mod6: ok and this goes back to the discussion this am right? re: sha(header+nonce) AND sha(digest+nonce) ? or did i read that wrong?
jurov: how is the digest from past blocks done?
mircea_popescu: it does. i specifically left the "hashing" undefined. it can be defined so both use sha3. or first stays as is and 2nd sha3. etc.
mircea_popescu: out of every Nth preceding block, the nonce-th byte is put in a string ; the combine hashed.
mircea_popescu: N is another twistable knob. can be 1, can be whatever.
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mircea_popescu: and yet another twistable knob exists : the nonce may be shifted before taking the nonceth element.
☟︎ mod6: it's too bad we're so time constrained on this, it'd be nice to see a poc of both : with shifting and without.
mircea_popescu: knob 1 above decides whether to obsolete current miners entirely or just partially, and is a [true] soft vs hard fork ; knob 2 decides how much i/o pressure to put on relay nodes ; knob 3 decides how much relay work to require in the mix.
mod6: well, i guess one could just add in the shifting and then make it a toggleable things.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's not entirely impossible to make the shifting a function of difficulty differential (note that there isn't a rule BOTH hashes have to be under THE SAME number. if there's two numbers, you could have an equalizer algo that does the shift moving)
mircea_popescu: but, obviously - the more moving parts, the more problems.
jurov: well then my comment still applies - miner can keep the nonce constant and churn hash1 by changing one transaction in a cycle
mircea_popescu: my modeling shows it'd be way the fuck cheaper to calculate nonce blocks than to try and churn merkel trees
mircea_popescu: now, your observation is correct in that this possibility puts a hard limit on how much miners can be raped.
mircea_popescu: but i don't think SUCH hard rape is contemplated at all.
mircea_popescu: the thing is, currently nodes only need disk ; cpu is wasted. ideally a node should use both, so that it makes sense to keep boxes as relay nodes.
mod6: all of this good information needs to go somewhere other than the logs.
☟︎☟︎ mod6: we need like a tmsr stenographer.
mod6: yeah, but i can't ever find shit. and these details are too important to be lost.
mod6: unless we use a flag, like BUTTSECKS.
mod6: then we search for that flag, and we see exactly where we should for whatever important topic.
mod6: dare i say, that I would lay out 10 BTC, 2 BTC per year for someone to handle this task.
mod6: hell, i'd do it myself, but there's no way i can keep up with that too.
mod6: naw, this is a mod6 request.
mircea_popescu: so do it on the foudnation and donate the needed funds to it.
mod6: the foundation makes money by not spending any.
mircea_popescu: and holy shit b-a is hiring like crazy, where are all the people looking for jerbs,
☟︎ mod6: <+mircea_popescu> so do it on the foudnation and donate the needed funds to it. << i guess i could just do that.
mod6: ben_vulpes: any thoughts on this? If I dump 10 BTC to the foundation, will you approve 2BTC/yr for a stenographer?
mircea_popescu: course the other end is harder. who can even do a good job of this.
mod6: jurov (who's got too much other shit to do)
mod6: asciilifeform (who is one arm shy of this job)
mod6: I'd even say TomServo or thestringpuller would be good candidates as well. Any wot regs.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 00:09:59; mod6: all of this good information needs to go somewhere other than the logs.
mircea_popescu: yeah but it's a certain sort of job for a certain sorta person.
shinohai: what would stenographer need to do?
davout: i saw this one coming :D
mod6: The key to this job is to save the really succint details of technical discussions surrouding future development. Needs just the right amount of information, too much will be cumbersome.
mircea_popescu: sorta like a careful bash of technical discussions rather than lulz.
shinohai: so make a state of therealbitcoin address for dummies?
mircea_popescu: shinohai no more like keep the notes organised so mod6 doesn't go blind looking for where the fuck i said about knobs and where was it.
mod6: shinohai: eh, I'd say more like a really well kept-up wiki, but yea, that's kinda the idea.
