mthreat: chinese job postings routinely specify measurements for female employees, for jobs such as receptionist, and also specify that they be "attractive". If you just search on
http://cn.indeed.com for "cm", you'll find jobs with centimeter measurements.
☟︎ mthreat: and then use google translate to read them, unless you happen to read chinese
mthreat: looks like most of them specify height, for males too. But I've seen some specify bust/waist/ass measurements
☟︎ mthreat: translation of requirements: 1, have a good image quality, height 162-168CM
mthreat: 2, bust 83-85CM, waist 59-62CM, hip 88-91CM, Shoulder 37-38CM
gernika: I once applied for a job in Shenzhen - was required to send my picture. I was deemed acceptable.
trinque: someone tell me again how this country that holds tons of our debt - and is buying up everything left of value in our country - is inferior to us
BingoBoingo: Sorry DoS left Qntra a bit constipated, news bowels should be clearer for a bit
gernika: Actually used to work at Micron, as an intern for a summer. Would have worked for them for a second summer but ... drug test. They did email on a Vax of some sorts, but were otherwise a windows shop.
☟︎ gernika: AMD only did one drug test, so just extended my internship there instead.
mircea_popescu: well, inasmuch as my bitcoin doesn't eat the block, they have.
mircea_popescu: what i gathered from what you were saying yest was that they contain an actual spendable tx that will be accepted as input for future txn by future usg clients, thus forking off the legitimate network
mircea_popescu: which is obviously always a possibility but atm i don't see how it'd work.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:04:26; mod6: magic number is not 0xD9B4BEF9 in 364671
mircea_popescu: i've not kept up with all the idiocy spweing out of that shit-for-brains, so maybe.,
mod6: guess i should have said "first four bytes are not..."
trinque: ben_vulpes: thought some more about db testing strategy
trinque: make rules -> try to break them -> if you can't, test passes
trinque: so the pass is a db exception
trinque: I prefer to just inspect the thing myself and see that the constraint's there, but that's an option if ya want tests
trinque: so one day nobody showed up for band practice, and the guy said "FUCK IT, I AM THE BAND"
nubbins`: <+gernika> I once applied for a job in Shenzhen - was required to send my picture. I was deemed acceptable. <<< did same for teaching job in sk
nubbins`: hornets' cybernest sounds better
mats: asciilifeform: what's there to write about, folks have covered all the interesting bits already
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 15:01:17; nubbins`: implying that most cocaine users do it for the fun.
mircea_popescu: this is a defense now, "well... not like i was having fun". so... fuck you for being dumb ?
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:15:35; nubbins`: danielpbarron, it seems likely that kludges and bugs will be baked into Bitcoin for eternity
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:18:50; danielpbarron: my expectation for this world is that everything will suck and everyone is stupid
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:14:46; *: nubbins` generally lives life as if 1btc == $0.00
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:35:24; ascii_field: the current turd is not 'pogoable' and i'm surprised that danielpbarron bothered to test it there
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:19:37; punkman: which version do we target for bug-to-bug compatibility, since 0.5.3 won't do?
trinque: maybe he's asking what if anything shall be backported
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as best i can determine atm we're not (yet) hosed.
mircea_popescu: but if the shitshow continues where imbeciles simply do random things, we will certainly end up hosed.
mircea_popescu: "I'm not allowed to see the final agreement between the government and my husband. "
assbot: burtw is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: afaik they misjudge both their technical ability and the actual state of the network, but hey, if that's what the excel model said...
punkman: 0.5.3 will accept new v2 blocks for example. is that a good idea right now?
mircea_popescu: just like every single last schmuck working for the usg must know that one day we will hang him for ~THAT~ crime, just so every schmuck fucking around with "bitcoiin development" must know that one day, his efforts will be undone and we revert.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has a russian expression to explain this concept. it originates, mythically, with stalin.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 04:16:44; asciilifeform: 3) не шагу назад
mircea_popescu: there is nothing that the usg has ever done or could ever do that has even the faintest whiff of permanence. not one thing.
decimation: asciilifeform: besides, even if you had $x mil, what difference would it really make
decimation: other than 'had, then lost' rather than 'never had'
cazalla: i figured most if not all people here are well prepared if upon waking bitcoin is $0 or dead.. i would go work in the garden as i did yesterday and will tmw so bit surprised to read this one from asciilifeform
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 18:12:50; ascii_field: nubbins`: this is when you ought to envy folks like me, who have nothing
decimation: asciilifeform: it's just a knock off of redhat
decimation: what part strikes you as more retarded: the partitions or the lvm?
