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assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 06:24:02; BingoBoingo: Wait, you don't drink it all by the pot?
jurov: but i started to mix it with cereal/chicory coffee to make it easy on stomach
BingoBoingo: Ah, a couple days after I open a can I'll start adding cold milk to it when I pour for the same reason
BingoBoingo: I don't really have chicory around this time of year
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assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 19:42:04; trinque: and obviously the hardware's all rotten too; I get that, but that's not an argument in favor of linux.
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mircea_popescu: nono, in flavor of linux. like, in the style of bosch.
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 20:19:25; asciilifeform: anyone ever build a working trb on openbsd ?
BingoBoingo: I have a partially trb-icized 7 series in the name of implementation pluralism. No earthly idea what all changes happened.
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mircea_popescu: besides, as per satoshi's argument ("no, don't bring it on"), might not be the smartest thing in the world to give drepper incentive to exist on bsd anyway
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On OpenBSD. It's the one I chopped together mostly while drunk and still works.
BingoBoingo: Dropped in low-s a month or two (mebbe 3) before trb, has -minrelaytx flag, from trb orphanage slaughters and malleus were definitely implemented. Other things but would take reading to recall them.
BingoBoingo: oh? did they drop the old bottle with the precipitated peroxides already?
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 23:13:58; *: ben_vulpes shits in sink, eats from toilet bowl, never knew to do anything else before 2013
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Seriously, they heated their Ether up into a gas?! No wonder it is already hardforking everywhere.
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ben_vulpes: why are all of the self-hosted rss readers written in php
fluffypony: ben_vulpes: because PHP is secure and easy to use
fluffypony: everything should just be written in PHP
fluffypony: Bitcoin should switch to the Timekoin codebase
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00059143 = 15.6433 BTC [+]
fluffypony: btw did anyone else notice that RealSolid is back?
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assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 05:12:12; phf: ben_vulpes: i'll take at look in the next few days, but one quick comment, fwiw i built it on a 32-bit openbsd.
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 05:13:29; phf: the goal was to run it on a libretto and try to eat the first couple of blocks, but it wouldn't even connect to rpc for whatever reason, so i gave up on the whole distraction
phf: now that there was a suggestion of treating specific openbsd version as baseline, i think problem was that i built in on one openbsd and tried running on another
phf: node was running fine inside a virtualbox openbsd though, same one that i built it on.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony> everything should just be written in PHP << word.
phf: asciilifeform: they take a "we'll make sure to break abi, rebuild from source every time" position
mircea_popescu: in other news, til i learned that the criteria for "fridge big enough" is : if one discrete item won't fit, push. if it now fits, fridge is big enough. if it still won't fit, "wtf is with these tiny-ass euro style fridges already!!1"
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was tempted throughout eulora lifetime to go "fu, no binaries, compile, always". and i can still contemplate why this would be the case with trb.
mircea_popescu: heck, isn't the whole v system technically speaking just this ?
mircea_popescu: the brothel is also "just another way for housewife to win", at least according to her.
phf: i thought whole exercise is to produce byte to byte equivalent binaries, as another step in verification process. "sealed vpatches -> press -> binary -> shasum"
mircea_popescu: where this comparison breaks down is that your biology is fundamentally cunt-based and perl-run. you necessarily respirate the ddt. meanwhile, your mental life is supposed to be hermetic and under your control. you shouldn't fucking respirate the environment wtf.
mircea_popescu: for they not blessed with knowledge of actual languages, there's significant aspectual difference between "is to produce" which talks of the state, like to be, and "produces", which talks of movement.
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ben_vulpes: the only line i have for coworkers and plebs on this topic is "you haven't thought for half a second why the /nsa/ didn't bring this suit?"
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ben_vulpes: the fbi's side - why would they argue apple's side?
ben_vulpes: but really it's ambiguous for a reason
ben_vulpes: got someone bought in on the "drop on first packet or gtfo" mentality, but still have to conquer the "well first you have to transfer the IP buffered packets into user space" mindset
ben_vulpes: "because lol what we're going to fab our own chips?"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's your cad poison of choice?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> got someone bought in on the "drop on first packet or gtfo" mentality, but still have to conquer the "well first you have to transfer the IP buffered packets into user space" mindset <<< can you say this in other words ?
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ben_vulpes: "yeah man! big challenge though is to get it to operate at line speed."
ben_vulpes: "pff line speed. you still need to get the buffered packets from the kernel into userspace, and that's an abstraction you'll have a hard time getting around."
ben_vulpes: because the counterparty in this conversation is not thinking of gossipd as a device but a proggy that runs on a computer.
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mats: did you actually write the routines in asm?
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> if so much as 1 packet per billion is valid. << this sounds like the ticket.
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and the reason you picked tinyscheme over say ecl is...footprint? dreppers in ecl?