mircea_popescu: WHY DOES EVERYONE IN THIS CHAN STEAL MY IDEAS ALL THE TIME
mod6: *nod* yeah, needs to be editable in a way incase of mis-quote or something.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 00:14:09; mircea_popescu: and holy shit b-a is hiring like crazy, where are all the people looking for jerbs,
mod6: jurov: yeah, totally could be something that already exists like that sure. the realy problem is finding souls to actually DO the work there.
mod6: well, no one said you were gonna live off of 2 BTC a year, unless you live on the dock and eat fish-heads for dinner every night.
mod6: but it's a hell of a lot more than you get when you just volunteer for some shit.
mircea_popescu: for currently, it can at most get you in trouble, and that if you're lucky.
mod6: I'd even be open to the idea of two people splitting up the work there. Say, split 2BTC/yr between 2 individuals so that we get good coverage at all times.
mod6: Work amongst yourselves to decide who's on duty when so you don't have to worry if out of town or at whorehouse or whatever.
mircea_popescu: dude it's gotten so bad ~i~ have to ask for tmsr-pravda articles be translated.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 00:23:07; mircea_popescu: one does not live ON btc. one lives FOR btc.
funkenstein_: aha a separate hashing of solely the proof of storage digest, this looks like it could work
mod6: kakobrekla: if you don't like the weather, just wait a few days.
funkenstein_: could be added in a la myriad, with separate difficulty
mircea_popescu is starting to suspect this lecherous dwarf may be the only one who cavorted with the scamcoins enough.
funkenstein_: its a coin with multiple difficulties for each hash function they use
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30592 @ 0.00041989 = 12.8453 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: im sorry what other btc, the non existing one ?
kakobrekla: afaik the real bitcoin foundation collects btc not imaginary btc (at least bbet was sending those)
funkenstein_ retracts myriad scheme suggestion, it is broken
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 00:29:57; mircea_popescu: !s worthless
mircea_popescu: no but srsly. am i gonna also !s "dump massive" or you get the point.
funkenstein_: so in this suggested coin you have proof a pool operator (aka miner) has a full copy of the block chain
davout: mircea_popescu: btw, pls to read last x.eur statement, contains statement of collateral to be certified by mpex
mircea_popescu: davout i did read it. you had 40 btc deposited iirc, neh ?
mircea_popescu: i don't get all these people participating in "sealed" pseudo-legal proceedings.
mircea_popescu: there is no justice outside of the public forum. if party can not speak in public, it may not pretend like it has a case.
mircea_popescu: if you do - don't come to me to bail you out when they blow up.
funkenstein_: asciilifeform how long did you live in zimbabwe?
mircea_popescu: he lives in washington dc and doesn't care for term propriety.
funkenstein_: so you are comparing usistan to a place you know nothing about?
funkenstein_: you seem to like talking about it, i assumed you'd been there
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo WORLDSTARHIPHOP < ? << It's basically black youtube for fights and shit
BingoBoingo: Anyways worldstar isn't a tmsr thing, it's more an internet thing. basically If you sucker punch someone it is normally assault. If you shout "World Star" while you do it, it becomes instead a prank.
phf: that look like shift register, "some brain" indeed
kakobrekla: aha interesting concept but missing a lot to make it practically useful
phf: you read output by counting lit up leds
phf: at transmission rate
phf: su avionics were predominantly analogue, including space stuff, like trajectory calucations, until quite late in the game
phf: but i rarely see "sophisticated" systems outside of cute hacks like that rs232 visualizer. presumably have to be doing this stuff full time for years, with the explicit goal of solving computing problems using analogue means
phf: this is a borderline art project
phf: kind of stuff i'd see come out of martin howse's workshop (and his people)
mircea_popescu: dude, the "enemy" has enough trouble finding its own arse.
