phf: fwiw openbsd didn't make it through v-ification either, it was designed to work cross platform, but i believe there were makefile modifications since, that didn't include it. i don't actively run openbsd, so can't integration test the result
danielpbarron: >> me: the universe does not guarantee a solution to things that humans perceive as problems. << personification of 'universe' to replace God
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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dude, yes. transient, no.
ben_vulpes: mod6: i do believe that i understand now.
ben_vulpes: 'tis a very surgical strike, if i'm reading correctly. only if the flag is set and the sig does not bear the correct order is order enforced.
ben_vulpes: i'd have probably done something ham-handed and just set the order for the given flag, which would be a bigger change to life-fire use than i think would be warranted.
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ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: i swear that i'm referencing something mircea_popescu said with that line, but i'll be damned if i can find the original.
mod6: phf: your patch(s) did work for me on openbsd. i think, once we have all of trinque's makefiles ready to go with the new (forthcoming) version of V, you and I should work together to get a new vpatch of your openbsd changes submitted.
mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can't be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree.
☟︎☟︎ mod6: so either, we need a separate repository for openbsd patches (not a bad idea), or we should just put the new openbsd vpatch in the mailing list for those who need it -- let them just add it to their V 'patches' directoriy by hand
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: i do believe that i understand now. << cool!
ben_vulpes: fwiw i completely failed to get the openbsd patch to work.
ben_vulpes: but i probably hosed something on that machine way before ever making it to building tri.
mod6: yeah, i think i need to walk you through the exact steps. i did get it to build, and fully sync a chain even. was very happy about that.
shinohai: mod6: i am fully synced nau ^^
mod6: having an alternate to linux is important to me. and i was able to build a static binary, but obviously this doesn't work with the rotor (linux only buildroot). i did build it with the stator.
mod6: anyway, getting a buildable openbsd is a priority of mine. there are just bigger things in front of that for the moment.
mod6: <+shinohai> mod6: i am fully synced nau ^^ << ^6
mod6: does that bring us to 8 nodes now
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shinohai: and ~ 90% complete to pogo backup of blockchain
mod6: you're just using it as a storage bin for the time being?
shinohai: i just have it cat the latest blkxxx.dat over once every 12 hours.
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ben_vulpes: oh those are hardly even worth mentioning
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BingoBoingo: Seriously been a while since I posted a really bad one
adlai: cmon chinese chicken!
adlai: ;;google youtube rhcp chinese chicken
adlai fails, twice in a row. too fuck to drunk? !down
adlai: ;;later tell mike_c candle charts outta sync, comment moderation constipation?
adlai: anybody know the guy? the site is *almost* functional in absentia, but not quite enough
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND the inclusion of teachers and educators with auditory and relative business skills pertaining to contemporary Black musical styles." << relative business skills? what are those
☟︎ ben_vulpes: also looks like the storied Oberlin conservatory is about to turn into Rap Kollege
adlai: fwiw friend who teaches classics at a usg 'prep school' attests to having had a student excused from any and all performance standards due to APD (which stands for 'auditory processing disorder')
☟︎ adlai: tis the new AD[h]D
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND an online database that outlines the deadlines, dates, and forms critical for the successful academic journey of Black students" because we can't be arsed to figure it out ourselves, read syllabi when they're handed out or at all, and because of course knowing to do all of the above is something we were not prepared for in life and this must be rectified at the expense of everyone else attending the school.
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND a change in the fundamental ways that we asses knowledge at this institution, starting with a student evaluation of the effectiveness of the grading system. We will have oversight over the results of that evaluation. If the results state that the grading system is not reflective of this institution's student body, we DEMAND an immediate change of that grading system."
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ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND the renaming of these specific academic buildings"
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND that a mandatory professional development program be developed for faculty across departments in the College & Conservatory that will help facilitate their udnerstanding of the ways in which racial capitalism, settler colonialism, and other forms of violent oppression inform and shape instructional methods for the disciplinary content of their courses. We further DEMAND that the content of this information be integrated in
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND a 6% annual increase in grant offers vs. loan offers for Black Students"
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 16:56:17; PeterL: does trb debug.log grow infinitely?
ben_vulpes: i thought there'd be about another 5 years before things got this nutso
☟︎ BingoBoingo: And seriously Oberlin historically has been a trailblazer in surrendering to such demands
ben_vulpes: tenure for an artist in residence, nice
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND that Black student leaders be provided a[n] $8.20/hr stipend for their continuous organizing efforts around the well[-]being of Black people on Oberlin's campus, city and beyond" << man that is some low-dough shit
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND that each worker, temporary or permanent working for the College Dining Hall Services be given a meal every work shift"
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND that the workload given to employees be reflective of their abilities...should not be given a workload that they cannot handle."
☟︎ ben_vulpes: "all employees be given healthcarea and insurance"
ben_vulpes: DEMAND immediate firing of: ... Gerri Johnson...for their rude behavior towards Black Students
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND that Oberlin College stop functioning as a gentrifying institution"
ben_vulpes: "the immediate implementation of a free bussing system"
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assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 00:41:21; mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can't be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree.
mircea_popescu: we can't be the first people doing a multi-platform release.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu>
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383446 << wait, explain this to me ? << the idea is that our makefiles, or whatever build scripts will utilize V to build inside of the rotor (a linux thing) - the source must be compatable with that. phf's openbsd scripts are not compatible with this.
