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mircea_popescu: $up ImHash
deedbot: ImHash voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: so i watched that alphadog movie elliot kid was all infatuated with.
ImHash: hi I'm from bitcoin talk
mircea_popescu: jesus christ is it a steaming pile of shit (with bruce willis and sharon stone, incomprehensibly). but the screenplay reads like it was written by reddit.
mircea_popescu: ImHash welcome ?
ImHash: what's gpg key?
mircea_popescu: $google gpg key
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard << GNU Privacy Guard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.gnupg.org/ << The GNU Privacy Guard | https://help.github.com/articles/generating-a-new-gpg-key/ << Generating a new GPG key - User Documentation
ImHash: lol I thought I could ask here :D
mircea_popescu: and in somewhat other news, http://www.villa-salo.dk/calendar.shtml
mircea_popescu: lol shinohai teh tardstalk folk are something else. "ok iam follow instruction your program". dude... buy a fucking period.
mircea_popescu: the ^ above is running a "fund management program". got a little confused.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1532275 << very, very neat mod6 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 23:24 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-August/000231.html
asciilifeform: exactly the thing that was needed.
mod6: it's about to be moot very soon i think :]
asciilifeform: how's that
mod6: makefiles. i just tested my changes with the deeds in place. works.
mod6: needs some polishing, and an appropriate vpatch and such, but yeah, we're close.
mod6: see, now, we have two different scripts; one to build while pulling items from the inet, and one for offline builds; the makefiles will combine these two capabilities.
mod6: eitherway, works to bridge the gap until that part is complete.
mircea_popescu: pretty cool.
mod6: im super excited.
asciilifeform: incidentally (and i have nfi whether this is obvious to people) the buildroot portion of rotor, the gcc build, etc. will be quite unnecessary on a box that is running a properly musltronic build built thereby already.
trinque: deedbot is becoming a package repo of sorts.
mircea_popescu: trinque somewhat unsurprising a major part of what we want notarized is computer code, in retospect.
asciilifeform: it is the way it is because it was actually the only way to get a repeatable and musltronic binary built on a heathen box.
asciilifeform: (i.e. a box where gcc was built on glibc)
trinque: makefiles don't rebuild the buildroot step more than once, so a gentleman could emplace that just as with the deeds, after having built one
asciilifeform: the up-side of rotorism is that you can build bitcoin for any cpu that your gcc knows about.
asciilifeform: trinque: it is unwise to treat binaries as portable.
trinque: nah, his own
asciilifeform: or to memorialize them whenever there is any practical alternative.
mircea_popescu: he did say "After the first time"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/643A139EF044F87F326F313092BDE22D60C79A81318BABB87AE5C142BC86B939 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 93717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.203.181.7 (ssh-rsa key from 189.203.181.7 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+189.203.181.7@mkj.lt>;
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/839ABB69349BD78F784309DB89D871C3CA284C1EF0E060E1FF3A19BEB3882351 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 93717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.188.126.28 (ssh-rsa key from 187.188.126.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+187.188.126.28@mkj.lt
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D60710F34429805CA983E018B19C9D0400E3978C6A4F97721303D362A1E9941 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 93717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.203.72.147 (ssh-rsa key from 189.203.72.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+189.203.72.147@mkj.lt
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F97816E68FFBD245AD39F3509A34B16D8F193D91A6125903354AB4CB383548F3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 93717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.203.181.149 (ssh-rsa key from 189.203.181.149 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+189.203.181.149@mkj
asciilifeform: mexico.
asciilifeform: ooooh and, incidentally,
asciilifeform: $s 93717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789
a111: 10 results for "93717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=93717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789
asciilifeform: ^ just of this.
asciilifeform: well, 9.
trinque: would be interesting to see a geoip map of these
BingoBoingo: $up Palaboy
deedbot: Palaboy voiced for 30 minutes.
hanbot: hey mod6 99994 test worked flawlessly for me tonight. also, my testbox seems healthy again, available for further whatevers.
trinque: asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3a02c655-f179-42b8-a710-26ec8bd2c0c1/?raw=true << a lot of Juarez.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: i would dearly like for the second click on a log timestamp to not populate the "from" query parameter (if that's even what that is in your system)
trinque: if we're making our complaints, slashes are not for separating parameters
trinque: URLs already had that
ben_vulpes: yeah, that's what my parens were about
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: if you're really attached to the second-click-extend-highlight-range, consider updating the anchor in the url to use the bottom of the range
BingoBoingo: Anchor to Anchor: The Log Story
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1516249 << surely there's more to it than "l2 only", right? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 21:00 mircea_popescu: the major problem in poker isn't "fair dealing", it's debotting it. but i have a ready solution for this problem too, and im persuaded it's complete.