phf: defending against hypothetical lizard alf
phf: oh, ok, now things make even more sense
hanbot: jurov: yeah, totally could be something that already exists like that sure. the realy problem is finding souls to actually DO the work there. << i'd be happy to help out however i can. how far back do you see this having to go btw?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00042133 = 8.4266 BTC [+] {2}
phf: i periodically revisit his page for inspiration, but i suspect that's he's probably some form of northern european anarcho leftist, which now's been fashionable long enough to perhaps swing back to fascism again. in other words he will probably find b-a rhetoric toxic. but i'm guessing from spending much time with other members of that crowd
☟︎ phf: for all i know he wear leather boots and listens to martial industrial..
mod6: hanbot: hi, cool. probably would have to go back to at least the beginning of this whole hard/soft fork discussion i'd think.
punkman: "We didn’t see any of this happening,” Ramos said. “They’re saying Michael wanted to kill himself. We just don’t know.” She said that Michael Ford’s mother suffered a heart attack after police in Prince George’s burst into her house to search it following the shooting and that she is now at the same hospital as her son." << we just don't know, lol
punkman: oh wait I misread heart attack before station shooting
mod6: anyway, think it over for a bit. i'll get some coins into the foundation in a few days and then will try to write something up that can be signed.
phf: "if i cut the tape, he realized, my world will disappear. reality will continue for others, but not for me. because my reality, my universe, is coming to me from this minuscule unit. fed into the scanner and then into my central nervous system as it snailishly unwinds."
☟︎ punkman: speakinf of film, I've thought of doing backups on microfilm reels. Small reel holds 5k A4 pages or something.
punkman: yeah, some redundancy in the data, plus compression, then OCR
punkman: which should also work on paper
punkman: "At 42X Reduction, a 215 ft. Roll of Archive Microfilm will hold approximately 12,300 images"
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 00:03:15; mircea_popescu: and yet another twistable knob exists : the nonce may be shifted before taking the nonceth element.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9771 @ 0.00042134 = 4.1169 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00041975 = 2.4765 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: hanbot: it's hard to determine what is obsolete and what isn't in past logs, i'd do only new stuff from now on and go back only following explicit references
☟︎ davout: mircea_popescu kakobrekla would either of you guys veto my application for the job of bitbet receiver?
jurov: lol such careful approach
jurov pictures davout approaching the snakepit with stick
davout: jurov: well yes, this looks like an interesting job though!
jurov: yes, and glad to hear you're interested
davout: now whether both the involved parties think i'm qualified or not is obviously the first thing to clear up
jurov: i can't think of any possible serious objections
jurov: would surprise me if you'd be rejected outright
davout: that's up to the involved parties, wait and see
jurov: just the monkey on my back driving my fingers again, i guess.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32574 @ 0.00042099 = 13.7133 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00042091 = 13.5112 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00041975 / 0.00042038 / 0.00042134 (279487 shares, 117.49 BTC), 7D: 0.00041975 / 0.0004784 / 0.00053073 (12107697 shares, 5,792.34 BTC), 30D: 0.00041975 / 0.00055005 / 0.00059897 (70614688 shares, 38,841.89 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00041975 = 10.1789 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00041982 = 10.2016 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: i saw you with glasses on once, total accountant look. good enough for me.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to round up yest's discussion of intelligence : if your putative beast that eats its brain does so in an actual maximum point, then the behaviour of eating the brain is intelligent ; if however it does so in a local maximum point that is later within its lifetime invalidated by events, then the same exact behaviour was unintelligent.
mircea_popescu: this underscores the principal point about intelligence, which is to say that it is an ex post facto construction outside the object, and consequently it can not either be objective, or objectively measured.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: considered in general, "naturally" which is to say over an universal domain, "intelligence" is meaningless.
mircea_popescu: will may give restrictions of domain upon which an intelligence function may be constructed so it's coherent, but this then doesn't provide a method to justify the will upon which the whole construction is based.
mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental problem of ethics, that you can't have an intelligent justification of will, merely a willful justification of intelligence.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 13:40:36; mircea_popescu: i saw you with glasses on once, total accountant look. good enough for me.