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ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer
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ben_vulpes: while last night the swank flags worked just handily, tonight, passing the swank flag to a booting bitcoind results in an error, "too short", from scheme.cpp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52330 @ 0.00057932 = 30.3158 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: running the /exact same/ bitcoind command runs something that i can telnet into and scream lisp at
botneko-chan: Why all that panic about filled up backlog and slow transcations? Sent btc today with 0.0005 fee and it got 6 confirmations in 2h
ben_vulpes: there's no actual panic, botneko-chan. there are a zillion for-hire-for-pennies social media accounts supporting some nsa plants attempts to matter with kindergarten grade psyops.
ben_vulpes: phf, nevermind, i'm a classic core derp
botneko-chan: I mean main bitcoin dev team and so, not a forks like Classic or XT
ben_vulpes: what do the Core people think about increasing the block size?
botneko-chan: I'm actually not very interested in btc politics, but in my opinion if increase block size then miners would get less profit from tx processing when there would be no new btc mined. Mining would become non-rentable and hashpower will decrease after some time then making easier for someone to get 51% just by turning on ol ASIC that was turned off because of low profit. I'm okay with current blocks and higher fees, in my o
☟︎ botneko-chan: not for cents, there is need to design overlay network for faster low-fee small payment processing instead of increasing block size
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ben_vulpes: not interested in btc politics botneko-chan ? just in it for the ddos?
botneko-chan: I'm using bitcoin and like it, but wasn't tracking fork-related discussions before someone payd for DDoS'ing Classic
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assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 16:52:56; ascii_butugychag: blackhole results when the worker thread (the one that handles nearly everything) is wedged
ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ cazalla: thanks ben_vulpes, good evening :)
punkman: ben_vulpes: compiles pretty fast
cazalla: ben_vulpes, i wonder which i actually value more :P
ben_vulpes: hm actually i upped you so how would i know
cazalla: well, i just auth'd so no matter
ben_vulpes: yeah, i saw the second go through, but i don't think there's a guarantee that *you* did the second one.
punkman: ben_vulpes: a few seconds maybe
ben_vulpes: !up SuchWow if you have complaints to render feel free to do so here
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ben_vulpes: i'll not talk to any 'staff-emeritus' in pm
SuchWow: ben_vulpes: i have no complaints lol
SuchWow: whatever, it's literally true, it's just a tag, get over it lol
ben_vulpes: well i'm just having a conversation with an old friend i haven't seen in a few weeks, but thanks for getting involved!
SuchWow: hey now, you upped me lol :)
cazalla: still have those dogecoin investments SuchWow ?
ben_vulpes: anyways, how's the second cooking, cazalla ?
SuchWow: cazalla: nah i stopped trading about 1.5 years ago, and have been working IT ever since, no time for trading
cazalla: ben_vulpes, good, missus looks bigger the second time around for some reason, prenatal appt with nurse today confirmed that as well
SuchWow: i still watch charts and chatter daily just to keep up with it for fun tho
cazalla: girl, due early june, 5 months, not sure on weeks top of my head
cazalla: ben_vulpes, how's your little one?
ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2
☟︎ cazalla: i am looking forward to those things again, times seems to have gone so fast with the first, one moment he can barely roll and lift his head but now it's all walkin' and talkin'
cazalla: yeah, a boy named Noah, he turned 2 January just gone
cazalla: all good, kids galore here these days, easy to lose track
ben_vulpes: starting to give a shit about his dad yet?
cazalla: i get more cuddles and kisses, but he only turns the tears on if mum leaves, not when dad goes out, doesn't seem to care as much
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:11:50; *: mircea_popescu is reasonably impressed. had ben_vulpes pegged for "this guy's managed to put himself in a texbook model of a place where guys crack".
cazalla: it's as hard as it is enjoyable
SuchWow: Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think about ethereum, meaning this chan in general
☟︎ SuchWow: i'm not super well versed, but it's come up enough to make me go hmm, plus those charts are cray cray lol
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 16:20:52; punkman: terminal: just salty that we didn't buy mp's cheap eth
cazalla: SuchWow, i don't really follow altcoins, so many of them, so many failures, bitcoin remains #1 despite all the 2.0 shit that has been promised to topple it all these years
punkman: 1 bitcoin of ETH at first sale is worth 30 now
SuchWow: cazalla: that's reasonable. i don't really either, it's just that it's been hard to NOT hear about that one over the last year
SuchWow: yeah pre-sale woulda been nice, but i don't blame myself one bit for not buying the hype
cazalla: SuchWow, even if it was the second coming, idgaf as it will inflate forever
SuchWow: wasn't there some thing where the algo was gonna force POW to stop and switch to POS even tho no POS algo had been invented yet
SuchWow: did they ever fix that i wonder
ben_vulpes: i wonder how the conversation drifted from parenting to shillcoins
☟︎ cazalla: not sure, from what i know it will change to pos at some point and then inflate the supply forever
cazalla: well, back to parent, ben_vulpes did you end up going ahead with co-sleeping?
ben_vulpes: putting the pressure on to get him into his bassinet more regularly
ben_vulpes: well he sleeps through the night, let's start there
ben_vulpes: stirs a mite, gets fed, goes back to sleep.
SuchWow: ben_vulpes: i just asked a question, why so butthurt
cazalla: from 3 months, my boy slept 7pm-7am like clockwork, but when teething began so did around 6 months of shitty sleeping
SuchWow: anyhow, i'll leave you guys to it, be well!