BingoBoingo: "Screen Shot 2016-08-30 at 8.29.25 PM
BingoBoingo: Twenty percent of the respondents declined to pick either of the two leaders in the poll of 1,397 likely voters, which was concluded Aug .29. "
ben_vulpes: i leave you with http://pasted.io/ : web 3.0 meets vaporwave 2.0
ben_vulpes: hoooeee
mod6: <+hanbot> hey mod6 99994 test worked flawlessly for me tonight. also, my testbox seems healthy again, available for further whatevers. << hey! good deal, thanks for giving it a shot :]
trinque: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/homeland-eyes-special-declaration-to-take-charge-of-elections/article/2600592 << usg needs moar systemd!
mircea_popescu: $key Robespierre_
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:89/to:89#89 << oh it did that ?! i had nfi lol, i just hacked urls.
mircea_popescu: and what ~precisely~ do you mean with this "slashes are not for separating parameters" trinque ? like what, directories exist objectively ? no more trilema/year/name ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nothing to do with l2. i am a man of simple solutiona yes ; i am not a man of copy/pasting holy nonsense, no.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:95/to:95#95 << i love that lone red rhombus best. he so perfectly typifies the insane idiocy of "venture capital" backed "entrepreneur" culture in silly cons valley.
mircea_popescu: " Even before the FBI identified new cyber attacks on two separate state election boards, the Department of Homeland Security began considering declaring the election a "critical infrastructure," giving it the same control over security it has over Wall Street and and the electric power grid." << consider the preposterousness embedded in here. really bitch, you have control over wallstreet ?
mircea_popescu: trinque why does deedbot take so darn long ?
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: regarding the latter point, i'm not sure about the anchor pointing to the last line in the range. i considered it, but if i give someone a link to a chunk of lines, makes sense for them to start reading from the top, no? however, best is probably to have small jump buttons/links to be able to jump to beginning/end of range. <- so i'll do that.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah, yeah, you're supposed to click around, otherwise it surely is too tedious!
mircea_popescu: i like it just fine actually.
mircea_popescu: right click on start line and if i want to make it a range i just edit a value.
mircea_popescu: more generally Framedragger , nevermind the swamp of little shepainting bullshit, little buttons or whatever. first get the line reading bot going ; and the search.
mircea_popescu: shedpainting*
Framedragger: (i suppose it's better than the new web nonsense where "awesome devbro javascript" retains some info that is not part of the actual url, so you can't change shit and depend on the shitty js interface for navigating around..)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yep, those are priorities. mkay
mircea_popescu: yes. the usg.web war on the url for the past decades has been nothing short of indicative. imbeciles are so butthurt about individual control, they can't fucking stand urls. gotta hide them! gotta destroy functionality! god fucking forbid the user is at some point in control of anything!
mircea_popescu: "it'd be too confusing"
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:95/to:95#95 << i'll leave you with the observation that of the two people i named to chair the bitcoin foundation years ago, one's been doing a lot of work and the other's been doing a lot of hurr. on the continuum between mod6 and pete_d you're ever sliding towards the end opposite to what i'd imagine you're aiming for, and at some point it'll become a matter of, "well, if he hasn't fi
mircea_popescu: gured out what works and what doesn't in lo all these many years, he never is figuring it out."
mircea_popescu: $up holgerkpedersen
deedbot: holgerkpedersen voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: right.
shinohai: gm mircea_popescu yes it seems there were 2 new Eulora ppl contacted me on bitcointalk overnight, but saw one made it here in logs.
mircea_popescu: heya. the robespierre guy ?