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 00:50:59; mircea_popescu: i'm sure somebody somewhere has, why not. anyway : what do you plan to do to maximize shareholder revenue from bitbet assets ?
davout: that would be three-fold: not charge more than a few percent for the whole liquidation, evaluate all claims against bitbet in light of its actual contract (and more specifically, the 3.2 (d) clause), try to get as much as possible from the non-cash assets, and (quite importantly) not disappear with the cash
davout: (and yes, that's more than three points)
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 02:54:43; asciilifeform: why isn't he here, again?!1111
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 02:54:20; asciilifeform: i have not, it turns out, been keeping up with the fella.
mircea_popescu: i take it's because you were too jwz to have invited him already ?
☟︎ davout: mircea_popescu: ask something a bit more specific maybe?
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 00:52:46; mircea_popescu: do you have any sort of particular assets that'd likely help ? prior experience in doing this sort of thing (selling online properties) ? connections or otherwise some power putting you above others in some way ?
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 00:55:05; mircea_popescu: i don't think you take my meaning. have you for instance ever auctioned a domain name successfully ? are you well known in those circles ? anything ?
mircea_popescu: there's a list there. don't have to go through it as is, read it, think it through also works.
davout: well i did get that and read it, but i don't have any particular assets or connections other than my wot and history that put me in a particularly better position than others to do the job
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 03:10:26; phf: i periodically revisit his page for inspiration, but i suspect that's he's probably some form of northern european anarcho leftist, which now's been fashionable long enough to perhaps swing back to fascism again. in other words he will probably find b-a rhetoric toxic. but i'm guessing from spending much time with other members of that crowd
davout: so yeah, no particular mention of those non-extant things
mircea_popescu: much better stated like this than stated like you know, in the fiat wooden tongue. at least for my needs.
mircea_popescu: (to explain my thought process to the curious bystander - i would have seriously considered the application of a fiat-based receiver with provable practice but innocent of the wot over solrodar's ; i won't consider such over davout's. this means that in the past coupla days a window for some people to actually make their corpses useful to the world opened and closed - notwithstanding their or anyone else's pretense to
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 03:10:22; asciilifeform: even in JUNGLE CONDITIONS
mircea_popescu: phf for my curiosity, what's your classification of "b-a rhetorics" ? anarcho-neoliberal ? deco-existentialist ?
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 03:14:29; asciilifeform: that makes ... 2? 3? usg-authored corpses in the case now ?
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 03:15:03; phf: "if i cut the tape, he realized, my world will disappear. reality will continue for others, but not for me. because my reality, my universe, is coming to me from this minuscule unit. fed into the scanner and then into my central nervous system as it snailishly unwinds."
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435045 << you';re better off with digital storage than analogic. even for the narrow cases where analogic usually wins (film archival) it's on the grounds of "preserving the original item, which was analogic rather than transform it in some manner the lossy-ness of which we can't evaluate", nothing more.
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 03:25:18; punkman: "At 42X Reduction, a 215 ft. Roll of Archive Microfilm will hold approximately 12,300 images"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron an important point to consider is the data & i/o meaning of "1 petahash". if each single hash requires 256 bits of data to proceed, you are looking at 32 petabytes of data that has to move. in a second ? ouch.
mircea_popescu: i mean i know gavin-moore law will "fix this in the future", of course, but this isn't how engineering works.
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mircea_popescu: "The suburbs are doomed. Go rural or stay urban, where you at least have structurally defensible enclaves, as opposed to getting caught in the suburban net that was designed to put you at the mercy of teenage criminals when you are in your eighties." << to the uncharitable eye it'd seem south africa was actually an experiment rather than happenstance.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 08:25:22; jurov: hanbot: it's hard to determine what is obsolete and what isn't in past logs, i'd do only new stuff from now on and go back only following explicit references
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 13:46:44; mircea_popescu: this underscores the principal point about intelligence, which is to say that it is an ex post facto construction outside the object, and consequently it can not either be objective, or objectively measured.
mircea_popescu: IF you can stay carefully out in a domain where the newtonian approximation is close enough, THEN you'll be ok with that idea of intelligence.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just because one whore was easy doesn't mean all whores are going to be as easy.
mircea_popescu: and this one particular whore seems hell bent on making life miserable.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 13:59:23; mircea_popescu: i take it's because you were too jwz to have invited him already ?