SuchWow: i enjoy our twice a year talks lol
ben_vulpes: some real horrific tiny house gypsy shit: 2 adults, 1 infant and 80lbs of ferocious lovedog in a queen bed
cazalla: well, he can always sign and collect it punkman
punkman: probably a bit late for that
ben_vulpes: probably more crowded than anything mircea_popescu engages in willingly, and i don't even like it.
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assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov
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assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 11:39:56; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov
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mircea_popescu: aghagaga punkman what the everloving fuck is that. companion cheesecake for "the graduate" ?
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assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 06:02:07; ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer
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assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:40:28; botneko-chan: I'm actually not very interested in btc politics, but in my opinion if increase block size then miners would get less profit from tx processing when there would be no new btc mined. Mining would become non-rentable and hashpower will decrease after some time then making easier for someone to get 51% just by turning on ol ASIC that was turned off because of low profit. I'm okay with current blocks and h
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov
mircea_popescu: "noisehole, bullshitter, blowhard, drunkard, sadist, rapist, all-around disgrace to the sad sad State of Bitcoin (and a passive-aggressive plagiarist, too, to top a cherry on the shit-pan-kake!)" da fuck did you do adlai !
☟︎ assbot: SuchWow is not registered in WoT.
SuchWow: sorry, i have split screen serverside msgs
SuchWow: so didn't realize my response wasn't going through lol. i
SuchWow: [08:48:40] <SuchWow> mircea_popescu: you guys are so pompous lol...i haven't been involved in crypto, trading or otherwise, for almost 2 year. Doge seems to fine, still has a small community (moreso than litecoin anyways), and i've been watching crypto in general just for fun. Eth seems interesting, but still not convinced.
SuchWow: [08:49:05] <+mircea_popescu> "noisehole, bullshitter, blowhard, drunkard, sadist, rapist, all-around disgrace to the sad sad State of Bitcoin (and a passive-aggressive plagiarist, too, to top a cherry on the shit-pan-kake!)" da fuck did you do adlai !
SuchWow: [08:49:05] <SuchWow> mircea_popescu: how is bitcoin and all of your various endeavours whatever they may be?
SuchWow: [08:49:16] <SuchWow> (i won't pretend to act like i know you because, i don't)
SuchWow: [08:49:46] <SuchWow> (just as you literally don't know me, at all lol)
SuchWow: didn't want to retype a paraphrase, sry
SuchWow: because of client, didn't realize wasn't sending
mircea_popescu: and yeah, i agree, dogecoin, like litecoin, all went the way of the bell bottoms.
SuchWow: the emeritus tag is much less than you guys have been making of it lol
SuchWow: you all have literally paid 10x more attn to it than myself lol
SuchWow: a dogecoin op became freenode dev, freenode decided to give aff cloaks for dogecoin project
SuchWow: for my time and service in being founding op of that chan
mircea_popescu: o brother. i've been trying to give servers and stuff to the freenode shitheads for YEARS
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SuchWow: i certainly don't claim that there was any logic to the decision, but if you've seen #freenode lately, and ANNs, a lot has changed around here recently
assbot: Logged on 19-02-2016 15:24:53; mircea_popescu: * #freenode :Cannot send to channel
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so much has changed it'll be an accomplishment if they last the year.
SuchWow: they said that a lot of this is really just resurrection of 'the old ways'
SuchWow: and not actually new changes in that regard
SuchWow: yeah i found that interesting as well
mircea_popescu: so what are you doing these days ? wanna test my mmorpg ?
SuchWow: having only been here a few years
SuchWow: working IT repairs/custom installs/refreshes/etc
SuchWow: currently vacationing in vegas lol
SuchWow: but the poker scene here has died so much over the last 5 years
SuchWow: that it's day 3-4 and i'm litearlly in my hotel room chatting on irc because this place just ain't what it used to be lol
mircea_popescu: yeah, vegas is yet another sanded harbor in the history of civilisation.
SuchWow: it's now a hotel-centric business
SuchWow: and casinos are the loss leader
SuchWow: cuz i used to come here all the time
SuchWow: <+mircea_popescu> kinda sad, for all who knew its past glory.
mircea_popescu: course that kinda ended in the 80s, just been soft-ish landing ever since.
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SuchWow: won a $3300 jackpot in 05, and had free room offers from Harrahs (caesars) for 2 years as a result
SuchWow: was living in Cali $50 plane tick, starte going just for fun
SuchWow: and never gave it back haha
SuchWow: finally they cut me off and said fuck you back lol
SuchWow: and back when they respected poker as well
SuchWow: that's the only thing i ever really did on my trips
mircea_popescu: well because it was the loss leader also. people went to lose money to champs just on the basis of hte brand
SuchWow: poker was always the loss leader, even during the boom
mircea_popescu: "oh i played with chow" "o yea ? how'd you do ?" "folded three hands!"
