'm probably doing something hilariously wrong, however.
assbot: Ransomware virus: Australians forced to pay as latest encryption virus is 'unbreakable', security expert says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... (
http://bit.ly/1hr8BZD )
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 04:57:03; mircea_popescu: consider the controlling case, as i opposed it to diametric s question back in the day. so quentin tarantino comes in here all upsed about you copying his latest movie. what do i say, "fuck off qt, if you made a movie you didn'ty make that movie" ?
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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform the only other modification i made was choosing 'target architecture : x86_64' in the config menu.
pete_dushenski wonders if it matters that 'builtroot' has 'configs', 'Config.in', 'Config.in.legacy', and stan's 'config' file. seems like a lot of configs, but what does he know ?
punkman: pete_dushenski: did you install rsync?
punkman: fukken locales, I hate them
pete_dushenski: just installed 'unzip' and 'bc', now "You need at least one UTF8 locale to build a toolchain supporting locales "
punkman: pete_dushenski: perhaps locale-gen will help
pete_dushenski: weird, i tried 'locale-gen' and it came back with 'generation complete', then threw the same error when i tried to 'make' again
pete_dushenski: sweet baby moses i set the locales and the thing's off to the races !!!1
pete_dushenski: "Though the Trump show and the Daily Show both present populist, anti-establishment points of view, their use of entertainment provides a way to actually reinforcere the political and economic power of the establishment that both regularly admonish."
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pete_dushenski just noticed asciilifeform's 'if you are having locale issues' note on 'rotor' buildsheet
punkman: pete_dushenski: consider this "gcc, toolchain, etc. will LOAD FROM THE NET!" since you seem to be running it as root
pete_dushenski: hm now it's tell me it can't cd to bitcoin/bitcoin/src and i'm running out of steam this evening.
punkman: open rotor.sh, look at the filepaths
pete_dushenski: i'm about as n00bing as they come around here and i still feel like i'm shockingly, wonderfully close to making rotor work
punkman: just gotta change line 49 "cd bitcoin/bitcoin/src;" to something that works
punkman: and you can run rotor_bitcoin_only.sh now
punkman: although there's that gcc failure on bzip, might be a problem
pete_dushenski: punkman: what would be 'something that works' for line 49 of rotor.sh ?
punkman: pete_dushenski: absolute path would probably work
punkman: (if you use bitcoin_only.sh gotta change it there too)
pete_dushenski: i think this project can wait to be continued tomorrow.
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punkman: why is it looking for bzip? it's supposed to be toggled by "./bjam toolset=gcc link=static -sNO_BZIP2=1 -sNO_ZLIB=1 -sNO_COMPRESSION=1;"
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wywialm: ben_vulpes, the application is currently a standalone python app, not a web browser app. We are working on a convenient in-browser app that would work with PGP
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punkman: wywialm: are you planning to use openpgp.js?
wywialm: considering it, but sane in-browser pgp is not straightforward
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 17:36:20; phf: i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no, there was a group of girls that acted like normal human beings, coy and playful and active. turned out they were slovenian
wywialm: punkman, is there something that i should be aware of in case of openpgp.js? is it flawed?
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assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 19:56:48; punkman: PSA: openpgpjs is broken
wywialm: thanks for the info, could you point to more details?
punkman: well dunno might appear to be working now, but I've tried validation openpgp.js signatures from 3 people and all failed
shinohai: Javascript cryptography is a big no-no anyway
wywialm: well, this is one of reasons we now have only a desktop app
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 264.26, Best ask: 264.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 264.26, 24 hour volume: 44712.31461482, 24 hour low: 260.62, 24 hour high: 278.35, 24 hour vwap: None
punkman: Available Supply 60,393,161 Total Supply 72,294,645 ETH
shinohai: If you want to be an Ethereum god, nows yer chance.
shinohai: lol ... "Your ticket to the moon"
shinohai: Sound like just another MLM scam to me.
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shinohai: imma request alpha access to see if I can break it.