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 14:24:58; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435045 << you';re better off with digital storage than analogic. even for the narrow cases where analogic usually wins (film archival) it's on the grounds of "preserving the original item, which was analogic rather than transform it in some manner the lossy-ness of which we can't evaluate", nothing more.
mircea_popescu: oh hey check it out, wikipedia manages a 5k word article on "allied invasion of sicily" without the words "cosa nostra", "mafia" or "vizzini". way to go, history by the retards, for the retards, a complete pie!
mircea_popescu: anyways asciilifeform : ever heard of one calogero vizzini ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, your idea of "auditable" maps exactly on my idea of "clearsign" yet you had trouble digesting that ?!?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: and YOU can just as well have a trusted computer to print out the digital store.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 14:51:01; mircea_popescu: "The suburbs are doomed. Go rural or stay urban, where you at least have structurally defensible enclaves, as opposed to getting caught in the suburban net that was designed to put you at the mercy of teenage criminals when you are in your eighties." << to the uncharitable eye it'd seem south africa was actually an experiment rather than happenstance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he means something very specific by "structurally defensive enclaves".
mircea_popescu: it's a concept more correctly derived from crystallography, of which he's unaware :
mircea_popescu: amorphous pockets the energy of resolution for which exceeds the destruction energy for the crystal.
mircea_popescu: and in the domain he knows how to contemplate, he is correct.
mircea_popescu: "what could POSSIBLY happen if we badmouth and boycott german goods ?"
mircea_popescu: "i dunno, maybe most of you die in a large pit fire ?"
mircea_popescu: but the most interesting of all these threads - ever heard of one calogero vizzini ?
mircea_popescu: so it does. it's one of those bits of reality that keeps repeating.
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mircea_popescu: anyway, impalement is what i'd do. established absolute ruler of great power and etc. isis isn't that, just a swarming mob. of course they prefer beheadings, manlier.
mircea_popescu: once they get an actual suleyman, impalements have a better chance.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 14:26:26; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435048 << if the nonce is not shifted at all, each digest is good for exactly one nonce. if the nonce is shifted one bit, each digest is good for 2 nonces. if it is shifted 10 bits, 1024 nonces. etc.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 14:05:47; mircea_popescu: (to explain my thought process to the curious bystander - i would have seriously considered the application of a fiat-based receiver with provable practice but innocent of the wot over solrodar's ; i won't consider such over davout's. this means that in the past coupla days a window for some people to actually make their corpses useful to the world opened and closed - notwithstanding their or anyone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, no. they'd have to get in wot and follow teh rules, of course.
mircea_popescu: and if i hire an immigrant irishman as a carpenter, that STILL means he's gonna carpent in fucking new york, not that i'm paying his passage back to dublin to make me some doors and window frames there. wtf.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron let's work an example. say the nonce is 7. this means hash1=f(header+7) and hash2 = g(digest(7)+7)
mircea_popescu: if in fact a shift by 2 was in effect, it'd be the case that hash1=f(header+7) and hash2 = g(digest(1)+1)
mircea_popescu: hash2 would have been the same for all nonces over 3, ie, 4, 5, 6 and 7. it'd have also been the same for all nonces under 4, ie, 0, 1, 2 and 3.
mircea_popescu: this means you get to do 4 old style hashings for each new style digest you calculate.
mircea_popescu: this because 2 bits = 2^2 = 4. had the shift been 17 bits, then you'd get to do 2^17 = 131072 old style hashings for each new style digest you calculate.