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 00:41:21; mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can't be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 01:49:23; ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND the inclusion of teachers and educators with auditory and relative business skills pertaining to contemporary Black musical styles." << relative business skills? what are those
mod6: however, if he and I work together, we could possibly get some patches in place that would check to see what the local environment is and if __BSD__, then apply, otherwise, do not.
mircea_popescu: mod6 so basically we can't use our convenient makefiles to build the pressed source ; openbsd people gotta finagle their own build chain to get the same source to compile and link ?
mircea_popescu: well yeah, seems this will have to be separately maintained.
mircea_popescu: i suspect it'd be a horrid mistake to try and merge the notion of a press and the notion of a makefile.
mod6: and further, the changes that we wanted to make with V (where we mechanically check to see the patch was applied correctly by checking the hashes) also will not work on bsd unless a bunch more alterations are made, but this is a side issue.
mod6: this is because BSD's sha/md commands spit out the digests in different way than on linux.
mircea_popescu: so basically, this should prolly be on the wiki or what.
mod6: # sha256sum blah.txt
mod6: 827aa4d3ea7c8b7177abe0e2d1d87f45857755df32956fbc54e7a1c10981e6b4 blah.txt
mod6: SHA256 (blah.txt) = 827aa4d3ea7c8b7177abe0e2d1d87f45857755df32956fbc54e7a1c10981e6b4
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (~different~ braindamage than in linux, and this is appealing to some people) << This is pretty much its appeal to me. I have modest needs as far as necessary hardware and necessary software go.
mod6: so a minor annoyance there. but alas.
adlai notes that the three laws are phrased as guidelines for builders, rather than code for execution
BingoBoingo: Also Openbsd base system is complete enough to make internet on mars
adlai: ... wrong chanl (or maybe not?)
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so basically we can't use our convenient makefiles to build the pressed source ; openbsd people gotta finagle their own build chain to get the same source to compile and link ? << and further more, they'll never have the same build process like we want.
mod6: because they can not use buildroot... at least, I don't *think* they can, easily at lesat. they could turn on Linux Binary Comapt mode and perhaps some other kernel tweeks. would need to be looked a.t.
mircea_popescu: mod6 thinking about this, the problem slowly becomes that not only does bitcoin gravitate towards bitcoinos, but it puts some serious problems to any attempt at wide support.
mod6: for sure. our best bet, is bitcoinos.
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mircea_popescu: the problem with that is that well... nobody'd want to bash in bitcoinos. so we'll end up with a very strange catamaran of a stack.
adlai: pete_dushenski: more helpful to say where you encountered the deadlink :)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, for the first time so far it occurs to me we might be setting ourselves up for failure here. because of this support / os issue.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform logically : a) you won't want to ssh into the node and do your bash there (providing it even has ssh). this means you'll be stuck using something else on top of bitcoin-os.
mircea_popescu: obviously, as a general thing, people MIGHT consider running a bitcoin node on any box they run.
mircea_popescu: so then the model here is to have fundamentally speaking a pogo/arm-ish level bitcoind/os, that doesn't really natively build on anything without a laundry list of finicking ?
mircea_popescu: so you bring up your *bsd box, run rotor on it, does it build or doesn't it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if someone has a box that they're using, they can't run a bitcoin node there unless they run it under bitcoinos ?
mircea_popescu: "bitcoinos" is a symbol here. may mean linux, whatever the fuck it means.
mircea_popescu: and so what, we're officially targetting "anything that's unix post bsd pre systemd" ?
mircea_popescu: and so then bsd support, like windows or crapple support, would be a bolt-on ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well apparently phf was half-trying but no hats.
mircea_popescu: phf you seriously considering maintaining a bsd rotor thing ?
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo srsly why are you putting your uni library in the deedbot.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So that I don't have to link fiat uni web sites.
BingoBoingo: If reddit is to be denied links so ought they.
adlai notes that a) archive.is works for backup b) deedbot provides verification alone c) the blockchain works for paranoid-max backup, if you pay your way
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah the part where your otherwise reasonable idea breaks down is where deedbot is not really a webservice
BingoBoingo: Well, librarybot is still 18-36 months out.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i suppose this entire compatibility general issue will need more thinking about.
adlai is currently working on blockchain-databot or whatever's a better name
mod6: yeah, very much so. a good conversation to have though, as our future roadmap depends on some early-on food for thought.
adlai: SaaS (spam, spam, blockchain, spam)
mircea_popescu: mod6 to my mind it's almost as if we bit a recursion girder over here. "v presses source". "ok how do i build it ?" "uh... i guess you need a v-make genesis and follow that for your os." "ok... how do i do that ?" "well... get v-make-make and..."
mod6: i guess my thought is, if we wanna make bitcoinos - we will end up forking either SVR4 or BSD, and then getting married.
adlai: the general goals being - get the data in there, as cheaply as possible, without same standards as
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490 and some reasonable method to random-access without having to reconstruct the entire turd
mod6: so we may think of a different way of doing something like this, maybe it's not a full OS of sorts, maybe its a embedded deal.
mircea_popescu: mod6 here's the problem with "Bitcoinos" : you will want it adapted for bitcoin needs, which necessarily means it won't be your tool of choice for doing almost anything else, which necessarily means maintaining it will be a pain in the ass.
mircea_popescu: im not making any calls here, just running the horse around the field.
adlai: asciilifeform: because large amounts of data are worth paying small amounts of btc to immortalize, today; and small amounts of data will always be worth paying large amounts of btc to immortalize - even tomorrow.