decimation: yeah I find lvm is a 'solution in search of a problem'
mircea_popescu: sheer militant retardation of centos's default partitioning scheme << what's wrong with it ? asked he cluelessly.
decimation: asciilifeform: in fairness, what would a 'sane' scheme be?
decimation: one that uses no lvm and allocates most space to 'home'
decimation: it has to insert itself into your business I guess
decimation: anyone serious does their own partition scheme
mircea_popescu: this sounds insane. i've never seen it on any centos server i ever owned.
decimation: I think he's talking about what happens when you click the default entry
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 21:54:58; ascii_field: at any rate, none of the diddles thus far would have made so much as a scratch on, e.g., 'adacoin'
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a) game currency and b) prototype. pick as needed.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:04:23; mthreat: chinese job postings routinely specify measurements for female employees, for jobs such as receptionist, and also specify that they be "attractive". If you just search on
http://cn.indeed.com for "cm", you'll find jobs with centimeter measurements.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:06:22; mthreat: looks like most of them specify height, for males too. But I've seen some specify bust/waist/ass measurements
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:23:05; gernika: Actually used to work at Micron, as an intern for a summer. Would have worked for them for a second summer but ... drug test. They did email on a Vax of some sorts, but were otherwise a windows shop.
mircea_popescu: sometimes i think i'm the last dude left that doesn't do drugs.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 00:24:43; asciilifeform: to round off the earlier thread, aficionados of 'parallel construction' will find a treasure of a lulzfest in the 'darkode' indictments.
mircea_popescu: honestly i have a lot of trouble distinguishing this "law enforcement" push from "hiring spree"
mircea_popescu: i don't even drink a notable amount of coffee fer crissakes.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2014 17:22:10; mircea_popescu: speaking of high, the pot here is infucking credible.
mod6: If bitcoin should perish, we will write it's successor: the revolution will not be stopped. Crypto-currency is here to stay. Full stop.
mircea_popescu: so it is. and i say so on the basis of dragging twice off a chick's joint.
mircea_popescu: ftr, it's not like i'm on some sort of war on drugs mission or anything. i can appreciate good cocaine just as i can appreciate good steak, i've a refined palate etc.
hanbot: mod6 is that an altcoin that swings both ways?
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla you know the qntra after a day's blackout is actually quite good!
assbot: Dark Net Market archives, 2011-2015 : Gwern Branwen : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... (
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mircea_popescu: "Points of objection to the extradition put forth by Davis's counsel claim he would be subjected to inhuman and degrading conditions if convicted and that as he suffers from depression and aspergers, his mental health would be put at risk. Counsel also argued that Davis should have been charged with the offences he is alleged to have committed in Ireland and not in the US. Despite this, the Irish DPP has not investigat
mircea_popescu: ed nor has any intention of charging Davis in relation to his alleged Silk Road activity."
trixisowned: [22:55:27] <mircea_popescu> and i have heard "something", just nothing particularly substantial.
mircea_popescu: yes the backlog is going to be permanent. who exactly is surprised by this ?
mircea_popescu: again : bitcoin is not for the poor. there's articles on trilema detailing this going all the way back to 2012. what, this never happened ?
trixisowned: you can force your blocks to have more of a backlog than other blocks, which is also prioritized via the client
trixisowned: which could cause them to profit by stuffing their own blocks
trixisowned: and not relaying those transactions to other nodes
trinque: doesn't look like anything fun is left on these drives but a gigabyte of a base ubuntu install
trinque: at least for anyone lacking a scanning electron microscope
trinque just fired up the jet engine in his closet
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah I'll still dd the thing somewhere
trinque: and there are 4 other drives not installed for additional phun
trinque: yeah, ass-goblins in the hd firmware right?
trinque: I assume this box is no more owned than the lenovo laptop I'm fiddling with it from
decimation: Hey there's 'women in tech', why not 'poor in tech' and 'alternatively housed in tech'
decimation: " The sudden visibility of these sell orders significantly shifted the visible order imbalance in that contract, and it coincided with the beginning of the reversal of its price (the top of the price spike). Most of these limit orders were not executed, as the price did not rise to their levels.
decimation: ah the missing bit in the middle "a number of previously posted large sell orders suddenly became visible in the order book above the current 30-year futures price (as well as in smaller size in 10-year futures)."