danielpbarron: how do you get to 1 from a shift of 2 away from 7?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00042133 = 6.657 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know i think comments are somehow broken ? i push teh button, nothing happens.
danielpbarron: your comment is approved although i did that after the archive
danielpbarron: if i'm gonna move off a pogo i'll use gentoo on whatever the replacement is
danielpbarron: just so happens i had arch on pogo already set up, so it was the easiest to get blog going on
danielpbarron: i think if i enable caching the pogo might survive all those hits at once better
davout: danielpbarron: i reddit'd your piece for increased pogotron ddos lulz
davout: danielpbarron: i may have an old ipnohe lying around if you ever feel like upgrading your blawg's hosting
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know, it occurs to me your idea to run a webserver on pogo may actually be very valuable.
mircea_popescu: see if you manage to apply alf's thing and if it runs well. if it does, a next step you can take is :
mircea_popescu: see if your isp is willing to give you a c block / upgrade your connection. buy a coupla bridges of 32 or 64, make a high voltage rectifier thingee, and power a bunch of boxes
mircea_popescu: people would prolly be willing to pay a few dollars /mo to rent an ACTUAL physical box, which means you can take a few hundred in exchange for a not-unreasonable upfront expenditure.
mircea_popescu: and since you have the wot at your disposal most of the costs involved in low end hosting (ie, keeping the scum out) you're insulated from.
mircea_popescu: if it can run an obscure wp blog, it certainly can run a bnc or whatever other such thing. much better security model than "i pay 20 dollars to dc hosted blabla-freedom.net"
danielpbarron: yeah i got another pogo doing my irc client; it was also doing my old non-wp website
mircea_popescu: (by a high voltage rectifier thingee i mean that iirc pogos draw 4.5 V dc. a > kv rectifier diode is twenty bucks or something, you can make yourself an item you plug into the wall and it feeds 100 pogos arranged in series out of maybe a hundy.)
danielpbarron: using an sd card for the userland, and in two cases both had the filesystem corrupted, which is why I had to try it on my sata-style pogo
mircea_popescu: 320V DC out of wall socket is a electronics 101 project ever since the times of hte b&w photo clubs.
nubbins`: i have three SATA pogos and two non-SATA
nubbins`: one may end up as a CUPS server
mircea_popescu: if one in 100 shorts you get a 1% increase, which they don't care anyway.
phf: mircea_popescu: i take rhetoric as separate from message. b-a rhetoric is firmly in asshole tradition, i.e. strong statements and the listener has an option to find the subtle point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you stop getting in the way of people doing things omigerd.
mircea_popescu: i'm going to power 100x 12 v transformers because wut, "i can't make things - gotta use chinese made!!1"
mircea_popescu: this brave new libertard world that "holds people as the greatest value", i am so sick of it!
mircea_popescu: phf methinks you may be alone in that interpretation. i for instance don't do the whole "accept as fairitale" thing.
danielpbarron: recall i already did the soldering thing to make adulterated pogo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let the man burn pogos. i will not change man to protect pogos. wtf.
phf: mircea_popescu: which interpretation? i'm saying that the way arguments are presented here is essentially "this is how it is, and you're an idiot for not grokking" as opposed to some other, perhaps subtler, forms of rhetoric
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i will remind you i am the one who plans to buy the ancient collection of chinese miniature emperors on rice beads
phf: european leftists have been inexplicably at war with trolling (which is a 180 change from how it was in the 90s and prior), somehow went from CRASS to respecting each others feelings, so takes some conscious effort to court some from that circle
mircea_popescu: anyway. powering a bunch of pogos in the discussed way is neither terribly difficult nor terribly risky. it does require some reading, of course. and it does deviate from "how things are done", which is a major asset.
mircea_popescu: shut up, if we end up back in 1890 you'll be thankful for dpb.
mircea_popescu: phf that change, incidentally, makes me completely discount the euro "left" movement.
mircea_popescu: they stand for exactly nothing ; one generation switch can change any major tenet.