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adlai also got an upfront btc donation to do this so ~shrug~
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this faces you with the unpleasant choice of whether to not play tetris or not run bitcoin on your homebox.
mircea_popescu: see, that';s thje bitch here : missile guidance has to be on missile and there only. there's no benefit from it running on jane's computor.
adlai: mircea_popescu: ever heard of 4th gen ATMs? (not the kind that gets skimmed)
mircea_popescu: so i'm not terribly interested in that line of thought.
mircea_popescu: but i'm discussing YOUR HOME BOX. not some rando box you run.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 00:00:44; BingoBoingo: So next year will be 3 months to sync, 2018 4 months, 2019 5 months etc.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be a shitton cheaper to not need a vm layer if at all avoidable ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 here's the problem with "Bitcoinos" : you will want it adapted for bitcoin needs, which necessarily means it won't be your tool of choice for doing almost anything else, which necessarily means maintaining it will be a pain in the ass. << agree. I think that what I'm getting at is maybe it ends up being like cisco ios.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is ifdefs REALLY the only way to do this ?
polarbeard: bitcoinos would be based on what? I think that's the interesting part
mod6: its a thing, it gets flashed on to some firmware, and it basically just is, you can talk to it and use it, but it is its own thing.
mod6: right. exactly similar to this.
mod6: yah yah, watch it ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i guess most of the problem comes from that chasm. we're not the first to meet it.
polarbeard: how do you talk with the cpu, memory, network, disk?
mircea_popescu: polarbeard most of those will have to be written de novo, basically. esp the filesystem.
mircea_popescu: (or from a security perspective, esp the cpu and memory)
mircea_popescu: so basically my tentative takeaway here is that we'll mostly try to maintain broad linux-compatibility and try and help interested parties keep the wheels oiled and turning on stuff like bsd.
mod6: yeah, for now. seems the most viable approach.
mircea_popescu: but riddle me this : how does user know his openbsd make process isn't satan's own ?
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assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 02:36:26; asciilifeform: tinyscheme welded onto trb
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 18:15:49; mircea_popescu: dude speaking of "provability" bs. FSB are "provably secure" because it can be proven they're at least as hard as regular syndrome decoding. which is np complete. while we don't actually know if THAT is in fact resolvable in polynomial time or not, nevertheless... PROVEDLY SECURE!!11
mod6: this is perhaps were a seperate branch of V for bsd only comes in. or maybe i misunderstand.
ben_vulpes: how does tinyscheme couple into ri source?
mircea_popescu: mod6 in the end we'll need a v thread for the source, one for the manual, one for linux make one for bsd make etc ? like 4 ?
ben_vulpes: this is a wonder i would greatly like to see myself
ben_vulpes: this'd be hooks into running bitcoind memory space and such?
mod6: mircea_popescu: excellent point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you added tinyscheme to have sexpr rather than json, and now you telnet into scheme ?
mircea_popescu: understand mod6 : the thing that scared me above isnm't per se the fact that now we need 4, but that well... it grew. might be we're sitting on some unbounded complexity / a loose recursion tail.
mod6: sure, the whole: 1, 2, inf. problem.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing converges if the path to convergence is expensive.
mod6: asciilifeform: so are we basically, with rotor, able to not only build a static bitcoind, but couldn't we also build a flashable rom that contains said static binary - a flashable universe so to speak?
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mod6: yah, i still think this might be a resonable path. but lot of thought still must go into this whole thing. tonight was a great discussion on it tho.
mod6: does anyone else think that this is *not* a decent consideration at least? even taking into consideration the issues we ran into with pogo?
mod6: eh, sorry: does the idea of a flashable universe built from rotor still make sense.
mod6: i think it could be pretty neat, in the end.
mod6: you buy a flash rom (from S.NSA? or from local place you trust??) then get V, build a flashable universe, flash the card, drop it into some device and then you can talk to it over some wire from your work station
mod6: (im just spitballing here)
polarbeard: mircea_popescu: good because I'm removing it
mod6: <+asciilifeform> we don't have a computer. << well, this goes back to the same thing. currently we're married to some linux varient to do (future) building of flashable universe
mircea_popescu: to put it in you'll have to sign it. if it turns out later to have a hole, people will negrate you.
☟︎ polarbeard: I'm building better logging in two steps, first I lay out better and prefixed messages, people can review that
mircea_popescu: polarbeard you'll still have to sign it. there's no way out of this.
mircea_popescu: fwiw i have a lot more faith in code someone read than in code someone wrote.
polarbeard: returning to the retarded-rotator, will somebody miss it?
polarbeard: it supposedly overwrites the log and (how considerate) leaves you a few lines from the old one
mod6: not if someone builds something that works, and does not break anything.
polarbeard: well, I use logrotate, but I'm a linux-lowlife
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if something like char pch[200000]; is inside an if, what does the compiler usually do ? allocate it at program start or not ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and so if it can\t find 200k contiguos this actually fucking crashes ?
☟︎☟︎ mod6: it should ask the os for 200k of mem, this should be allocated in pages (usually 4k ea. iirc) it may not be contiguos
mod6: no it shouldnt crash unless there is no more ram left available in the entire computer.
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mod6: i could be wrong here.
mircea_popescu: "// "Never go to sea with two chronometers; take one or three." Our three time sources are: System clock ; Median of other nodes's clocks ; The user (asking the user to fix the system clock if the first two disagree)"
mircea_popescu: seriously, MEDIAN ? seriously, this is three ? fuck me.
mircea_popescu: "never go to sea with two clocks. take one or three. so we're taking two but one has a special button to press to ask it if it's really sure. if it is it squaks audibly."
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 02:05:25; ben_vulpes: i thought there'd be about another 5 years before things got this nutso
polarbeard: lol, I'm following the rabbit hole and it seems pszSetDataDir is not set if -datadir not given
mircea_popescu: which is why nobody uses datadir, because wtf you do with munged 200kb logfiles.