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mircea_popescu: some people, for reasons nobody really grasps in spite of trying for millenia (yes, it's a thing since forever) and in spite of having maybe some decent theories, want to fuck twelve year olds.
mircea_popescu: the white people who want this generally sit around the internet "being cypherpunks" and exchanging... depictions of the act. and often enough being "caught" and "prosecuted", on the very untenable rationale that their engagement in the victimless "crime" of exchanging bits somehow promotes and empowers the actual people doing the actual crime of you know, raping preteens.
mircea_popescu: we don't really know what the paki people who want this do, chiefly because we don't want to. but if we do : in pakistan, they go right the fuck ahead and rape the lot. and in rotherdam, england, they do the exact same.
mircea_popescu: this is the whole thing. what'd you tell a guy who wants to rape twelve year olds ? that it's bad ? he did not ask you that. and you can tell him to you know, wait around on social media untill the cute teenie across the street douses herself in gasoline and invites him over.
mircea_popescu: the alternative, where he texts a chick "hey, we got our sister, we're torturing her, come join" just as the chick in question was giving testimony to the supposed government of the uk - a more illegitimate contrivance never having been known to man, incidentally, they have all the legitimacy to govern kim jong il's favourite dog does.
mircea_popescu: offered the simple choice of A. stick with the alleged representatives of the schmucks that trade pictures of your rape and jack off in "online anonymity" and joining the raping party, she chooses to join the raping party.
mircea_popescu: that's the discussion. there is not now, nor was ever, nor will ever be invented a manner, stratagem or device to circumvent activity, or to make the passive on par with the active.
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mircea_popescu: the entire fancy with western society and emancipation and freedom and have you rests on the reserve, no matter how muted, that "it's either this or we rape you". it needs to sit there like the nuclear option needs to sit on the table, for once it goes away, twelve fucking year olds choose, of their own fucking free will, to join the pakis for an all night / all weekend / all the years to come anal stretching, caned bu
mircea_popescu: ttocks and generally bloodied existence. that's how her choice plays out, and in her age and in her anonimity i believe she stands representative.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the fucking ~times~ has to do its own investigation because the reps of the crown are completely lost in their pipe dreams to the point they're covering themselves in the mud of publicly ridicule eagery and with both hands.
mircea_popescu: the fucking township in question has to pay independent experts to come and inquire, because it's fucking 1600 iowa over there in rotherdam.
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mircea_popescu: how come the us schmucks ranting on about their endless and universal jurisdiction over everything to the degree that they seek the extradition of random people derping on the internet have yet failed to seek the extradition of the i dunno, 10k or whatever pakis from england that did the child porn one better ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: seems odd. if you want it, that legitimacy and that position, boys and girls, this is what you do. and that you don't do it is why people, such as myself, mostly point and laugh at your untenable pretenses of "regulating" bitcoin or online whatever.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure "the commerce clause" allows one to invade and try rotherdam just as well as it allows one to put the silkroad derp in prison and try miloshevich. why the fuck not, after all.
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mircea_popescu: and in all this rests a lesson for practical everyday use, too. if you are actually man enough to let your girl know you'll beat the shit out of her if need be, which you generally won't even need to do after an initial stage of infantile testing of the theory as proposed, she'll be the most loving, loyal and internally happy woman that she could ever be.
mircea_popescu: whereas if you do not, she ~might~, maybe, manage to maintain superior brain function control over the rest of herself, and be some sort of a first approximation of the above. maybe. or maybe she won't, and go seek to be assuaged in the arms of other men, more inclined to provide the need - for it is a need. the surogates may work or not, but generally dont, and you'll know about it because if she thinks you're enough
mircea_popescu: of a girlfriend of hers rather than a man she'll tell you.
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assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 06:28:55; phf: i'm pretty sure once i manage to build eulora on someone else's machine i'm just going to retire from computing altogether
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 07:45:20; pete_dushenski: "Though the Trump show and the Daily Show both present populist, anti-establishment points of view, their use of entertainment provides a way to actually reinforcere the political and economic power of the establishment that both regularly admonish."
assbot: "Parody" is not there for you cancerous fags to try and hide your cancer behind it. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1T9xolV )
mircea_popescu: in fact im pretty sure he's just doing a stewart repackaging, but with more "support the government!" spam in it.