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is EXACTLY what they are. the fashion world of ugly chicks and insecure betas.
phf: i thought there was some cool shit, RAF for example had a very practical nazi beurocrat cleaning program
phf: problem with being autodidact, 50s look as close as yesterday
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> what's easier than soldering a plug into a pre-prepped landing pad ? << ANYTHING that doesn't involve "pre-prepped". what's easier than marrying this girl your mommy splayed out on the bed for you ???
mircea_popescu: phf thinking about it, i think the switch has a lot to do with their delusional notion that they're somehow now in power.
mircea_popescu: a) i've on many occasions said, "this is stupid but will be instructive, proceed" ; b) you think this is about production, which it isn't, it's educational.
mircea_popescu: and from that same angle, the value of tmsr engineer is g(value of burned pogos)
mircea_popescu: and the same EXACT arguments you use could be used to persuade me (or at least a dumber version) to use java instead of tinyscheme.
mircea_popescu: "hey, it's not done like that since the 50s! the 50s sucked!"
phf: exactly same arguments i'd use to convince someone to use tinyscheme i can use to convince ~myself~ to use java..
mircea_popescu: get a customizable power bridge, link pogo, see how much it'll take before it falls over.
mircea_popescu: by now the bricks are so shitty, and tolerance so easy, it's surprising what "digital apparatus" takes in terms of abuse.
mircea_popescu: much more than analog apparatus of a century ago, that's for damn sure.
mircea_popescu: nothing prevents you from spending the 35 bucks for a roll of 100 caps.
mircea_popescu: eh, he CAN make a better series arrangement than what the brick does. for srs.
mircea_popescu: such is the power of artizanship in this day of industrial decay.
jurov: lmao mp publicly plots to kill danielpbaron by suggesting him to work with 300V directly from tap?
mircea_popescu: eh get out ; if he has a tv set he has 2kv or some shit in the house already.
mircea_popescu: (think about it - do you recall your ONLY complaint to date re dcs ? do you ? hm ?)
jurov: yay 2kv, why not? moar pogos at once!!!
mircea_popescu: jurov careful with the mw unit also. some of those - 10kv!
jurov: yes, why not steal from outdoor 60kV line diretly?
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BingoBoingo: <davout> danielpbarron: i may have an old ipnohe lying around if you ever feel like upgrading your blawg's hosting << I suggested "edgerouter lite" more OSen available than pogo to pick from
trinque: alrighty! trb wallet deedbug fixed.
trinque: the problem was txn malleation, which confuses the wallet
trinque: thx to mod6 for the highs lows patch, using lows is helping deedbot- keep track of his dust
mircea_popescu: trinque> thx to mod6 for the highs lows patch, using lows is helping deedbot- keep track of his dust << win.
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Agentzeromobile: Just saw a funny article wanted to post but not sure if I change tabs to copy if I will be disconnected... I'll try here goes... Maybe if I disappear you could revoice me when I come back?
mircea_popescu: wasn't this incident specifically. just, buying off rural/urban poor votes with refined sunflower oil / sugar / bla bla has been going on for decade plus.
Agentzeromobilea: Mr. Popescu was not an MP then, but was seeking re-election on a local council, reports the Telegraph. Despite it not being a seat in the national parliament Mr. Popescu saw fit to give away 60,992 kg of “grilled chicken”, ordering it in bulk from a local business and sending campaign volunteers to collect and distribute the meat. The prosecutor told the court every package of chicken was “distributed for el
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 02:31:01; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, romanians have been trading votes for years now. go in there with your smartphone, take pic of vote and id card, get 30 lei or w/e
mircea_popescu: anyway, this derp must be new, i have never heard of him.
mircea_popescu: anyway. by and large, the "cleanning out corruption" narrative is what happens to a colonized place, ie, after the top leadership was defeated.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's how the shit played out in the us ; and the scheme is systematically repeated in every colony of the reich hence.
mircea_popescu: purging of the middle level. next in line comes the "sensitivity" bs.
mircea_popescu: if it weren't for the pesky armed insurection, iraq would be "cleanning up corruption" as we speak.