☟︎ mod6: # du -sh /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin/debug.log
mod6: 12G /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin/debug.log
polarbeard: you use datadir but give the default dir?
mod6: no, i use /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin since mine is in an attached volume.
polarbeard: allright, then shittyRotate() is there to give hope
polarbeard: surely was introduced for it, windows users see logs as a feature
mod6: which btw for testers is kinda nice -- you can make a really large volume and attach to which ever instance at will and keep your OS small, or swap it out easily without ever having to clobber your build/sandbox area
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mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: the principal obstacle is the lack of a computer. << oh you're saying a target arch here? or?
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assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 03:26:58; mircea_popescu: incidentally, if something like char pch[200000]; is inside an if, what does the compiler usually do ? allocate it at program start or not ?
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 03:28:26; mircea_popescu: and so if it can\t find 200k contiguos this actually fucking crashes ?
mod6: the only place i can find that is in util.cpp:ShrinkDebugFile()
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 03:31:44; mircea_popescu: "never go to sea with two clocks. take one or three. so we're taking two but one has a special button to press to ask it if it's really sure. if it is it squaks audibly."
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 03:45:09; mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: the principal obstacle is the lack of a computer. << oh you're saying a target arch here? or?
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 03:28:26; mircea_popescu: and so if it can\t find 200k contiguos this actually fucking crashes ?
mod6: i gotta read up on paging again i guess.
mod6: thanks for the links tho
mod6: ya, i think i was just confusing some kern shit that i'd read.
mod6: memory allocation is done by the os at runtime. when you ask for some bytes, there are kern mechinisms that handle this request, are there not?
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mod6: maybe i was just remembering this: "Most machine architectures provide a contiguous virutal address space for processes. Some machine architectures, however, choose to partition visibly a process's virtual address space into regious termed segments [intel, 1984].
mod6: Such segments usually must be phyiscally contiguous in main memory and must begin at fixed addresses. We shall be concenred with only those systems that do not visibly segment their virtual address space."
mod6: This is from: Design & Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System by McKusick
mod6: anyway, yah, its not like it called malloc or whatever, its on the stack. i am retard.
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the gf-nordstorm graph is pretty cool, you made it ?
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BingoBoingo finally stitching together popular hegelian piece since slow news weekend
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: footnote just for you, baby
ben_vulpes: hrm that reorder's the piece's footnotes
ben_vulpes: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
ben_vulpes: why? people's links will break if i go back and add intervening footnotes.
mircea_popescu: and references break if guy goes back and adds pages in the middle of his book wtf.
mircea_popescu: and if you write "shoez rulez" today and then change it to "shoez sux srsly" next week, people's idea of your idea of shoes also breaks.
ben_vulpes: so what, i ditch current shitty static site generator and tell everyone who linked to shit previously to get fucked and find the new linxz?
ben_vulpes: i thought la serenissima's webfacists hated linkrot
BingoBoingo: Kinda why eventual #b-a library where people put text from outside the wot for preservation from molestation would have some similarity to deeding.
mircea_popescu: suppose you think about what you wanna say, say it, and then let it be ?
ben_vulpes: i do not see what relationship the directory structure has to the things i have said, other than they expose the retarded toolchain i used to get them on the public net in the first place.
ben_vulpes: all that aside, when i finally ditch this thing, i will preserve the shit that's already on disk.
ben_vulpes: it's usually the captions or contextuality of mircea_popescu's pr0n that gets me lolling
ben_vulpes: heh i am still snickering about that one
ben_vulpes: hey does anyone have suggestions for a non-retarded display manager?
ben_vulpes: for once in my short life i would like to not piss on a fence.
ben_vulpes: something that looks hella nineties would be top notch
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ben_vulpes: nah all i need is the display manager, i'm going to use emacs for window mgmt
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assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 01:51:14; adlai: fwiw friend who teaches classics at a usg 'prep school' attests to having had a student excused from any and all performance standards due to APD (which stands for 'auditory processing disorder')
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 02:10:26; ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND that the workload given to employees be reflective of their abilities...should not be given a workload that they cannot handle."
pete_dushenski: though buiter is right about the silliness of bitcoin tx being costless. such strawman.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: is this a 'freegan' thing?
mircea_popescu: lol derp, "this thing that happened shows that this thing i presume is correct because reasons so ergo!"
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
ben_vulpes: either that or i'm living a week in the future somehow
pete_dushenski: hi ben, it's the future calling, gentoo all ready to go, sir !
ben_vulpes: but i think i need to recompile the kernel
BingoBoingo: The Joys of Sobriety: Going back to read yourself from 2014 and being pleasantly surprised with something you completely dissolved the memory of having written in industrial solvent.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: at this rate imma completely give up and just run 10.6
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i think those shit-spreaders were less of a 'freegan' and more of a 'let's see what it's like to be derpizens of the great nation of afrika'. fwiw.
ben_vulpes: lol wut and now it simply refuses to boot!
ben_vulpes: after five reboots in a row it just gives up!
ben_vulpes: "software never fails" but the flesh apparently is very fucking weak.
ben_vulpes: > marking TSC unstable due to TSC halts in idle
ben_vulpes: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 02:35:25; adlai: pete_dushenski: more helpful to say where you encountered the deadlink :)
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ben_vulpes dd's the 10.6 installer onto the flash drive one last time
pete_dushenski: it's wild how much more organised 10.6 is than 10.8. the latter ~always~ bunged up dates. when trying to organise a folder by "date modified", the latest documents would almost invariably end up in their own speshul sub-heading waaay at the bottom of the list under "no date". but then once in a while, not. for whatever reason.
pete_dushenski: i don't think anything drove me more nutso when using 10.8 than the inability to find a file in a folder you ~just~ placed it in moments earlier.