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assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 11:14:06; kakobrekla: backed by the govt.
mircea_popescu: because yeah, doubling down against mp ever fucking worked. so maryland uni really wants to "win" at internets, right ? digs itself deeper, alf thinks hey, they're home free. i say it won't last, he says nothing ever lasts, we're at a standoff.
mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "i'm making a loss on every sale but hope to make it up on volume" ?
mircea_popescu: if a car costs more to make than it retails for, it costs more to make than it should by about 50%. you think volksvagen spends 20k to make a car they sell for 30 ? they don't.
kakobrekla: the question is whats the point of not charging 104k instead 100k
mircea_popescu: i would guess their costs balooned unexpectedly after they had the marketing discussion and fixed a price point
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punkman: you mean Tesla can't find a dozen stupid things to upsell?
mircea_popescu: which is suppose is technically better than it catching fire, but this is only from the pov of anyone but tesla.
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shinohai: But they have a nifty snake-like auto charger now!
mircea_popescu remembers the days last decade when apple was making money by including a two inch cable for chargers and selling a normal length one.
mircea_popescu: somehow the crappleheads took deliberate bugs for features throughout the lifetime of that scam.
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kakobrekla: 50 bux cable with proprietary connector
kakobrekla: the good thing is chinese dont give a fuck and copy it for a buck, but it works only for a week, if.
mircea_popescu: that's how they started, i recall the shit they proudly made in the 80s
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 14:08:56; mircea_popescu: how come the us schmucks ranting on about their endless and universal jurisdiction over everything to the degree that they seek the extradition of random people derping on the internet have yet failed to seek the extradition of the i dunno, 10k or whatever pakis from england that did the child porn one better ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mircea_popescu doesn't give a shit about that.
mircea_popescu: i'm not in the business of understandingly strangling the enemy.
mircea_popescu: at least the turks just massacred the armenians. what their allies the anglos did in east india...
mircea_popescu: i think by now it takes about a dozen englishmen to screw in the lightbulb so to speak.
chetty: well zeros new urban planning thing will fix it so no more paki free zones
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imagine for a second if you will, how utterly it must suck to be one of the paki betas. which yes, all groups have in the same proportion everywhere, and what's more
mircea_popescu: immigrants are selected for beta, always. because fuck, alpha's not leaving.
mircea_popescu: "your job is to X and i don't recall asking if you were rather equipped for Y mr. whatsyourname!"
mircea_popescu: a people that was principally known for excewllent house servants a century ago is now suddenly and magically turned into this mythological black beast of southern yore ?
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, the number of black dudes inadequate about their penis ("it's only six and a half inches!!!") far exceedes the number of white dudes so worried (its like four dude.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are aware i was discussing the formal, not the substantial reality, rite?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz of today, "genocide of white race - all white women fuck black guys, white genes are recessive, future will be all black babies!!1"
mircea_popescu: derps never went to fucking school already. here's a little secret : the DEFINITION of a recessive gene is "the gene which never dies out"
mircea_popescu: that's the thing. why we still have hemophilia in spite of it not being desirable : dominant genes manifest by themselves, and thus you can't have unharmed carriers, and thus they die out under pressure.
mircea_popescu: recessive genes do not manifest by themselves, thus you can have unaffected carriers. thus they never die out.
mircea_popescu: and yes even today black couples have blue eyed, blond haired babies. it happens.
mircea_popescu idly imagines what nazi germany'd have been like if instead of extermination camps, they just had laws that made jewish women go around naked and always say yes to cock.
mircea_popescu: if the traditional hussiness of the jewish young woman's any indication...
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mircea_popescu: "5.1.3 The Ultimate Stake Let me stress what is ultimately at stake: Liberty itself. In this race between human farmers and free humans, there are only two possible end games: in the end, either we extirpate farming, by exterminating any would-be farmer, or they turn humans into cattle, and extirpate any free will by exterminating free men."
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder why is thinking so difficult anyway.
mircea_popescu: there is only one possible end game, and that is a thermodynamic constraint. otherwise, what fucking end game. some people will be slaves and some people will be stuck with the broadly unappealing job of herding them.
mircea_popescu: but i mean things more dunfamental. like. "liberty itself is at stake".
mircea_popescu: obviously you took no programming, or otherwise you'd know you can't possibly dereference ... THE CONCEPT OF REFERENCE.
mircea_popescu: schmucks on one side of the twitter debate are "saving the environment" while schmucks at the other side are "liberty is at stake!!!"
mircea_popescu: check it out yo, if you keep farting you might end good digestion itself!!1
mircea_popescu: "there used to be such a thing as intestinal transit. sadly that ended one day some dude from paris, wisconsin didn't wipe his ass properly."