Agentzeromobilea: Anyone heard of or looked at this book America Betrayed by Dianne something?
Agentzeromobilea: It's interesting, unless you are already familiar with this history... Likely in this room...
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assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 15:08:02; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu wrote about how s&m with 'safeword' is retarded
mircea_popescu: the problem with safewords isn't that they're in-band to any degree. the problem with safewords is that they pretend to recast s/M relationships into a circus approximation. the submissive partner may not pretend to option as to when, or as to how the dominant partner extracts his pleasure out of his hide ; nor may (ipso facto inept) third parties purport to misrepresent any sexual relationship in terms other than stuf
mircea_popescu: f occurring between a submissive and a dominant partner.
mircea_popescu: "sex with safewords" is sex exactly in the sense the guy playing king richard in a theatrical production is king richard, the historical personage. "sex with safewords" is at best a brat's wet dream, and in general prostitution, in the vein of the pedicurist or hospital nurse's job - but in no case has anything to do with sex, nor can it occur among sane adults.
mircea_popescu: it's what children do when they want to play house but are affraid of getting caught.
assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 02:21:19; mircea_popescu: "In the world where the media postulates social media as an absolute requirement of the modern era-- the era where everything is fetishized-- no one is permitted to make the distinction between a value and the picture of a value, they are made equivalent, so daring to criticize Randi's baby pictures is made to sound like misogyny or misobaby. It's not. I love food but if you ask me to look at a pict
mircea_popescu: this argument is still open. i certainly see what you mean.
mircea_popescu: the concept of identifiably separate bands is as much a presumption about the "adversary" (properly said, of the context) as anything else.
mircea_popescu: notably, the derpy gnupg manual indicates "telephone" as a out-of-band mechanism to verify key fingerprints. is this so ? since when until when ? did it work back when phones were still analog ? does it work now ? why / why not ? etc.
mircea_popescu: but it is also subtly different from the general band discussion.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it necessarily can be put in the header huh.
mircea_popescu: here. first line, the line index where signature begins. second line, the line index where payload begins. third line, the line count of the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: i will NOT take bad implementations of ANYTHING into consideration when designing anything.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's two steps to "but mp, some people are stupid, what should they do!"
mircea_popescu: "fuck them, cook them and serve them to the pigs. fuck i care."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there may not exist "nonprintables". as per your own theory!
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to give out the only workable way to make contracts since the fucking hansa
mircea_popescu: i can tell you. the text and the seal in the same place.
mircea_popescu: so no conveyance of one is possible without the other.
mircea_popescu: in the sense your ballsac is physically separtate from your penis.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm going to speak at a whore's convention. will bbl.
jurov: can't we have the signature just slapped to the end of payload?
jurov: "the goal is to have whole piece" implies it is seekable, thus feasible to scan the file for signatures from the end
☟︎ jurov: without any payload mutilations
jurov: is a file with some size
jurov: or we're getting rid of files, too?
jurov: this is unsolved problem?
jurov: m$ office and their ilk does
jurov: so your only "solution" is to force whole world to switch from bags of bytes to structured data?
jurov: but we're taling about exchanging stuff over internet
jurov: i guess he wants to sign semantics, not syntax.
jurov: no, he wants everything converted to plain english. maybe even 5-bit code without support for newline characters.
☟︎ jurov: and then sign that
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 22:12:05; asciilifeform: the -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- crud is ~exactly~ a safeword.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> jurov: how do you know where the end is ?? << You run out of tape and have to flip it to the other side
mod6: got my treeware SICP and ADA ref manual today.
mod6: danielpbarron: thanks for writing that up on your blog. the job is yours if you want it. i'll write up something formal and we can go from there.
mod6: be a few days or something. will let you know. cheers!