ben_vulpes: and el cap is second system shitgnomery incarnate
ben_vulpes: no you know what i have one more fence to piss upon
ben_vulpes: that is how desperate i am to get off of os x.
guruvan: ben_vulpes: just get you a boot2docker, and then run whatever the hell you want - use the OSX like a hypervisor :D
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ben_vulpes: guruvan: i am not running my primary os in a container, thank you very much.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i tried 14 for a few days. couldn't believe how laggy it was. haven't tried 10 (or whatever the b-a approved one was)
ben_vulpes: edited code in emacs, booted container for reference implementation builds
ben_vulpes: openbsd at least installed, booted trivially, and ran emacs under x11.
ben_vulpes: but reference implementation? no, get fucked it said.
ben_vulpes: it is weekends like this that make me reconsider how i spent my youth as a misspend, when i see trinque and asciilifeform with usable professional non apple toolchains
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ben_vulpes: shit, i even reconsider the /past three years/ of toolchain investment on weekends like this.
phf: openbsd patch as written results in a working build on both linux and openbsd. it introduces necessary ifdefs to ensure cross platform support. the only change that it does to makefile is, at least according to my research, is necessary with some versions of gcc, rather then openbsd specific (has to do with static linking of pthread). without that change build ~can~ produce broken static bitcoind on both openbsd and linux. at the time
phf: when it was written and submitted it applied cleanly to the tree. to my knowledge it doesn't interfere with stator build. in fact the whole point of patch is to make minimally intrusive changes to source so that interested parties don't have to track down silly issues when attempting a build on their own. it's my understanding that the patch was simply dropped during v-ification, so of course now it doesn't in any way fits into
ben_vulpes: phf: i have a hunch that it was my boost compiles that were failing.
pete_dushenski: just noticed that crapple is pulling the same version naming strange as bitcoin 'core', ie. v. x.9 followed by x.10, x.11, x.12, etc. (is this the equiv. of web 2.12 ?)
ben_vulpes: still trying to get the hang of the m1a1, very much adrift in the cockpit of a warthog.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: it's been an alternative scheme for as long as i can remember
mircea_popescu: in random good unix news : shuf -n 1 $file will pop out a random line from that file.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: maybe it's just the coincidence that's being picked up on my gaydar then.
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pete_dushenski: that being said, i've always thought that version numbers should "roll over" at a certain point. not like mac os8 went 43372 sub-versions before macos 9 showed up. eh. i guess it really doesn't matter.
phf: mircea_popescu: well, openbsd and timestamp are written in old diff format, their migration was not done by foundation when majority of patches were moved to vdiff. i interpreted that move as the patches not being needed and an invitation to perform migration myself.
mircea_popescu: anyway, do i get the impression you got the impression your patches aren't welcome or something ?
phf: well, first v release was migrated by ascii, with all the patches signed by him, i think later mod6 signed his?
BingoBoingo: If asciilifeform reads and tests what he signs the openbsd patch would have been missed. Timestamp may have been overlooked.
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phf: one of the features of the openbsd patch is that it should build cleanly on linux, i.e. naive build or a stator build. i did a naive build that work, while i was developing, but since i assume it was not included in stator i can't speak to that.
phf: basically the patch being dropped created bunch of work for me, that i don't have bandwidth to pursue. (i.e. produce a v version, test on stator)
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: "The correct answer is that developed and practiced by people who take personal cryptographic hygenie very seriously" << hygiene
phf: otherwise the work needs to be done by other foundation members, and it comes with commitment to support openbsd build
phf: as it stands foundation doesn't support openbsd, and when someone wants to build on openbsd, i just support them directly
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phf: mircea_popescu: ok, so i wouldn't say not welcome, but since neither patch was given a courtesy of a smooth transition, i assumed that neither are seen as particularly important. спасение утопающих дело рук самих утопающих (tm) (r)
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BingoBoingo: "Maybe we aren't seeing heaven because one of us is a J-O-O" -Eric Cartman
punkman: well that was a lot of log
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 03:19:50; polarbeard: do we agree in using an external tool for this?
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 02:44:58; trinque: ShrinkDebugFile() << lol, the autism in this thing
punkman: I suspect that using the plog library (after some win32-snipping) would remove more lines than it adds
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assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 03:35:03; mircea_popescu: which is why nobody uses datadir, because wtf you do with munged 200kb logfiles.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 03:19:50; polarbeard: do we agree in using an external tool for this?
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assbot: BitBet - Marco Rubio will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 0.54 B (54%) on Yes, 0.47 B (46%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 39`117 (100`000 to 1) ... (
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assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 02:26:40; mod6: <+mircea_popescu>
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383446 << wait, explain this to me ? << the idea is that our makefiles, or whatever build scripts will utilize V to build inside of the rotor (a linux thing) - the source must be compatable with that. phf's openbsd scripts are not compatible with this.
phf: the ~only~ "script" aspect of the patch is "-Wl,--whole-archive -lpthread -Wl,--no-whole-archive" which is a cross platform gcc argument that ensure that pthread is truly fully statically linked into bitcoind. the issue that some parts of it don't appear consistently with openbsd gcc ~and also on some of the linux gcc versions~. fucking says so in the original email
phf: everything else in there is either cross platform clarification or straight up an #ifdef. it's a tiny ass patch, if it doesn't build on rotor, linux, etc. it's a bug in a patch
ben_vulpes: i only had the opportunity to test it recently, failed to even build prerequsites and so cannot sign it. i also do not intend to build another openbsd system in the immediate future.
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phf: ben_vulpes: of course, that bsd patch doesn't stand in isolation. it was produced at a certain time, was since used by several people to build a version. but there's nothing to sign, because there's only pre-v patch
ben_vulpes: i do envy everyone the vast panoply of device families apparently covered.