decimation: also: "At the peak of the flash crash, self-trading in the 10-year "reached 14.9 percent and 11.5 percent for cash and futures" volume, respectively, and was even higher in the 5-year"
decimation: ^ I conclude that the high rent firms who run the hft bots are just as clueless as spv miners
decimation: " Self-trading, for the purpose of this report, is defined as a transaction in which the same entity takes both sides of the trade so that no change in beneficial ownership results."
decimation: so they are running a gaggle of bots and they have no fuckin' clue how they interact
decimation: mod6: perhaps, it's not clear to me how selling something to yourself is beneficial in tax terms
mircea_popescu: decimation conclusion is certainly correct. they have no clue and no future.
mircea_popescu: "The modern traveller " thy name is legion " proposing to visit some " lost paradise " such as Bali, often asks whether or not it has yet been " spoiled." It makes a naive, and even tragic, confession. For this man does not reflect that he is condemning him- self ; that what his question asks is whether or not the sources of equilibrium and grace in the other civilizations have yet been poisoned by contact with men lik
mircea_popescu: e him- self and the culture of which he is a product." << this is deeply self-flattering but just as deeply wrong. if a man asks if a woman is a virgin, he also condemns himself ?
decimation: ^ apparently most 'stock ownership' is a complete mirage
decimation: the state of delaware doesn't even acknowledge that your broker owns the stock, yet alone you
mircea_popescu: " it is to be feared that the gradual breaking down of their institutions, together with the drain on their national wealth, will make coolies, thieves, beggars and prostitutes of the proud and honourable Balinese of this generation, and will" prostitution is not to be feared. prostitution is the realisation of the feminine ideal finally liberated of all the slag of fear and hypocrisy.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i still can't fucking stand that wamy fellow, nothing's changed in a decade.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read orlov's daughter from a marriage with yarvin consumated on one of their leaky carriers they have.
mircea_popescu: decimation you can get proper ownership if you want, to this day (a point fucktarded articles deliberately omit to mention)
decimation: that passage sounds like the seeds of 'liberal guilt'
decimation: yeah, apparently the common method is a big dumb 'depository company' holds them on behalf of another company who holds them on behalf of a broker who 'sells' them to you
mircea_popescu: i think i even have unissued ones from old corps in storage somewhere as well.
decimation: you need to actually hold a certificate to be an owner in delaware apparently
decimation: or at least have a warehouse receipt for the same
decimation: well, when I give the broker money for a stock or fund, what am I buying?
mircea_popescu: again nobody forces you to buy something you don't wanna buy
decimation: actually in the us they kinda do sometimes
decimation: for instance if you have a forced menu on your company's retirement plan
mircea_popescu: (yes they'll ship you the certs if you so wish, and aren't one of the reddit "but i expect everyything for free" consumer crowd)
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 02:21:50; mircea_popescu: course, he was discussing failing tests and whatnot.
decimation: very typically your company will have a short list of 'funds' in which you can invest your usg-blessed 'deferred tax' money
gernika: mircea_popescu They did, some 15 years ago. This is Idaho and Texas we're talking about.
mircea_popescu: decimation i would expect you can get certs for your fund participation. you don't own what they own, just a piece of them.
decimation: mircea_popescu: possibly, I'll have to look into it.
mircea_popescu: decimation obviously, ownership is not without its pitfals. if you manage to burn them down you may have a problem on your hands.
gernika: mircea_popescu Aha no the Chinese thing was a test of my appearance via a photo, which I passed.
decimation: did you know that nearly all retail 'financial advisors' in the us are not actually fiduciary?
mircea_popescu: think about it. how much does insurance cost ? how'd you make it so random schmuck with 50 bucks in his pocket can afford one ?
decimation: you make it so nobody is liable for suckering him
decimation: which is roughly the state of the computer industry that ascii bemoans
mircea_popescu: the elephant in the room is that ten thousand today are not worth a hundred in 1920, whcih is the last release year of most of this stuff.