shinohai: There was a guy named ImHash and another using tardstalk handle `VladimirLenin`
shinohai: The ImHash guy had the most atrocious spelling and grammar of any potential recruit I've met thus far.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i think a lot of non-english speaking folk are reading that.
mircea_popescu: $up mexxer
deedbot: mexxer voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Takes all kinds.
shinohai: I guess
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mexxer: Hola
mircea_popescu: how goes mexxer
mexxer: So following a post in bitcointalk.org and generated my GPG, How do I register it with IRC?"Sorry but I am a little new to this kind of things"
shinohai: Windblowze or linux mexxer
mexxer: Windblowze 1024 key
mircea_popescu: uh.
shinohai: ok, now just register key with deedbot by typing: $register <your gpg fingerprint>
shinohai: well lol
mircea_popescu: he prolly tried to paste it in.
shinohai: $upo mexxer
shinohai: $up mexxer
deedbot: mexxer voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: mexxer: ok, now just register key with deedbot by typing: $register <your gpg fingerprint>
mircea_popescu: da fuck is he doing.
mircea_popescu: $up VAodminnTer
deedbot: VAodminnTer voiced for 30 minutes.
VAodminnTer: Hi, Can I generate my PGP using this site? https://pgpkeygen.com/
mircea_popescu: no.
VAodminnTer: what program can I use?
mircea_popescu: if you're on windows, there's gpg2me
VAodminnTer: Thanks! will do
mircea_popescu: it's free and all.
shinohai: Logged 07:22 +VAodminnTer Hi, Can I generate my PGP using this site? https://pgpkeygen.com/ <<< foflmao
shinohai: *roflmao
mircea_popescu: the advantages of this approach. we find out things about the internets.
shinohai: sorry. please ignore my morth and continue.
shinohai: *mirth
mircea_popescu: $up sellbtctraderz
deedbot: sellbtctraderz voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/b46591b3-2fe5-4f08-9c60-92d8b9bd89a6/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: $deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/f0bcc036-283d-4d1b-95e3-0dce4d912104/?raw=true
deedbot: accepted: 1
deedbot: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: $key shinohai
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/958ef28a-f83e-4c32-b0cf-314b494093c2/
mircea_popescu: trinque hmm, turns out it's not slow - just silent if no key found. can has an "not found" thing plox ?
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 that key is my correct one, I did switch pre-split from #b-a
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: shinohai: "you will have to go into the IRC channel #eulora on Freenode - use https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema" << did you mean https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/eulora ?
shinohai: No
shinohai: deedbot is *here*
Framedragger: ah. well ok. i would get confused :p
shinohai: lol
Framedragger: prolly not worth them 0.01btc then :p
Framedragger: "please sir
Framedragger:  i am not understand for this share" good stuff
shinohai: I guess it is for noobs ... I just get amusement from watching all this.
shinohai: And the inevitable "imma be rich" Filipinos that answer.
Framedragger: purhcasing power differential mothafucka
shinohai: hahaha
Framedragger: i suppose
Framedragger: whoops wrong window, sorry for spam, i am not understand
mircea_popescu: it's a complicated problem. world is world, forum is forum. wut do ?
shinohai: Maybe forum *is* the world heh?
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude, a large part of what i like about #trilema is that it doesn't consist of above examples.
asciilifeform: ^
shinohai: lol
mircea_popescu: it's just... kinda easy to forget just how many layers there are in "sexually unattractive" in practice.
shinohai goes back and treads Trilema article on Rabbi teaching torah to the ewe.
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-427662.txt
shinohai: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 427670 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 1737 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 571.17, vol: 3892.35313070 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 576.101, vol: 6424.04856 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 575.4, vol: 2849.57571373 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 572.71, vol: 3938.57938954 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 575.171352, vol: 60891.86780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 575.9, vol: 493.16155842 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 574.32, vol: 1055.18472391 | OKCoin BTCUSD last: 576.042606, vol: (1 more message)
diana_coman: $key Robespierre_
BingoBoingo: ;;more shinohai
gribble: 394991.236 | Volume-weighted last average: 575.85613344
shinohai: Gotta have tht OKCoin volume
asciilifeform: https://ico.iconomi.net << hot! nyooo! ethertronic chumpatron: 'ICONOMI provides an opportunity for investors looking for high profits, not possible in the old economy. With newly developed financial instruments, ICONOMI will drive new investors and fresh capital into decentralised economy.'