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punkman: "Why are we doing this? It's become increasingly clear in the course of hacking events that the FSF's needs for gcc2 are at odds with the objectives of many in the community who have done lots of hacking and improvement over the years. GCC is part of the FSF's publicity for the GNU project, as well as being the GNU system's compiler, so stability is paramount for them. On the other hand,
punkman: Cygnus, the Linux folks, the pgcc folks, the Fortran folks and many others have done development work which has not yet gone into the GCC2 tree despite years of efforts to make it possible."
punkman: "As FSF GCC died a silent death from malnutrition, both were (formally) reunited as of version 2.95 in April 1999. With a simple renaming trick, egcs became gcc now and formally the split was over"
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mircea_popescu: phf i dunno man, i've been trying to unravel in my head what the issue is/was, can't say i've got very far. the only thing i can say is please, insist.
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mircea_popescu: "About a week ago, this pretty girl messages me out of the blue and we hit it off. We talked that night up until 5 AM and we have so much things in common. > She loves Star Wars > Plays video games > All other super nerdy shit > Never met a girl like that" << holy shit, this "all that much" evaluates to almost 0. wtf is wrong with people.
☟︎ adlai: educational holes; haven't read Анна Каренина, perhaps
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mircea_popescu: but the list of things he presents is enough to deduce they have nothing in common.
mircea_popescu: "we both say $word about heavily advertised meaningless franchise". hurr.
mircea_popescu: "she would never take a left on west 83rd at 6pm on a tuesday. i know this on the basis of her $word starwars."
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 14:39:04; mircea_popescu: phf i dunno man, i've been trying to unravel in my head what the issue is/was, can't say i've got very far. the only thing i can say is please, insist.
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 03:34:08; asciilifeform: e.g., want x11 emacs ? say hello to dbus
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:42:55; ascii_field: and until it builds x11 emacs without dbus and related idiocy, openbsd is WORTHLESS to me.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, these must be decisions people take for themselves.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 00:05:24; danielpbarron: >> me: the universe does not guarantee a solution to things that humans perceive as problems. << personification of 'universe' to replace God
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 07:46:51; ben_vulpes: it is weekends like this that make me reconsider how i spent my youth as a misspend, when i see trinque and asciilifeform with usable professional non apple toolchains
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i personally don't. there's a common disease of whores (and no, programmers aren't fundamentally anything else). it manifests like so : should a wolf find a delicious morsel, it will neglect it oft to the point of just letting it sit while it draws a perimeter around and inspects for whence it came for and MOAR. meanwhile, a mouse that found a morsel will grab it and run, never to return.
mircea_popescu: i see it lots with online hos, you'd think that if you got easy money once, you'd never leave that place. but not so if you KNOW you're not worth anyone's time, deep down.
mircea_popescu: ie, "i say whore because she won't fuck me" vs "i say whore because whatevs"
mircea_popescu: yeah. the requisite behaviour of the wife of the king.
mircea_popescu: but generally, as an aspiring young lord, you don't have either the time or the resources to spend any time or resources with any women that would settle for anything but the best they can possibly get.
mircea_popescu: which is why "well breed" old guard products don't usually carry much value with the treason that just prospered.
polarbeard: should we kill it? grep " _(" bitcoin/src/* | wc -l -> 58
mircea_popescu: polarbeard "I'd get it one piece at a time. And it wouldn't cost me a dime..."
mircea_popescu: Killing Awlaki unfortunately did not prevent his propaganda from influencing the minds of people who killed innocent people after he was gone. "
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jurov: !gettrust assbot sipa
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ben_vulpes: did anyone ever do a static compilation libkez?
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mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> did anyone ever do a static compilation libkez? << there's room for one.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: I personally don't understand the reasons beyond "it's the right thing to do with the reference implementation, dummy. also, fuck drepper."
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ben_vulpes: a glib answer'd be "because steve died", a more pragmatic one "because they don't compile the bitcoin reference implementation", but i don't think either of those are what you're thinking.
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mircea_popescu: mkay, let's take something else. why does buying a russian bride online suck ?
ben_vulpes: no returns, no way to know if she's even minimally acceptable to spend time with, no way to know if she can suck cock...
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but none of these are the core of the matter. suppose you buy one, and i give you another.
punkman: ben_vulpes: static because for one, hoping user has the right openssl/bdb/etc shared lib version results in forks
ben_vulpes: laptop or bride, they'd be...separate physical instantiations of 'bride' or 'nut-frier'?
mircea_popescu: but think about it. suppose i loan you one of my slavegirls, and you bring her back, except you bring me back a different woman.
mircea_popescu: whereas you have nfi how "a bride" should go. fuck you know.
mircea_popescu: for all you know, this is how it was supposed to be all along.
mircea_popescu: how are you going to have strong relationships with poorly defined entities ?
ben_vulpes: well no, but i believe that i understand your point.
ben_vulpes: usg has a plenty strong relationship with me, lol
mircea_popescu: marginally speaking, if i take random user's ipad and replace it with another ipad, random user'd never know.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: is this MY windows or HIS windows ? (is that my emacs or his emacs ?)
mircea_popescu: and the problem now dawns : nobody gives a shit's ass what you do to your emacs
mircea_popescu: "i dunno, man, that's just what my bitcoin does" "it shouoldn't do that" "how do you know ?" "because..."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "About a week ago, this pretty girl messages me out of the blue and we hit it off. We talked that night up until 5 AM and we have so much things in common. > She loves Star Wars > Plays video games > All other super nerdy shit > Never met a girl like that" << holy shit, this "all that much" evaluates to almost 0. wtf is wrong with people. << It's like the redditor version of my foray into fiction
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jurov: From: Gypsy <gypsy@thedoccorp.com> Subject: Programmer at $399/ Week ...orly?