decimation: yeah ownership dilusion is rampant too
mircea_popescu: people with less than a million liquid are not in any sense anything but the shoeshine boys and shop maids investing their nickles and dimes, which famously made carnegie quit or who was it
decimation: how did greenspun put it:
http://philip.greenspun.com/materialism/early-retirement/investing " Note that Harvard's total is 105 percent because of leverage, i.e., situations in which they've borrowed money to purchase investments. Conspicuously absent from these portfolios are heavy investments in American companies run by Harvard and Yale graduates. "Domestic Equity" are publicly traded stocks such as GE and Microsoft. Harvard and Ya
decimation: "Harvard and Yale have faith that their graduates will make a lot of money for themselves, but no faith that they will make money for their shareholders. "
mircea_popescu: harvard has a lot better sense than to buy the toxic spew of its own "start-up culture".
decimation: yeah, they buy timber land and private equity
decimation: also note that yale hardly buys bonds too
decimation: but the bottom line is that 70% of their wealth is invested in stuff that isn't available to the above shoeshine boys
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decimation: asciilifeform: did you go on a kicking spreee
decimation: nearly all of them were on irccloud.com actually
decimation: I wonder if that's where our lurkers come from
decimation: I've been reading that 'thinking forth' book, it's rather enjoyable
decimation: I can see the elegance of the stack-based design
decimation: where even function arguments are implict
decimation: also the rpn makes me yearn for my hp calc
decimation: asciilifeform: I see the wisdom in writing bitcoin in ada strictly to attract the kinds of programmers we actually want
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 06:55:10; ben_vulpes: we just have a bunch of functions called reset-password, set-user-whatever, update-user-whatever
gabriel_laddel: Should be easy enough to add on top of CLOS if one really needs it.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 06:54:13; trinque: I still don't see how I'd use CLOS like I use view composition in the db
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 07:03:43; trinque: and just fart graphics onto a canvas or webgl
gabriel_laddel: Sure it doesn't run "on the web" but one can socket one lisp proc into another and done?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> gentlemen, please welcome zoolag.ddns.net - a therealbitcoin/stator node. << cool!
mod6: are you stuck on block 365`521?
trinque: gabriel_laddel: cannot get internet users to do anything harder than going to a URL
☟︎ trinque: however I can see a use for CLIM on the backend
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 02:19:08; asciilifeform: i distinctly recall mircea_popescu having fessed up to 'do'
trinque: double latte is as far as I go into that territory these days
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 04:37:08; trinque: gabriel_laddel: cannot get internet users to do anything harder than going to a URL
trinque: gabriel_laddel: who says I'm "targeting" still
trinque: turns out you can make money in hubcaps and all sorts of other mundane things.
gabriel_laddel:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203282 << there are three relevent trilema articles. One describes MP's stance on drug legality (perhaps they should be illegal b/c else they'd be mandatory) the second doesn't have a comments section and shows off some MDMA on a tea tray (biz meeting iirc?) and the third mentions the purity of Ar cocaine in the footnotes.
☝︎ trinque: mdma is a truly lovely drug.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: hrm. I don't remember that one, but now that I think about it, there is a comment you made on a nonsense article ~"MP took a delivery of some potent smokables?".
gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: trilema.com "this is my attempt at trolling the electrical engineers"
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gabriel_laddel: danielpbarron: asciibooklist is missing "China's Examination Hell: The Civil Service Examinations of Imperial China". It is quite good.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel pretty sure was one about costa rica cocaine being ferried off by us coast guard by the cruiser
mircea_popescu: because the locals don't have an army and happened upon a huge shipment
decimation: asciilifeform: better than 'the art of the metaobject protocol'?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: now that I think about it, you mentioned it in one of the few articles discussing your budding romance with Ar.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform minigame is slowly turning into an all girls outfit
mircea_popescu: i think they muyst have meanwhile figured out the "less head more butt meat, stupid!" design principle.
mircea_popescu: hanbot so this is 11 for the little bit turned into what,
hanbot: 25 for my quality 225 bit, 202 swipe of axe. :D
trinque: gabriel_laddel: bought for 9 bucks
gabriel_laddel: trinque: Congrats. It is a lovely book. Simple, to the point, and clearly the product of someone who understood *exactly* the limitations of their tooling.
gabriel_laddel: ftr, I think the 3 canonical CL books are CLtL2, Keene and Art of the MOP
trinque: cool, I'll let you know what I think of them.
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ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> 96.241.120.166:8333 << ah hey!
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 01:37:47; asciilifeform: gotta admit, usg switching to funding tx spam with stolen coin, rather than giving it at mega-discount to mircea_popescu et al, was a less-retarded-than-usual move
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i don't seriously imagine that anybody gives a fuck between the 99th and 100th million. << zeroth to first though...