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mircea_popescu: "we are observing the scene and waiting . you are not anonymous . expect us ." << notice a change ?
mircea_popescu: that's your opening, srsly. "hey, I got your email off the cryptome leak thing. wanna go for a cup of coffee ?"
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "you doubt very much there is water in the crust".
mircea_popescu: so what are you waiting for. go get it! your list's there.
punkman: "While setting privacy permissions on the keys directory, insufficient error handling can cause the key files to not be written; this may be widespread on the Windows platform. As such, current versions of AlethZero and eth may include identities for which there exists no underlying key."
shinohai: This is the future of cryptocurrency .....
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mircea_popescu: users that lost money, direct all inquiries for repayment to university of maryland.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure they'll make you whole, but if they don't you certainly can get a lawyer and sue them personally and u of maryland for joint and serveral liability.
mircea_popescu: and settlements for something like that start at six digits.
shinohai: Hopefully they dumped at $3 kek
mircea_popescu: not quite as fresh as a few years ago, and so on and on.
mircea_popescu: i thought those were free on campus and still nobody uses them
mircea_popescu: last i heard about a third of the kids pointedly wore army surpluss stuff.
punkman: but do they have added vitamins?
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shinohai thanks ag3nt_zer0 for the fine music selection ...
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ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: my pleasure man... so beautiful
shinohai: I'm a sucker for bach, and I especially love hearing Segovia play it.
ag3nt_zer0: i have been working my segovia scales a bit haha
shinohai: Yup, well I used to when I had time.
n6: I hate to ask for support in here again but gave up on lsub idea and reinstalled, now I can't get wireless working at all using cli, tried setting up a conf file becuase wpa_cli woudln't connect with wpa_supplicant but that didnt work. at a loss for where to go next on my quest for a source based distro.
n6: it works fine if i boot into live cd and put the info in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00062246 = 13.4451 BTC [+] {3}
ag3nt_zer0: Dietrich Fischer Dieskau is the guy who cracked open the wonder of "classical" singing to me - Before him, I liked it, but didn't really feel connected to it in the same way that I was to sonic youth and nine inch nails haha... then I saw some videos of dieskau doing Schubert lierder and I was fuckiing blasted - the dude like physically changed into the different character of the song - and the lyrical sensibility of Schu
danielpbarron: n6, i was never able to get wifi working on my gentoo install so good luck with that
shinohai: ag3nt_zer0: you like neo-classical guitar too?
ag3nt_zer0: and maybe some unabashadly dishonest that I havent been graced to hear yet
trinque: n6: you may need to emerge linux-firmware; however, you're best off looking for gentoo support in #gentoo
n6: thanks as always trinque. gonna try again after emerging firmware
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85200 @ 0.00062295 = 53.0753 BTC [+] {4}
ag3nt_zer0: shinahai: yeah wow... have you ever checked out the guitarist stanley jordan (plays two guitars touch tap technique)? that guy is amazing as well... good character too - walked away from fame and shit town to do music therapy
shinohai: I even didn't hate on him for that Stairway cver.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00062459 = 11.9297 BTC [+] {2}
shinohai: Now it's like throwing a hotdog down a hallway #rekt
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 16:21:23; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu seems like 'nearlyfreespeech co.' takes btc now..
mod6: So Shinohai and I just got done testing my TEST2 bundle with rotor script. We've built successfully on: Gentoo/glibc, Ubuntu 10.04, Debian 6 and Debian 8 :: All x86_64
shinohai: I propose adding that location echo to the script mod6 so as not to cause noob hair-pulling.
mod6: If someone wants to give it a try on x86_64 on a similar linux let me know. I've had to install a few pre-reqs on a totally bare minimum 10.04 like: build-essentials, curl, rsync, and unzip
mod6: ah shinohai, location echo?
mod6: yeah, that's after we freeze everything though right?
mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I have a script for you to try on Debian 7 to build TEST2 with rotor. You might need to install a few minor pre-reqs. I can hold your hand if required for that part. Let me know when you have some time.
mod6: asciilifeform: only main change I had to make other than pulling down the TEST2 bundle itself was to add this: sed -i 's/bitcoin\/bitcoin\/src/bitcoin\/src/' rotor.sh
mod6: its just the way that jurov demands that it works.