asciilifeform: 'Cutting edge security. No need to deal with complicated crypto-wallets or be afraid of losing your assets forever because you can’t find your private keys. We employ state-of-the-art security technology for you, with the storage of fiat and digital assets embedded into an Ethereum contract!'
shinohai: `cutting-edge security` not seen in any other game of hot potato EVAH!
asciilifeform: 'To me, coding languages are aesthetic works. I am fond of protocols. My free time consists of purposeless walks and golf.' -- Tjasa Tolj. MARKETING ASSISTANT
BingoBoingo: He calls them "and golf"
asciilifeform: he?
shinohai: Is his life just one purposeless walk to? Or is there a plan?
shinohai: *too
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Zhe?
asciilifeform: i have nfi, but pictured item dun look like a dude
BingoBoingo: Haven't looked, but why does it write like a cetain dude broken at conception?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lel, apparently ol' kako knows some of these folks, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2016#1454709 ☝︎
mod6: shinohai: ah, ok great. just wanted to make sure.
shinohai: thx! ^.^
diana_coman: $key AllKindsOfBad
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/d894c087-62f6-4d00-9c6b-7811430df415/
diana_coman: $key Robespierre_
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/7cf6f6e4-86b1-453c-9196-cb17700cb8f6/
mircea_popescu: nice.
asciilifeform lelling over ancient mircea_popescu piece, where 'Putin este ceva intre obraznic si periculos, si intre noi fie vorba o tinta excelenta pentru un micut si elegant asasinat politic executat de unul dintre cele cite mai sunt, douazeci de servicii secrete romanesti.'
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: and hey, usg dos reads trilema, that was the year they tried to 'colourize' moscow
mircea_popescu: everybody reads trilema, including the local tards. i can spot them, too, i go to a cafe or w/e, there's this dude in a corner being all weird in the specific manner.
asciilifeform: (which, one might suppose, also counter-reads trilema and it bounced right off..)
asciilifeform: l0l! what's this look like ?
mircea_popescu: you know, "omg i'm not looking looking" thing
mod6: :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever chat'em up ?
mircea_popescu: well actually maybe you don't know, wtf do i know. but anyway, there's a very peculiar thing people/kids do when the inconceivable happens ; like joe di maggio walks into dunkin donuts
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform occasionally, when tits bolted on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik typical cowman filters out 'inconceivable' stimuli. 'oh that's nuffin, that's a dude who ~looks like~ obummer'
asciilifeform: 'rifle? what rifle, that was a balloon pop'
trinque: mircea_popescu │ you know, "omg i'm not looking looking" thing << afraid to look directly into the trilema, eh?
trinque: and yep, gonna add some response mesages to herr deedbot
mircea_popescu: well, especially when i take my head off, place it on the table, and feed it icecream on the shorter path
asciilifeform falls down
mircea_popescu: :D
asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu walking up to seekrit skvirrel and giving 'the stare', like felix dzerzhinsky supposedly did
mircea_popescu: to quote, "oh no, i wouldn't do THAT. *pause* there MAY have been some instances... in THE PAST! but that's all ancient history now."
asciilifeform: https://youtu.be/T9SeOrGni9s?t=31m00s << specifically the fictionalized zherzhinsky pictured here.
asciilifeform: *dzerzhinsky
mircea_popescu: zher zhinsky!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup, guy's got a pretty good stare going.
asciilifeform: legendary.
mircea_popescu: lol this "purposeless walks and golf" bit is pretty shiny. deliberate parody ?
asciilifeform: was my thought. but, seeing the rest - probably as real as it gets.
mircea_popescu: nuts.
mircea_popescu: i think ima save this though. "purposeless walks and golf". nb.
asciilifeform: 'As you might have noticed, I'm surrounded by guys, all of whom are enthusiastic about new technologies. They have managed to successfully transfer their excitement to me and have contaminated me with the same urge to discover the numerous possibilities that the crypto world has to offer.' << also great.
mircea_popescu: such goldmine. "baby, just the tip!" applied to enthusiasms etc.
asciilifeform: contaminated with urge !