SuchWow: but now there is literally no tourist market for poker anymore
SuchWow: and half the rooms that have been jere decades
SuchWow: have closed or 50% in size/moved/etc
SuchWow: it's really sad for me to see that, but at the same time
SuchWow: vegas is still doing alright
SuchWow: it's just catering to a different ceowd
SuchWow: they also cleaned up all the hookers and homeless
SuchWow: like literally, poof, gone
SuchWow: it's becoming a destination resort town, with gambling offered as just one of several differnt options, no more special weighting
mircea_popescu: no more tables, no more cocktail waitress cocksuckers off duty waiting for teh winners, no more vegas!
SuchWow: it's all still there, people are doing it
SuchWow: and it's just no logner the focus
SuchWow: the hotels would almost rather you not gamble as much as before
SuchWow: and instead spend $20/day on hotel wifi
SuchWow: and the recently increased across the board prices
SuchWow: on literally everything in the city
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:02:12; ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2
☟︎ SuchWow: i am at a $30/night room at resort on Fremont
SuchWow: i'm in the wrong business lol
mircea_popescu: i mean there's some REALLY seedy places here, "hotel familiar" etc, literal hookers and bums,
SuchWow: $30/night has always been attainable on downtown vegas strip
SuchWow: it's all the *other* charges that are very targetted and new
SuchWow: 5-6 years ago when i was last here
SuchWow: now they're just like 'fuck it, rape them on services and amenities and drinks'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68000 @ 0.00059471 = 40.4403 BTC [+] {2}
SuchWow: i went down to the bar and got 2 heiniekens was liek $15
SuchWow: or stick $20 into video poker and is free lol
SuchWow: but nobodyu is doing that anymore
SuchWow: the crowd they are now attracting just gladly pays
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:04:23; cazalla: i get more cuddles and kisses, but he only turns the tears on if mum leaves, not when dad goes out, doesn't seem to care as much
SuchWow: it is kinda brilliant, and the overall atmosphere is much better in many ways
SuchWow: just not my style and not what i came for lol
SuchWow: but it is surely more profitable for everyone involved, so i get it
SuchWow: mircea_popescu: what do you think about the pres candidates
SuchWow: you think a lot, more than me even
assbot: BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 137.71 B (62%) on Yes, 83.19 B (38%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 20`618 (100`000 to 1) ... (
http://bit.ly/1KAXLHg )
SuchWow: someone linked it elsewhere earlier
mircea_popescu: i didn't even bet, myself. but i think it's pretty much on the money.
SuchWow: it's either trump v sanders, or v hillary
SuchWow: and i think sanders won't be 'permitted' 'able' to win
SuchWow: i think the whole damn circus is just a scripted mess to get hillary in
mircea_popescu: see there's this thing where they "prepare" future candidates. sanders may well get 2020.
SuchWow: which is fine, as she is the only candidate giving us the highest probability of continued stability
SuchWow: whilst simulatenously appeasing outliers
SuchWow: buy giving sanders more support than perot, nader, and paul cpombined
SuchWow: thus enforcing the illusion that we are all really choosing the outcome
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:06:04; SuchWow: Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think about ethereum, meaning this chan in general
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:08:51; ben_vulpes: i wonder how the conversation drifted from parenting to shillcoins
SuchWow: same hypothetical said about btc many times also tho
SuchWow: as i said, i enjoy our bi-yearly talks lol
SuchWow: figured i'd bring my a-game for once ;)
mircea_popescu: tis much less of a hypotetical, tis a factual. look into the structure backing it if you're bored.
SuchWow: if nothing else, proving that trust/relationship can be established even without use of ratings bot lol
SuchWow: mircea_popescu: you're talking about eth, but saying not btc?
mircea_popescu: i can't say i'm not flattered nsa's trying their idea of "the mp approach", but in the famed words of knight, "get the fuck off the horse!"
mircea_popescu: entertainment and trust are orthogonal matters SuchWow
SuchWow: how did we get back to politics lol
mircea_popescu: but yes, an inkling of trust necessarily must stem out of outside the wot.
SuchWow: did the gov't have anything to do with creation of btc?
SuchWow: (just hypothetical by means of same token)
SuchWow: i knwo is unfairly braod Q lol
mircea_popescu: well, if it did or if it didn't, it's not like the case of ethereum in any sense.
SuchWow: then how can we say it is or isn't
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 22:14:34; mircea_popescu: i'll have shu's head, and a few others instead.
SuchWow: (i am incredibly not well versed in eth tho admittedly, just the snips i hear here and there weekly on various chats/forums)
SuchWow: i certainly started watching that chart for fun tho, as i always do for btc/ltc/doge, a few months back
SuchWow: has been a wild ride, and i called a lot of the movement correctly
SuchWow: (but of course had zero invested due to no free time)
mircea_popescu: well, basically the story of eth is, "what if we made a b-a, except not on irc but in a spare closet at a usg-sponsored university, and we tried to get idiot kids on reddit excited and inept javascript developers contributing code and MAKE A BETTER BITCOIN in the sense that it'll suck where bitcoin hurts us."
SuchWow: now that's the most interesting tl;dr i've read yet
mircea_popescu: then i went into them financially and they actually burned a few millions propping it up, and that pretty much brings us to the present day.