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ben_vulpes: girl is bolting her dress together tonight
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punkman: "A spokesman for public utility Portland General Electric said the dildos do not pose a fire hazard."
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mircea_popescu: hey, how's greece two days after everyone stopped talking about it ?
punkman: "Euro Area said to agree in principle to €7bn #Greece bridge loan. Eurozone bridge loan to Greece would be announced tomorrow"
mircea_popescu: "(iii) COLOUR FEELING. The old-style contemptuous attitude towards 'natives' has been much weakened in England, and various pseudo-scientific theories emphasising the superiority of the white race have been abandoned.[Note, below] Among the intelligentsia, colour feeling only occurs in the transposed form, that is, as a belief in the innate superiority of the coloured races. This is now increasingly common among Englis
mircea_popescu: h intellectuals, probably resulting more often from masochism and sexual frustration than from contact with the Oriental and Negro nationalist movements."
punkman: I'm wondering how they'll limit outgoing transactions if/when banks reopen
punkman: problem is greece imports too much stuff
mircea_popescu: if it imported half that much it'd be in much better a shape.
mircea_popescu: anyway, 30% tax is what the usians are doing, and there aren't multiple thinkers going in the western world, so.
mircea_popescu: "Nationalistic attachment to the coloured races is usually mixed up with the belief that their sex lives are superior, and there is a large underground mythology about the sexual prowess of Negroes."
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this stupid shit' sapparently a century old.
mircea_popescu: ironically, the anthropologic record is unmistakingly opposite : black WOMEN have a lot of sex.
cazalla: ya seen black women lately though? make hottentot look like a size 6
cazalla: not sure i've even come across samoan/poly/maori women in porn before
davout: mircea_popescu: ohai plz to x.eur
cazalla: "There are an estimated 100,000,000 users on PlentyOfFish." sounds like plenty of fish to me.. anyway this guy use to be a regular on wickedfire.com and got that site started creating fake profiles back in the day
nubbins`: with ASP.NET technology, no less.
cazalla: ah well good on him, never took the startup route with investors and shit
nubbins`: turns out if you wait long enough they'll suck your cock instead of the other way around
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is possibly the oldest rule in the book.
nubbins`: does the site even make money these days?
nubbins`: used to be free / ad-supported
nubbins`: hawaii, to me, seems to be a nice place to visit but a really shitty run-down place to live
mircea_popescu: i don't see that it'd make enough to pay for the servers.
nubbins`: sort of like how i imagine florida, complete w/ meth heads
nubbins`: ;;google the island of newfoundland
nubbins`: labrador ("the big land" is around 300km^2
nubbins`: nf is notable for being one of very few places in the world which has its own name in the irish language
nubbins`: the irish, in turn, blessed nf english with such words as "scrob", "streel", and "sleveen"
nubbins`: as well as several bizarre grammatical structures
nubbins`: e.g. "Oh, he's already after leaving"
HeySteve: "there's a bunch of fish in the sea... but how do you catch one if your line's so short!"
nubbins`: "He got a few curious looks as he strode forward in his sleek black gear, but the fast-walking New Yorkers didn’t slow down or clear space for him."
nubbins`: imagine, midtown manhattan and people didn't clear space for a guy wearing something weird
nubbins`: "The ReWalk 6.0 has a steep list price: US $77,000. Woo said there’s no chance his insurance provider will reimburse him: “They won’t even pay for my wheelchair,” he said."
HeySteve: "stair mode hasn’t been approved by U.S. regulators yet, so ReWalks bought here currently have that function blocked."
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nubbins`: canadian regulators apparently DGAF and allow stair mode
nubbins`: "Home cooking is still the best way to control the calories, fat, sugar and other nutrients that families consume, a new U.S. study suggests."
nubbins`: can you purchase forks specifically made for poking eyes out?
mod6: hanbot: 51k CDG!! wd :]
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fluffypony: this is my favourite slide from the Bitcoin Africa conference
fluffypony: I tore into that moron on Twitter for that, and that's what led to me being banned from attending in future
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assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:03:19; asciilifeform: trinque: or the open src 'elephant'
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was nattering to trinque that i wanted a pure lisp database just last night. "here are some CLOS thingers: return me the ones of interest"
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ben_vulpes: o rly? what on earth does it need ffi for
ben_vulpes: (i can see why a bdb impl would need it)
ben_vulpes: making persistent cl objstores sounds seriously useful
ben_vulpes: especially if i can get multi-box access to the data store
ben_vulpes: no shit alex mizrahi's maintains elephant?