mircea_popescu: to courge. to contaminate with scourge oops i mean.
mircea_popescu: btw, since i mentioned http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:36/to:36#36 : it is directly evident why it's such a big deal for elliot kid. leaving aside all the insane preposterous nonsense worthy of a tucker max / wolf of wallstreet / suicide kings production : there's one sex scene, in which this kid (totally whitebread, goes to school and does his homework 15yo with no tattoos) is kidnapped by a bunch of derps, and then
mircea_popescu: some models who in practice hang out with them (this almost never happens, even in california) lure/force him into a pool. it's not exactly ~against~ his wishes ; it's irrespective of them, which is the point - males, esp young, esp virgin, are very fucking shy, and i dunno that this even exists, act of male devirgination which is not out and out "rape" by the female. certainly not at a sane age for it (such as 15).
mircea_popescu: but once is not enough : once in the pool, they blindfold him, and then the one twu wuv girl lures him over by whispering "polo" long after he's stoped saying "marco", which, again, is the point.
mircea_popescu: elliot is right in figuring that he'd have perhaps functioned normally, or at least had a better chance at it, in this sort of context.
mircea_popescu: and yes the world is ~so~ cruel : the better have it easier, and the crappier have it harder. because the world is not interested, to any degree, in survival of the everyone.
mircea_popescu: it aims for the survival of the fittest and him only.
asciilifeform: brick would also fly 'better' attached to jet booster
asciilifeform: but who will attach it, and why..?
mircea_popescu: which is exactly brick's point.
mircea_popescu: it IS unfair, and it is also deeply antiequalitarian that the better kid of their year get free jet engine ; while the crummier kids get ankle weights.
mircea_popescu: it happens to be exactly how it works, too, but hey.
asciilifeform: where's the 'better' though ?
mircea_popescu: in this case, amusingly enough, it's blood ties.
asciilifeform: fortune is by definition random, neh ?
mircea_popescu: the kid in the pool was there because of his family relations.
mircea_popescu: fortune is by definition random when playing the powerball : you'll get half your money on average.
mircea_popescu: fortune is deeply not random when discussing girls. joe rapes rachel and as a result rachel is tankful and joe has a new slave. moe tries to talk to sarah and is forced to waste 30 hours doing "sensitivity training"
asciilifeform: same fortune as in powerball, only diff is that the respective tickets were bought by joe and moe's parents
mircea_popescu: ironically, from this perspective the decision to drive to arizona to play lottery is even judicious. better odds than trying to play the pool party, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not so.
mircea_popescu: if i believed my kids were going to be anything like me i'd even consider having some.
asciilifeform: i did say 'same powerball'
asciilifeform: rather than 'choose parents carefully'
mircea_popescu: what do you mean, explicitly ?
asciilifeform: well, joe is a hero, and moe is a zero, and this quite likely was apparent to a skilled eye when both just learned to walk, neh ?
mircea_popescu: zeros are apparent.
mircea_popescu: it's a field of "zero. likely zero. zero zero likely-meh. zero. zero zero zero. zero zero zero. zero zero zero. zero zero zero. zero zero zero. zero zero "
mircea_popescu: you know, actually a lot like how google go "brain" looks.
mircea_popescu: large field of zeros.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so you have confidence in your ability to shape slavegurl into whatever form you please, then why not chitlin ? surely starting earlier has its advantages
mircea_popescu: i have no such confidence. some girls are extremely good at shaping themselves into an extremely sharp tool in the right sort of context ; and the result is by very far much sharper than anything ever produced naturally, or through alternative means.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: iirc he doesn't lift random scum off the street to work on.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it does not work for most women ; and i never tried nor would i be bothered to try on children.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: sure, but nor is fleisch und blut 'random scum off the street'
asciilifeform: ~=.