☟︎ SuchWow: i remember them fundraising etc
SuchWow: and then suddenly it's a currency and it starts acting like dogecoin, value/price-wise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00059471 = 6.6608 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: which is fine and good - by now it's obvious it's cheaper to kill it on technical grounds rather than financial seeing how nsa can print money but can't really hire anyone but indians and idiots for the life of it.
SuchWow: except that it seems to be maintaining the illusion longer
SuchWow: do people even consider eth to be a beta
mircea_popescu: SuchWow hey, govt has a lot of experience running ponzis. heck, social security is still somehow magically protected by illusion.
SuchWow: i've seen the page listing all the amazing proof of concept contracts/programs
SuchWow: mircea_popescu: such is currency
SuchWow: it's all a sham, but it's amazing how long they've been able to prop it up and convince the vast majority of everyone to believe in it
SuchWow: what is the peewee word of the day lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47824 @ 0.00059379 = 28.3974 BTC [-] {2}
SuchWow: ok fine what do i have to do
SuchWow: been in vegas for days and not slept much lol
SuchWow: anyhow, all i wanted to say was: [09:22:08] <SuchWow> anyhow i'm gonna drift off for now [09:22:23] <SuchWow> thanks for the good convo, be well sir (and all)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24730 @ 0.00058609 = 14.494 BTC [-]
SuchWow: it's not like i ever talk lol
jurov: it's !up ... and you'll need pgp key even for eulora
SuchWow: Nothing I do in this chan requires "trust" as far as I can see
SuchWow: it's just irc, and it's a chan i rarely if ever speak in
SuchWow: yet i do once in awhile read the chat here just for fun
SuchWow: anyhow, it's your chan, i'll shutup lol
mircea_popescu: let's just say that being able to see opens new dimensions to your life you never could see before.
SuchWow: if i ever return to trading
trinque: guy's so tired he's speaking klingon
SuchWow: i will consider spending more time here, etc
jurov: and actually, this chan isn't much about trading anymore
SuchWow: then maybe there is no need for an enforceable trust system before one can speak ;)
SuchWow: i jest i jest, really going now lol
jurov: SuchWow: what about the code your ass runs on? no trust system needed?
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:15:43; ben_vulpes: probably more crowded than anything mircea_popescu engages in willingly, and i don't even like it.
mircea_popescu: but then again, i am youthful and inexperienced. also was not in bed with woman and her infant child.
thestringpuller: so classic got 33 blocks out of last 1000. it's interesting seeing the derps derpin'
mircea_popescu: trump didn't actually beat inflation, let alone the s&p.
mircea_popescu: the thing anon establishment ho fails to mention, however, is that S&P 500 is not in any sense a thing.
mircea_popescu: the difference between "S&P 500" and "here's a retrospective list of 500 companies I picked" is moreover slim.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.000594 = 17.226 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:42:04; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 06:02:07; ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.000594 = 12.3255 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I don't even know what people are revolting about anymore. It's like watching #occupy wall street with BTC
phf: ben_vulpes: i don't ever touch dependencies, so 40s for a full rebuilt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9836 @ 0.000594 = 5.8426 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00058888 = 22.6424 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35590 @ 0.00058699 = 20.891 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20041 @ 0.00059004 = 11.825 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00256578 / 0.00256578 / 0.00256578 (42 shares, 0.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00254515 / 0.00262764 / 0.00266872 (2153 shares, 5.66 BTC), 30D: 0.00253517 / 0.00274909 / 0.00332476 (9529 shares, 26.20 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00023293 / 0.00039403 / 0.00049913 (208514 shares, 82.16 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00059375 = 8.7578 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6783 @ 0.00059471 = 4.0339 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8917 @ 0.00059553 = 5.3103 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00059375 = 15.5563 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14347 @ 0.00058726 = 8.4254 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:54:05; mircea_popescu: o brother. i've been trying to give servers and stuff to the freenode shitheads for YEARS
jurov: how do i search in deedbot stuff?
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:55:33; assbot: Logged on 19-02-2016 15:24:53; mircea_popescu: * #freenode :Cannot send to channel
jurov: trinque what do you use to search deedbot's deeds? google sucksfor this, duckduckgo only a bit less
jurov: also, are you ok with me mirroring them often?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, joined #freenode typed out the above turns out i had no voice. shrugged an' left.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34986 @ 0.00059554 = 20.8356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16164 @ 0.00059585 = 9.6313 BTC [+]
jurov: omg there are 110M deeds?
trinque: jurov: please do not write a naive scraper that runs often :p
trinque: I have the logs in there for example
jurov: logs aren't so bulky I hope
jurov: did you set a limit at all?
jurov: huh but these are logs indeed
jurov: trinque: imma use wget, should be OK if your webserver sends right date headers
trinque: just nginx on a static folder, should
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 15:10:48; mircea_popescu: lol. brace yourself, that's also coming.
trinque: jurov: mind making sure it's returning not modified properly before cron job?
jurov: trinque , yes "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do."
jurov: may not work if you ever shrink files, but doubt that ever happens
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:18:16; mircea_popescu: then i went into them financially and they actually burned a few millions propping it up, and that pretty much brings us to the present day.
trinque: Anduck: learn from the above !!!1111!! ^
trinque: whether they intentionally sink the USD to try to push people onto a USGCoin, who knows.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:04:10; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:02:12; ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2
trinque: kurrency kontrolz for the 21st century!