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mats: ya'll need to cool it with the hate bandwagons, curiousity about how things work is a superior and more palatable approach
☟︎ mats: nobody gains anything from a circlejerk about how machines suck
danielpbarron: my pogo is currently -connect'd to ascii's thing, now is getting blocks in a reasonable timeframe
danielpbarron: i don't think it can fully sync anymore as-is without direct connect to a "blessed" node
danielpbarron: what with this nonStandard tx spam probably being the new norm
danielpbarron: gets bogged down trying to recieve and relay so many spam transactions
thestringpuller: That was happening on my full node too so I had to shut it down.
danielpbarron: the blocks themselves take no more than a few minutes to verify, but it isn't always verifying blocks
danielpbarron: i think much of the issue is solved with BingoBoingo's patch that lets 0.5.3 bitcoin.conf have a line defining the minimum tx fee for relaying
thestringpuller: Does it max on it's bandwidth or is it slow in "verifying" new tx's?
danielpbarron: i don't know enough to answer that, but i doubt it's bandwidth
danielpbarron: although come to think of it, my home internet did seem kinda sluggish as of late
thestringpuller: Also I thought if your mempool doesn't match another node's that node will isolate you.
danielpbarron: could be coincidence, like summer people on vacation flooding my shared cable lines
danielpbarron: all i care is, do other 0.5.3.1 nodes like me? ok good.
thestringpuller: 0.5.3.1 nodes are sleeper cells atm too, (vis-a-vis ascii's node being recognized by bitnodes.io)
thestringpuller: I found that during the "spam attack" my node was using almost 90% of it's upstream bandwidth relaying transactions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00054542 = 22.5258 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: "Why don't you let people define their own abstractions, and put the abstraction mechanism into the language?"
Naphex: Will be launching a non x-rated Xotika.TV spin-off called otika.tv. For whatever people wanna stream that doesn't need lots of disclaimers ;]
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 275.85, Best ask: 275.86, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 275.85, 24 hour volume: 53972.57780706, 24 hour low: 275.21, 24 hour high: 295.0, 24 hour vwap: None
jurov: danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: wd, pogos arrived complete with "no customs duty" sticker
jurov: daniel dutifully declared "Business" as NO SUCH LABS, i grinned all the way back
trinque just brought "monolith" up on gentoo
trinque: so much room for blockchainz
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> kill the mempool, kill the relay << On some level relay is still necessary.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14090 @ 0.0005475 = 7.7143 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 11:38:13; mod6: hanbot: 51k CDG!! wd :]
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 11:56:10; fluffypony: I tore into that moron on Twitter for that, and that's what led to me being banned from attending in future
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 14:21:09; asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support
mircea_popescu: should insta-ban a node sending that, just waste of bw.
thestringpuller: but i'll email you as soon as I get to my home machine. probably will boot it up tonight instead of reading comics.
diametric: i explicitly use it to save pms, and it fails at it.
gribble: I have not seen gavinanderssen.
mod6: <+jurov> daniel dutifully declared "Business" as NO SUCH LABS, i grinned all the way back << :>
gribble: I have not seen gavinandressen.
gribble: GavinAndresen was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> I’ve gotta go. Pierre_Rochard, nice chatting with you.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: as of this morning, 'zoolag' was fully synced and happily serving 40 or so connections
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen how's the moore law coming along, shithead ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field good. i still can't get my nodes to eat the block in question.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i suppose when you quit using that thing and post the src, i will be able to tell you why !
mod6: << nuts huh << off of a Tiny, with 1 BON!! that's one for the books
ascii_field: it'd take all of half an hour. but anyway.
mircea_popescu: the big problem intel faces is that in a world where you can get a billion dollars for free just for being where the pellet landed in iraq,
mircea_popescu: it makes very little sense to actually bother even trying to get the fine shit alligned
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nubbins`: "And the defect rate is particularly notable; at inception the software was unusually free of defect. Unlike many other initial Bitcoin packages which in their first releases were full of crashes and deadlocks Bitcoin was nearly free of them. Most of the serious bugs fixed subsequently were added by other people."
nubbins`: ^ guy disagreeing with hearn's opinion that satoshi's code was diarrhoea splatter
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mircea_popescu: they were added by you (ie, hearn), and by gavin and so on.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the claim is not that the original code is bad as in, bad penmanship. the claim is that the original code is no good as in, not sane design. this is consistent with a prototype and not particularly reflective on the capacity of the author.