jurov: Best Regards, Gypsy | Offshoring Coordinator
jurov: i'll gladly forward. cascadia surely needs some gypsies to improve diversity
BingoBoingo: They also naturally live in camps and so blend in with local bipedal fauna
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polarbeard: somebody against displaying full hashes in the log instead of substrings?
mircea_popescu: polarbeard on the contrary. please fix the substring idiocy.
mircea_popescu: whoever the fuck does stupid shit like "substring hashes" fundamentally misunderstands what cryptography is all about
mircea_popescu: much like someone delivering CPU shavings fundamentally misunderstands electronics.
polarbeard: is a symptom of basically being 'too clever'
punkman: this doesn't matter in log in most cases
punkman: it also means bigger logs overall
polarbeard: its okay, they actually implemented rotat... well
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polarbeard: saving bytes from hashes to spend them in "oops!" all around
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punkman: myeah, and if you need to archive a lot of logs, can always convert to denser binary format
polarbeard: yeah, for now I'm just adding timestamps, classification prefixes and fixing messages, without adding extra logging points
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assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 19:29:50; mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> did anyone ever do a static compilation libkez? << there's room for one.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 19:32:48; mircea_popescu: do you understand why your apple "computers" suck ?
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 19:46:52; mircea_popescu: marginally speaking, if i take random user's ipad and replace it with another ipad, random user'd never know.
danielpbarron: >> Holy crap, opening from latest official (Al-Hayat) ISIS video is the decryption of a PGP message.
danielpbarron: is the tweet deleted? i took screenshots of the pgpgram
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mircea_popescu: <punkman> this doesn't matter in log in most cases << for one thing, alf was considering using the log for dumping and working with mempool.
LquidNinjaAssets: It doesn't really matter, I was just looking for some #b-a advice on who to use as a hosting service if I wanted to start a no frills blog...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform likbez is ipso definitio "list of obvious, except not obvious to you"
danielpbarron: i was gonna ask BingoBoingo what he uses; i'm tryin to get a blog up as well
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> is the tweet deleted? i took screenshots of the pgpgram << it would be. pgp BURNSSSS teh usterrorists.
danielpbarron: hosting i can do myself, but the wordpress i found kinda sucks
mircea_popescu: just a simple "isis finally moving to pgp, like b-a/alf/mp said they should. usg petrified about actual, strong cryptography - as opposed to the ecc and assorted shit they peddle - being deployed by those opposing its reign of terror"
danielpbarron: i'll look into it when i get back to real computer; i'm at a sushi bar atm
LquidNinjaAssets: yes plus all the security holes MP found on there...just something super basic that could be recommended by my wot would be great, thank you
punkman: LquidNinjaAssets: you can see who's hosting where via whois
mircea_popescu: fancy that coincidence, i just had a pile of sushi myself.
punkman: contravex looks like godaddy :/
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Darwin isn't a complete piece of shit eh? So Apple > Winblows or is this like comparing two bowls of shit and asking which one is less nutty.
BingoBoingo: I use dreamhost for thedrinkingrecord. It's cost controlled and don't get surprise bills when DDoS
BingoBoingo: But really choosing a web host is a serious optimization problem.
BingoBoingo: What works for thedrinkingrecord would be unacceptably for Qntra
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: people did that, it was called a commodore64
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: because qntra has giant "DDOS me" sign on it's back as it walks to halls?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Because Qntra needs the potential to host wider varieties of content objectionable to shitgnomes
thestringpuller: Working on a winblowz box is the worst experience ever. I did so for 1.5 years writing JBoss web applets. Everyone thought "Oh you can run the dev environment in windows, well you're crazy. THIS IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS" to which I would revolt saying, "Your development process is insane which is why you spent 2.5 mil bringing in AGILE consultants to reduce your bottom line, which didn't fix any of the real problems."
thestringpuller: Eventually all the devs were given macs, (Oh boy upgrade from diahrea to solid feces).
thestringpuller: The only people who got anything done around there was DevOps who had a strict (Run linux)
thestringpuller: aha. does this require posix compliance add-ons in the Windows box?
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polarbeard: ide tells you what to do, calls you bitch if you don't
thestringpuller: that's like middle school shit. "Sally thinks you're a bitch"
polarbeard: clippy secretly plots your murder, using gentle 'suggestions'
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jurov: nice, can someone compile crystalspace/eulora with mingw?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> just imagine a box where you can't pop a shell & grep << iirc they eventually got a grep in windows too
polarbeard: and tells you to shut up and accept the dick
BingoBoingo wonders if name is supposed to be read polarbearD or polar beard
jurov: i know about cygwin, but never tried to apply
mod6: polarbeard: I apprecate your offer to work on the Reference Implementation, but before you get too far along you need to reconcile that -1 from ben.
jurov: rather, heard horror storied about mingw
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diana_coman: jurov> nice, can someone compile crystalspace/eulora with mingw? <- I tried that in some days of madness; it didn't end well
polarbeard: mod6: no problem, I'm open to suggestions
mod6: I think you need to ack your previous identity and make ammends. Thats the first step.
polarbeard: asciilifeform: I nuked my previous identity, for science
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 05:07:56; ben_vulpes: !rate punindented -1 unwelcome here
polarbeard: asciilifeform: punindented, nodejs, mawk user
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 05:07:56; ben_vulpes: !rate punindented -1 unwelcome here
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i was even under the impression that the eulora build process was microshit-free << how are you going to make a windows binary "microshit-free" ?