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:04:40; mircea_popescu: $30 a night ?! such can't be had in all of buenos aires.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2986 @ 0.00059585 = 1.7792 BTC [+]
punkman: motherfucking branded vulns
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 19:48:18; ascii_field: 'It doesn't work when Nadia Heninger goes to sell Phuctor before Stanford - Nadia Heninger doesn't own Phuctor, and the actual owners are very much present and very much capable to bitchslap her into oblivion.' << actually, 'crime pays.' chick gets a phd and cushy sinecure, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion that nadia heninger "got" a phd and "got" a cushy sinecure, in the sense of got that you employ when you say b-a got x done is ludicrous!
mircea_popescu: if i feed the fish in my tank, it does not follow that the tankfish "got" food.
mircea_popescu: and once i fucking croak, they'll get a cat's paw magazine.
mircea_popescu: obvious is what stuff is that sits at the root of the tree of things and denies certain branches of thought
mircea_popescu: whether you are or aren't : the notion that what nadia heninger did is in any way related to what nadia heninger "got" is the core and the root of cargo cultism.
mircea_popescu: i am clearly not a any one thing, but instead "rootless cosmopolitan"
mircea_popescu: because yes, socialist notion of belonging is always built on some version of "plox to believe there is technology of prayer"
jurov: trinque actually, upon reading wget man, it will clobber html files because it always reads only the added range regardless of date headers :(
jurov: so (S)FTP or rsync would be better
trinque: jurov: only html is the index
jurov: and maybe some other stuff you forgot :_
trinque: I don't mind getting ya rsync, will have to be this evening
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70067 @ 0.00059681 = 41.8167 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: but what i personally take home from the whole "o noes, branded bugs nao" thing is that hearbleed REALLY hurt.
mircea_popescu: which is about as nice as all the derpage post-snowden.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00059625 = 14.6081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116139 @ 0.00059732 = 69.3721 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19431 @ 0.00059625 = 11.5857 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39583 @ 0.00059625 = 23.6014 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol what's with this trend of rewriting trilema poorly among the yuppy class ?
ben_vulpes: the hundred dollar store is pretty funny
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you see txn bf77bf5ec7c02f4027caab024d5581d82bdea97ab8d7d97aac856169c038dd31 on 173.73.235.152 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00059572 = 14.9526 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevermind, false alarm. meanwhile i see it propagated.
mircea_popescu: in truth the failure modes for discrete production processes on the bitcoin network are currently still innumerable.
mircea_popescu: my list is in the thousands and i am still regularly blindsided.
mircea_popescu: i know it sounds ridiculous, but however it may sound, it is the fucking truth.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 18:29:11; punkman: jurov: translation?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35587 @ 0.00059791 = 21.2778 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: a collection of rotten hardware running dubios kernels with ball of shit visual studio-level bitcoin implementation, expected to somehow do things.
mircea_popescu: but on the other hand - i can't fucking hire people for the love of everfuck. there is no such thing as a lowly bank clerk in bitcoin. everyone must be at above-phd level of tech awareness - yea, i know that doesn't cut it to be in b-a, fine, fuck you all, there are STILL 100k phds spewed out the world over who think themselves as they add to the pool of millions floating around that they are pdh-level! -
mircea_popescu: and EVEN THEN everyone must have access to the fucking top of the hierarchy because it is a GIVEN that everyone will encounter fundamental problems on a monthly basis.
mircea_popescu: if banks ran like this the average teller would look like a fucking safari hunter,
mircea_popescu: a nothing! i can't as much as have someone to clean the fucking floors.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162250 @ 0.00059813 = 97.0466 BTC [+] {4}
trinque: tcp 0 0 172.86.178.46:44113 185.30.166.37:7000 ESTABLISHED
mircea_popescu: do you understand how normal work works among humans ? bob has a widget factory, which needs a widgeteer, which is a job composed of 5 movements and 3 reaches, so he goes to the corner where kids loiter and goes "you there! do like this with your elbow! good. now read this list and apply it. every day."
jurov: trinque i was mistaken, wget does timestamping, so all should be swell... but srs 50kB/s? you serve deedbot over ADSL?
mircea_popescu: but no, in bitcoin it's "and if the clown car on the left comes unglued call this number and if the bla bla 5000 entries long"
trinque: jurov: you asked if there were limits !!!111!!
trinque: asciilifeform: should be a fleanode server
mircea_popescu: i happen to know what that is. ircd will just dump the highest latency users if it gets full.
mircea_popescu: skilled labour is what happens with bob and his factory.
mircea_popescu: skilled labour is hwat a carpenter does. he has 7 tools and 3 types of wood, and an absolute guarantee that his fucking board isn't going to spontaneously turn to marmalade.