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mircea_popescu: the chicken scriblings coming after were originally excused under the "they're kids and they mean well" header.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it became apparent that they're not kids but actually mentally retarded, and they certainly do not mean well.
BingoBoingo: <assbot> Logged on 16-07-2015 14:21:09; asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support << From my limited understanding it isn't Phoundation nodes, but SPV shit running Hearnia's BitcoinJ doing that
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 15:54:23; mats: ya'll need to cool it with the hate bandwagons, curiousity about how things work is a superior and more palatable approach
mircea_popescu: moreover, and more importantly, other than the "palatable" part, which is entirely your own aesthetic judgement, i'd like some substantiation as to the "nobody gains" part. how do you know this ?
ascii_field: nubbins`: yours? they look like cheapo surplus 9mm luger
mircea_popescu: as best i can discern atm, a curiosity steeped in burning hate is by far the best approach when dealing with maggot swamps.
mircea_popescu: such as you know, things written by english native speakers.
ascii_field: this is the kind of field i refer to as 'of entomological interest'
ascii_field: 'who said lawyer cannot be an anarchist? must a doctor love disease?' (eben moglen, rms's lawyer)
nubbins`: i don't have w/e paperwork is required to purchase guns or ammo
mircea_popescu: well, the role of b-a in most people's lives at this point is i suppose this critical if at times forcible examination of mental habits and automatisms they hold dear unexamidely.
mircea_popescu: ironically, half the time this happens in response to someone asking b-a to stop being so radically self-centered.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the root is, i suppose, the unwarranted expectation that choice predates existence, and that it necessarily is (not even by god's grace or anything, but immediately) accessible to "thinking people" which the subject will always see himself as. consequently, given that choice predates existence, and given that it is necessarily accessible, it then follows that one may only be informed by things one approves of.
mircea_popescu: so you know, if you decide you hate it then you couldn't possibly (in this worldview) ever learn anything from it, or even examine it critically.
mircea_popescu: so the doctor example is particularly cogent. the doctor, and more generally the scholar (called scientist these days) is the person whose curiosity is inflamed by what makes others puke.
mircea_popescu: a rare enough trait, which is why periods of abundance do not increase the population.
ascii_field: think of the fella who first loaded own spoodge onto a microscope slide.
mircea_popescu: things like how trilema shapes the future irrespective of how many derps deem themselves to be "offended" by it and attempt in their meagre way to resist are obviously not well explained by that theory.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he had a slide on how Bitcoin solves the Byzantine general's problem
mats: it is certainly an aesthetic concern
mats: and here is why: i don't think its possible to be a good reverse engineer when you approach odd design choices with contempt rather than curiousity.
mircea_popescu: do you suppose torquemada was the worst anatomist of his age, because unlike the other jews, he was contempt-powered ?
mats: because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did
trinque: mats: sure you can; you never smelled something even though you already knew it was rotten?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the reverse case can also be made. no mother i ever met was actually aware how shitty her offspring was.
mircea_popescu: and i do mean this no. prolly met more mothers than you met reverse engineers, too.
mircea_popescu: anyway. historically there's no impact. for many years teachers soundly and loudly despised their pupils. this resulted in a large mass of insecure, neurotic schmucks, freud fodder. for some years now teachers loudly and perhaps soundly love their pupils. outside of a few cases of coabitation which are apparently a criminal offense for some contorted reason (what sense does it make, you asked them to love the kids didn
mircea_popescu: 't ya ?!), the result is a lot of obnoxious, self-centered, lazy twerps.
mircea_popescu: the proportion of actual humans coming out, about the same throughout.
nubbins`: <+mats> because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did <<< those who think they know X have those who know X outnumbered hundreds of millions to one
mats: if you hate something, thats fine, but i expect specific and reasoned judgment; its well and good to despise node.js, or javascript, or c++, but i catch a funny smell in here when folks more or less coopt the opinions of their perceived betters
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this is universally a bad habit anyway. heck, not doing THAT is even in the rules, such as they are.
mats: it stinks of intellectual laziness
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that you can't have people mechanically NOT follow their betters just to maintain the shattered scabbard of an "intellectual independence" they do not actually possess.
mircea_popescu: in short, unpalatable as this is, im afraid it'd be a field where no formal examination is possible.
trinque: ftr I listened to the talk; the way the man thinks is a perfect representative of a mind which makes incremental changes based on "real world pragmatism" without ever reviewing the whole history of the field and designing from that perspective.
trinque: I deeply and passionately resent everyone in the field which put systems such as these in my lap and told me they were "industry standards" and so on
trinque: and am glad I didn't waste more of my career.
mircea_popescu: yet most of everything that works was built by people doing the incremental bs.
ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i think actually curtis yarvin is a very fine example of what's the problem with derps "reviewing the whole history"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: titanic is the quintessential 'industry standard' - recall the piece re: the officers ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: I see that point too
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the problem lies with 'derps' not with the 'rewrite'
mircea_popescu: ascii_field beheading the popist priests will not banish gluttony from your lands, kind sire.
ascii_field: does not follow that the heads ought to stay on; gluttony no - simony - yes
mircea_popescu: but yes, it does not follow that the heads ought to stay on.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 19:27:19; asciilifeform: re more important than experimental results. Lightoller, in effect, put traditions and customs ahead of the lives of passengers. To him, “the experience of years” and “what we have always done” outweighed all practical suggestions as to what we might do instead, to avoid killing thousands of people.'
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punkman: ascii_field, what did Lightoller do?
mircea_popescu: he just got stuck trying to make it work afterwards, and got his ears nailed to the headboard when he couldn't.
ascii_field: he was the one fella who got nailed 'for buying ibm'
mircea_popescu: at the one time when buying ibm was actually the rigfht move.
mircea_popescu: because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "During the following 24 hour period, our CRS was able to identify vulnerabilities in 65 of those programs and rewrite 94 of them to eliminate bugs built in their code. This proves, without a doubt, that it is not only possible but achievable to automate the actions of a talented software auditor."
mircea_popescu: doesn't this prove without a doubt that half the bugs were left behind ?
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mats: well, yeah. its a hard problem
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 21:12:54; *: ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 02:55:29; asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: i don't recall mircea_popescu ever devoting a whole article to specifically that one. his position, iirc, is 'satoshi lost the keys'
mircea_popescu: the satoshi hoard poses very little threat to bitcoin as is. the real threat is, an ~ACTUAL~ bitcoin client emerging, that's thje actual son of the original, not a bastardized clump of nonsense.
mircea_popescu: normally the switchover from prototype to actual product might have needed a little prodding, so reserve funds make sense, yes.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i wouldn't presume to be the only one pushing the heresy, no
mircea_popescu: but in actual fact the usg idiots have done such a good job at burying themselves, that it likely wouldn't even be needed, today.
mircea_popescu: "orthodoxy" is such a laughingstock people'd just switch with a sigh of relief.
mircea_popescu: you never can know whether you have or have not considered "the history", for the plain reason that history is something you only know once it no longer matters
mircea_popescu: (formally, once it no longer can be used to make predictions)
ascii_field a little confused. possibly from too much x86 asm today
ascii_field: the more i work with the eldritch horror, the less respect i have for this 'messiah'
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 21:39:10; mircea_popescu: because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research
mircea_popescu: ascii_field nevertheless, the strategic considerations involved are what they are.
mircea_popescu: the very notable reserve power behind it all is not the hoard.
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: aha, lightoller did his thing ~long before~ the ship began to sink
gabriel_laddel: there was one man who wanted to prosecute the IBM fella, and I can't remember his name...
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what is the 'reserve power' here ?
gabriel_laddel: mats: don't be shy, name names! Who in here is faking their hatred?
ascii_field: if it is the intellectual authority behind satoshi's key, i must confess i have my doubts
mircea_popescu: but as things stand today, after two years of idiocy from the stooge camp, your doubts would be a weak minority even without it.
ascii_field: so mircea_popescu would run a festering heap of shit like bitcoin 0.1, so long as it were signed with satoshi ?
ascii_field: i'll confess that my first thought, if anything were ever to appear signed with satoshi's key, that he has finally been found, killed, and usgificated.
mircea_popescu: there is no structural way to scoure a message outside of it.
mircea_popescu: moreover : the solution to the challenge is plainly there.
ascii_field: but this brings us back to the question of whether mr s has ~intellectual authority~
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Easy mode is the only real way to play most new "AAA" games while determining which of one's failures are due to the game's inherent challenge vs. The game being an unfinished piece of shit