mircea_popescu: <mod6> polarbeard: I apprecate your offer to work on the Reference Implementation, but before you get too far along you need to reconcile that -1 from ben. << the what now ?!
mod6: polarbeard is punindented, i very much appreciate his offer of help to work on the R.I. but this is a non-starter until ben and polarbeard/punindented reconcile their differences.
thestringpuller: is it safe to transplant the blockchain between hard drives once it's completed?
thestringpuller: or is it like the fdisk thing where you should --verify-all on restart even if blockchain is downloaded?
mod6: polarbeard: perhaps not. but wot & signing patches is based on trust. you must have a positive rating from members for patches to be accepted.
thestringpuller: this wouldn't change on same machine no? (like pulling blockchain off one drive then putting on another drive, but inside same machine)
mod6: so lets get this resolved and perhaps we can move forward.
polarbeard: ok, I'll earn that with time, I won't submit until I have positive rating
BingoBoingo: polarbeard: Your best bet is likely starting a blog and putting things you might eventually submit there
BingoBoingo: Shows your growth over time or lack thereof
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BingoBoingo: polarbeard: Nothing wrong with blogging code
BingoBoingo: polarbeard: But you don't own that url in even the pretend sense of having a domain name
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: is the categories page you used built into the theme or did that have to be created?
polarbeard: do I need a domain name to contribute code?
trinque: polarbeard: just go talk to ben_vulpes and work out whatever happened there.
polarbeard: BingoBoingo knows what happened, I sent him a log
BingoBoingo: polarbeard: no, but it makes the blog part work more smoothly given how github leiks da censorship
polarbeard: please share it BingoBoingo, if you still have it around
BingoBoingo: trinque: He filpped ben_vulpes paranoia breaker it would take some time for it to reset.
mircea_popescu: mod6 there's two (very general) problems here. one is that well, identification's always iffy. how do you go "x=y" when it comes to ids ? the other is that well, with or without wot trust, the guy can still write patches etc. not like anyone can prevent it. not to say that it shouldn't be resolved by any means.
mod6: mircea_popescu: he was talking to me in pm when he decided not to reconcile with ben and created a new ident. i can't sign stuff from a guy who i know that my co-chair has neg-rated.
mircea_popescu points out that all this private talk just makeswork down the line.
mod6: the dispute? i dunno. his ident was 'punindented
polarbeard: that's okay, I won't submit anything if you don't want / have the time to read
mod6: i asked him to resolve this, but this has gone too far now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and then the differences evaluated and it's just not fucking worth it.
polarbeard: mod6: I created a new ident because I nuked my keys, but I understand your position, you could have told me I'm not welcomed as well, instead of talking to me
mod6: ah, thats right. forgot you blew away your keys. but still, i gvae you ample time to resolve this with ben.
BingoBoingo: polarbeard: The solution is not simply new name. It is building a history and working towards the comprehensive exam.
mircea_popescu: now we're all stuck sitting around looking at a high strung dramatique discussion with a missing antecedent.
polarbeard: I don't know how to resolve the fact that he doesn't like people build stuff for nodejs
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this is loathsome. << This
polarbeard: formerly I was nobody, I'm still nobody
mircea_popescu: well thatg's what i said. how do you know "x is y". you basicaLLY don't.
mircea_popescu: moreover, gpg is specificalloy intended to work as a PSEUDONYMOUS system. much like bitcoin addresses are.
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mircea_popescu: there's nothing fundamentally wrong with being a dozen different oens.
mircea_popescu: whether you like the idea or not - jack shit you can do aobut it.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the corruptive influence of bitcoin over enemies works in gpg and v space too.
mircea_popescu: new identity has to put in effort to establish trust. if it wants to abuse it later... it does have to burn it.
mircea_popescu: keep things so it's never worth doing that, you don't care if it's hitler's own id.
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 21:01:21; ascii_field: BingoBoingo: 'I didn't know that,' I said. 'No one knows everything,' he said. 'Did you know,' he said, 'that until almost this very moment nothing would have delighted me more than to prove that you were a spy, to see you shot?' 'No,' I said. 'And do you know why I don't care now if you were a spy or not?' he said. 'You could tell me now that you were a spy, and we would go on talking calmly, just as w
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 21:01:21; ascii_field: would let you wander off to wherever spies go when a war is over. You know why?' he said. 'No,' I said. 'Because you could never have served the enemy as well as you served us,' he said. 'I realized that almost all the ideas that I hold now, that make me unashamed of anything I may have felt or done as a Nazi, came not from Hitler, not from Goebbels, not from Himmler — but from you.' He took my hand.
mircea_popescu: and to bring back that very obscure thing on trilema about sybils etc :
mircea_popescu: the ONLY viable attack against the wot is getting people to act in systematic manners.
mircea_popescu: it is the direct equivalent of entropy-diddling for keysystems.
mircea_popescu: not only "there's nothing common about common sense" - but there's a very good reason for this. common sense is decentralized system poison.
mircea_popescu: hey - this actuyally works. fundamentally, we're destructuralists.
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mircea_popescu: no but this is important. the measure is not 0-> but (undefined) ->
mircea_popescu: more generally, there's no algebra with a 1 but not a 0 in this sense afaik.
mircea_popescu: the sad truth is that this is a very specific sort of ideal.
mircea_popescu: sorta like crossword puzzles, same thing. a sort of cleverness.
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assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 23:06:37; jurov: "idiomatic C"
jurov: merely tasking them to understand existing code is sufficient. "and no, you're not allowed to redo it nor pull libraries"
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ben_vulpes: so i've only negrated this punindented identity