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, i see the point to a certain degree, the street in practice DOES select, for the worst. but i think he just meant "crapshot" rather than proper, street scum.
pete_dushenski sees that he's going to be defending biology now, it's so sure it's the wisest against two such opponents
mircea_popescu: problem is biology has no intention of defending you. reversal to the mean is the controlling phenomenon there.
asciilifeform: al 'uncle al' schwartz's father, for instance, was - iirc - a tailor, who never read a book cover to cover in his entire life.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu has it.
mircea_popescu: if we are to learn anything from the history of the 2nd millennium, is that marrying performance and lineage is suicidal. so fucking costly a stupidity, in fact, as to sink monarchy, ie, the most perfect form of social organisation possible.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: granted, but sultan had whatever 200 pups, a couple were fit for higher life, so why not mp, sultan of tmsr ? too many castles needed to house them ?
mircea_popescu: the model creates a very bloodthirsty litter.
pete_dushenski: that'd be the point i imagine
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying it is impossible. i'm just saying it's a pretty distant bridge.
mircea_popescu: it would ?
pete_dushenski: create tension, conflict, and competition in the brood, let winrar emerge therefrom
pete_dushenski: have two kids ? god help the spoiled brats
mircea_popescu: and who's gonna write the poems ? women only ? literature by females results in the collapse of the empire.
pete_dushenski: i mean, look at me!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: winrar can write poems just fine. samurai seemed to at any rate
mircea_popescu: actually matching the japanese gender split of literary production and japanese political situation over time is bound to be shockingly instructive.
pete_dushenski: besides, what's life without a little risk, a little 'crapshot' now and again.
pete_dushenski: maybe child is crapshot too far, but it's a matter of degrees
mircea_popescu: maybe.
asciilifeform: 'hey come and play powerball with me, i haven't won yet but TOGETHER YES WE CAN!1111'
pete_dushenski is prolly ex post rationalising, but how not.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: less powerball and more poker world series
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not exactly powerball though.
asciilifeform: closer to the, e.g., state of maryland powerless ball, sure.
mircea_popescu: simple criterion : you can not guarantee you will never get the number 7. you can guarantee you will not have mulatto kid.
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, the reverse is impossible : black people ever so often end up with entirely white kid, because slavery.)
asciilifeform: modern americans seem to have caught up with the reverse.
mircea_popescu: howdja mean ?
asciilifeform: with horns, how else.
mircea_popescu: huh ?
asciilifeform: 'say hello to our new mulatto kid' horned husband: '...'
mircea_popescu: oh lol
mircea_popescu: not quite what i had in mind for a couple model here :p
asciilifeform: at any rate, this is 'red herring.' nobody's insured against having kid who can't grasp recursion, or even do addition, etc.
asciilifeform: or elliots.
mircea_popescu: but you do have more control over the matter than over entropy source.
mircea_popescu: so not exactly red herring.
asciilifeform: the degree of control, so small as to rightfully count as 'homeopathic.'
mircea_popescu: also there's a major problem with abstract criteria. i for instance don't grasp recursion.
asciilifeform: somehow i knew that mircea_popescu could not resist pulling such rabbit out of his hat.
mircea_popescu: tis true!
mircea_popescu: recursion is hard, man.
asciilifeform: lel this is the man who drew fractals by hand
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: THERE IS A LOT OF IT
asciilifeform: (or did i dream about reading a trilema with this)
asciilifeform does regularly read trilema in dreams, and wakes up and futilely searches for 'the one where he used piss as a lasing medium...' etc)
mircea_popescu: i count self as perhaps middling student of recursion, as a soon to be 40yo. there's a lot to it, what do you want from me.
mircea_popescu: lol asciilifeform you should prolly write those articles.
mircea_popescu: i dream most of mine as it is.
asciilifeform: eh it is different when you do things and then dream article about them, vs when you dream things and then dream article.
asciilifeform: i prefer not to add cheap xerocopies of xerocopies to the world, enough of these as it is.
mircea_popescu: the difference is in the dream!
asciilifeform: though i did see a bizarre crackpot altcoin in dream last night
mircea_popescu: anyway, this xerocopy argument, while at first convincing, readily recurses into a restatement of the children argument above ; but it is flawed because, as granma wittily observed, "cartile nu cer demincare" ; ie books need not be fed.
asciilifeform: all i recall is that it had discrete (nondivisible!) coins, 1 per addr, and mined strictly by 'vanitying' the addrs into existence.
mircea_popescu: iirc we discussed this in the logs. recall, the no-splittable coins ?
asciilifeform: possibly?