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mod6: remember when jurov was mad at me because i put everything underneath of v0_5_3_1/ instead of just being what it was.
mod6: so now it extracts and it's just bitcoin/src
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14998 @ 0.00062737 = 9.4093 BTC [+]
mod6: i have a script for you to look over, review, read, and try out if you like:
mod6: main major requirement x86-64
mod6: someone can also not run this as a script and just run these commands one line at a time if they please.
mod6: thanks asciilifeform
mod6: last reminder to all who are following along: TEST2 is patched up through maxint_locks_corrected
mod6: kakobrekla: it needs a bit of cleanup before we're through
mod6: All: If you are going to build the rotor-TEST2.sh on debian be advised that you may need the following installed: build-essential curl unzip python bc rsync
mod6: buildroot uses it to pull stuff it needs.
mod6: (14:54) <+asciilifeform> btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ditto curl
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ben_vulpes is having trouble keeping all of the moving parts for this thing in head at once.
mod6: yea, i think this all is about to get easier.
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mod6: funkenstein_: ok this is a new one for me. what are the detalis: debian 8, x86-64... ok. is this with the rotor/stator hand build from ascii's guide with tea? or my thing I just posted a bit a go rotor-TEST2.sh?
jurov: mircea_popescu: pls to mpex
shinohai: Try the new test script. So easy a redditard *might* could build it.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is the untarred buildroot intended to live in toolchain or in the root of the rotor directory?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61922 @ 0.00060564 = 37.5024 BTC [-] {4}
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform and what ends up in toolchain?
ben_vulpes: will now have to throw everything out and recompile buildroot, no?
ben_vulpes: <ben_vulpes> will now have to throw everything out and recompile buildroot, no?<< so then yes
mod6: asciilifeform: any idea on funkenstein_'s error? maybe no build-essentials?
mod6: shinohai: you built successfully with rotor-TEST2.sh on deb 8 right?
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shinohai: Yup, Deb 7, 8 and Ubuntu precise
mod6: great work shinohai
shinohai: Ubuntu was on the shittiest box I could find.
mod6: i built on ubuntu 10.04, as well as deb6 and gentoo/hardened/nomultilib/libc
trinque: currently farts out a root.img which can be run in qemu
mod6: i guess i could try now on 14.04 LTS
trinque: working on it hitting a block device now
trinque: asciilifeform: shall when it does a blockdev
trinque: asciilifeform: I intend such knobs, for sure
trinque: would I think mostly be a change of the STAGE3 line
mod6: awe shoot, realized i gotta wait until later tonight for ubuntu 14.04 test. my bad.
mod6: busybox? any specific version?
mod6: oh. ok. you want to us to try it on the new thing they're working on, or exisitng, or both and compare?
punkman: I like that there's a column named "Finished"
mod6: asciilifeform: im with you there.
punkman: if you notice, only a few of the things need explicit UTF8 support there
shinohai: Or, I could fire up the trs-80 and attempt to fit it all on cassette tape/
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williamdunne: Scthoopbot isn't very inspiring at the moment. Just doing it as my hello lisp project
williamdunne: Umm, it was my best interpretation of someone with a severe lisp saying "scoopbot"
williamdunne: Although evidently he doesn't quite understand the concept of a private message yet
trinque: you shouldn't even notice them
trinque: emacs is the only sane choice, and there are a number of modes for that
williamdunne: Yeah, I'll get that done. It's a really strange language coming from some of the more "modern" ones
trinque: only because the others hide a detail lisp displays honestly, the AST
trinque: anyhow, cool that you're diving into that
williamdunne: Yeah, seems pretty good so far. Only bummer is that all of the libraries I can take advantage of elsewhere don't really exist, and if they do they are entirely undocumented
williamdunne: Although its forcing me to read source, which at least is good for learning
trinque: for CL itself, hyperspec.el
trinque: as for the rest, depends on the library
williamdunne: I found this and got excited, until I realized that they haven't written all that much..