jurov: trinque i'm used to limiting at ingress not egress. but i prolly disgress.
mircea_popescu: whereas what a doctor, or a lawyer do, independent professions and in no sense either labour or skilled, is to give you THEIR OPINIONS
mircea_popescu: entirely fucking different story from doing any kind of work.
trinque: jurov: gotta go do an errand, but when I'm seated at desk again I'll put some more thought into the section of my nginx config labeled "Fuck you, Anduck"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ikr ? and now we had to build money on top of it
mircea_popescu: fucking stupidest idea ever, should have tried building it on old crack whores first.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77450 @ 0.00059476 = 46.0642 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> anyway i specialize in making some selected subset of it actually WORK. << this much is true, yes. but you have a finite number of hands!
mircea_popescu: lol. well, the plan is working splendidly. who'd bother shooting you, you're rather easy to mothball anyway.
mircea_popescu: anyway. bill's up, i guess im closing down this phuctor server and eating the 2 month bill as cdb ?
mircea_popescu: this is how you end up volunteered for 1.5 shifts, you know.
assbot: BitBet - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 1.63 B (9%) on Yes, 16.49 B (91%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1KJwPbF )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59748 @ 0.00059874 = 35.7735 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33450 @ 0.00059044 = 19.7502 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: i dunno, originally it was a pretty good marketing tool.
Anduck: fwiw, i tried to pm with trinque but he kept ignoring me from the beginning. my script accidentally used his site too frequently and now he's doing this, annoying me occasionally with sudden "fuck you anduck" hilights etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00058703 = 13.5604 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36180 @ 0.00058608 = 21.2044 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78870 @ 0.000586 = 46.2178 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43850 @ 0.00059664 = 26.1627 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91050 @ 0.000586 = 53.3553 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38680 @ 0.000586 = 22.6665 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42895 @ 0.00058376 = 25.0404 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00059511 = 10.1169 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41650 @ 0.00059735 = 24.8796 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00058671 = 33.8532 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82749 @ 0.00058113 = 48.0879 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Issue 6648002: Make DBUS an optional dependency so Chromium can be built without it.... - Code Review ... (
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00058006 = 15.5456 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.00059742 = 34.5607 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: too bad we dont get elections more often
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25726 @ 0.00059592 = 15.3306 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 21:39:15; mircea_popescu: that trump thing's on fire
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113216 @ 0.00058388 = 66.1046 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 530800 @ 0.00057366 = 304.4987 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 271975 @ 0.00056977 = 154.9632 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138750 @ 0.00056924 = 78.9821 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00056877 = 26.9028 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00056877 = 7.9628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00056899 = 17.0697 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96259 @ 0.000569 = 54.7714 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00056856 = 11.3712 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: only if deedbot.org contains
trinque: the FAQ page specifies how to verify them if one has a deed bundle
mircea_popescu: aite just make sure some silly tidbit doesn't get lost and we find ourselves stranded
mircea_popescu: maybe try and verify one on the basis of the mirrored data only to be sure ?
trinque: yeah, just a matter of taking the deed bundle txt, performing sha256 and using that as the privkey, generating a pubkey and address from that
trinque: it would be good for me to post an example verifier on the site
trinque: adlai has done so himself, I know
mircea_popescu: well... the deed seals keep getting spent, so someone must be
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00056796 = 34.7024 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3524 @ 0.00056774 = 2.0007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16276 @ 0.0005677 = 9.2399 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52659 @ 0.00057157 = 30.0983 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: sooo... it pains me to say that bitbet was just on the receiving end of a concerted miner withholding attack.
mircea_popescu: specifically : a set of a dozen or so txn that were trying to pay out winners of a bet went out, only to be "ignored" by the network. they all spent the same inputs. this went on for about a week.
mircea_popescu: once a transaction that DIDN'T spend the same inputs was announced and confirmed, the OLD transactions were somehow found, and are now broadcast.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160428 @ 0.00056684 = 90.937 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: this adds an entire layer of breakage to the already broken bitcoin infrastructure. specifically - due to chinese miner collusion (and yes they do control over 50% of the network) it is impossible to guarantee payment at ANY point in the future.
mircea_popescu: because they can sit on a transaction more or less forever.
mircea_popescu: the damage in this case is ~17 BTC, which whatever - cdb.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER - bitbet will NOT ever make 2nd transactions for any reason and in any case.
mircea_popescu: this means that if you are waiting on a payment - you got to talk to a miner. bitbet will not further consider any complaints of this nature.
mircea_popescu: the problem is broadly speaking that bitcoin is not actually fit for commerce, and that fixing it necessarily requires changing the pow to exclude f2pool/antpool/etc.