mircea_popescu: until the coinbase halves, you can only use 50 btc ; then 25 and 12.5 etc. ☟︎
pete_dushenski recalls this thread, goes to dig
asciilifeform: ah no, not this. just 'when you discover an addr, which is not easy to do, it comes with 1 coin. which you can then send by ....'
mircea_popescu: was part of a larger discussion cca 2015ish of the problem of unboundness in bitcoin. even as it stands currently - you can end up with 2100000000000000 discrete items to keep track of ? really ?
mircea_popescu is too lazy to dig up the trilema piece holding exact figure (no, it's not this, a little lower)
asciilifeform: eh that's sorta like 'using gold means 10^50 atoms in sea water to keep track of'
mircea_popescu: how you figure ?
asciilifeform: coin that is fragged beyond a certain point, is ~lost.
mircea_popescu: why ?
asciilifeform: for the reason stated earlier.
mircea_popescu: consider for a second here : the year is i nthe future, the world is numerous planets, a single satoshi is worth trillions in today's money. literally, enough to buy a larger town.
asciilifeform: 'too many items, O(N)'
mircea_popescu: most txn will be satoshi-sized then.
mircea_popescu: and the cavallier "oh, we'll just introduce subdivisions" nonsense pushed by the prb folk utterly fails to consider the implications
mircea_popescu: just as every other "expert" opinion they ever came up with to date.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/11/down-to-the-last-satoshi-now-with-bonus-poem/ << lol i even levitan'd it
mircea_popescu: o hey. it was 2015. nice find pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski doesn't want to appear ~too~ useful, lest ben_vulpes become overly attracted to this end of the continuum
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: poor ben_vulpes , iirc he never even had time to run the rng i gave him during c3
asciilifeform: probably busy washing shit off light bulbs.
mircea_popescu: no, today has been the day of giving nice fellows a hard time, let him suffer.
asciilifeform: re suffer, aha, i've been reading motherfucking microshit docs all day.
asciilifeform: for sins in past life.
mircea_popescu: aaand i'll bbs
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: if only your father had died in kaunas parachuting like he was supposed to, you'd be free of such burdens. alas.
asciilifeform: somethinglikethat
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu colour me thick, but i still dun get why 'oh noez there'll be 2100000000000000 potentially-movable satoshis.' everybody still gets to sit down in 1MB block. so tx-ing will be eventually like what launching satellite to orbit is today - had better be worth the cost. but will still work quite the same.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: so today there's what, 10,001 derps per minute who 'just want to' but cannot, and aren't worth even a bullet.
asciilifeform: and tomorrow there will be 10,000,001. what of this.
asciilifeform: the ~actual~ terminal instability in the thing is that the folks who eat the cost of disk (nodes) are not the folks who get tx fees (miners).
asciilifeform: ~this~ crack ~will~ eventually fissure.
asciilifeform: long before any other 'too manies'.
asciilifeform: but iirc mircea_popescu already has good piece re subj.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/31/death-to-procurement-professionals/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Death to “Procurement Professionals”
pete_dushenski to shop for new bathroom vanities
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Just shop for lumber and stone slabs. Teach the tot carpentry. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: apparently whatever derp developed >bitaps.com chose the wrong PR strategy and their block explorer et al are now instaspam'd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at the time part of the discussion was "making larger blocks".
mircea_popescu: moreover, the important point is, "where are the true large edges of this item".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well yes.
asciilifeform: and the disk cost thing is one leg of what old mircea_popescu article called, iirc, 'responsibility collapse triangle'
mircea_popescu: anyway, not like the problem isn't both well understood and well solved.
mircea_popescu: we eventually migrate to sane bitcoin and that's that.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/once-darling-theranos-takes-a-beating-on-zika-test/ << Qntra - Once Darling Theranos Takes A Beating On Zika Test
mircea_popescu: and in other monkey news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwy2nsFP5W1r7efkjo1_500.gif
asciilifeform: lel what's she wearing ?
asciilifeform: does that thing have a name ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's a garter belt.
shinohai: It's a pearl necklace asciilifeform :D
mircea_popescu: no that's when you ejaculate on her collarbone.
shinohai: Just give her a few minutes ...
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/introducing-the-negro-mate/ << Trilema - Introducing the Negro Mate