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williamdunne: trinque: punkman: know how I can dump a representation of an object to a string?
jurov: simple, just screenshot+ocr
☟︎ trinque: williamdunne: if you're in a slime repl, you can simply make mention of the symbol and right click the thing, and inspect
trinque: I'ms ure there's some pretty printer too; I haven't used it
trinque: williamdunne: actually you probably just want to past stdout to print-object as the stream
trinque: looks like (pprint 'yourthing) maybe
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ben_vulpes: williamdunne: what's your cl development flow like?
ben_vulpes: i had a dream that i figured out how to never recompile openssl again
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mats: I had a dream I got three scoops of guac at chipotle
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Horrendous, currently just doing (load "some/path/file.lisp")
ben_vulpes: the incremental recompilation shit is mind-blowing
williamdunne: Not used to using it, so another thing to learn
williamdunne: Cheers ben :) yeah does look a little batshit to setup in buntu
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ben_vulpes: stepping carefully through next steps.
assbot: In C++ my variables are signed but I have no place to put my signature. What did I do wrong? : shittyprogramming ... (
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phf: asciilifeform: well, he provides a valuable service of hosting both naggum and rob warnock archives
phf: i love xah, but he fell out of contact by becoming increasing more chaotic
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ben_vulpes compiles openssl for the third time today
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net << very much this wtf.
phf: i've met xach a few times at post-ilc pub sessions, i think he's doing lisp consulting for clozure, but yeah i don't really know the details. i think him, fare, etc. would dismiss this place on superficial grounds being self proclaimed feminists. last i checked fare's twitter it was an equal mix of lisp conversations and sjw rhetoric
mircea_popescu: nama see above link, where it says "first steps in #b-a"
mircea_popescu: it's explained how to register with assbot. after that i'll rate you and you can ahve an eulora account.
phf: i think by last polls we were "pervs"
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ben_vulpes: fair unsurprising, one has to toe that line to keep a twitter account
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm penning a "racists and the racist idea" piece, should help.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs."
ben_vulpes: yes, that is what you told trinque as well.
trinque: ben_vulpes: is that db saying that?
trinque: in related news, my script works for both disk images and block devices; however, I need to figure out why the usb device isn't present at the time the initrd goes looking for root
trinque: so after that, infectious gentoo
ben_vulpes: lol why oh why does this script carry on merrily even after i set -e
trinque: depends how you're running it
ben_vulpes: ah well it'd help to edit the right script
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ben_vulpes: trinque: set -xeu should do the trick, no?
mircea_popescu: btw, the... let's call them "non stem" persons keeping their eye on this here thing because they're so interested in my magical dragon being and associatedpowers regularly observe that you people have horrid naming schemes and nymismatics generally.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I dunno what x and u do
ben_vulpes: x prints all output, u signals errors on reference to unbound variables
phf: williamdunne: not builtin, but here's a generic object printer,
http://paste.lisp.org/display/153363. if you have an instance of a class, you'll get #<FOO (A . 1) (B . "test") C #x123123> (where C is unbound)
phf: only works for ccl and sbcl, so if you're using something different i'll need to extend it
trinque: ben_vulpes: bash --be-sane
ben_vulpes: that's all i've ever wanted out of these scripts.
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 14:35:50; mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he respects the scholar and despises the whore^H^H^H^H i mean programmer
ben_vulpes: the "minimal changes possible thing" keeps us hunting around local maxima
ben_vulpes: big institutional resistance to plucking the team up and depositing them elsewhere on the manifold.
ben_vulpes: when one reaches the top of the hill, naive optimization algo will simply not take you through the valley to the next hill
ben_vulpes: "minimal changes possible" is this naive optimization.
ben_vulpes: and so i end up commenting out sections of scripts. adding -xeu myself. and so forth.
mircea_popescu: (this is why the jp don't have the irght idea - the respect of they loath to insult is not worth the shit it's printed on)
mircea_popescu: the only legitimate way to become a king is at the hands of a priest whose knees are trembling.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> has anyone tried the 'suckless' linux ? << stali the "more official" distribution seems to still be in the planning phase
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ben_vulpes: ah that's right, boost needs exceptions from the -e flag
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williamdunne: phf: Thanks, although I'm still trying to wrap my head around streams
phf: williamdunne: if you paste it in your repl, objects that you create with make-instance will magically display their attributes
phf: i.e. you don't need to know about streams to use that function
ben_vulpes: after much derping, i have a rotor-built stator bitcoind
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mod6: <+ben_vulpes> after much derping, i have a rotor-built stator bitcoind << heeey! neat. :]
mod6: im building on ubuntu 14.04 atm