☟︎ kakobrekla: afaik would not happen if you would select same inputs to be used for second tx or alternatively rebroadcast the first one
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this is what i was doing for a fucking week.
mircea_popescu: however - since bitbet publishes the payout addresses, it's trivial for them to know what to sit on.
kakobrekla: the currently unconfirmed tx has 0 fee ?
mircea_popescu: one of the many. understand that there was a set of these.
kakobrekla: and the 29 blocks confirmed one has 0.00022
mircea_popescu: the one you see now was broadcast originally saturday.
kakobrekla: one of txes with erroneous 0 fee also got lost after a 2 or 3 days a couple of days ago
punkman: gotta try to spend/move the old inputs to be sure old transaction doesn't suddenly reappear
mircea_popescu: punkman except spending goes through the same process generally.
mircea_popescu: if spending worked, the problem wouldn't exist in the first place.
punkman: myeah, but gotta wait until you succeed before sending 2nd payment
kakobrekla: the problem isnt bitbet being targeted. the problem is 0 fee and the fact you can know if uncofirmed tx is out of EVERYONES mempool.
mircea_popescu: but the whole KEY of the thing is that this "wait until you succeed" ~= infinity.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla understand : just because they picked one particular txn out of a set of txn they withheld should NOT be an argument they may bring.
kakobrekla: anyway, tx is unconfirmed at this time with 0 fee, it will take a while to get included in a block if it even will be. you can try to doublespend those inputs to a different address and save the btc.
mircea_popescu: and the one doublespending it with a fee is... not visible. right ?
mircea_popescu: b28245044ac784766b58dcef00750608400c43bd63dce0f8c41491bd9405ad3a
kakobrekla: that is the doublespend of de9bc173174f5ae97e7fe0d2e171647cade189c76f9cbe48f37494c973aca2e4 ?
mircea_popescu: well, i'm going to make more, and try to mine them and etc, but yes.
mircea_popescu: anyway. miners must be broken, burned and the land fucking salted.
☟︎ kakobrekla: its possible you are connected to a node pocket - trb do not like non-trb nodeas (ban hammer) so they are only left connected (mostly) to trb, not prb which you need if you want the world to see your txes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00056633 = 22.0586 BTC [-]
jurov: oh somebody reads my blog?
kakobrekla: anyway, given the current state of txes there is a good chance that evil 0 fee tx will get forgotten again
punkman: once you broadcast you can never assume it's forgotten
mircea_popescu: i personally think the only reason it's not mined yet is that there hasn't been a block.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: doesn't need to be in the next one. understand how miner collusion works.
mircea_popescu: as long as the competitor isn't mined, what's the hurry ?
kakobrekla: anyway, 'some party' cant order ALL the miners 'not to include' your tx really.
kakobrekla: can you share the tx hex of b28245044ac784766b58dcef00750608400c43bd63dce0f8c41491bd9405ad3a ?
mircea_popescu: how about that kakobrekla ! not bad for a 0 fee tx "in this climate" eh ?
kakobrekla: is not bad no, i guess the size and age did it just.
mircea_popescu: not saturday, right ? and not the one before it, when the bet closed
mircea_popescu: just now, an hour after the other one, all it needs is a block.
mircea_popescu: for the record, there are about 50k txn with a higher per-byte offering, and all of those have been in the mempool for ehhh i dunno, a week more than half hour ?
kakobrekla: i could easily get past fee paying txes with large and old inputs without fee months ago. i reckon this still stands.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47608 @ 0.00056821 = 27.0513 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so a tx is broadcast, saturday. it doesn't even register.
mircea_popescu: then it just so happens that tuesday night it's good enough ?
kakobrekla: you get higher priority when unconfirmed time rises, yes.
mircea_popescu: this is the smoking gun re miner collusion to scam bitbet. the loing and the short of it.
mircea_popescu: it was a 20 minute old txn at the time it was included in a block.
kakobrekla: you cant just delete tx from EVERYONES mempool
kakobrekla: for all we knowKnCMiner or whoever mined it, had it in his mempool all this time.
mircea_popescu: they're witholding blocks (what, you think the blocks you see are the blocks at they're mined ?!), they're withholding txn now, etc.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, had it in sidepool for 4 days, waiting to see if i repay it without doublespent. which i did. today. 2 hours ago.
kakobrekla: actually no need to rebroadcast in that case, you can just include in block - would not see it as uncofirmed at all.
mircea_popescu: understand : at the time you saw it as "broadcast" it was ALREADY included in a block
ben_vulpes: waiwut how does it make economic sense to not release blocks?
kakobrekla: it could be malicious act by someone who won that bet. saw a 0 conf tx and tried to take advantage of this what just happened.
mircea_popescu: you don't see nasdaq data straight, but with half hour delay
mircea_popescu: why do you expect you see block data ? chinese miners have their own pre-time network.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla only miners in control of well over 90% of hash can attempt this sort of inept shit.
kakobrekla: anyone could have done it as long as it fools you that it has been 'forgotten'.
mircea_popescu: in fact - once you have 51% you can withhold blocks forever with impunity - time works in your favour.
mircea_popescu: the only anyone who can destroy a txn is the anyone who controls the mining.
kakobrekla: flood of txes + 0 fee tx brings about good chance of falling out block readers
mircea_popescu: i can't comprehend what you're trying to argue here. you're roughly in the position of a prison warden facing an empty cell and a hole in the wall going "hey, water infiltration can sometimes make holes in walls"